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As a "low camscore" model (my camscore is usually between 800 and 1000, though sometimes it gets up to 1200)...

I once had a member that I felt was a big tipper in my room. He would tip me 100 tokens randomly, and usually for innocuous things that most people tipped 10 tokens for. I would compensate by giving him a longer view. One day, I was perving on another model whose camscore is in the 3000 range, and noticed the gentleman who was a big tipper. He was tipping her 500 tokens a pop. It hurt. I felt like I was being penalized for having a low camscore. Like the only reason he didn't tip me 500 was because the norm in my room was 20 or 50. And it made me wonder, how the fuck is my camscore supposed to increase, how the fuck is my norm supposed to increase, if the big tippers won't give those big tips to me because the norm isn't there yet?

But I never said anything to him, because he wasn't intending to hurt me. He didn't even know I was there. And it's his money, he can put it where he wants to. I am not naturally a jealous person, and when I do feel it, I don't try to punish anyone for it. I just try to figure out how to get what I want. And yeah, I tend not to perve too often. I only do it if I'm in the mood to see a sexy lady.

Sorry if that's off-topic, I'm not looking for pity, just looking to give another perspective. Anything else I might've said on it was already said.
 
Lady. my only thought about the gentleman you wrote of is that I am not like him. I know nothing of cam scores and could care less. I could care less what line a model is on and sooner or later on any given day will spend a bit of time clicking on numerous ones, and then take a look at profiles if the girl intrigues me. Maybe I am different but I hear models talking about cam scores all the time, but I have never heard a member talk about it.
Emptied, yeah...I would agree with that. I think that if you are a known tipper to a model, there is an expectation. Sure. And I think thats part of the problem I originally was talking about.
 
The amounts I tip don't rely upon camscore. They rely upon the economy that has been cultivated in the room by the model herself. If she's squealing at 20 tokens, I can generally rely on the fact that 100 tokens is going to get me some nice attention, especially when compared to those girls who barely flutter an eyelash at anything less than 500. For what it's worth, though, it's practically a sure thing that I'll be spending all of my tokens on the girl who appreciates what I give to her. It may be smaller tips accrued over a longer period of time, but aside from the occasional heady jag, she'll be getting what I have.
 
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JoleneBrody said:
AedanRayne said:
One thing I've discovered though is that some members actually enjoy when a model is jealous. Perhaps it really gives them the "girlfriend / wife experience" because they continue to visit the model and enjoy their company. To each their own, I suppose, but it's definitely not my style to behave in this manner.
This! While it's annoying, the "possessive model" game is actually feeding a need. I've known a member for well over two years. From the day I met him he has felt the need to "brag" about needing to leave because another model get's mad. As annoying as it is, it's what he wants. He wants to feel special and wanted, I don't want to hear about it anymore so he is no longer welcome in my room. I don't play that game and refuse to be even be part of the process. However, there are a handful of members who are ONLY on MFC because of this, and if their need to be needed wasn't being fed they would go to another site to get it.


When first signing up on MFC and throwing the tokens around, it can be a bit of a thrill to have beautiful, sensual women pursuing you for the shallowest of reasons. It gives us a little taste of what we dreamed it would be like to be a rock star. That thrill is short lived for most of us I think and the pursuit thing gets old real fast. So the second accounts, the limits on PM's and all the other stuff happens. I guess some guys get hooked on that feeling though.
 
I can see some jealousy or hurt in some cases, but it is unfair for a model to think that you are only ever going to tip her. I mean members have their wives or girlfriends for that kind of thing. MFC to me would be boring only seeing one model when there are thousands of sexy ladies. I admit sometimes I get a lil jealous but overall I encourage guys to tip other models esp my model friends. We are in competition but we are also coworkers and I wish more models would think that way.
 
I was in a room earlier this evening where a gentleman came on and proceeded to take over the board with his life story. He talked about dinner, his having had sex that day, his aches and pains, his trip this coming summer. The model---a very nice, patient girl---PM'd me that the guy is a regular and this is his style. No tips or anything, but a lot of the life story and what he would like to do with the model. And again, two thoughts crossed my mind: first, that the girls doing this type of work really do have psychology degrees in Real Life 101, whether they know it or not and second, there is a great deal of loneliness on cam sites. And I mean that where both members and models are concerned. I agree with you Ed.

As much as I feel a bit squeezed by a model every so often, I try to keep it all in perspective.

Very interesting discussion. Thanks again.
 
