The state of mind of pervs on MFC...

[Mork]

I was able to spend some time on MFC yesterday. I visited many rooms that were below the 5-6 top rows where scamsocres were running ~2100 and below. It was not very encouraging. Many rooms were populated but had little interaction. The girls tried to talk or do whatever to get some action going... it was more often than not, the room 'anchor guy' that was the only one that would even reply. There was the typical 'hey baby you're fine looking' and complimentary stuff, but damn few tips. Found 3 last night that were crying, not studio girls, 1 that was not going to be able to pay rent this next month. Saw one girl that was doing her best sexy dancing and play to attempt to get something, any reaction from the room of 75ish. A good 2+ dozen were indeed premiums... crickets. No reaction. They wouldn't even talk to her. I talked to her a bit and she was easy to have a conversation with. Very nice person it seems. [Yes , I did tip her ...]
The most teling thing tho came from a premium in a room.. he gave me the 'benefit of his wisdom'... "why did you tip her? She makes more in a week that any of us do in a month wages. Dont be a fool and give away your money here." I called him on his BS and was told again how foolish I was that even models with Cs in the 400's make 'a lot of money per week'.
Seriously, where do these idiots get their info.?
Any douche bag can see the token worth on the wiki. Any douche should be able to understand tokens, bad cs, no tips in the room. doesn't equate to cash flow.... and don't try to validate his impression with some kind of multiple site defense. I know most of the girls I visited. Only 2 of them are not MFC exclusive girls.
WTH is wrong with guys on site ?
Someone should write a book about the fall of MFC.

 

[AmberCutie]

"Dont be a fool and give away your money here." I called him on his BS and was told again how foolish I was that even models with Cs in the 400's make 'a lot of money per week'.
Seriously, where do these idiots get their info.?
Any douche bag can see the token worth on the wiki. Any douche should be able to understand tokens, bad cs, no tips in the room. doesn't equate to cash flow.... and don't try to validate his impression with some kind of multiple site defense. I know most of the girls I visited. Only 2 of them are not MFC exclusive girls.

Regardless of if a girl is in the top 5 and making multiple thousands a month or on the 2nd-3rd page of camscores, they all deserve to be paid for the shows and attention and entertainment they give. There are many entertainers out there that make millions, but people still pay to go see them do a live performance, right? Do the people with that lounge-mentality think that since their favorite singer or comedian makes more money than they do, that they should get to go sit in the front row of their shows for free? I think not.

 

[Just_mark__]

I don't disagree on any particular point but I torrent music/films but pay to see local bands because the local bands need my money.

The public show ladies know they will get more audience than tippers or they'd go the group/private route.

 

[alexa7]

You have to remember that a lot of the money that we make on mfc goes right back into our shows. For a lot of us being on cam simply is not just showing up. A lot of us are mom's. Child care is not free, super fast internet is expensive, high electric bills because of lighting, just to name a few. I never come on cam with out my appearance being what I think people expect out of me. You like the sexy outfit I have on? My mfc earnings paid for it, It takes money to make money. Guys think that we live better than them, so we should just show up and pretty much pay to be there? The lack of appreciation I've been feeling there is starting to get to me. Example, I had a countdown a reg pretty much tipped the whole thing, out of 300 people in my room no one would tip the rest of the 80 tokens. There is only so much we can do as far as getting guys tipping and being active in the room. Its really starting to wear on us, and makes it a lot less fun.

 

[Jupiter551]

You all make good points but really let's not bandy about phrases like "the fall of MFC".

*Some girls are making a fortune, some are making a good living, and a lot more are barely scraping by.

*Many premiums are assholes, they're also cheap motherfuckers and 99% of the time 1% of the premiums tip 99% of the tokens.

*Models complain that it's slow.

Now are any of these conditions unfamiliar to any of you from the past? Because I can't remember a time when MFC wasn't like that. Models will ALWAYS complain that it's slow because for some, it is, at any given time and when it's not slow they generally zip it because as has been noted before - too much success can have a negative effect. Premiums are always going to be cheap - kindly remind me of the times when MFC was a land of milk and honey with rows of token trees, branches drooping with their fat golden fruit...

None of this makes any of your points or complaints any less valid, but let's at least not act like these are new things. Also, admit that there ARE models making big money on MFC - it may not be you, it may not be the models you think deserve it, but there are models making BANK.

go sit in the front row of their shows for free? I think not.

