Trayvon Martin

[Bocefish]

You're still ignoring the question. WHY DID A STATE ATTORNEY GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND DRIVE 50 MILES TO STOP A NOBODY FROM BEING ARRESTED?!

I also never said the arresting officer was taking a shot in the dark. He felt he had cause to arrest; someone who was NOT there during the arrest vetoed his decision. This happens...but rarely in the middle of the night.

I dunno why he did or even if he did. Ask Him.

Feeling you have cause to arrest and going by the facts and circumstances at the time are 2 different things. That's why law enforcement officers rely on actual lawyers sometimes.

It wasn't a case of "relying on a lawyer;" it was a case of a state attorney OVERRULING the decision of a peace officer.

Why do you think the officer was going on "feelings" alone? How do you know the facts he went on were not sufficient?

LOL, you're the one that said

He felt he had cause to arrest

 

[Bocefish]

BTW, I'm not a Zimmerman fan. I don't know if he's guilty of breaking the law or not. I'm not jumping on the band wagon and assuming he's guilty, big difference.

 

[Nordling]

While the story behind Trayvon Martin's shooting death continues to grab headlines, interest in the case is sharply divided along partisan and racial lines, according to a new study by Pew Research Center.
Far more Republicans (56%) than Democrats (25%) say there has been too much coverage of Martin's death, according to Pew, which surveyed a "nationally representative sample of 1,000 adults" last Thursday through Sunday about top new stories.
In addition, 43% of whites said the story has garnered too much coverage, compared with just 16% of blacks, Pew said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?iref=allsearch

Yeah, I could have guessed the results of such a survey a couple weeks ago. Too bad a survey wasn't taken the same day this story hit the news. I've noticed that Democrats and people on the left have been fairly consistent, while folks on the right began with a sense of sadness at an unnecessary death to a harder point of view as the right wing media coalesced into "re-portraying" both the victim and the assailant.

 

[Nordling]

BTW, I'm not a Zimmerman fan. I don't know if he's guilty of breaking the law or not. I'm not jumping on the band wagon and assuming he's guilty, big difference.

Could have fooled me. Your recent posts tend to be "Zimmerman favorable."

Few people are saying he's guilty; most reasonable people are simply saying he should be arrested and tried. Let the court decide.

 

[BustyJules]

I am a zimmerman defender and my mother was murdered back in 2005. My mother was sitting inside her house, 2 guys were outside, one stood as a lookout and the other guy went into my mother's house, put a .22 up to her temple and shot her in the head. They caught the shooter that very night, had his bloody clothes and gun and he got 10 fucking years in prison. No wait, He actually got 7 but got another 3 years for gun specifications for previously shooting an elderly man in the head.

He got involuntary manslaughter due to a plea bargain that NOBODY informed us of until we heard it in court that day. After I gave my victim impact statement and begged the judge not to give him so little time (I was 16), the judge rolled his eyes at me and as I exited the court room, the murderer was sitting on the bench with the other jailers waiting to be transported back across the street. He looked at me and said "You know your mom fucking deserved it right, bitch".

Don't tell me about lack of justice, I've experienced it first hand. Nobody marched for my mom, nobody protested the courts, nobody gave a shit. So I'll be damned if I'm gonna boohoo over some 17 year old that was shot after he attacked the man. There are more innocent people killed every day and nobody gives a flying fuck about them.

I am sorry to hear about your mom's murder, but what does that have to do with Trayvon? Trayvon isn't at fault for what happened to your mom.....

No and I'm not saying he is. All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck. So as cold hearted as it sounds, I don't really care about some dude in Florida who was shot while he was attacking the dude in the first place.

 

[Jupiter551]

No and I'm not saying he is. All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck. So as cold hearted as it sounds, I don't really care about some dude in Florida who was shot while he was attacking the dude in the first place.

He was allegedly attacking, the only facts we know is that Zimmerman pursued him, shot and killed him - which is why an investigation is important.

If you've had people close to you shot and killed, despite the fact no one marched for them, I would think you would support thorough investigation and eventual justice (whichever way it decides) because high profile cases like this can potentially change laws or bring public scrutiny on areas of the law that need attention.

 

[Nordling]

I am a zimmerman defender and my mother was murdered back in 2005. My mother was sitting inside her house, 2 guys were outside, one stood as a lookout and the other guy went into my mother's house, put a .22 up to her temple and shot her in the head. They caught the shooter that very night, had his bloody clothes and gun and he got 10 fucking years in prison. No wait, He actually got 7 but got another 3 years for gun specifications for previously shooting an elderly man in the head.

