sex worker

[Ambers Troll]

If someone else is getting off on what you do and you are paid for it, then you are a sex worker.

This is an asinine idea. If the actions of someone else define your career, what's the point? Tons of people get off on things that aren't actually sexual. Your definition would mean a librarian with a creeper diddling himself quietly in the corner is a sex worker. Someone with a foot fetish could easily get off on watching a shoe salesman or a salon worker who does manicures/pedicures. Just, no.

I would never pre-judge what is sexual or not for someone else. The salesman or salon worker are not being paid to titilate, the librarian only becomes a sex worker if he/ she both does it to thrill someone else and be rewarded for it. I would further refine "what you do" as meaning deliberately to titilate, that you know that you are sexually exciting another, and being paid in response to that thrill.

My post was really about responding to the implication that sex worker is something negative. Most men in particular use some form of sex worker at times.

 

[LadyLuna]

I would again like to point out, that just because someone doesn't identify themselves as being a sex worker, doesn't mean they think something is wrong with sex workers.

I believe a sex worker is a prostitute. I am not a prostitute. Therefore, I am not a sex worker. In no way, shape, or form does this series of statements say that I think something is wrong with people who are prostitutes. It's just not what I am. I do not believe porn stars or strippers are sex workers. Camming has the most in common with those two areas- live stripping, and making men cum from the visual and audio stimulation I provide, but not providing them with the physical stimulation aspect of inducing orgasm. It's that last bit, providing them with the physical stimulation to induce orgasm, that I think divides those who are "sex workers" with those who are not "sex workers".

Yes, we are part of the sex industry. Yes, there is still a stigma against us. No, I don't think we are better than them. In many ways, they are stronger, because they are dealing with a worse stigma. It's a hell of a lot easier to be accepted for being in adult entertainment than it is to be accepted for being a sex worker. They run more risk than any camgirl, call girl*, stripper, or porn star who doesn't also do prostitution, because we at least are doing something legal. And most of us are somewhat protected against STD's. In terms of risk, camming is the second-to-least risky of all of the sex entertainment industry (only thing less risky is being a phone sex operator). At least, all the ones that are looked down on by society.

(*a call girl is a phone sex operator, right?)

There is a similar debate surrounding the question of whether psychology counts as a science. Those who say it does are usually thinking that psychology not counting as a science is belittling psychology. Those who say it doesn't are in two groups, those who think it's not good enough to be a science, and those who are simply looking at the fact that the current laws prevent psychologists from doing proper scientific studies. I am neither psychologist nor scientist, but I believe that psychology itself is a science, but that it doesn't meant all psychologists are scientists.

Define sex worker, then you know if you believe cam girls are sex workers or not. Saying that "I don't ___ so I'm not a sex worker" just means that the person talking believes that ___ is a requirement for being a sex worker. It's like saying that since saying a lizard is not a mammal because it doesn't have warm blood. A lizard is not a mammal. That doesn't make it better or worse than mammals. It just means it's different.

Here, let's use some more examples of saying "I don't ___ therefore I'm not a ___" which have nothing to do with who is better than who.

I don't know anything about how to wire a house, therefore, I'm not an electrician.
I don't know how to make more than basic foods, therefore, I am not a gourmet chef.
I don't teach people for a living, therefore, I am not a teacher or professor.
I don't run a school, therefore, I am not a principal.
I don't ice skate very often, therefore, I am not an ice skater.
I don't play the trumpet, therefore, I am not a trumpet player.
I don't speak for crowds of people, therefore, I am not a politician.
I don't pass judgement on whether or not a law has been broken, therefore, I am not a judge.
I don't defend or prosecute in court, therefore, I am not a lawyer.
I don't have a penis, therefore, I am not a man.
I don't have the ability to breathe under water, therefore, I am not a fish.

As you can see, this is simply stating that I think the first part is a requirement of being the second part. It does NOT mean that I am better than they are. I actually tried to become a teacher, so I certainly hope I don't think that I'm better than someone who is one.

I do not provide physical stimulation to induce orgasm. Therefore, I am not a sex worker. I do provide aids for orgasm, therefore, I am part of the adult entertainment industry.

I will say it one more time: Saying that I don't do something, therefore, I cannot identify as someone who does do that thing, does not mean I think the people who do that thing are worse than me.

And again: just because I know I am not a part of a group does not mean I think I am better than everyone in that group.