If I'm in the front row of a GinnyPotter show remind me to bring my earplugs and a rain slicker :lol:

 

[Bocefish]

99% of the time 1% of the premiums tip 99% of the tokens.

Maybe you should organize an occupy Leo's street protest.

None of this makes any of your points or complaints any less valid, but let's at least not act like these are new things.

There's always been up and down cycles on MFC, but what I've been seeing lately is a lasting, perhaps permanent lull in the down cycle across the board. Maybe it's due to a total over saturation of the market with new cam sites and models competing or the ease of normally paying peeps to find public shows happening at any given moment. More likely, it's a combination of everything. I dunno for sure, but this is definitely a new phase from what I've noticed.

 

[Jupiter551]

But are the totals needed for Miss MFC dropping? Or rising?

 

[Bocefish]

But are the totals needed for Miss MFC dropping? Or rising?

Good question, I was wondering the same thing.

 

[AmberCutie]

I don't disagree on any particular point but I torrent music/films but pay to see local bands because the local bands need my money.

So if one of the more worldwide known bands that you really enjoy came to perform in your town, would you just refrain from going, or would you whine and complain about the price and go tell other people in line to buy their way in show that they're dumb for doing so?

Just trying to reinforce my analogy here. Members shouldn't be tipping models just because they think they "need your money", they should be tipping models that they enjoy in one way or another, be it shows, companionship, attention, etc. Whether they "need it" doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with if they "deserve it." I think that's a common misconception among many people.

You all make good points but really let's not bandy about phrases like "the fall of MFC".

*Some girls are making a fortune, some are making a good living, and a lot more are barely scraping by.

*Many premiums are assholes, they're also cheap motherfuckers and 99% of the time 1% of the premiums tip 99% of the tokens.

*Models complain that it's slow.

Now are any of these conditions unfamiliar to any of you from the past? Because I can't remember a time when MFC wasn't like that. Models will ALWAYS complain that it's slow because for some, it is, at any given time and when it's not slow they generally zip it because as has been noted before - too much success can have a negative effect. Premiums are always going to be cheap - kindly remind me of the times when MFC was a land of milk and honey with rows of token trees, branches drooping with their fat golden fruit...

None of this makes any of your points or complaints any less valid, but let's at least not act like these are new things. Also, admit that there ARE models making big money on MFC - it may not be you, it may not be the models you think deserve it, but there are models making BANK.

go sit in the front row of their shows for free? I think not.

If I'm in the front row of a GinnyPotter show remind me to bring my earplugs and a rain slicker :lol:

This is not the "fall of MFC", no way no how. It's just going through its seasons and adapting to the new numbers it's bringing in. Some people are so quick to yell "fire!" but it's not burning to the ground at the moment.

Also, any seat on MFC is essentially a front row seat.

 

[AmberCutie]

But are the totals needed for Miss MFC dropping? Or rising?

Good question, I was wondering the same thing.

I'll see if I can get an idea of this. Hopefully next month I'll get a first hand look.

 

[SoTxBob]

You all make good points but really let's not bandy about phrases like "the fall of MFC".
*Some girls are making a fortune, some are making a good living, and a lot more are barely scraping by.
*Many premiums are assholes, they're also cheap motherfuckers and 99% of the time 1% of the premiums tip 99% of the tokens.
*Models complain that it's slow.
Now are any of these conditions unfamiliar to any of you from the past? Because I can't remember a time when MFC wasn't like that. Models will ALWAYS complain that it's slow because for some, it is, at any given time and when it's not slow they generally zip it because as has been noted before - too much success can have a negative effect. Premiums are always going to be cheap - kindly remind me of the times when MFC was a land of milk and honey with rows of token trees, branches drooping with their fat golden fruit...

None of this makes any of your points or complaints any less valid, but let's at least not act like these are new things. Also, admit that there ARE models making big money on MFC - it may not be you, it may not be the models you think deserve it, but there are models making BANK.