He got involuntary manslaughter due to a plea bargain that NOBODY informed us of until we heard it in court that day. After I gave my victim impact statement and begged the judge not to give him so little time (I was 16), the judge rolled his eyes at me and as I exited the court room, the murderer was sitting on the bench with the other jailers waiting to be transported back across the street. He looked at me and said "You know your mom fucking deserved it right, bitch".

Don't tell me about lack of justice, I've experienced it first hand. Nobody marched for my mom, nobody protested the courts, nobody gave a shit. So I'll be damned if I'm gonna boohoo over some 17 year old that was shot after he attacked the man. There are more innocent people killed every day and nobody gives a flying fuck about them.

I am sorry to hear about your mom's murder, but what does that have to do with Trayvon? Trayvon isn't at fault for what happened to your mom.....

No and I'm not saying he is. All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck. So as cold hearted as it sounds, I don't really care about some dude in Florida who was shot while he was attacking the dude in the first place.

Understood, but why do you assume the shooter is telling the truth?

 

[Bocefish]

BTW, I'm not a Zimmerman fan. I don't know if he's guilty of breaking the law or not. I'm not jumping on the band wagon and assuming he's guilty, big difference.

Could have fooled me. Your recent posts tend to be "Zimmerman favorable."

Few people are saying he's guilty; most reasonable people are simply saying he should be arrested and tried. Let the court decide.

It's easy to be fooled when you jump to conclusions. :-D

If there is enough evidence, the ongoing investigation will hopefully find it and he will be arrested. Sound familiar?

 

[Nordling]

BTW, I'm not a Zimmerman fan. I don't know if he's guilty of breaking the law or not. I'm not jumping on the band wagon and assuming he's guilty, big difference.

Could have fooled me. Your recent posts tend to be "Zimmerman favorable."

Few people are saying he's guilty; most reasonable people are simply saying he should be arrested and tried. Let the court decide.

It's easy to be fooled when you jump to conclusions. :-D

If there is enough evidence, the ongoing investigation will hopefully find it and he will be arrested. Sound familiar?

And as I've said, you do seem to be at least attempting to be honest in this discussion. Want to make sure you stay that way. lol

 

[Jupiter551]

Some of you may have seen this, I find it interesting because an eyewitness says the two were scuffling on grass (not concrete), and that directly after the shooting, the shooter was walking around and didn't visibly appear hurt, though the witness could see him well enough to describe him as a hispanic male and that he looked worried.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?iref=obinsite

The witness said the shots were audible as one man was on top of the other. But the witness recalled not having been able to see clearly which man was on top because it was dark.
Within a couple of seconds after the shots, one of the men "was walking toward where I was watching, and I could see him a little bit clearer. Could see that it was a Hispanic man. He didn't appear hurt or anything else."
But the man, who by now had left the grass and was walking on the sidewalk, did seem worried, "with his hand up to his forehead," the witness said. "Now, a couple of seconds later, in the dark, you see that person that's alive walk away; you know, obviously, OK, he must've got up and he walked away, where the other person is still laying there, face down."
The person who was walking away did not appear hurt, said the witness, who has told police of the incident. "You're thinking, wow, I'm looking at the person that just shot someone," the witness said.

 

[BustyJules]

No and I'm not saying he is. All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck. So as cold hearted as it sounds, I don't really care about some dude in Florida who was shot while he was attacking the dude in the first place.

He was allegedly attacking, the only facts we know is that Zimmerman pursued him, shot and killed him - which is why an investigation is important.

If you've had people close to you shot and killed, despite the fact no one marched for them, I would think you would support thorough investigation and eventual justice (whichever way it decides) because high profile cases like this can potentially change laws or bring public scrutiny on areas of the law that need attention.

No, because the only reason this is even in the news is because the race card was pulled. What about the white couple in Knoxville? What about the Iowa state fair and "beat whitey day"? What about Justin Barker (I'm sure nobody even knows who he is, he is the VICTIM in the Jena six case)?

Then we have black on black crime, you don't hear about these cases either.

Once again NOBODY cares. The only time people in this country give a shit is when a crime is portrayed as a hate crime and we all know that hate crimes can ONLY be white against black, right? I do care about changing the justice system but for EVERYONE.

 

[BustyJules]

I am a zimmerman defender and my mother was murdered back in 2005. My mother was sitting inside her house, 2 guys were outside, one stood as a lookout and the other guy went into my mother's house, put a .22 up to her temple and shot her in the head. They caught the shooter that very night, had his bloody clothes and gun and he got 10 fucking years in prison. No wait, He actually got 7 but got another 3 years for gun specifications for previously shooting an elderly man in the head.

