sex worker

[VeronicaChaos]

I took this quote a very different way (although again, now that you have said what it sounds like to you.....I see your side of it). I looked at it as a marketing stragedy. In the sense that we ALL work off each other. Supply and demand. Plenty of girls find a way to put there own personality, touch or artistic approach to camming---it is often because its unquic compared to the rest of the girls on that is draws the attention of on lookers (now we all know keeping those on lookers around..is a totally different story).

Thank you, yes, that is what I meant. And I was also talking about myself; my ventriloquism shows are successful in the context of being on an adult site. I'm looking at it from a contextual standpoint. I wasn't meaning to put down non-nude; I frequently do NN shows that are purely performance-based.

My point was that even if a girl doesn't get naked, MFC is still an adult site. I do get naked and do sexual things on camera but my purpose is rarely to get the guys in my room off; I enjoy showcasing sexuality as a freakshow act. I find the juxtaposition interesting. But that doesn't mean I'm not creating porn just because the intent isn't to create whack-off material because I know that some people do masturbate to my shows/vids and they are hardcore in nature at times. My situation is pretty unique but I guess what I'm trying to say is that intent doesn't necessarily matter.

As for whether or not MFC is a porn site is highly debatable. I consider it to be one, even if the "official" stance is that it's not. I don't see why a porn site can't be more than just a porn site, the same way I don't see why a porn can't be more than just a porn. I think that is the beauty of MFC and it's a very clever business model.

 

[AmberCutie]

... Camgirls aren't expected to show any nudity or do anything sexual.

I would say that yes, on MFC they are expected to, but many if them don't.

MFC is an adult site and people coming to it (at least for the first time) are expecting nudity from the girls they click on.

By working on an adult site that promotes "selling sex" you include yourself in the sex industry whether you like it or not.

MFC is an adult social community. I disagree with you on the nudity. Their wiki shows they are both accepting nude and non-nude models.
I agree with you that MFC uses sex to sell, but to me the term "sex-worker" means someone that physically stimulates someone else with the purposes to induce orgasm for exchange of money. Most camgirls aren't doing that.
Not that there's anything wrong with prostitution, it's just different.
I would consider us a fantasy, just as much as an erotic novel is a fantasy. Doesn't matter if the girl is nude or non nude for this either. Both camming and the erotic novel use sex to sell though.
People that think mfc is a porn site, read the wiki. They wrote it themselves.

Also to the person that said this:

I want to mention though that part of the appeal of NN/performance artists on camsites IS the fact that it's a girl doing these things on an adult site. It's PART of it. A huge part. It's the fact that you're surrounded by naked women and you yourself are not. In that sense, you might not be using your own sexuality in your performances, but you sure as hell are using others'. And that makes you a sex worker.

To me that sounds like the only reason the non nudes do well is because of the other girls that get naked are doing all the hard work and the non nudes are leaching off the system, not providing any real value in attracting fans to MFC.

Keep in mind most big tips on MFC haven't been because the guy wanted to get off to a camgirl or because she had to show X or Y part of her body (in both nude and non nude models)
The MFC business model is so much more that boobs and vagina. It's mostly about the interaction and building a social community. There's girls of all styles on mfc that have excelled at that.
If people are there because they want to see naked girls they might as well watch porn and save themselves the money.

I'm not saying MFC expects you to get nude, I'm saying they're marketed as a highly sexual place, thus, the viewers who come to it are expecting some nudity.

I'm sure many will agree that, regardless of what MFC puts in their wiki, the way they are seen by the majority is as a pornographic site.

Also

someone that physically stimulates someone else with the purposes to induce orgasm for exchange of money. Most camgirls aren't doing that.

Most? yes, they are, digitally.

 

[JickyJuly]

"Adult Social Site" is a marketing strategy, not a full disclosure. Most porn stores, for instance, do not ever use the word porn in their advertising. Most of the world is still uncomfortable with sexuality. Uncomfortable people don't easily part with their money. I worked for a handful of years in a porn store, and we had very specific wordings for everything (some of it for legal purposes "adult novelties" and some of it to keep the store looking classy enough for people not to feel like pervs for being there "adult films", "adult games", "adult actress"). That doesn't diminish that it was a porn store. Perhaps part of the non-nude marketing strategy includes feigning naivete to the fact that you are surrounded by debauchery? But, it doesn't seem wise to try so hard to deny where you work.

 

[Jupiter551]

I have always and still do believe the bit about never claiming they're a porn site is some sort of legal thing that allows them to circumvent having to have an age-check and enforce no nudity/public shows. Saying they're not a porn site (but acting like they are) means they can duck responsibility for potentially showing to underage audiences.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I have always and still do believe the bit about never claiming they're a porn site is some sort of legal thing that allows them to circumvent having to have an age-check and enforce no nudity/public shows. Saying they're not a porn site (but acting like they are) means they can duck responsibility for potentially showing to underage audiences.

That's pretty much the reason why they have the never-enforced "No masturbation/penetration in public chat" rule. It's not OUR fault your kid saw a model's hitachi show, ma'am, see, it's against our rules, she was misbehaving!