And again: just because I have a definition of a group which excludes me from that group does not mean I think that group is full of bad people.

And again: just because I have a definition of a group which includes me in that group does not mean I think that group is full of good people.

And again: just because I am capable of doing something does not mean I think I'm better than anyone who can't do that thing.

Identifying what the requirements of a label are, and then saying whether or not a specific person fits that label, does not in and of itself pass judgement on whether people who fit that label are better or worse than the rest of the population.

 

[SatanJonez]

If your job is to knowingly entertain people in a sexual manner (even a fetish you don't specifically find sexual) in exchange for legal tender, you are a sex worker. That's how I've always thought of it anyway.

 

[LadyLuna]

My original post still stands, as it was all hypothetical anyway, but I looked it up.

Per Mirriam-Webster:

a person whose work involves sexually explicit behavior

From Wikipedia:

A sex worker is a person who works in the sex industry. The term is used in reference to all those in all areas of the sex industry including those who provide direct sexual services as well as the staff of such industries. Some sex workers are paid to engage in sexually explicit behavior which involve varying degrees of physical contact with clients (prostitutes, escorts, some but not all professional dominants); pornography models and actors engage in sexually explicit behavior which are filmed or photographed. Phone sex operators have sexually-oriented conversations with clients, and do auditive sexual roleplay. Other sex workers are paid to engage in live sexual performance, such as web cam sex and performers in live sex shows. Some sex workers perform erotic dances and other acts for an audience (striptease, Go-Go dancing, lap dancing, Neo-burlesque, and peep shows). Sexual surrogates often engage in sexual activity as part of therapy with their clients.

Thus, although the term sex worker is sometimes viewed as a synonym or euphemism for prostitute, it is more general. Some people use the term to avoid invoking the stigma associated with the word prostitute.

So, according to this, yes, we are sex workers.

 

[The Insider]

(*a call girl is a phone sex operator, right?)

A call girl is an escort/prostitute that is not a street walker. You call them up and either do in-call (where you go to their apt or brothel they work at) or out-call (where they come to you)

 

[JickyJuly]

The word "prostitute" doesn't always mean that someone is physically having sex for money either. It can really mean anyone who is using something "god given" to make money. It doesn't even have to be sexual. It can pretty much mean you're a sell out of sorts. So, to much of the world, a camgirl, a stripper, a model, a pop star are all prostitutes. In some cultures, any woman who isn't terrified of her body and hiding it from everyone is a prostitute.

 

[Gen]

The word "prostitute" doesn't always mean that someone is physically having sex for money either. It can really mean anyone who is using something "god given" to make money. It doesn't even have to be sexual. It can pretty much mean you're a sell out of sorts. So, to much of the world, a camgirl, a stripper, a model, a pop star are all prostitutes. In some cultures, any woman who isn't terrified of her body and hiding it from everyone is a prostitute.

So 'sex worker' doesn't clarify what prostitutes do, and neither does prostitute...it shouldn't be this complicated to have a word that means 'sex for money'. :lol:

Where do they consider pop stars to be prostitutes? I do think, though, in our culture/society, most people who refer to themselves or others as prostitutes mean sex for money, at least most of the time.

 

[JickyJuly]

The word "prostitute" doesn't always mean that someone is physically having sex for money either. It can really mean anyone who is using something "god given" to make money. It doesn't even have to be sexual. It can pretty much mean you're a sell out of sorts. So, to much of the world, a camgirl, a stripper, a model, a pop star are all prostitutes. In some cultures, any woman who isn't terrified of her body and hiding it from everyone is a prostitute.

So 'sex worker' doesn't clarify what prostitutes do, and neither does prostitute...it shouldn't be this complicated to have a word that means 'sex for money'. :lol:

Where do they consider pop stars to be prostitutes? I do think, though, in our culture/society, most people who refer to themselves or others as prostitutes mean sex for money, at least most of the time.

I think very conservative/religious people in America even consider modelling or skimpy outfits on a stage while singing prostituting. Most of the words used for sex workers (other than sex worker) are used so much as negative slang that their meaning gets watered down to nothing. Pretty much any word that is associated with women being sexual tends to turn into a negative or a put down. Sex worker is hard to do that with because it is pretty self explanatory.


pros·ti·tute
[pros-ti-toot, -tyoot]
noun
1.
a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money; whore; harlot.
2.
a man who engages in sexual acts for money.
3.
a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money.