He got involuntary manslaughter due to a plea bargain that NOBODY informed us of until we heard it in court that day. After I gave my victim impact statement and begged the judge not to give him so little time (I was 16), the judge rolled his eyes at me and as I exited the court room, the murderer was sitting on the bench with the other jailers waiting to be transported back across the street. He looked at me and said "You know your mom fucking deserved it right, bitch".

Don't tell me about lack of justice, I've experienced it first hand. Nobody marched for my mom, nobody protested the courts, nobody gave a shit. So I'll be damned if I'm gonna boohoo over some 17 year old that was shot after he attacked the man. There are more innocent people killed every day and nobody gives a flying fuck about them.

I am sorry to hear about your mom's murder, but what does that have to do with Trayvon? Trayvon isn't at fault for what happened to your mom.....

No and I'm not saying he is. All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck. So as cold hearted as it sounds, I don't really care about some dude in Florida who was shot while he was attacking the dude in the first place.

Understood, but why do you assume the shooter is telling the truth?

Why do you assume he isn't?

 

[Shaun__]

No, because the only reason this is even in the news is because the race card was pulled. What about the white couple in Knoxville? What about the Iowa state fair and "beat whitey day"? What about Justin Barker (I'm sure nobody even knows who he is, he is the VICTIM in the Jena six case)?

Then we have black on black crime, you don't hear about these cases either.

Once again NOBODY cares. The only time people in this country give a shit is when a crime is portrayed as a hate crime and we all know that hate crimes can ONLY be white against black, right? I do care about changing the justice system but for EVERYONE.

I care. I care that you lost those people close to you. I care about Trayvon. I care about my grandfather. Never believe that nobody cares, or give up hope that things can get better. It takes time and hard work, but the future is only limited by the sacrifices you are unwilling to make.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I can't help but keep replaying in my mind everyone in Florida taking advantage of the stand your ground law by shouting "He's coming right for us!" a la southpark before taking out their guns and shooting whomever. Self defense. bingo bango bongo.

 

[Nordling]

I am a zimmerman defender and my mother was murdered back in 2005. My mother was sitting inside her house, 2 guys were outside, one stood as a lookout and the other guy went into my mother's house, put a .22 up to her temple and shot her in the head. They caught the shooter that very night, had his bloody clothes and gun and he got 10 fucking years in prison. No wait, He actually got 7 but got another 3 years for gun specifications for previously shooting an elderly man in the head.

He got involuntary manslaughter due to a plea bargain that NOBODY informed us of until we heard it in court that day. After I gave my victim impact statement and begged the judge not to give him so little time (I was 16), the judge rolled his eyes at me and as I exited the court room, the murderer was sitting on the bench with the other jailers waiting to be transported back across the street. He looked at me and said "You know your mom fucking deserved it right, bitch".

Don't tell me about lack of justice, I've experienced it first hand. Nobody marched for my mom, nobody protested the courts, nobody gave a shit. So I'll be damned if I'm gonna boohoo over some 17 year old that was shot after he attacked the man. There are more innocent people killed every day and nobody gives a flying fuck about them.

I am sorry to hear about your mom's murder, but what does that have to do with Trayvon? Trayvon isn't at fault for what happened to your mom.....

No and I'm not saying he is. All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck. So as cold hearted as it sounds, I don't really care about some dude in Florida who was shot while he was attacking the dude in the first place.

Understood, but why do you assume the shooter is telling the truth?

Why do you assume he isn't?

I'm not. But I do know that if the shooter had followed the dispatcher's suggestions, no one would be dead. All things being equal, I tend to sympathise with dead people more than folks walking around. If all the facts eventually show that the dead person, a 17-year old kid with no police record carrying candy home, suddenly snapped and decided to stalk a stranger in the dark and then assault him, THEN I will defend the killer.

 

[Anonymous]

Then we have black on black crime, you don't hear about these cases either.

I don't know what news channel you watch, but I hear about black-on-black Baltimore City crime all the time. Sometimes I have to turn off the damn t.v. because that shit is depressing. I really don't like watching the news, other than to get weather updates and updates on school closings.

I remember when my high school teacher made a comment about Baltimore City's homicide rate being worse than New York City's.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck.

With all due respect... why do you stay there?
There are thousands of very pleasant and peaceful places in the US to live. Pick one and go maybe?

I was in Baltimore once for about a week, I'll never go back. Ever.

 

[Anonymous]

I was in Baltimore once for about a week, I'll never go back. Ever.

Exactly. It's a shitty place.

I have to go to some facility called Kennedy Krieger in the near future, and I heard it's in the real shitty part of B-more. Definitely NOT looking forward to that.