Meoff_69 said:
JoleneBrody said:
Hell, I've got a stable of tippers and I'm sure they have a stable of models. That seems healthy to me and I'm just honored that a handful choose to spend their time with me when I am on.

Are you suggesting I have a stable of whores? Am I a...whoremonger, to you?! Cuz GATUH don't front like that! :hand: Hahahaha! :shock: Hey, JJ! I keed, bb! :mrgreen: WHOA!!...hey....put the sledgehammer down, please!! *trips* :eek:

You should start a breeding program for the whore stable! :cool:

I offer training programs on proper breeding techniques and will gladly work pro-bono
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LadyLuna said:
As a "low camscore" model (my camscore is usually between 800 and 1000, though sometimes it gets up to 1200)...

I once had a member that I felt was a big tipper in my room. He would tip me 100 tokens randomly, and usually for innocuous things that most people tipped 10 tokens for. I would compensate by giving him a longer view. One day, I was perving on another model whose camscore is in the 3000 range, and noticed the gentleman who was a big tipper. He was tipping her 500 tokens a pop. It hurt. I felt like I was being penalized for having a low camscore. Like the only reason he didn't tip me 500 was because the norm in my room was 20 or 50. And it made me wonder, how the fuck is my camscore supposed to increase, how the fuck is my norm supposed to increase, if the big tippers won't give those big tips to me because the norm isn't there yet?

But I never said anything to him, because he wasn't intending to hurt me. He didn't even know I was there. And it's his money, he can put it where he wants to. I am not naturally a jealous person, and when I do feel it, I don't try to punish anyone for it. I just try to figure out how to get what I want. And yeah, I tend not to perve too often. I only do it if I'm in the mood to see a sexy lady.

Sorry if that's off-topic, I'm not looking for pity, just looking to give another perspective. Anything else I might've said on it was already said.

Sadly, I think it is the nature of the beast, and MFC is obviously highly tilted to the top earning models. Not only do they get higher placement which gets more an exponential increase in visitors, but they are able to raise the prices in their rooms for the same activity, which reinforces the rather vicious cycle. Now in many cases the top models and the average models specify a specific amount say 20 tokens for a boob flash for an average model and 100 tokens for a top. I don't think you could or probably would complain about that situation. But what about the situation when you want isn't on the topic list or somewhat uncommon say a spank or a song request or a jumping jack :)? Well maybe a spank for 10 tokens is fine for an average model, but I can't honestly think that most top models are really going spank themselves for 10 tokens, (JJ accepted :) ). So I may tip 50 tokens instead.


Now if he was just tipping you 100 and the other girl 500 for no particular reason or silly things like stand up, or show fingernails, then I completely understand your frustration. If I considered you one of my top favorite models and a friend, meaning I spent a lot of time in your room and chatted, emailed with you off camp,then I'd want to know. On the other hand if he is the bigger tipper type that goes from room to room dropping large tips, then I might be annoyed to be told how come you tip this model 500 and me 100.
 
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JoleneBrody said:
Meoff_69 said:
JoleneBrody said:
Hell, I've got a stable of tippers and I'm sure they have a stable of models. That seems healthy to me and I'm just honored that a handful choose to spend their time with me when I am on.

Are you suggesting I have a stable of whores? Am I a...whoremonger, to you?! Cuz GATUH don't front like that! :hand: Hahahaha! :shock: Hey, JJ! I keed, bb! :mrgreen: WHOA!!...hey....put the sledgehammer down, please!! *trips* :eek:

You should start a breeding program for the whore stable! :cool:

I offer training programs on proper breeding techniques and will gladly work pro-bono
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Feeling strangely uncomfortable, now! And maybe a little excited.... :? As for payment for services rendered...do you require tokens or hay & oats??
 
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Funny- I had this happen to me today!

I signed on to 43, I kid you not, offline messages from some models goons bombarding me calling me a "money hungry cunt" and all sorts of colorful names because I "STOLE" one of her regulars. Apparently, said member left her room to perv on me. Somehow it got back that he was perving on me & tipping and she flipped out and had her goons bombard my offline messages with evil, nasty things. Totally ruined my cam session for this afternoon. It hurts to see those type of things even when you know they're not true. I didn't steal anyone. I don't ever talk bad or even mention other models in my room (Other than if I'm raving about how I love them and if people haven't seen them that they need too!) So if he left her to hang out with me that was HIS CHOICE. I didn't steal anyone or anything from her. But needless to say she's so far off the plantation she thinks I did it and her idiot goon squad bombard me with nasty hurtful things.