 

[The Insider]

now that's just getting goofy that you wanna start pontificating on who you think has issues with it

it seems like the only one that has issues with "sex worker" is you

 

[Gen]

now that's just getting goofy that you wanna start pontificating on who you think has issues with it

it seems like the only one that has issues with "sex worker" is you

I was curious. I imagine even if I walked up to the most conservative, religious person and said "I'm a prostitute" they would not say "oh wow, like Katy Perry?" but I respect where Jicky is coming from & can definitely see what she means.

I'm not sure that I'm the only person who has issues with sex worker - but I'm definitely aware my opinion is unpopular amongst most; thankfully this is a forum full of intelligent & respectful people who can disagree and discuss :-D I think the topic would be pretty boring if we all just said "yep!".

 

[JerryBoBerry]

now that's just getting goofy that you wanna start pontificating on who you think has issues with it

it seems like the only one that has issues with "sex worker" is you

I was curious. I imagine even if I walked up to the most conservative, religious person and said "I'm a prostitute" they would not say "oh wow, like Katy Perry?" but I respect where Jicky is coming from & can definitely see what she means.

I'm not sure that I'm the only person who has issues with sex worker - but I'm definitely aware my opinion is unpopular amongst most; thankfully this is a forum full of intelligent & respectful people who can disagree and discuss :-D I think the topic would be pretty boring if we all just said "yep!".

yep!

 

[The Insider]

(edited)
nevermind

 

[EdenUk]

I do consider myself to be in the sex industry or porn industry as such.
To me as a sex worker can be anything from an escort, phone sex, stripper, online stripper, glamour model etc.
However, before I entered this industry I would have assumed a sex worker was someone performing sexual acts in exchange for money (actual intimacy).

I class myself as a fetish pleaser, someone who caters a service for those who have a fetish. Which is not always necessarily a domme because domination is a fetish in itself. I cater for guys who have an ass, leg, foot, armpit and god knows what else fetish which doesn't involve the control and dominating side.

 

[JickyJuly]

I didn't think Gen was saying she has an issue with the term sex worker. I feel like she's saying that the people who do in person sexual services deserve their own job title. They do. I agree. And, I can see why they picked sex worker. It doesn't sound interesting enough to be turned into slang. Unfortunately, it's also just too vague not to include the rest of us. The origin and intent of a word will never matter as much as how it is used. Until we live in a society that respects sex work, we're all going to be thrown in the same hand basket to hell namelessly anyhow.

 

[Kickaz]

What about actors in mainstream movies shooting sex scenes? Does that make them sex workers too?

 

[yossarian]

What about actors in mainstream movies shooting sex scenes? Does that make them sex workers too?

The purpose there is in the service of telling a story, not to get people off. But I agree that it's a tricky distinction (especially if you're talking about softcore Cinemax-type movies). Plus, it's situational. A mainstream actress like Angelina Jolie (for example) doesn't do sex scenes every day. Most of her job involves doing non-sex scenes. A cam girl is generally doing sexy stuff every time she's on cam, even if she's not naked. And of course there are exceptions to every term, which is why our language is always evolving.

 

[BlackSugarBomb1]

I read an interview a few days ago about a actress whose film won a few prices at cannes.
And she told starting with the first day of shooting she had to do sex scenes for over 2 weeks. 4-12 hours a day.
That's more than many sex workers do
Though most scenes were never used in the movie.. But it helped much to build a chemistry with the team and the other main actor.

Maybe thats the reason why the movie couple have a real life relationship with eachother after the movie too?
Just like Brad and Angelina after Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

 

[LaughingLux]

What about actors in mainstream movies shooting sex scenes? Does that make them sex workers too?

What about when camgirls give their regulars life advice? Does that make them life coaches? I think we can all agree we do a lot more then just sexual things in our line of work but just because someone hula hoops on cam doesn't make them a circus performer etc.

 

[Kickaz]

To me the only thing that camgirls have in common is the fact that they broadcast from a webcam.
I know camgirls that haven't even taken their shirt off on cam and use camming as a way to socialize. Camgirls aren't expected to show any nudity or do anything sexual. Lot's of girls do because they want to but it doesn't say anywhere on mfc that you have to. (I talk about mfc because I know it better but I doubt you would be kicked out of most other camsites if you were just here to chat or play an instrument, or paint or do whatever the heck you choose to do).