 

[BustyJules]

All I'm saying is that my mom and at least 6 of my close friends have been murdered, People get shot and killed where I live all the time and nobody marches for them, they don't get justice and frankly nobody gives a fuck.

With all due respect... why do you stay there?
There are thousands of very pleasant and peaceful places in the US to live. Pick one and go maybe?

I was in Baltimore once for about a week, I'll never go back. Ever.

My honest answer? I'd leave in a freakin heartbeat however I have a 4 year old daughter and instead of an easier custody situation, she has supervised visits every Sunday for 4 hours with her sperm donor. To me it would be kind of pointless to move away and have to either drive or fly her here for 4 hours a week.

 

[BustyJules]

Then we have black on black crime, you don't hear about these cases either.

I don't know what news channel you watch, but I hear about black-on-black Baltimore City crime all the time. Sometimes I have to turn off the damn t.v. because that shit is depressing. I really don't like watching the news, other than to get weather updates and updates on school closings.

I remember when my high school teacher made a comment about Baltimore City's homicide rate being worse than New York City's.

I live in Youngstown, Oh.... When there's a murder here it makes the news for maybe 5 seconds "So and so was shot and killed, Now on to the weather!"

 

[sweetiebatman]

Gun crime seems the accepted norm in the US, it baffles me that people would rather debate these laws that have been bourne out of the lack of gun control, such as this unbelievable "stand your ground" law rather than the real issue that any idiot can own a gun and they are freely available at Walmart

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case, and its a massively contentious issue, in my humble opinion deadly force should only be sanctioned for use by trained officers, not anyone who perceives threat, its asking for trouble and protecting these fools on either side is quite frankly absurd

The real question is, What price the right to bear arms? and has it a place in a civilized society?

 

[BustyJules]

Gun crime seems the accepted norm in the US, it baffles me that people would rather debate these laws that have been bourne out of the lack of gun control, such as this unbelievable "stand your ground" law rather than the real issue that any idiot can own a gun and they are freely available at Walmart

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case, and its a massively contentious issue, in my humble opinion deadly force should only be sanctioned for use by trained officers, not anyone who perceives threat, its asking for trouble and protecting these fools on either side is quite frankly absurd

The real question is, What price the right to bear arms? and has it a place in a civilized society?

Most guns crimes are NOT committed by people who legally carry them. And what guns does your walmart have??? I have to go to the gun store where I live.

 

[sweetiebatman]

Gun crime seems the accepted norm in the US, it baffles me that people would rather debate these laws that have been bourne out of the lack of gun control, such as this unbelievable "stand your ground" law rather than the real issue that any idiot can own a gun and they are freely available at Walmart

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case, and its a massively contentious issue, in my humble opinion deadly force should only be sanctioned for use by trained officers, not anyone who perceives threat, its asking for trouble and protecting these fools on either side is quite frankly absurd

The real question is, What price the right to bear arms? and has it a place in a civilized society?

Most guns crimes are NOT committed by people who legally carry them. And what guns does your walmart have??? I have to go to the gun store where I live.

If i produced a gun on the streets of England, I would be shot by marksmen, no pissing around with wether or not i had a licence or i had the right to "stand my ground"

Let those trained deal with these things

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Apparently if we lost the right to bare arms. bear arms? bare bear arms? If we couldn't own a gun, crime would skyrocket a 1000% and every one that doesn't own a gun now deserves to get held up and mugged and has no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Jupiter551]

Apparently if we lost the right to bare arms. bear arms? bare bear arms? If we couldn't own a gun, crime would skyrocket a 1000% and every one that doesn't own a gun now deserves to get held up and mugged and has no one to blame but themselves.

yup, people would be mugged with scissors, and banks held up at swordpoint

 

[SweepTheLeg]

that'd be kind of awesome

 

[sweetiebatman]

One day the US will realize, despite my spelling :lol:

 

[sweetiebatman]

Apparently if we lost the right to bare arms. bear arms? bare bear arms? If we couldn't own a gun, crime would skyrocket a 1000% and every one that doesn't own a gun now deserves to get held up and mugged and has no one to blame but themselves.

Wow, the US is one of the Gun crime capitals of the world, up there wit Honduras and other such 2nd world countries, The right to bear arms is archaic and has no place in the 1st world, Control works

 

[SoTxBob]

MmmmmBB me likey shiny sharp blades. Used to be pretty good at swordplay back when. :-D

:whdat: :violence-duel:

 

[Bocefish]

Blaming guns for crime is like blaming forks and spoons for Rosie O'Donnell and Michael Moore being obese. Nobody is making anyone own one if they're not comfortable with it.