Respecting the fact that cam models are people too

[wjr3]

A bunch of posts here and elsewhere about things that we don't see as viewers of cam models. In particular Evvie's thread related to off-cam efforts and juggling various aspects while on cam http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12234 and UrSavannah's recent Tumblr post about the private nature of a model's life away from the camera http://ursavannah.tumblr.com/post/42670338027/web-camming

During my years as a member on MFC, I tried to remember that there is a woman separate from the online entertainer, and that person deserves RESPECT and SUPPORT. This surfaced in many ways, undoubtedly similar to the experiences of other ACF members but I wanted to share my own memories. (And apologies in advance for the long post)

• * I've attempted to keep a lighthearted tone in my chat, giving every model a chance to laugh and smile. Being upbeat for her audience always helps, yet there were times when she was tired or had a crappy day before getting online and needed a personal lift.

• * I've delivered well-deserved compliments not only to a stunningly beautiful performer who was on my screen, but also to her alter-ego who could be unfairly critical of herself when she looked in the mirror each day.

• * I recognized that the tokens that I tipped were really going to the off-cam person who paid the bills, or needed a daily latte from Starbucks, or wanted to buy a special gift for her kids or significant other. And my rare big tips for a special occasion were made well in advance, to be included in the previous pay period so that she could enjoy the cash when the date arrived.

• * When I bought from a wishlist, I often avoided toys or outfits that can be used during shows, preferring to purchase items that are seen more commonly outside of the cam world. (Granted, some toys and outfits are quite nice to have off-cam, too. )

• * I've reminded models to block their state, even when they lived in my own state. Yes, it was inconvenient to lack access to their profile, but it was best for their overall privacy.

• * My heart sank every time I had to disclose that someone's name, location, or personal email was visible to me. So many ways for this to happen - Amazon wishlists, Chip-in details, sometimes personal info accessible through Gmail Contacts. I knew I had to tell them so that they could fix it so others couldn't see it.

• * Worst of all was listening to a model talk in public chat about a close friend of hers whose identity wasn't supposed to be known, then realizing that she was telling stories that I'd also heard directly from the other person. Considering that it could be construed as an invasion of privacy, I didn't know how to bring it up and the way I handled it led to an episode that was incredibly unpleasant. I screwed up not because I didn't care about these two people, but because I truly did.

Becoming real life friends with my favorite models from MFC was never an option. Yet I always wished that they were doing well when we weren't playing the roles of model and member. Perhaps even that was too personal - not enough emphasis on the fun and adult entertainment aspects of the site. Nevertheless, cam models are people too, when they're working and when they're not. Most folks here on ACF already know that lesson. Many others that we deal with should learn it.

 

[victor0021]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

She just said its "silly." It's her opinion....and quite frankly, I agree with it.
You don't tip for anal because it's not pleasing to the eye.
Most guys who don't tip because a woman's taken, it's because they planned on being more than Internet buddies.
MFC is not Match.com

 

[victor0021]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

She just said its "silly." It's her opinion....and quite frankly, I agree with it.
You don't tip for anal because it's not pleasing to the eye.
Most guys who don't tip because a woman's taken, it's because they planned on being more than Internet buddies.
MFC is not Match.com

Again it's their money, and there are plenty of models willing to lie to them or actually meet them. IMO being surprised guys think they can meet models on MFC is silly because it happens. If a guy doesn't want to tip you because you are marry or dating it's his choice. I'll give the same advice models give members, feel free to click next member. Not every member want's the same thing, but you are right it's just opinions and we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Zoomer]

Unsure as to what the discussion is on this thread...

 

[touchbunny]

Single or not shouldn't matter, unless it's part of a sexual fetishy fantasy preference. But the girlfriend experience is just that, and should be treated as such. If a model isn't forward about what she is and isn't looking for, (whether or not her status is actually single), she's leading people on. And that, my good lad, is fucked up.

Lol I posted to try to get the thread back on topic and then I forgot. Oops.
But I digress.

We're real people. Real virtual people. And as a virtual person I must say that I appreciate some respect.

 

[AllisonWilder]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

My :twocents-02cents: on this is that it's true that no member has to tip me because I'm in a relationship if that's his preference, but he doesn't get to watch me and use that as an excuse as to why he's not tipping.

 

[MemberEd]

Single or not shouldn't matter, unless it's part of a sexual fetishy fantasy preference.