Most girls however chose to do sexual things, and that is perfectly OK and great. Even if camgirls were all doing sex things, I wouldn't qualify them as sex workers either. They are more entertainers than sex workers to me. Entertainment varies from cum shows, burlesque moves to just a girl next door playing her guitar.
Yes camgirls are using sex as a means to sell, but sex is also used in movies and advertising and I doubt most people would call actors and those types of models sex workers.

A sex worker to me is a prostitute (someone who physically stimulates someone with the intent to achieve orgasm) Nothing wrong with that line of work if both parts have a mutual agreement and they don't spread diseases. I just know it's not within my comfort level or enjoyment and there is also nothing wrong with that either.

Sometimes camgirls, burlesque dancers, exotic dancers and even movie stars (sharon stone crossing her legs anyone?) can induce sexual arousal, but so can a painting of erotica or an erotic novel. Is the painter and the novelist a sex worker too now?

I consider myself an artist/performer more than a sex worker. MFC allows me to share my art with the world.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Until we live in a society that respects sex work

I don't see this happening anytime soon unfortunately. I mean, sex workers don't even seem to respect other sex workers. Some camgirls like to act somehow better than porn actresses, non nude camgirls like to act somehow better than nude ones, some are too embarrassed to even call mfc a porn site because they don't like being thought of as a porn person, some won't even accept the definition of words. Trying to compare real actresses to camgirls? rofl Even Dhalsim would be impressed with that reaching.

 

[mutantdonut]

Feels like we're splitting hairs a little too fine now.

One thing i can take from this entire thread is the term 'sex worker' carries enough overlap across more distinctive professions involving sex: whether it be cam models, porn stars, prostitutes, strippers, or phone sex operators. The commonality of each entails consumption of sexual performance in exchange for business, hence the overlap, and the reason for Fay posing the question in the first place.

I believe there was a thread that also posed the question if cam models were considered "porn stars." I personally view porn stars as those who work directly in the porn industry. However, cam models carry a minor celebrity aura with a "star" quality intrinsically bestowed upon them, while performing acts considered pornographic for the general public to watch. Hey that's what professional porn stars do! So sure, why not, cam models are also porn stars. I've heard folks refer MFC, CB, SM as "porn sites" while others prefer to only label them as "adult entertainment sites." I've heard of "members" also labeled as customers, patrons, and clientele. As i'm splitting hairs myself, my point being is there's enough overlap to give an entity multiple labels, even if one label doesn't feel completely accurate. That's dependent upon the individual to define how he/she views it. To each their own.

 

[yossarian]

To me the only thing that camgirls have in common is the fact that they broadcast from a webcam.
I know camgirls that haven't even taken their shirt off on cam and use camming as a way to socialize. Camgirls aren't expected to show any nudity or do anything sexual. Lot's of girls do because they want to but it doesn't say anywhere on mfc that you have to. (I talk about mfc because I know it better but I doubt you would be kicked out of most other camsites if you were just here to chat or play an instrument, or paint or do whatever the heck you choose to do).

Most girls however chose to do sexual things, and that is perfectly OK and great. Even if camgirls were all doing sex things, I wouldn't qualify them as sex workers either. They are more entertainers than sex workers to me. Entertainment varies from cum shows, burlesque moves to just a girl next door playing her guitar.
Yes camgirls are using sex as a means to sell, but sex is also used in movies and advertising and I doubt most people would call actors and those types of models sex workers.

A sex worker to me is a prostitute (someone who physically stimulates someone with the intent to achieve orgasm) Nothing wrong with that line of work if both parts have a mutual agreement and they don't spread diseases. I just know it's not within my comfort level or enjoyment and there is also nothing wrong with that either.

Sometimes camgirls, burlesque dancers, exotic dancers and even movie stars (sharon stone crossing her legs anyone?) can induce sexual arousal, but so can a painting of erotica or an erotic novel. Is the painter and the novelist a sex worker too now?

I consider myself an artist/performer more than a sex worker. MFC allows me to share my art with the world.