I don't really care if I see another member perving someone else, what does bother me though is making a huge deal about leaving my room. I had someone who was "leaving to perv his favorite" go on for what felt like forever about why she was his favorite before finally leaving to go perv her. I don't need that, thanks. Just politely say bye, had fun, peace out, whatever and leave. I don't need a production posted all over my chat about your fantasy love for your fave model. That def. makes me twitch, but its not because your going off to tip someone else..

So.. Yes. It does definitely happen and it is not always dealt with nicely by some models. Obviously...
 
I used to get more bothered by it than I do now.

As a model you have very little control over members. Members come to you, if they like, they tip, but they don't have to. It's ridiculously unpredictable. Camming is stressful, and one of the stressful things about camming is it's so unpredictable that you don't know if you'll come on and make nothing or loads! So yes, good regulars, ones that tip and especially ones who you also chat to and get along with are extremely precious.

I have had situations where I've had a very close regular who I'd chat to all the time, they'd tip a fair bit, but then they'd go into another more successful girls room at times I was struggling and drop big tips on them, whilst saying they haven't got enough money to tip. When you're struggling on cam and a member you really care about who tips you starts tipping a girl who's not struggling, yes, it can be upsetting. No it's not a boyfriend girlfriend thing, but it can upset girls so try and keep that in mind.

The best thing to do is be honest about your tipping. Try not to rub it in the other girls face/go on about what you tip other girls, but don't let her get under illusions that you're totally loyal to her, even if she is your favourite. You can always lighten the blow by saying times that she's not online you'll hang out in a few girls rooms and obviously it's rude not to tip.
Try not to tell girls you like who might be jealous what girls you really like. Girls on mfc can lurk easily. Also bear in mind that ninja tips are relatively obvious. I would rather my regulars tip another girl openly in the room than doing it ninja as they know I'm in the room too or the possibility I might be watching. I don't care if they tip, but if I can't see how much they tip or if it's them... it makes me feel like they're hiding something, which instantly triggers off distrust and jealousy. If as a regular you don't go on about how incredible another girl is and how much you tip her, but also don't act like tipping another girl is something to be hidden, it should be ok.

FYI even though what this member said is semi true, he was completely out of order messaging you that and should mind his own business. He's just stirring stuff and is the kind of guy I'd make a bet that he went and told both the girls what was going on too. For the most part I'd be aware of it, but try not to make a fuss about it.

Members are not a models property, you aren't our boyfriends. Try and be sensitive to our feelings though as I'm sure you'd hope we'll be sensitive to yours. Because of the stresses and unreliability of camming girls can go a bit mad and grasp onto anything they feel might be safe. Most girls, even the most chilled have been guilty of this at some point or other.

The main time it is an issue though is if you're telling a model you can't afford tokens and then drop loads on another girl. Not cool. Even if I don't have much by way of feelings for a person, I would not be happy with that kind of behaviour happening with me and will and have called out members for it.

edit to add: Jesus the case with Gemma is awful! Wtf? that girl's a model! It's mfc, guys browse, that's how they find you! what are you meant to do, say to every guy: "sorry, I've got to ban you as you've probably been in another girls room earlier"
That is just crazy behaviour. It's unfair having a go at the member usually, it's completely ridiculous hating on the model!
Like those girls who's boyfriend goes out to a club, flirts with and kisses some girl that thinks he's single and then the girlfriend finds out, forgives the guy and constantly abuses the girl!
 
Isabella_deL said:
I used to get more bothered by it than I do now.

As a model you have very little control over members. Members come to you, if they like, they tip, but they don't have to. It's ridiculously unpredictable. Camming is stressful, and one of the stressful things about camming is it's so unpredictable that you don't know if you'll come on and make nothing or loads! So yes, good regulars, ones that tip and especially ones who you also chat to and get along with are extremely precious.

I have had situations where I've had a very close regular who I'd chat to all the time, they'd tip a fair bit, but then they'd go into another more successful girls room at times I was struggling and drop big tips on them, whilst saying they haven't got enough money to tip. When you're struggling on cam and a member you really care about who tips you starts tipping a girl who's not struggling, yes, it can be upsetting. No it's not a boyfriend girlfriend thing, but it can upset girls so try and keep that in mind.