But the girlfriend experience is just that, and should be treated as such. If a model isn't forward about what she is and isn't looking for, (whether or not her status is actually single), she's leading people on. And that, my good lad, is fucked up.

Lol I posted to try to get the thread back on topic and then I forgot. Oops.
But I digress.

We're real people. Real virtual people. And as a virtual person I must say that I appreciate some respect.

I think its safe to assume that the model is looking for tokens, in all cases. The girlfriend experience is what a member gets when they have a girlfriend. Any thing on cams is just entertainment. If a member is spending time in a models room for what ever reason, they should be tipping for the entertainment they are enjoying. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Anonymous]

But he doesn't get to watch me and use that as an excuse as to why he's not tipping.

Yes, and if a guy is dumb enough to flat out tell a model that that's the reason he DOESN'T tip, he shouldn't be surprised if he gets banned...lol. A comment like that is something he should keep to himself. Models don't need to hear a bunch of reasons a person won't tip, and admitting that that's the reason is even worse.

 

[victor0021]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

My :twocents-02cents: on this is that it's true that no member has to tip me because I'm in a relationship if that's his preference, but he doesn't get to watch me and use that as an excuse as to why he's not tipping.

I agree completely, I feel both members and models are free to choose what they are ok with when it comes to tips. I don't think it is ok to freeload for any reason and if models want to ban freeloaders I have no problem with it or if she wants to keep them that's cool too. All i'm saying is a paying member has a right to choose the criteria they set to spend their money.

 

[Nordling]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

My :twocents-02cents: on this is that it's true that no member has to tip me because I'm in a relationship if that's his preference, but he doesn't get to watch me and use that as an excuse as to why he's not tipping.

I agree completely, I feel both members and models are free to choose what they are ok with when it comes to tips. I don't think it is ok to freeload for any reason and if models want to ban freeloaders I have no problem with it or if she wants to keep them that's cool too. All i'm saying is a paying member has a right to choose the criteria they set to spend their money.

I don't think anyone has argued against that. The point is, if you're tipping or not tipping, it implies you're in someone's room--watching them. If you are, then there is no excuse to not tip...unless you're bereft of funds and the model chooses to keep you around for whatever reason. But to sit in a room enjoying all the things a model does, but not tipping because she's in a relationship is a lame excuse to be a parasite. (and yeah, he has a "right" to be a parasite but may be ejected too)

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

My :twocents-02cents: on this is that it's true that no member has to tip me because I'm in a relationship if that's his preference, but he doesn't get to watch me and use that as an excuse as to why he's not tipping.

I agree completely, I feel both members and models are free to choose what they are ok with when it comes to tips. I don't think it is ok to freeload for any reason and if models want to ban freeloaders I have no problem with it or if she wants to keep them that's cool too. All i'm saying is a paying member has a right to choose the criteria they set to spend their money.

I don't think anyone has argued against that. The point is, if you're tipping or not tipping, it implies you're in someone's room--watching them. If you are, then there is no excuse to not tip...unless you're bereft of funds and the model chooses to keep you around for whatever reason. But to sit in a room enjoying all the things a model does, but not tipping because she's in a relationship is a lame excuse to be a parasite. (and yeah, he has a "right" to be a parasite but may be ejected too)

Exactly. You can spend your money however you want, but I can have the opinion that it's silly. I am allowed to have that opinion, and so is Savannah.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I hate the way UrSavannah worded the part about not being ok to not tip someone because they are in a relationship. It's the members money and leisure time they get to choose what criteria they set to spend their money and models are free to choose what they are ok with. It works both ways members are real people too, all with different fetishes and reasons for being there. That would be like saying, well it's not ok for you not to want to tip for anal it's what I want to do. If part of the fantasy they are tipping for involves the model being single it's their right to look for that. Personally I couldn't care less if they are in a relationship but I also don't like anal shows so I won't pay for those, am I doing it wrong too?

She just said its "silly." It's her opinion....and quite frankly, I agree with it.
You don't tip for anal because it's not pleasing to the eye.
Most guys who don't tip because a woman's taken, it's because they planned on being more than Internet buddies.
MFC is not Match.com

Again it's their money, and there are plenty of models willing to lie to them or actually meet them. IMO being surprised guys think they can meet models on MFC is silly because it happens. If a guy doesn't want to tip you because you are marry or dating it's his choice. I'll give the same advice models give members, feel free to click next member. Not every member want's the same thing, but you are right it's just opinions and we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Yes, it does happen. However, of you signed up for the sight solely to date women, be prepared for disappointment. Not impossible, but be prepared.
Not only that, but camgirls lie. *gasp*
Some say they are taken to avoid guys asking to meet. Others say they are single to make more money.
I know, it's shocking!!! *sarcasm*

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Single or not shouldn't matter, unless it's part of a sexual fetishy fantasy preference. But the girlfriend experience is just that, and should be treated as such. If a model isn't forward about what she is and isn't looking for, (whether or not her status is actually single), she's leading people on. And that, my good lad, is fucked up.

Lol I posted to try to get the thread back on topic and then I forgot. Oops.
But I digress.

We're real people. Real virtual people. And as a virtual person I must say that I appreciate some respect.

I actually disagree with this. I think we are more characters and fantasy girls. I'd say the majority of camgirls lie about something. Whether its their status, location, boob size, age, height, occupation, ect. I think it's more like a role-play. You want me to be a nurse, I'll dress up for you bb. You want me to be married so that you can feel naughty, okay.
Now, other girls are more themselves and honest about many things.
Either way, no way of camming is "wrong." IMO.

 

[touchbunny]

Single or not shouldn't matter, unless it's part of a sexual fetishy fantasy preference. But the girlfriend experience is just that, and should be treated as such. If a model isn't forward about what she is and isn't looking for, (whether or not her status is actually single), she's leading people on. And that, my good lad, is fucked up.

Lol I posted to try to get the thread back on topic and then I forgot. Oops.
But I digress.

We're real people. Real virtual people. And as a virtual person I must say that I appreciate some respect.

I actually disagree with this. I think we are more characters and fantasy girls. I'd say the majority of camgirls lie about something. Whether its their status, location, boob size, age, height, occupation, ect. I think it's more like a role-play. You want me to be a nurse, I'll dress up for you bb. You want me to be married so that you can feel naughty, okay.
Now, other girls are more themselves and honest about many things.
Either way, no way of camming is "wrong." IMO.

Oh no, I agree with that, that's not what I meant. I meant if someone's 'fantasy' is a 'girlfriend experience', that is fine and dandy, but when it comes down to them getting too into it and asking to meet up, telling them oh, yeah, we will sometime when you have absolutely no intention isn't very cool. That's just a me morally thing though. I've heard it's sort of the "Romanian girl' thing to do, (which I can't tell if I feel like is racist or what but I've heard it a lot and it strikes me as a bit... judgmental). As a camgirl the ability to say 'no' without actually saying 'no' is very valuable, so not flat out saying 'no we will never meet up' I understand also.

I mean yes, we're here to have pretty open minds and play all sorts of shit, and that's one of the things I love about camming. It's just when the line gets there and gets too blurry, leading on past that blurry point is where I sort of draw the line for myself, because I care about my guys and I don't want them to get the wrong idea and get their feelings hurt.

Sorry for the confusion I'm on sicky meds right now so if none of this makes sense blame that, lol.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Single or not shouldn't matter, unless it's part of a sexual fetishy fantasy preference. But the girlfriend experience is just that, and should be treated as such. If a model isn't forward about what she is and isn't looking for, (whether or not her status is actually single), she's leading people on. And that, my good lad, is fucked up.

Lol I posted to try to get the thread back on topic and then I forgot. Oops.
But I digress.

We're real people. Real virtual people. And as a virtual person I must say that I appreciate some respect.

I actually disagree with this. I think we are more characters and fantasy girls. I'd say the majority of camgirls lie about something. Whether its their status, location, boob size, age, height, occupation, ect. I think it's more like a role-play. You want me to be a nurse, I'll dress up for you bb. You want me to be married so that you can feel naughty, okay.
Now, other girls are more themselves and honest about many things.
Either way, no way of camming is "wrong." IMO.

Oh no, I agree with that, that's not what I meant. I meant if someone's 'fantasy' is a 'girlfriend experience', that is fine and dandy, but when it comes down to them getting too into it and asking to meet up, telling them oh, yeah, we will sometime when you have absolutely no intention isn't very cool. That's just a me morally thing though. I've heard it's sort of the "Romanian girl' thing to do, (which I can't tell if I feel like is racist or what but I've heard it a lot and it strikes me as a bit... judgmental). As a camgirl the ability to say 'no' without actually saying 'no' is very valuable, so not flat out saying 'no we will never meet up' I understand also.

I mean yes, we're here to have pretty open minds and play all sorts of shit, and that's one of the things I love about camming. It's just when the line gets there and gets too blurry, leading on past that blurry point is where I sort of draw the line for myself, because I care about my guys and I don't want them to get the wrong idea and get their feelings hurt.

Sorry for the confusion I'm on sicky meds right now so if none of this makes sense blame that, lol.

Oh yea! Than I do agree with you and have a better understand now, thanks!

 

[southsamurai]

way off topic, but dammit, its just not fair! how can megan be that pretty, be that smart, and that cool?! i want to be her when i grow up

 

[PlayboyMegan]

way off topic, but dammit, its just not fair! how can megan be that pretty, be that smart, and that cool?! i want to be her when i grow up

But you can pee while standing. That's amazing!!!
Let's just switch bodies for a month or something!

 

[Nordling]

way off topic, but dammit, its just not fair! how can megan be that pretty, be that smart, and that cool?! i want to be her when i grow up

But you can pee while standing. That's amazing!!!
Let's just switch bodies for a month or something!

:lol: Easier way is to get an FUD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

 

[Sevrin]

Most guys who don't tip because a woman's taken, it's because they planned on being more than Internet buddies.

By the same token, one could imagine that most members who frequent a known-to-be-taken model's room might be biding their time and hoping to be the one to catch said damsel on the rebound should her relationship fall into distress. Men are pigs, you know, and we didn't come to MFC looking for someone to "respect". There was no link to MFC on the website of the Simone de Beauvoir Institute for Women's Studies, the last time I looked.

MFC is an entertainment site. Sexual entertainment is different from going to a concert or the circus in that sexuality is by definition very personal. There is a fantasy of intimacy being played out between model and member. Some members would simply find it jarring to imagine sharing sexual intimacy with someone in a committed relationship. I don't think it's fair to suggest that those members are plotting a real-life conquest simply because their choice of fantasy is economically disadvantageous to the model. However, there's no reason for a member to tell a model that he won't tip because she's not single anymore than if it was because she wasn't thin/blonde/redhead or whatever.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Men are pigs, you know, and we didn't come to MFC looking for someone to "respect". There was no link to MFC on the website of the Simone de Beauvoir Institute for Women's Studies, the last time I looked.

:roll:

Edit: If members are here not looking for someone to "respect" why would it even matter if she's taken/single?

 

[southsamurai]

way off topic, but dammit, its just not fair! how can megan be that pretty, be that smart, and that cool?! i want to be her when i grow up

But you can pee while standing. That's amazing!!!
Let's just switch bodies for a month or something!

done deal! i shall return yours in a similar condition to that in which i received it, if a bit sore and tired. do what you want with mine, i dont like it much anyway lol

 

[LadyLuna]

Most guys who don't tip because a woman's taken, it's because they planned on being more than Internet buddies.

By the same token, one could imagine that most members who frequent a known-to-be-taken model's room might be biding their time and hoping to be the one to catch said damsel on the rebound should her relationship fall into distress.

God I hate that! I talk about how my partner and I had a disagreement, and I get at least 2 messages of either "when can I come over?" or "you can come stay with me if you need to!" Seriously? I didn't even suggest that I was leaving him! Disagreements happen in relationships, they aren't the end of them! And just because you're fighting with your s/o at the moment is NO reason to go out and play with someone else if you're not in an open relationship!

Men are pigs, you know, and we didn't come to MFC looking for someone to "respect". There was no link to MFC on the website of the Simone de Beauvoir Institute for Women's Studies, the last time I looked.

Very true. The only thing I ask that people respect is if I say "no, I won't do that!"

MFC is an entertainment site. Sexual entertainment is different from going to a concert or the circus in that sexuality is by definition very personal. There is a fantasy of intimacy being played out between model and member. Some members would simply find it jarring to imagine sharing sexual intimacy with someone in a committed relationship.

Which is why I don't get upset if a guy asks about it, or leaves when I refuse to answer (because I don't say yes or no.) But the thing is, many guys will want to hear about my exploits with my partner! And telling them "I don't talk about my off-cam relationships", guys who didn't even ask the question will leave assuming that it means I have some... it's frustrating.

I don't think it's fair to suggest that those members are plotting a real-life conquest simply because their choice of fantasy is economically disadvantageous to the model. However, there's no reason for a member to tell a model that he won't tip because she's not single anymore than if it was because she wasn't thin/blonde/redhead or whatever.

Thank you for that! Quietly leaving is always preferable to "I won't tip because ___".

Actually on Streamate, I kinda prefer if a guy says "I'm sorry, I was hoping for ___." because that lets me say "I hope you find what you're looking for with someone else. Have a nice day!" and they usually return the second part. Shit, I even had a member tip me for that response

 

[Sevrin]

Men are pigs, you know, and we didn't come to MFC looking for someone to "respect". There was no link to MFC on the website of the Simone de Beauvoir Institute for Women's Studies, the last time I looked.

:roll:

Edit: If members are here not looking for someone to "respect" why would it even matter if she's taken/single?

Oh, I didn't say anywhere that it matters to everyone. All I said that there are, uh, different strokes for different folks. I don't like country music, but that doesn't mean that I respect country artists any more or less than anyone else.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I really agreed with UrSavannah's post. A camgirls personal life is completely irrelevant.

People do the same thing with celebs "aw but they're not single anymore".... well, they didn't have a chance with them anyway.
I love how people can fantasise so much about a situation, but knowing some small detail, like that person is currently in a relationship suddenly changes everything for them, their ability to fantasise.

A model being in a relationship is irrelevant to your potential relationship with her. Seeing as chances are you will never meet this girl in real life regardless of her being in a relationship or not, and let's face it, even if you met the girl in real life or knew her in real life, chances are you would still never have a chance with her, it shouldn't matter what her relationship status is. In fact the thing that makes you a dick about it is do you have a fetish for girls who are alone? Personally when I'm single I'm lonely, although I have a full life, being single for a long period of time is miserable. Being single for 6 months to a year is awesome, but after that it can be really depressing. Would you rather a model stays single and lonely so that you can have your tiniest hope that one day she might fuck you (even though it'll never happen) than be in a happy relationship?

No tokens are worth giving up on life and love. Seeing as most models are young you can probably assume that they'll be in and out of relationships for a good few years while they're settling down, so why on earth would you choose not to tip over something so fickle? When everything else you're getting from the girl is what you want?
We're not prostitutes, and as Megan said, mfc is NOT Match.com. And quite frankly, if you're wanting match.com and no one is going for you on there where girls actually want to meet people, what the hell would make you think that a hot model on mfc who has hundreds of guys wanting to meet her all the time, and no interest in meeting them will somehow want to meet you?

Back on the main topic, respect is a two way street, if someone treats me with respect I will give it back to them, seeing as it's members who seek models out the ball is in their court to make the first move. Models cannot click "next member" that is not how it works, we have to make the most out of what we're given.

I think one thing that should ALWAYS be kept in mind is that you actually don't have a clue what's going on in a models life. When a member say is nasty to a model, or randomly trolls her, you actually have no idea if one of her parents has just died, or she's going through some really traumatic stuff. A member who guilt trips a model for not being online one night often won't have a clue what's going on. This is true with every single person in life. You do NOT know what's going on behind closed doors so be very careful of what you say.
This is also true with what models might say to members. The difference with models and members is simply that most models don't go around trolling members. A LOT of members do. And as I said before, the ball is always in the members court, so usually a model will be civil and nice until provoked.

I think what also should always be kept in mind is most models are between the ages of 18- somewhere in the 20s. Most as I can see around somewhere in the early 20s. A lot of members are aged 30 onwards and seem to forget how young we are. I do think in all situations, ages have their advantages and disadvantages, so accept if you want to fuck/wank over 20 something girls, that they might be new to the ways of the world, they might still be finding their feet, and they might be insecure, hot tempered, passionate, opinionated, reckless, and god, loads of other things that the young especially suffer from. Putting a lot of pressure on someone who has only technically been an adult for a few years when you're twice their age is just a bit ridiculous. Enjoy us, but remember, we are not able to solve your life problems, we are not all wonder woman on camera, we cannot be perfect and although many of us act pretty hard skinned, by being a dick you could potentially do some real damage to someone who really doesn't deserve it.

 

[Alana Cruise]

Just want to clarify, I would never tell a member how to spend his/her tokens. The point I was trying to make was simply, a model's relationship status is irrelevant. To me, the only way it would matter is if you were trying to date/have sex with her. I do get wanting the model to be single and how it makes them more appealing. I leave my relationship status on my profile blank. I don't lie, and members know there is a man in my life but I like to keep the fantasy alive, leave some mystery. I don't discuss any details about him nor do I advertise I am single or taken. I do however make it clear I will never meet or date ay member.

I have to say personally celebs are more appealing when they are single, even though I will never get to meet them or date them, I am more drawn to them when they are single. I do get that!

It is the members choice to do as he wishes with his tokens but it doesn't make much sense to me why they need to know the models personal relationship status. Or why they would get angry or feel betrayed that the model had a boyfriend girlfriend lover husband etc. I mean, if you go to a strip club would you ask the stripper: Hey are you married?", Oh no sorry I am not giving you my ones LOL

 

[mynameisbob84]

I completely agree that a model's relationship status is completely irrelevant. So much so, that I don't even see the point of having the 'relationship status' field on the profile.

If a model is in a relationship, then she's not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model is single but claims to be in a relationship, it's probably because she doesn't want members trying to "save her" and is not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model has left that field blank, it's probably because she feels that members don't need to know whether she's in a relationship or not (because... they don't) and she's not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model is in a relationship but claims to be single, then she's probably weary of losing out on tips from guys who only tip models they think might one day fuck them; and while she's happy to let those guys think they might one day get to fuck her... she's probably not actually gonna let them stick their willy in her.
If a model is genuinely single, I guess there's that teeny, tiny slither of a possibility that she might get to know a member and decide they're not a complete dick and maybe, possibly, concievably she might meet them one day and potentially let them stick their willy in her, but really... it's statistically unlikely.

So... from this we can conclude that whatever a model's relationship status happens to be at any given time, it's always a safe bet that she's not going to let you stick your willy in her. Therefore, we can also conclude that a model's relationship status is all but completely irrelevant. That's like, basic math, yeah? :thumbleft:

 

[AllisonWilder]

I completely agree that a model's relationship status is completely irrelevant. So much so, that I don't even see the point of having the 'relationship status' field on the profile.

If a model is in a relationship, then she's not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model is single but claims to be in a relationship, it's probably because she doesn't want members trying to "save her" and is not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model has left that field blank, it's probably because she feels that members don't need to know whether she's in a relationship or not (because... they don't) and she's not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model is in a relationship but claims to be single, then she's probably weary of losing out on tips from guys who only tip models they think might one day fuck them; and while she's happy to let those guys think they might one day get to fuck her... she's probably not actually gonna let them stick their willy in her.
If a model is genuinely single, I guess there's that teeny, tiny slither of a possibility that she might get to know a member and decide they're not a complete dick and maybe, possibly, concievably she might meet them one day and potentially let them stick their willy in her, but really... it's statistically unlikely.

So... from this we can conclude that whatever a model's relationship status happens to be at any given time, it's always a safe bet that she's not going to let you stick your willy in her. Therefore, we can also conclude that a model's relationship status is all but completely irrelevant. That's like, basic math, yeah? :thumbleft:

So what you're saying is that members aren't likely to have the chance to stick their willy in a model? :lol:

 

[Jessi]

Sometimes I think the "I wont tip her if she's in a relationship" thing could also be like... reinforcing a "good guy" complex for them. Like it gives them a sense of moral superiority, maybe because they have weird internalized feelings about being on a camsite in the first place. Similar to the guys who bitch about their favourite non-nude girl starting to do shows, its not really about her, they're coping with subconscious frustrations with themselves/their morality.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I completely agree that a model's relationship status is completely irrelevant. So much so, that I don't even see the point of having the 'relationship status' field on the profile.

If a model is in a relationship, then she's not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model is single but claims to be in a relationship, it's probably because she doesn't want members trying to "save her" and is not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model has left that field blank, it's probably because she feels that members don't need to know whether she's in a relationship or not (because... they don't) and she's not likely to let a member stick his willy in her.
If a model is in a relationship but claims to be single, then she's probably weary of losing out on tips from guys who only tip models they think might one day fuck them; and while she's happy to let those guys think they might one day get to fuck her... she's probably not actually gonna let them stick their willy in her.
If a model is genuinely single, I guess there's that teeny, tiny slither of a possibility that she might get to know a member and decide they're not a complete dick and maybe, possibly, concievably she might meet them one day and potentially let them stick their willy in her, but really... it's statistically unlikely.

So... from this we can conclude that whatever a model's relationship status happens to be at any given time, it's always a safe bet that she's not going to let you stick your willy in her. Therefore, we can also conclude that a model's relationship status is all but completely irrelevant. That's like, basic math, yeah? :thumbleft:

So what you're saying is that members aren't likely to have the chance to stick their willy in a model? :lol:

I'm glad someone picked up on that. I was worried I might have been a bit too ambiguous :-D