Interesting points. I wasn't really thinking about the artistic aspects of it, but certainly the things that you and some other girls like Aella do falls under the level of art. The question, then, is maybe what the ultimate goal is? Is people jerking off to you the intended result or just a side effect? That is, an actress knows when she gets naked in a movie that somebody will cap it and post it online and jerk off to it. But that's not the INTENTION of the director or the actress. It just happens. (I'm talking mainstream movies where there is an actual story surrounding the naked boobies). Whereas, on MFC, people go there with the INTENT to get off. Some of us go there to chat, but I think we'd be lying if we said that was our only intent, or our original intent. And you knew that when you joined the site, right? I'm sure nobody joins MFC because they think it's an artistic medium and then one day looks around and says "Oh my God, I'm surrounded by naked vaginas!" So clearly, the site has a very specific purpose and anyone who is non-nude or who just chats and doesn't get sexy is an exception rather than the rule.

 

[JickyJuly]

I'm a little confused. Are we supposed to believe that someone in the sex industry can't also call themselves an "artist" if that is what they feel they are? If the good people of Subway can simultaneously be fast food workers and "sandwich artists" certainly a "sex worker artist" is acceptable? I would definitely consider someone like Veronica Chaos both a performance artist and a sex worker. If you broadcast from a site like MFC, you ARE part of the sex industry whether you're comfortable putting sex in your own job title. I guess one of the perks of working for yourself is the ability to create whatever title you want. But, we're all cogs in a sex machine. To deny that is kind of delusional. Whether you're a cog that runs more like the average cog or a special sparkly cog, you ARE part of the machine.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Thank you Jicky! :-D

I want to mention though that part of the appeal of NN/performance artists on camsites IS the fact that it's a girl doing these things on an adult site. It's PART of it. A huge part. It's the fact that you're surrounded by naked women and you yourself are not. In that sense, you might not be using your own sexuality in your performances, but you sure as hell are using others'. And that makes you a sex worker.

 

[yossarian]

I'm a little confused. Are we supposed to believe that someone in the sex industry can't also call themselves an "artist" if that is what they feel they are? If the good people of Subway can simultaneously be fast food workers and "sandwich artists" certainly a "sex worker artist" is acceptable? I would definitely consider someone like Veronica Chaos both a performance artist and a sex worker. If you broadcast from a site like MFC, you ARE part of the sex industry whether you're comfortable putting sex in your own job title. I guess one of the perks of working for yourself is the ability to create whatever title you want. But, we're all cogs in a sex machine. To deny that is kind of delusional. Whether you're a cog that runs more like the average cog or a special sparkly cog, you ARE part of the machine.

It's an interesting question--when does something that is designed to get people off rise to the level of art? How is a photographer who shoots "artistic nudes" any more of an artist than one who shoots for Playboy, if they both care about what they do and believe themselves to be expressing themselves through the art of photography? I've seen porn films (mostly from the 70's) that I'd classify as art, even though the ultimate goal was to make money by giving guys in raincoats something to spank to. And the discussion goes beyond "sex work." What about a big budget action movie? It's designed for a specific purpose--the get teenage boys to spend money. But does that mean it can't be art?

 

[LaughingLux]

I'm always confused when people want to separate art and sex into mutually exclusive categories. I'm an artistic person in general so If I can add that into a show I enjoy it even more but I think in any job I would do that. I'm an artistic sex worker like I'm an artistic yoga practitioner (yes you can be artistic in yoga it's beautiful haha). I love to find the beauty in different places. I feel like being creative is a personality trait as well as a skill and it won't disappear no matter what job the person chooses, sex work or otherwise.

 

[AmberCutie]

... Camgirls aren't expected to show any nudity or do anything sexual.

I would say that yes, on MFC they are expected to, but many if them don't.

MFC is an adult site and people coming to it (at least for the first time) are expecting nudity from the girls they click on.

By working on an adult site that promotes "selling sex" you include yourself in the sex industry whether you like it or not.

 

[Kickaz]

... Camgirls aren't expected to show any nudity or do anything sexual.

I would say that yes, on MFC they are expected to, but many if them don't.

MFC is an adult site and people coming to it (at least for the first time) are expecting nudity from the girls they click on.

By working on an adult site that promotes "selling sex" you include yourself in the sex industry whether you like it or not.

MFC is an adult social community. I disagree with you on the nudity. Their wiki shows they are both accepting nude and non-nude models.
I agree with you that MFC uses sex to sell, but to me the term "sex-worker" means someone that physically stimulates someone else with the purposes to induce orgasm for exchange of money. Most camgirls aren't doing that.
Not that there's anything wrong with prostitution, it's just different.
I would consider us a fantasy, just as much as an erotic novel is a fantasy. Doesn't matter if the girl is nude or non nude for this either. Both camming and the erotic novel use sex to sell though.
People that think mfc is a porn site, read the wiki. They wrote it themselves.

