The BanHammer

[KrabbyPatty]

A couple funny yet crazy experiences the past week. I suppose I was a bit naïve to the attitudes about banning members. I read over a couple of threads on this forum on the subject and it was eye opening and actually off putting to be honest. How freely some girls would do it for absolutely no reason at all. I was aware some girls would do it for tips or just for kicks. But never thought it would happen to me. So every now and then I wouldn't be able to access a popular models room. I figured it was just the mfc glitch. So I go premium about a week or two ago because I wanted to buy a video. Bang the banhammer goes down on me twice in about a weeks time. The first girl had absolutely no idea why I had been banned when I pm'd her. She quickly took me off and all was good.

Now yesterday I was in a room. Left the computer got something to eat was playing a game on my laptop. I look back and see that I don't have permission to be in the room. I'm like okay great what now. So I mail her no pm's allowed this time. The response I got was truly eye opening and revolting.

Me : Why do you always block me?
Her : You don't tip =/ I block those who don't help out
Me : Explain why I can't tip and how messed up it was that I was being blocked
Her : lol this is my job. take it how you want
Me : Nice to know you have not lost your moral compass
Her : Oh stop

I had seen I was unblocked tonight. So I thought maybe she reevaluated her position and had some remorse for her actions. Not so much as I was banned again tonight. Half of me says so what. I can find 200 other hot blonde, big boobed, nice butt, tattooed girls on the site. The other part of me says why would she feel like she can treat people like this for no reason. I'm sure i'll get a lot of flack for this thread but I had to vent.

 

[AmberCutie]

I had seen I was unblocked tonight. So I thought maybe she reevaluated her position and had some remorse for her actions.

There are 6 hour bans and lifetime bans. The default is 6 hours, so when a model bans people for being "freeloaders" or "lurkers" that's likely all she'll do unless it's a chronic repeat freeloader. She didn't rethink anything (nor probably thought about you at all), it's just that the ban expired.

I'm not a huge fan of banning nontippers just for being in the room. I personally don't unless someone draws attention to themselves in an unfavorable way, but many models use this business tactic. It's their prerogative, and she wasn't wrong in saying it's her job. That behavior won't win over many, but if it works for her then so be it.

 

[swagger]

Pinknerds, I'm not a model, so I don't have to be super sweet or sugar coat this. You are in her room, by mailing her you are taking up her time, she's at work, therefore time=money. The reason why you can't tip isn't as important as that you are not tipping, and frankly freeloading with an excuse is the part that's "messed up." If you owned a bar and a person came in and sat at your bar and ordered complimentary water, day after day, and demanded as much attention as actual whiskey drinking patrons, wouldn't you kick them out eventually?

 

[Puffin]

I have been banned a few times, always for 6 hour and always on the last day of the month, when I was room hopping to see what tips are dropping. I understand why room helpers ban none regulars in such cases so it was no issue.

As guests cannot be banned, it's a reason not to be logged in sometimes.

 

[Puffin]

Pinknerds, I'm not a model, so I don't have to be super sweet or sugar coat this. You are in her room, by mailing her you are taking up her time, she's at work, therefore time=money. The reason why you can't tip isn't as important as that you are not tipping, and frankly freeloading with an excuse is the part that's "messed up." If you owned a bar and a person came in and sat at your bar and ordered complimentary water, day after day, and demanded as much attention as actual whiskey drinking patrons, wouldn't you kick them out eventually?

Excellent point.

 

[Gen]

Pinknerds, I'm not a model, so I don't have to be super sweet or sugar coat this. You are in her room, by mailing her you are taking up her time, she's at work, therefore time=money. The reason why you can't tip isn't as important as that you are not tipping, and frankly freeloading with an excuse is the part that's "messed up." If you owned a bar and a person came in and sat at your bar and ordered complimentary water, day after day, and demanded as much attention as actual whiskey drinking patrons, wouldn't you kick them out eventually?

I do think it's a bit different because a non-tipper isn't taking up physical space (if anything, you're upping her room count), and you can give them as much or as little attention as you want. If a model wants to give equal attention to non-tippers, thats her prerogative. And of course the hope is that they'll eventually tip!

I understand the frustration of seeing the same names every night, never tipping, especially if it's a slow room where you're really struggling to get tips. I've once or twice banned regular visitors who didn't tip (for over a month of viewing all of my shows), because seeing their names made me feel resentful and I figured I wasn't losing anything to ban them if it made me feel more happy. However - some girls focus so much on the non-tipping premiums when really basics and guests could be viewing you daily and you'd never notice. I think it's silly to expect so much more of the guys who *might* tip than the ones who don't have the capacity. But that's just me.

That said I also think girls should ban whoever they want whenever and I appreciate that MFC lets models do that. I don't think it means she's lost her moral compass, lol. It's not my style per se but if you don't want to get banned, perhaps a tip is a good idea

 

[KrabbyPatty]

Puffin that is a good idea if they feel like singling out and attacking innocent members.

Swagger if she hadn't of banned me I wouldn't have been mailing her. Chicken or the egg?

GenXoXo the frustration can go both ways. Like the 1000-2000 token topics for each article of clothing. I was not aware I showed up as a blue ball party. Or the girls who set ranking countdowns that you know are not going to be met 95% of the time. Like you are going to go up 10 spots in the rankings so you will tease us with no nudity lol. Being 100% honest I didn't go premium for so long because models block basic members chat. When they would block all of us just because one person acting a fool. She had been going after me as a basic over and over. So obviously she has some kind of hang up. A ban as a premium is not going to get tokens out of me. I don't know what type of person that would work on. Actually I expected a apology instead of that it's my job take it how you want bs. Her contradictions are funny as well. She posts don't bring drama to my room when she causes the drama. I'm not a counselor or your girlfriend. Want to be a friend and be treated like one just be a good person. Yet she is not a good person and attacks people for no reason.

 

[AerynShade]

Me : Why do you always block me?
Her : You don't tip =/ I block those who don't help out
Me : Explain why I can't tip and how messed up it was that I was being blocked

So you've been blocked by this model before.
And you 'can't' tip but think it's ok to pester the model? You realize you can buy like $2 worth of tokens, right? If you don't have $2 to pay for a model's services perhaps you shouldn't be bothering her.
Porn is a luxury, not a right.

ETA: MORALS DONT PAY THE BILLS.

 

[Gen]

She didn't attack you by banning you. Banning basics or banning individual members isn't an attack and it doesn't make her a bad person.

Why on earth would you have expected an apology from her? She banned you, which is usually an indication that she doesn't want to talk to you. She obviously did it intentionally (especially if she's done it multiple times) so why would she apologize for that...? Whether you feel it was right or wrong, it was her choice to do it. If it costs her money (from you or others), then that's her choice.

Move on, find new models to visit, stop taking MFC politics too seriously, and tip the ladies you like. Watching cams is supposed to be fun!

 

[KrabbyPatty]

AerynShade I was blocked as a basic so had no idea what was going on. It was also on a different device so I thought it was a lag issue. So when it happened on my laptop as a premium I sent a message asking why I got banned. I don't consider that pestering someone. Unless you feel like I don't have the right to ask someone a question.

 

[AerynShade]

AerynShade I was blocked as a basic so had no idea what was going on. It was also on a different device so I thought it was a lag issue. So when it happened on my laptop as a premium I sent a message asking why I got banned. I don't consider that pestering someone. Unless you feel like I don't have the right to ask someone a question.

You have the right to ask, when you tack it on as a tip note.

 

[KrabbyPatty]

You have the right to ask, when you tack it on as a tip note.

Yeah because that's the way it works. Attack innocent people to demand money. Sounds like extortion to me.

 

[AerynShade]

Yeah because that's the way it works. Attack innocent people to demand money. Sounds like extortion to me.

I don't think you understand how cam sites work if that's your take on the situation.

 

[JickyJuly]

Yeah because that's the way it works. Attack innocent people to demand money. Sounds like extortion to me.

 

[Nordling]

Classic entitlement issue. "I exist, therefore you must cater to me!"

 

[Entertainer33]

Yeah because that's the way it works. Attack innocent people to demand money. Sounds like extortion to me.

You must really hate stores with loitering rules.

 

[zippypinhead]

When I freeload, I just do it from the lounge.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Yeah because that's the way it works. Attack innocent people to demand money. Sounds like extortion to me.

Sir, you have an incorrect definition of extortion.

Now when she records your cam, and threatens to upload it to tube sites if you don't pay, then you might have a case...

 

[shylurkerdude]

I can see how a model might get upset if she sees the same guy in the room all the time and he never tips. Worse is if she can see his tokens and knows he is tipping else where. As a member I feel the same way, if I'm in a room I always tip in and I see the same names there all the time freeloading, I sorta resent that I'm paying for his free show

 

[Puffin]

As a member I feel the same way, if I'm in a room I always tip in and I see the same names there all the time freeloading, I sorta resent that I'm paying for his free show

Other members might be tipping ninja or anonymously, and even tipping on other account(lots of premiums have multiple accounts), so it's rare you can make such assumptions.
Models however will know whats up, so I rarely question there decision.

 

[Puffin]

Now yesterday I was in a room. Left the computer got something to eat was playing a game on my laptop. I look back and see that I don't have permission to be in the room. I'm like okay great what now. So I mail her no pm's allowed this time.

By your own admission, you where not engaged in the room. The model may of even asked for a response and got none from you. I can see why you got blocked.

 

[shylurkerdude]

Other members might be tipping ninja or anonymously, and even tipping on other account(lots of premiums have multiple accounts), so it's rare you can make such assumptions.
Models however will know whats up, so I rarely question there decision.

I'm talking about 2 rooms where I know the model well and we joke in PM as some of the same names arrive. If they are tipping the model it could only be anonymously, I never got any indication from the models that she is getting anon tips that might be them (Anon tips are rare in these rooms)
So I don't think it is that crazy of an assumption.

 

[Puffin]

I'm talking about 2 rooms where I know the model well and we joke in PM as some of the same names arrive. If they are tipping the model it could only be anonymously, I never got any indication from the models that she is getting anon tips that might be them (Anon tips are rare in these rooms)
So I don't think it is that crazy of an assumption.

Ok, good. I did say that it's rare you can make such assumptions, and seem your talk with the model does fit that exception. I didn't want people to get the idea, that all members not tipping are freeloaders as it can be a bit more complex then that.

 

[JickyJuly]

Ok, good. I did say that it's rare you can make such assumptions, and seem your talk with the model does fit that exception. I didn't want people to get the idea, that all members not tipping are freeloaders as it can be a bit more complex then that.

Can members see other member's points if they leave them showing? Most 0/20s don't bother to hide their "I just tipped once so I can be more special than the basics" status. That's an easy way for models to figure out who is an easy ban.

 

[DiscoStu47]

Ultimately, a model can run her room anyway she likes. She has to do what's best for her in terms of making money and keeping her room interesting. If you don't like how a model runs her room, don't go there. There are plenty of attractive, fun, engaging models that you can check out. And like a number of other people have commented before, if you know you're just hanging out and aren't going to tip or engage in the room in a meaningful way, you can always lurk from the lounge.

 

[shylurkerdude]

Can members see other member's points if they leave them showing? Most 0/20s don't bother to hide their "I just tipped once so I can be more special than the basics" status. That's an easy way for models to figure out who is an easy ban.

No members can't see other members points or tokens. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

 

[yummybrownfox]

Puffin that is a good idea if they feel like singling out and attacking innocent members.

Swagger if she hadn't of banned me I wouldn't have been mailing her. Chicken or the egg?

GenXoXo the frustration can go both ways. Like the 1000-2000 token topics for each article of clothing. I was not aware I showed up as a blue ball party. Or the girls who set ranking countdowns that you know are not going to be met 95% of the time. Like you are going to go up 10 spots in the rankings so you will tease us with no nudity lol. Being 100% honest I didn't go premium for so long because models block basic members chat. When they would block all of us just because one person acting a fool. She had been going after me as a basic over and over. So obviously she has some kind of hang up. A ban as a premium is not going to get tokens out of me. I don't know what type of person that would work on. Actually I expected a apology instead of that it's my job take it how you want bs. Her contradictions are funny as well. She posts don't bring drama to my room when she causes the drama. I'm not a counselor or your girlfriend. Want to be a friend and be treated like one just be a good person. Yet she is not a good person and attacks people for no reason.

Models don't "block" basics (unless she goes through the list of basics and clicks the button to ban each one individually)...they MUTE basics. And even if there weren't any basics "acting a fool" and they're all well-behaved, still...why would you, as a basic, expect to have the same privileges as a premium? Other cam sites would've automatically booted you from the model's free chat after like 5 minutes of viewing (I know ImLive and AdultWork did this), so be grateful that MFC even lets guests/basics watch a model ALL day/night long. Y'all aren't spending a penny on these models, yet got so much to complain about.

Instead of complaining about models charging X tokens to remove each article of clothing, you could A) just take her private where you won't have to worry about the possibility of her not meeting a countdown goal, and you get to have her naked for as long as you want while you're spending...or B) you could go the cheaper route and just tip her for a flash, if she does flashes.

 

[mynameisbob84]

If you feel that you've been banned unfairly and thus mistreated by a model... move the fuck on, yo. We're not talking about a girlfriend who cheated on you and now won't speak to you about what went wrong in your relationship so you can find closure. We're not even talking about a girl taking your tokens and giving you nothing in return. We're talking about a cam girl you barely know and when you were allowed in her room, you evidently didn't think enough of her to extend her the courtesy of clicking on a button to leave her room while you went off to play computer games. She probably saw your name in her room and after however long it was with not just no tipping, but not even any talking, became annoyed by the sight of your username. You can argue that's harsh or entitled or petty, and if you feel that way, that's all the more reason for you to run far, far away from this model and never look back.

And no, you weren't "attacked". This is the camming equivalent of the guy who stands outside the restaurant handing out free samples deciding that, after taking free samples for weeks without ever actually going in to the restaurant, you're no longer entitled to free samples. Go find another restaurant, or at least go find free samples somewhere else, ya know? And stop being an entitled child about it.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Your responses are completely ridiculous. Morals? Are you kidding me? You do realize you aren't entitled to any woman's attention right? The only one lacking morals here is YOU.

Women are not required to let you into their bedrooms. They are not required to show you their boobs or butt. They are not required to let you lurk or freeload. For the women who choose to be camgirls they do it as a JOB.

Do you also think a movie theater should be required to let you come watch any movie for free as long as there are open seats? If they say "I know there are open seats but I'm sorry you are still required to pay." Does that mean they are lacking morals or extorting you?

It worries me that you don't get it. It makes me think you have some really serious issues.

 

[BooyaaS]

A lot of models don't understand that most guys only care about bans for about half a second until we are in the next room, of course you'll get the guys who are slightly obsessed with a model and they'll come on here to complain about it but most of us don't give a f because there are 1000 other models online at any given time. (i got life time banned by a model last week for explaining this to her)

anyway members can ban models too - right click their name, "hide model" "ignore". that's the member equivalent of banning a model =)