I've been wandering the pages of MFC since mid '09. While true all of these conditions have existed in the past, I see a very different mindset and token flow now. MFC seems to have a more hostile air to it now. Roving bands of trolls instead of the random few if you will... :lol:
Yes, there were always ebbs and flows for it, seasonal as well as other factors. It never lasted nor was it as so deeply felt. The one thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the sheer numbers of girls online now. So many yellow tags every day and for awhile last year, there were literally what seemed like a hundred a day or more, for an extended time. That in itself had to dilute the token pool. If I recall, that's about the same time I saw my first 'never pay for sex' mfc advert which is so pervasive now.
Sure, members are cheap to an extent. Generous ones and penny pinchers, just like real life away from here. Now however it seems that instead of a double digit percentage of them in a decent sized room contributing it's, as has been pointed out, 1 or 2 tipping for the whole thing IF the topic is even completed. I don't think any of this is meant to convey that there's no money to be made here. Quite the contrary. If a girl is fortunate enough to have her 'loyal band of merry men' and be a top half of the page girl, they hell yes, the bank is there. Whats more noticeable, at least to me, is the widening gap between the successful 'acquisition' of tokens and the girls wondering where the next bill payment will come from.
Like in real life away from MFC.. The rich get richer and the poor get evicted. :confusion-shrug:


PS; Amber. Is there any way you can get overall numbers for total girls and members ?

 

[AmberCutie]

The one thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the sheer numbers of girls online now. So many yellow tags every day and for awhile last year, there were literally what seemed like a hundred a day or more, for an extended time. That in itself had to dilute the token pool.

Hay now, I posted that like twice recently! More models = less tokens to be spread out = many models feeling slower token income.

PS; Amber. Is there any way you can get overall numbers for total girls and members ?

Um... no? All I'll be able to tell you, after next month (hoping that I actually finish somewhere in or around top 20) is if the total tokens needed to finish in top 20 have changed much.

 

[bodisha]

Well, it's the lounge so i don't know what anyone would expect... Except I think this is a topic about extremes... Due to the anonymity of the internet it's easy (and more importantly safe) to be an asshole in an environment like the lounge... I personally suspect a place like the lounge tends to loan itself to a type of "group think"... studies have been done about "group think" that have shown the intelligence of a large group, as a whole, will lower to the dumbest person in the room... mostly because there is a desire not to rock the boat, or appear different... And those people that do either rock the boat, or have a dissenting opinion from the group are persecuted.. essentially it's a "mob rules" sort of mentality

Guys that would normally be respectful, and polite to a someone in person could easily lose themselves to a misogynistic attitude because they don't want to rock the boat ... I suspect most of these "masters of the universe", tough guy, big shots would probably mellow out a lot if they were standing in front of a woman... Let alone simply in a models room without the support of the mob to backup their attitude... I mean I've seen guys act like total dicks in one models room because they can get away with it, and then turn into a gentle pussy cat in a different room because a different model would never stand for their bullshit

Now on the opposite end of the spectrum, in my opinion, are the models that treat the guys on MFC like an ATM... and feel they are either entitled to everything in a members bank account... and I suspect view it as a game to separate a member from their money... or feel they bare no responsibility to how much a member tips... I've seen models that encouraged members to tip until their banks account were completely drained... and then had no more use for the member once the tipping stopped... Which I don't think helps to get rid of the attitudes some of these asshole members have

I had an experience a few months ago with a model I thought was pretty cool & who's room I frequented for about 5 months... She only worked on MFC once or twice a week but towards the end of that 5 months started having financial problems and after crying to me for a couple weeks about her money problems... came straight out asked me to send her cash... Not just tip her but send her cash... After that I found any attraction to her gone and stopped going into her room... A week or so ago she PM'ed me, asking why I don't go into her room any more... Which lead into her saying she felt it was unfair I don't tip her anymore... Which I responded to by telling her she had a fucked up attitude towards MY money... While I found the overall experience to be pretty distasteful, it certainly is not typical of my experience of MFC models

Now with that thought... I also witnessed something this afternoon (Which is part of why I'm posting this) that I rarely see a model do... Which is to tell a member to STOP tipping because he was very generous... I rarely use models names on ACF but I frequent TJHearts room... And this afternoon someone, who's screen name I forget, was painting her wall yellow... And while she was obviously happy to be getting tipped... several times while it was happening, she told him to stop and he had given her enough... Which certainly helps make it easy for me to justify tipping her myself... TJ is on a very short list of my favorite girls on MFC... not just because she's attractive, cool and has an awesome sense of humor... But because she's an extremely classy person.... My point with this is I've never seen any sort of entitlement attitude towards the members tokens out of her... Like demand tokens or get bitchy because members weren't tipping... And for those times a troll works his way into her room... She quickly, and quietly bans him and moves on... All of which I think goes a long way towards a lack of drama in her room and the fact I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about her