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I have always and still do believe the bit about never claiming they're a porn site is some sort of legal thing that allows them to circumvent having to have an age-check and enforce no nudity/public shows. Saying they're not a porn site (but acting like they are) means they can duck responsibility for potentially showing to underage audiences.

That's pretty much the reason why they have the never-enforced "No masturbation/penetration in public chat" rule. It's not OUR fault your kid saw a model's hitachi show, ma'am, see, it's against our rules, she was misbehaving!

MFC attitude is its all the models fault. Underage viewers, kids or underage models on cam, copyright infringements, drug use, underage drinking, models responsibility not our job. The really brilliant thing is if MFC is every sued for any of these things, not only is the model responsible for paying any damages, but she is even on the hook for MFC's legal bills. :angry4:

 

[JickyJuly]

Should an adult woman NOT be liable for her own actions? Cam sites provide a platform for money making and handle the financial services. Surely, if they are only allowing grown women to sign up, it's reasonable of them to expect that we will follow laws without being babysat or face the consequences. It's all outlined in the contract we sign. Anyone who doesn't understand their contractual obligations should consult a lawyer before signing. After, any misunderstanding is on them.

 

[curvyredhead]

Should an adult woman NOT be liable for her own actions?

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[PunkInDrublic]

MFC is an adult social community.

People that think mfc is a porn site, read the wiki. They wrote it themselves.

Why are you so against mfc being a porn site? I don't get it. It clearly is a porn site. Streams live pornography 24/7, thousands of models selling pornography 24/7, recorded pornographic shows, if you asked any non delusional person they would think it is a porn site. How is it not a porn site? Because a small percentage don't get nude? Ok but these models are still finding ways to get dudes off. Whether it be disrespectfully using public libraries so those watching can wack off to you or doing almost nude stripteases, non nude models are still taking advantage of mfc being a porn site.

 

[SexySteph]

MFC is an adult social community.

People that think mfc is a porn site, read the wiki. They wrote it themselves.

Why are you so against mfc being a porn site? I don't get it. It clearly is a porn site. Streams live pornography 24/7, thousands of models selling pornography 24/7, recorded pornographic shows, if you asked any non delusional person they would think it is a porn site. How is it not a porn site? Because a small percentage don't get nude? Ok but these models are still finding ways to get dudes off. Whether it be disrespectfully using public libraries so those watching can wack off to you or doing almost nude stripteases, non nude models are still taking advantage of mfc being a porn site.

I'm beginning to think that this is actually a marketing tactic for some girls as opposed to a true belief. "This isn't a porn site, other girls might treat as such, but I don't have to stoop to that. And you, my regulars don't treat as such either. We're better than that!" I think it's a feeding members' egos thing? That's the only thing I can think of.

I mean MFC is advertised on sites like porn hub and xvidoes.

Trying to say MFC isn't a porn site due to the social aspect is like saying Brie Olsen isn't a porn star because she's also a vegetarian.

 

[Bocefish]

MFC is a porn site?

Say it ain't so!

Does that mean escorts are prostitutes? :?

Shall we debate the whole camwhore thing again too? :whistle:

 

[yossarian]

Trying to say MFC isn't a porn site due to the social aspect is like saying Brie Olsen isn't a porn star because she's also a vegetarian.

I don't know about this. I've certainly seen her eat meat.

 

[AmberCutie]

Sure. MFC is an adult social site. But in this case "adult" means pornographic.

 

[Jupiter551]

Trying to say MFC isn't a porn site due to the social aspect is like saying Brie Olsen isn't a porn star because she's also a vegetarian.

I don't know about this. I've certainly seen her eat meat.

if she claims vegan btw I'm calling BS on that.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Perhaps this argument is better aproached the other way?
I have no experience with prostitution (the standard profession for a sex worker), but as I understand it not all clients are there to get off sexually either. Visits usually involve getting that one thing you are missing, and that may be as much about unjudgmental companionship as anything else.
On the sex side of things, apparently just getting that blowjob, the wife wont do is the most common. Hugh Grant and Devine Brown comes to mind.

Would watching/ reading a romance equaly qualify as 'ladie porn', the writers being sex workers? ...Perhaps so, but we will never see a romance stigmatized in the same way.

The social nature of camming makes it less like sex work, the more you remove sex from your camming.
I would add that it is likely someone is getting off on every model on a cam site in some way at some time, if that person rewards you for that, that you are ok with that, then they have just made you a sex worker. :twocents-02cents:

 

[LilyMarie]

Trying to say MFC isn't a porn site due to the social aspect is like saying Brie Olsen isn't a porn star because she's also a vegetarian.

This is the best way to put it, really.
Of course MFC is not only a porn site, it's also a lot of other fun things, and it's definitely a community as well.
A site can be a PORN site, first and foremost, while also broadcasting girls juggling or singing or painting or cuddling their cat or baking cookies or discussing philosophy. That's what's so awesome about MFC.
It's still a porn site though and I wonder why some models are struggling so hard with that.