Also to the person that said this:

I want to mention though that part of the appeal of NN/performance artists on camsites IS the fact that it's a girl doing these things on an adult site. It's PART of it. A huge part. It's the fact that you're surrounded by naked women and you yourself are not. In that sense, you might not be using your own sexuality in your performances, but you sure as hell are using others'. And that makes you a sex worker.

To me that sounds like the only reason the non nudes do well is because of the other girls that get naked are doing all the hard work and the non nudes are leaching off the system, not providing any real value in attracting fans to MFC.

Keep in mind most big tips on MFC haven't been because the guy wanted to get off to a camgirl or because she had to show X or Y part of her body (in both nude and non nude models)
The MFC business model is so much more that boobs and vagina. It's mostly about the interaction and building a social community. There's girls of all styles on mfc that have excelled at that.
If people are there because they want to see naked girls they might as well watch porn and save themselves the money.

 

[curvyredhead]

Also to the person that said this:

I want to mention though that part of the appeal of NN/performance artists on camsites IS the fact that it's a girl doing these things on an adult site. It's PART of it. A huge part. It's the fact that you're surrounded by naked women and you yourself are not. In that sense, you might not be using your own sexuality in your performances, but you sure as hell are using others'. And that makes you a sex worker.

To me that sounds like the only reason the non nudes do well is because of the other girls that get naked are doing all the hard work and the non nudes are leaching off the system, not providing any real value in attracting fans to MFC.

Keep in mind most big tips on MFC haven't been because the guy wanted to get off to a camgirl or because she had to show X or Y part of her body (in both nude and non nude models)
The MFC business model is so much more that boobs and vagina. It's mostly about the interaction and building a social community. There's girls of all styles on mfc that have excelled at that.
If people are there because they want to see naked girls they might as well watch porn and save themselves the money.

While I totally see your point and even to a certain degree agree (it's hard for me to see something like this so black and white, and do think that a more of a personal or individual account needs to be taken to really determine whether a camgirl is a sex worker) I took this quote a very different way (although again, now that you have said what it sounds like to you.....I see your side of it). I looked at it as a marketing stragedy. In the sense that we ALL work off each other. Supply and demand. Plenty of girls find a way to put there own personality, touch or artistic approach to camming---it is often because its unquic compared to the rest of the girls on that is draws the attention of on lookers (now we all know keeping those on lookers around..is a totally different story).

Lord I hope that made sense.

Furthermore, I am not sure I agree that most BIG tips were not sent to get off to a girl etc. People get off in very different ways. While it may not seem sexual in nature to one person---it could be very sexual to another...even if THEY don't think of it as sexual. It still sends those same signals to the brain. One of the most well known of those being sending big tips, to get off on the reaction of the girls, or other members. Having the ability (even if they don't use that ability) to be the biggest badest member in the room, and boast about it. Having there name on there fav girl, or even a number of girls profiles. For some it's the secrete of knowing THEY are the big tipper of the day and no one else knows. Oh the list goes on. I think you guys get what I am trying to say--even if it was not said in the most elegant way.

 

[mynameisbob84]

To me that sounds like the only reason the non nudes do well is because of the other girls that get naked are doing all the hard work and the non nudes are leaching off the system, not providing any real value in attracting fans to MFC.

It would be unfair to suggest that non-nude models "only do well because of the other nude models" - nude or non-nude, you still have to work hard to get folk to tip you, to come back and continue to tip you, and to make a name for yourself in camland - but I don't think there's any getting away from the fact that it's the nudity that brings members to the site in the first place. Without the nude models, the non-nude models would have very little in the way of traffic to convert into contributing members.

Non-nude models' value to nude models comes in the form of providing entertainment that members weren't necessarily bargaining for when they signed up, and it's that entertainment that might feasibly be the difference between a member frequenting the site and buying lots of tokens in the process, and visiting the site a couple of times, quickly tiring of public cum shows, and never coming back again.

But I'd argue that very, very few members are initially drawn to the site by the prospect of hanging out with non-nude models. The draw of a site like MFC is undoubtedly the naked ladies and live, free, sex shows :twocents-02cents: