Coop cam/creator platform

[MarieElise]

definitely nothing wrong with not knowing anything already. However hard to take a business idea seriously that isn't already based on solid research. My assumption is that you want us to donate our time to get you up to speed, and that is too much free work for my liking. Not an ego thing. Just a too much work thing.

What's saying you'd even go with the idea in the end, and it wouldn't be a ton of wasted time?
That's why I'm not interested.
But if you find models who are, more power to you guys.

When I think about business and things involving potential money, time and emotional energy invested, I'm very very serious. I'm not light hearted about stuff like that. Anything that would involve me investing my time or personal emotional energy, even chat servers and forums, I take super seriously. Because I'm not at a point in my life where I have a ton of extra time and energy. Right now, your idea just doesn't seem very solid or based on much that's concrete. Nothing to do w ego, and what you know or don't know. Perhaps I worded that poorly before. Just not solid, and not coming off very thoroughly organized or researched to me.

(I'm jus a serious all or nothing person. If I'm going to invest even an iota of my emotional energy into something, it has to be super solid and practical. I'm not into half measures when it comes to my time, or emotional energy.)
Don't take my honest feedback on a personal level. Business.

 

[AmberCutie]

Keep in mind, this forum has been around for like 13 years and in that time there have been a LOT of people who come here shouting wondrous promise of a new platform, but none of them ever really know all that is required and expected to actually pull it off.

We are justifiably jaded on that front.

 

[ArcticKitty]

In other news, I found that I could take Spanish lessons on MFC

Si hablas con la gata, ella te responde. If you talk to the cat, she talks back.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Keep in mind, this forum has been around for like 13 years and in that time there have been a LOT of people who come here shouting wondrous promise of a new platform, but none of them ever really know all that is required and expected to actually pull it off.

We are justifiably jaded on that front.

I'm not at all surprised at that history from having seen a recent part of it.

Actually, I can imagine you starting a venture and taking off with it, Ms. Amber.

(Add: thinking maybe a niche tourism related enterprise or discovering, managing and promoting rock groups.)

 

[Vixxen81]

I'm not at all surprised at that history from having seen a recent part of it.

Actually, I can imagine you starting a venture and taking off with it, Ms. Amber.

She already has. You're looking at it.

 

[BrookeRidess]

Keep in mind, this forum has been around for like 13 years and in that time there have been a LOT of people who come here shouting wondrous promise of a new platform, but none of them ever really know all that is required and expected to actually pull it off.

We are justifiably jaded on that front.

Just wanted to thnk you for running this for so long. Its really tough me more then I'll ever be able to thnk you

 

[KingMarti]

Keep in mind, this forum has been around for like 13 years and in that time there have been a LOT of people who come here shouting wondrous promise of a new platform, but none of them ever really know all that is required and expected to actually pull it off.

We are justifiably jaded on that front.

have any of them actually made something work? I cant think of a single one

 

[AmberCutie]

have any of them actually made something work? I cant think of a single one

I'll mention one that wasn't originally idea-born here - in fact I can't even remember the name of it... it was started by a cam girl and invite only. She ran it for a while, programmed it all herself, but ran out of money and had to shut it down within like... a year? before it ever became open to all.

nood.tv?

But outside of that, I can't think of anything that even got off the ground to begin with.

 

[AmberCutie]

Actually, I can imagine you starting a venture and taking off with it, Ms. Amber.

Right before Manyvids was born, Jawbs and I were in talks about making a content sale site like that. He custom programmed me one to use on MFC before there was anything like it, thought about opening it up for others. Then BOOM, MV popped up and we lost motivation.

(Add: thinking maybe a niche tourism related enterprise or discovering, managing and promoting rock groups.)

I'm guessing you were being sarcastic, since those are industries I know nothing about so should not start a business relating to 'em

 

[MarieElise]

For some reason I always thought stripchat was started by cam models? I bet I switched the name of whatever site Amber is talking about, with Stripchat in my mind. Because I remember there was one started by cam models that everyone talked about, on and off for a while there.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I remember that, several years ago, the girl “Quinn” on StripperWeb created the site LiveCamModelShows. It was supposed to be another independent cam model site for models to offer Skype cam shows (like CamModelDirectory and SkyPrivate). And back then when you wanted to sign up as a model on LCMS, I think you had to e-mail her with everything you wanted in your profile, and she adds you to the directory. There wasn’t a model admin area for you to go and work on your profile yourself, if I’m remembering correctly. Now it’s different to where you can sign up as a model on the website, and I’m assuming you can create your own profile.

 

[Vixxen81]

Wasn't nood projektmelody's first incarnation?

 

[ArcticKitty]

Right before Manyvids was born, Jawbs and I were in talks about making a content sale site like that. He custom programmed me one to use on MFC before there was anything like it, thought about opening it up for others. Then BOOM, MV popped up and we lost motivation.


I'm guessing you were being sarcastic, since those are industries I know nothing about so should not start a business relating to 'em

Ouch, BOOM just sucks.

But I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I can definitely imagine you as an entrepreneur.

 

[BrookeRidess]

For some reason I always thought stripchat was started by cam models? I bet I switched the name of whatever site Amber is talking about, with Stripchat in my mind. Because I remember there was one started by cam models that everyone talked about, on and off for a while there.

Interesting enough when I was 18 im now 40 lol I found a forum for phone sex . I was a phone girl for a year. That forum led me to stripper web . I then was a dancer for 13 years. I was on stripper web before they had the camming connection . Then I found ambercutie.com and been camming full time 10 years. If it wasn't for amber and this site I would have never cammed. Really amber you gave me the motivation and this site gave me the tools. I use to be super shy talking on hear but I been a member for like 10 years lol

 

[AmberCutie]

Wasn't nood projektmelody's first incarnation?

Is projektmelody Chloe? Chloe was the nood girl

 

[Vixxen81]

Is projektmelody Chloe? Chloe was the nood girl

I have no idea who is behind the anime on that, someone once suggested it was HarperFox. Whomever it is is brilliant.

 

[cooperr]

Not sure if the “am I right in thinking” is tongue in cheek or not, but this is something anyone who is even remotely interested in the well-being of online sex workers should know, because the whole situation with Pornhub changed the entire landscape of online sex work possibly forever.

But, yes. As Audri said above, PornHub used to allow anyone to upload anything to their site. CP, violent sexual assault, revenge porn, videos taken without consent, pirated content.

There was a lot of illegal content on there, and a lot of the time PH just ignored takedown requests of this illegal content. Eventually, a scathing article on PH and their shitty practices came out in The New York Times and it went viral. People were outraged and payment processors couldn’t ignore the matter like PH was. So, Mastercard and Visa stopped processing payments for PH, which finally made PH put in a verification process for anyone uploading content and they wiped the site of any content posted by non-verified users. Honestly, I’d be surprised if even vanilla people who aren’t interested at all in helping out sex workers didn’t know about that, because when PH deleted the majority of the content off the platform, since it was unverified content, it was all over social media. Front page of Reddit, trending on Twitter, even on my personal Facebook account there was people talking about it.

Anyway, payment processors didn’t just stop with Pornhub. The whole adult industry was being side eyed, or even outright vilified, more than ever because of Pornhub’s actions going unchecked for as long as it did. So, payment processors became even more strict with what content is and isn’t allowed on other adult sites. Clip sites and cam sites have to comply or else they could potentially lose their way to process payments, and this leads to it being a lot harder for us in the industry to just do our jobs. I could sit here and write a full on essay about the ways just creating and uploading has changed due to the payment processors/banks, and how drastically the content rules/tos has changed on multiple sites since the payment processor crackdown, in the last six+ years I’ve been in this industry. Not going to, since I don’t have the time and I honestly wouldn’t want to be the person who puts that info out for non-industry workers to see.

But anyway, all of this to say, maybe using Pornhub as an example for anything isn’t the best idea. But yes, you were right in thinking that they are now more selective with who uploads.



I doubt you’re going to find any clip site that openly posts their sales stats and announce which country has the most paying consumers. And remember, just because someone is consuming porn doesn’t mean they’re paying for it.

No, I genuinely don't know how how the restrictions work or if they are effective on sites like PH.

Really interesting what you say about the changes over the 6+ years timeframe. That makes it sound like there is a continual trend irrespective of PH, but that it has then been greatly exacerbated by PHs poor practices and the NYT article in 2020. I can certainly see why that would be really frustrating.

I've been looking into this area more recently, and I still don't totally understand exactly where these changes are originating from or why though. From what I can tell (e.g. tables like this) XVideos (and affiliated sites) have a lot more leeway with what content can be uploaded than most sites, and from what I understand that's because they run their own payments gateway. That says to me that it can't be Visa and Mastercard themselves tighening the restrictions, as XVideos also rely on their networks to take payments. So why then is it that the other high risk payment gateways are more restirctive I wonder?

 

[cooperr]

definitely nothing wrong with not knowing anything already. However hard to take a business idea seriously that isn't already based on solid research. My assumption is that you want us to donate our time to get you up to speed, and that is too much free work for my liking. Not an ego thing. Just a too much work thing.

What's saying you'd even go with the idea in the end, and it wouldn't be a ton of wasted time?
That's why I'm not interested.
But if you find models who are, more power to you guys.

When I think about business and things involving potential money, time and emotional energy invested, I'm very very serious. I'm not light hearted about stuff like that. Anything that would involve me investing my time or personal emotional energy, even chat servers and forums, I take super seriously. Because I'm not at a point in my life where I have a ton of extra time and energy. Right now, your idea just doesn't seem very solid or based on much that's concrete. Nothing to do w ego, and what you know or don't know. Perhaps I worded that poorly before. Just not solid, and not coming off very thoroughly organized or researched to me.

(I'm jus a serious all or nothing person. If I'm going to invest even an iota of my emotional energy into something, it has to be super solid and practical. I'm not into half measures when it comes to my time, or emotional energy.)
Don't take my honest feedback on a personal level. Business.

I can really empathise with that, thanks for taking the time to follow up with this

 

[cooperr]

Keep in mind, this forum has been around for like 13 years and in that time there have been a LOT of people who come here shouting wondrous promise of a new platform, but none of them ever really know all that is required and expected to actually pull it off.

We are justifiably jaded on that front.

100%, I really get that, and even from just a brief trawl through some previous threads I can see what you're dealing with. To be clear, I'm making no claims or promises! I'm just interested in if there could be a more cooperative, creator-centric way of doing things, that could be better for users & models - but the answer could well be no