Anyway, it's late & I'm tired & this post has grown larger than I meant it too... So to bottom line it... I think there are extreme members & models that help promote stereotypes on both sides... And not much can be done to change that... But in the middle of all of this are the normal, respectful members that are here to kill some time & have some fun... And normal, respectful models that are here to have fun and make some money... I think the best thing to for everyone, is to move past the dead weight as quickly as possible... For the models that's to ban the assholes & trolls as quickly as possible... and for the members to not to frequent the rooms of models that are solely interested in their wallets

 

[Jupiter551]

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[BoltEyeAm]

You have to remember that a lot of the money that we make on mfc goes right back into our shows. For a lot of us being on cam simply is not just showing up. A lot of us are mom's. Child care is not free, super fast internet is expensive, high electric bills because of lighting, just to name a few. I never come on cam with out my appearance being what I think people expect out of me. You like the sexy outfit I have on? My mfc earnings paid for it, It takes money to make money. Guys think that we live better than them, so we should just show up and pretty much pay to be there? The lack of appreciation I've been feeling there is starting to get to me. Example, I had a countdown a reg pretty much tipped the whole thing, out of 300 people in my room no one would tip the rest of the 80 tokens. There is only so much we can do as far as getting guys tipping and being active in the room. Its really starting to wear on us, and makes it a lot less fun.

I think your points are stressing the exact opposite of what you want. To be blunt, I don't care what a models expenses are. I don't care if a model has to take care of her children, and has to eat. I certainly don't care about a models profit margin. When I spend money then I look to spend money on things I enjoy. If I wish to be charitable I will donate to the salvation army or some other cause that can help many more people that are in greater need.

It is discussions like this that always get me down-voted on reddit. I do not believe your financial situation increases how much money you deserve to make. In general (not just for camming) I feel it is important to earn your money by providing something unique and valuable. I don't believe anyone can get far in life or make a comfortable living for yourself by providing nothing but pity to others.

Amber put it very well with her analogies. Tipping is for entertainment not for charity.

I don't disagree on any particular point but I torrent music/films but pay to see local bands because the local bands need my money.

The public show ladies know they will get more audience than tippers or they'd go the group/private route.

I doubt this is true. I'm willing to bet that you pay to see the local bands because they require an entrance fee. Perhaps knowing that they are not millionaires helps you decide not to sneak in though the back door. However you shouldn't pretend you pay for it because they need your money, If the entertainment value wasn't a factor at all then then you might as well throw your money at whoever is the saddest looking person walking down the street assuming they need your money more than you do.

 

[Loslonelyboy]

demanding trolls looking for free boobies are everywhere

WeThey sure are

Last night a guy demanded to see my pussy, so I said tip.. I checked to see his tokens, which I rarely do, but I noticed he had two tokens so I said. If you tip me ALL TWO of your tokens I will show you my pussy. The whole room was all. "cough em up man, that's such a great deal!" Eventually the guy just left! He'd rather keep his TWO tokens than use them for the cheapest pussy he would EVER find on mfc. Sad day.

Damn it! All I needed to get was 2 tokens? Quick.....somebody transfer me 2 tokens!

 

[AmberCutie]

You have to remember that a lot of the money that we make on mfc goes right back into our shows. For a lot of us being on cam simply is not just showing up. A lot of us are mom's. Child care is not free, super fast internet is expensive, high electric bills because of lighting, just to name a few. I never come on cam with out my appearance being what I think people expect out of me. You like the sexy outfit I have on? My mfc earnings paid for it, It takes money to make money. Guys think that we live better than them, so we should just show up and pretty much pay to be there? The lack of appreciation I've been feeling there is starting to get to me. Example, I had a countdown a reg pretty much tipped the whole thing, out of 300 people in my room no one would tip the rest of the 80 tokens. There is only so much we can do as far as getting guys tipping and being active in the room. Its really starting to wear on us, and makes it a lot less fun.

I think your points are stressing the exact opposite of what you want. To be blunt, I don't care what a models expenses are. I don't care if a model has to take care of her children, and has to eat. I certainly don't care about a models profit margin. When I spend money then I look to spend money on things I enjoy. If I wish to be charitable I will donate to the salvation army or some other cause that can help many more people that are in greater need.

I don't necessarily think she was posting this for pity's sake... so many times (and it's noted in other threads here at ACF) people assume that the money we make camming is all excess fun money to go buy lavish goodies such as circus animals and diamonds and mansions. I know pointing out that we have bills and mouths to feed isn't a good way to get in good graces and make more money, but sometimes it is a nice reminder that we're ordinary people.

I suppose that's why it's a good thing we don't take so-and-so's (can't remember who it was) requests to call tips for countdowns "donations" because none of us want to seem like a charity case. The bottom line is, if people are enjoying us, and are entertained by us, we want them to show it by tipping when they can. And if they can't afford to tip at the time, shit talking others who DO tip is not ok.

 

[Just_mark__]

You have to remember that a lot of the money that we make on mfc goes right back into our shows. For a lot of us being on cam simply is not just showing up. A lot of us are mom's. Child care is not free, super fast internet is expensive, high electric bills because of lighting, just to name a few. I never come on cam with out my appearance being what I think people expect out of me. You like the sexy outfit I have on? My mfc earnings paid for it, It takes money to make money. Guys think that we live better than them, so we should just show up and pretty much pay to be there? The lack of appreciation I've been feeling there is starting to get to me. Example, I had a countdown a reg pretty much tipped the whole thing, out of 300 people in my room no one would tip the rest of the 80 tokens. There is only so much we can do as far as getting guys tipping and being active in the room. Its really starting to wear on us, and makes it a lot less fun.

I think your points are stressing the exact opposite of what you want. To be blunt, I don't care what a models expenses are. I don't care if a model has to take care of her children, and has to eat. I certainly don't care about a models profit margin. When I spend money then I look to spend money on things I enjoy. If I wish to be charitable I will donate to the salvation army or some other cause that can help many more people that are in greater need.

It is discussions like this that always get me down-voted on reddit. I do not believe your financial situation increases how much money you deserve to make. In general (not just for camming) I feel it is important to earn your money by providing something unique and valuable. I don't believe anyone can get far in life or make a comfortable living for yourself by providing nothing but pity to others.

Amber put it very well with her analogies. Tipping is for entertainment not for charity.

I don't disagree on any particular point but I torrent music/films but pay to see local bands because the local bands need my money.

The public show ladies know they will get more audience than tippers or they'd go the group/private route.

I doubt this is true. I'm willing to bet that you pay to see the local bands because they require an entrance fee. Perhaps knowing that they are not millionaires helps you decide not to sneak in though the back door. However you shouldn't pretend you pay for it because they need your money, If the entertainment value wasn't a factor at all then then you might as well throw your money at whoever is the saddest looking person walking down the street assuming they need your money more than you do.

It's not so much about the money. But the big bands I like couldn't give a shit about me or whether I buy their stuff or not.
And they tend to charge a price I don't think is worth it for a live gig.
Local gigs that charge an entrance fee is neither here nor there, if you are there to support 1 particular band you say that on the door and they get a cut but a lot goes to the promoter of the night not the bands. That's just money for entrance.
The bands then perform and if you like them then you go ask them if they have any stuff for sale. Most have an album or EP and you get the genuine thanks for enjoying/buying their music.

There's definitely a selfish element to it ofc, it feels good to be thanked and, getting back on track, I think that's a mentality that works with tipping. I prefer if the model recognise me in the room. I can't afford to drop the big tips so my 10-50 tip would be swallowed up in a 3000 token countdown with possibly a thank you but forgotten quickly.

 

[alexa7]

The point of my previous post is that I, like a lot of other models put a lot into what we do. I am not in anyway stating that I am a charity case. I feel that if I am showing you a good evening, or afternoon there is no reason that you shouldn't show your appreciation by speaking or tipping. What I said was completely picked apart and taken out of context. I was merely trying to show that I do care about what I do and do feel that it requires effort, which I put in. I don't expect to show up and just be tipped. I wish that sometimes some of the guys who want to complain could see what its like, then maybe they would have a better understanding.

 

[BoltEyeAm]

I don't necessarily think she was posting this for pity's sake... so many times (and it's noted in other threads here at ACF) people assume that the money we make camming is all excess fun money to go buy lavish goodies such as circus animals and diamonds and mansions. I know pointing out that we have bills and mouths to feed isn't a good way to get in good graces and make more money, but sometimes it is a nice reminder that we're ordinary people.

I suppose that's why it's a good thing we don't take so-and-so's (can't remember who it was) requests to call tips for countdowns "donations" because none of us want to seem like a charity case. The bottom line is, if people are enjoying us, and are entertained by us, we want them to show it by tipping when they can. And if they can't afford to tip at the time, shit talking others who DO tip is not ok.

I agree :-D

It is kind of silly to think a cam model doesn't have her own life to live. And there is really no arguing with someone who doesn't understand that that. It is like the saying goes, "If you try to argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their own level and beat you with experiance". I'm certainly not calling alexa or anyone else here an idiot but I suppose this is the mentality that cam models have to deal with so frequently and thus end up needing to remind people that they too have bills to pay just like the rest of us. There is a lot of shit that a cam girl has to deal with I know I couldn't handle it. Their job is far from sitting on the couch naked and smiling all day.

What I said was completely picked apart and taken out of context. I was merely trying to show that I do care about what I do and do feel that it requires effort, which I put in.

My apologies, I tend to use the slippery slope technique without realizing it sometimes. I ended up editing the post down to take out a bunch of pronouns and thoughts that were way out there and unrelated. So I guess that is good.

 

[SirenSong]

I was able to spend some time on MFC yesterday. I visited many rooms that were below the 5-6 top rows where scamsocres were running ~2100 and below. It was not very encouraging. Many rooms were populated but had little interaction. The girls tried to talk or do whatever to get some action going... it was more often than not, the room 'anchor guy' that was the only one that would even reply. There was the typical 'hey baby you're fine looking' and complimentary stuff, but damn few tips. Found 3 last night that were crying, not studio girls, 1 that was not going to be able to pay rent this next month. Saw one girl that was doing her best sexy dancing and play to attempt to get something, any reaction from the room of 75ish. A good 2+ dozen were indeed premiums... crickets. No reaction. They wouldn't even talk to her. I talked to her a bit and she was easy to have a conversation with. Very nice person it seems. [Yes , I did tip her ...]
The most teling thing tho came from a premium in a room.. he gave me the 'benefit of his wisdom'... "why did you tip her? She makes more in a week that any of us do in a month wages. Dont be a fool and give away your money here." I called him on his BS and was told again how foolish I was that even models with Cs in the 400's make 'a lot of money per week'.
Seriously, where do these idiots get their info.?
Any douche bag can see the token worth on the wiki. Any douche should be able to understand tokens, bad cs, no tips in the room. doesn't equate to cash flow.... and don't try to validate his impression with some kind of multiple site defense. I know most of the girls I visited. Only 2 of them are not MFC exclusive girls.
WTH is wrong with guys on site ?
Someone should write a book about the fall of MFC.

This is sadly neither new nor unusual. I have just been back on MFC after a few months break and it seems much worse than when I last used the site at Christmas last year. From what I could see, 2011 started to show that there were problems about August/September time... recovery after the holiday period was over seemed to be sluggish... very patchy. After the summer, regulars appeared to have dropped off the dial in many rooms and the numbers of basics/guests seemed to have increased without a corresponding increase in tipping premiums. That indicated a slow, gradual decline in tippers over the last quarter of 2011.

Now as we hit March 2012 I am sad to see it has got even worse... and attitudes towards tipping are hardening. Many rooms I know of which used to have great atmosphere and banter are being reduced to a noisy cacophony of abuse and demands from guys who do not contribute either decent conversation or tips. Too many basics and too few tipping premiums seem to be the issue... the balance between the two has been lost. Chatting at the weekend to some members showed that most do not tip in public show any more, but several say they will opt for group or private shows only and avoid visiting the rooms overrun with basics. That means that instead of tips being spread more evenly around they will be concentrated on a core of girls and others will most certainly suffer.

Things cannot continue as they are. Try to run a train company or an airline where only 1 user in a hundred buys a ticket and it will go bust quickly. On paper the idea that both guests and basics are future premiums [and by default future tippers] is massively flawed if they found their way to the site under the premise that the whole deal is free. Sure its called MyFreeCams... but I think many foolishly believe it also means MyFreePussy, MyFreeAss and MyFreeBoobs. The attitude that they bring with them to the site means that they intend NEVER to pay. Some do hand over $19.99 and purchase the starter token pack, but it stops there. The advertising said it was all free... why should they pay more?

Changes are required as things ARE bad on MFC... maybe not yet to the extent that MFC is falling, but at the moment it is stumbling very badly. Without any changes being made soon it is only a matter of time before the giant will fall.

 

[lolalaurent]

Whats more noticeable, at least to me, is the widening gap between the successful 'acquisition' of tokens and the girls wondering where the next bill payment will come from.
Like in real life away from MFC.. The rich get richer and the poor get evicted.
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I feel like this, i'm barely making any money at all and i watch the top 10 rake in thousands, and i wonder how i can move up; the ones at the top will always be seen first, so will be clicked on, and people will watch etc, where as if youre on page 3 no one comes in your room, you never get tipped, so you shrivel up and die.

How do we break this cycle? I cant get people in my room

 

[Jupiter551]

Things cannot continue as they are. Try to run a train company or an airline where only 1 user in a hundred buys a ticket and it will go bust quickly. On paper the idea that both guests and basics are future premiums [and by default future tippers] is massively flawed if they found their way to the site under the premise that the whole deal is free. Sure its called MyFreeCams... but I think many foolishly believe it also means MyFreePussy, MyFreeAss and MyFreeBoobs. The attitude that they bring with them to the site means that they intend NEVER to pay. Some do hand over $19.99 and purchase the starter token pack, but it stops there. The advertising said it was all free... why should they pay more?

Changes are required as things ARE bad on MFC... maybe not yet to the extent that MFC is falling, but at the moment it is stumbling very badly. Without any changes being made soon it is only a matter of time before the giant will fall.

I know what you mean, and I tend to agree to some extent, but it could be argued that what makes MFC different to other sites and what has made them able to give girls more earning potential (emphasis on potential), is the sheer volume of traffic generated by its free guest and basic policy.

Where I think it fails in this regard is that a) it doesn't account for public shows (which are against the rules but probably a fact of life) and b) the lack of some kind of "countdown room" whereby tippers and regulars can watch a show without it being either group or completely public.

Regardless of what the feature is, MFC has needed a feature to take control of public shows and confine them so that the site continues to work as the models and members want, while giving incentive to guests and basics to go that extra mile and sign up.

I believe failure to adapt and take into account such a large part of what happens, and how revenue is generated on MFC, has given rise to an obnoxious, self-entitled, freeloading underclass.

 

[Vanessa Jade]

Whats more noticeable, at least to me, is the widening gap between the successful 'acquisition' of tokens and the girls wondering where the next bill payment will come from.
Like in real life away from MFC.. The rich get richer and the poor get evicted.
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I feel like this, i'm barely making any money at all and i watch the top 10 rake in thousands, and i wonder how i can move up; the ones at the top will always be seen first, so will be clicked on, and people will watch etc, where as if youre on page 3 no one comes in your room, you never get tipped, so you shrivel up and die.

How do we break this cycle? I cant get people in my room

I'm in the same boat. No clue what to do to break the cycle since every time I log in I talk to an empty room for an hour or two and then log off 25 tokens "richer" with my cam-score even further down the toilet. So I basically stopped logging in. :|

 

[Mork]

:confusion-shrug: I guess I should make notations with posts that denote tongue in cheek remarks..
It seems my comment: Someone should write a book about the fall of MFC, was taken at literal value and as a serious remark. Com'on people, I understand the desire to be like a flock of crows and pick apart what you can, but JC... OF COURSE MFC WONT FAIL... at least probably not while any of us are still around. I have heard many members saying how they are 'logging' various random incidents for "the book of MFC" they want to write and the comment was my tongue in cheek reference to that about all that seems to be changing. Guess you had to be there.
.....things change in the direction they are driven ..... :druid: Oh well.. life goes on.

 

[AmberCutie]

:confusion-shrug: I guess I should make notations with posts that denote tongue in cheek remarks..
It seems my comment: Someone should write a book about the fall of MFC, was taken at literal value and as a serious remark. Com'on people, I understand the desire to be like a flock of crows and pick apart what you can, but JC... OF COURSE MFC WONT FAIL... at least probably not while any of us are still around. I have heard many members saying how they are 'logging' various random incidents for "the book of MFC" they want to write and the comment was my tongue in cheek reference to that about all that seems to be changing. Guess you had to be there.
.....things change in the direction they are driven ..... :druid: Oh well.. life goes on.

There are tons of people who think they are camsite or mfc experts spouting the same words "the fall of mfc" and "the beginning of the end of mfc" and they seem to actually believe it.

 

[Jupiter551]

There are tons of people who think they are camsite or mfc experts spouting the same words "the fall of mfc" and "the beginning of the end of mfc" and they seem to actually believe it.

Yeah and, in some perverse way seem to act like they want it

 

[LadyLuna]

(really long post with lots of good points)
or feel they bare no responsibility to how much a member tips
(more of the post with a lot of good points)

Pretty much everything you said was awesome except this one statement. It's not my responsibility how much a member tips. I don't know how much is in his bank account, and I don't need to know that. He does. It's my responsibility to make sure I'm providing value for everything he does tip. (and I understand, this was said in the context of models who actually try to break the guy's bank, but it was disconnected enough that I thought others might take it as a thought of it's own.)

(deleted the bit from BoltEyeAm's post because it's already been picked to pieces and said better)

There are tons of people who think they are camsite or mfc experts spouting the same words "the fall of mfc" and "the beginning of the end of mfc" and they seem to actually believe it.

Yeah and, in some perverse way seem to act like they want it

It's like people saying "It's the end of the world!" What they mean is "the end of the world as we know it". Instead of the "fall of MFC", I'm waiting on the CHANGE of MFC.

 

[BoltEyeAm]

I don't understand this whole "Fall of MFC" crap people are discussing. The Issues in question by my understanding are. Perspective, Size, and Supply & Demand

First the Perspective. I can't help to think that everyone whining about the good-ol-days are simply users that are have grown bored or lost their initial excitement. You see this exact same thing happening with any group of people that fit into generations. Years ago I was helping my grandmother clean out her house and we came across a Life Magazine from the 70's It had a picture of some teenagers on the front with the title "What is wrong with today's youth". So the question I bring to you is; Is the current generation wrong, just different, or did it change at all?

Second issue is the Size of MFC. The hate on non-tippers on this site is frankly really annoying to me as if no one here realizes what MFC's popularity has to offer to the site. First off to address something, an increase of non-tippers does NOT decrease the amount of tippers. In fact it is pretty much a given that if you have a greater number of Non-Tippers the number of tippers will also be greater (statistically). It seems like people focus on the wrong thing too often in chat rooms. If you have one person in your room and that person is tipping then 100% of your room is tipping. If you have 20 people in your room and 10 are tipping you have 50% of your room is tipping. If you have 100 people in your 30 are tipping then you have 30% of your room tipping. But focusing on the percentage is incorrect, the number of tippers you have is now 30 times greater than it was when you had 100% tippers. Non-Tippers should be viewed as advertisements. If a bunch of people in your room watching your show tell their buddies about you then you will end up with a lot more people not tipping and yet again a few more tippers. People who complain about the number of non-tippers want reap the benefits of popularity without exposing themselves to it.

I also don't expect MFC to have bandwidth with issues as the number of non-tippers grows. As the need for more bandwidth grows the expense per user decreases. This simple truth allows for a shift of the ratio of tippers to non-tippers towards the non-tippers without effecting overall profits.

Lastly there is the issue of Supply and Demand when relating to Models vs Members. If the number of members increases then becoming a model becomes more lucrative. If the number of models is really high compared to the members then the models will slowly quit as they no longer find it worthwhile. However the driving force in this equation is the number of people coming to the site, which is pretty well taken care of by the catering to it being free.

Instead of the "fall of MFC", I'm waiting on the CHANGE of MFC.

Exactly This:
A business like MFC will not fail because of what they do unless they do something epicly stupid. MFC will fail because of how they won't change. Think of MFC as a video rental store. Video rental stores have long been on a decline with no chance of coming back as they become dominated by better alternatives such as Streaming, On-Demand, Red box, ect. So a company like Movie Gallery begins to fail because they did not innovate to keep up with the changing needs of their customers. MFC, very clearly being a technology based business must provide not only what members want but what they don't even know they want. In addition I've seen the exact same statements made about gaming communities over the span of just a few years.

 

[BoltEyeAm]

Things cannot continue as they are. Try to run a train company or an airline where only 1 user in a hundred buys a ticket and it will go bust quickly. On paper the idea that both guests and basics are future premiums [and by default future tippers] is massively flawed if they found their way to the site under the premise that the whole deal is free. Sure its called MyFreeCams... but I think many foolishly believe it also means MyFreePussy, MyFreeAss and MyFreeBoobs. The attitude that they bring with them to the site means that they intend NEVER to pay. Some do hand over $19.99 and purchase the starter token pack, but it stops there. The advertising said it was all free... why should they pay more?

I'll leave this here
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