The best thing to do is be honest about your tipping. Try not to rub it in the other girls face/go on about what you tip other girls, but don't let her get under illusions that you're totally loyal to her, even if she is your favourite. You can always lighten the blow by saying times that she's not online you'll hang out in a few girls rooms and obviously it's rude not to tip.
Try not to tell girls you like who might be jealous what girls you really like. Girls on mfc can lurk easily. Also bear in mind that ninja tips are relatively obvious. I would rather my regulars tip another girl openly in the room than doing it ninja as they know I'm in the room too or the possibility I might be watching. I don't care if they tip, but if I can't see how much they tip or if it's them... it makes me feel like they're hiding something, which instantly triggers off distrust and jealousy. If as a regular you don't go on about how incredible another girl is and how much you tip her, but also don't act like tipping another girl is something to be hidden, it should be ok.

FYI even though what this member said is semi true, he was completely out of order messaging you that and should mind his own business. He's just stirring stuff and is the kind of guy I'd make a bet that he went and told both the girls what was going on too. For the most part I'd be aware of it, but try not to make a fuss about it.

Members are not a models property, you aren't our boyfriends. Try and be sensitive to our feelings though as I'm sure you'd hope we'll be sensitive to yours. Because of the stresses and unreliability of camming girls can go a bit mad and grasp onto anything they feel might be safe. Most girls, even the most chilled have been guilty of this at some point or other.

The main time it is an issue though is if you're telling a model you can't afford tokens and then drop loads on another girl. Not cool. Even if I don't have much by way of feelings for a person, I would not be happy with that kind of behaviour happening with me and will and have called out members for it.

edit to add: Jesus the case with Gemma is awful! Wtf? that girl's a model! It's mfc, guys browse, that's how they find you! what are you meant to do, say to every guy: "sorry, I've got to ban you as you've probably been in another girls room earlier"
That is just crazy behaviour. It's unfair having a go at the member usually, it's completely ridiculous hating on the model!
Like those girls who's boyfriend goes out to a club, flirts with and kisses some girl that thinks he's single and then the girlfriend finds out, forgives the guy and constantly abuses the girl!

Agreed!!! & when I did find out who it was she's a top 100 model! i am about to piss my pants with excitement that I've stayed in the top #500 this month. It's not exactly like I'm competition for her! I don't get it. Womens be catty wenches sometimes.
 
Isabella, Gemma.....I'm not a big fan of the top 10 girls and really don't get the appeal, most of the time. There is one girl who usually comes on...often with one or two other girls....who smiles, takes a shot of some alcohol, touches the other girl or two suggestively...and then watches as men fall all over themselves in tipping. I was in this girl's room one night for a moment when someone tipped her 30,000 tokens. For nothing.
I like beauty like the next guy and I actually place higher priority on personality. And I like women as people. Maybe that's my downfall. 'Being hot' incorporates a lot more to me, I guess.
In this regard, I spread tips around. If you tracked my spending, you'd see I've tipped many, many girls...and I'm happy to do so.
I was just shocked that someone else noticed....another member. or that models would become territorial. And yes, I agree Isabella. I am sure that the member who wrote me also PM'd one of the models to say so. What can you do?

Again, I don't want to sound better than anyone else. That's not me. But I appreciate the patience of many, many ,models. Some of the things that I see being written to the girls is somewhere between delusional and misogynistic. I could never imagine saying to Isabella, 'Hey hon....you look awesome today', spending some time there, and then telling her, 'Sorry, I spent my tokens in Gemma's room.' That's heartless and well, disrespectful.

Thanks for all of the perspective. It's not a hard message to embrace here---treat people with respect, class and dignity. Why is that so hard?
 
It's not an easy job to do and there are a lot of subtleties and nuances that go with it.
I can understand a model being jealous because if you have a friendly relationship with one and tip her and some toadie tells her "Mr X is off tipping blahblahblah" she's gonna look at that other models profile, her photos, her cam score, what she does and doesn't do and wonder why her & not me.
If model #1 is all natural and model #2 has implants maybe she'll think that suddenly she's not enough and she needs them too. If model #2's cam score is higher the #1 she'll wonder why, what does she do that I don't do.
There is a lot of pressure.

Sometimes in the lounge I'll notice someone link a new model who's wearing underwear, sitting there, chatting. Maybe she's come from another site where there is no nude in free. A lot of the lounge talk goes along the line of "who does she think she is app proud & not taking off her clothes, we'll she'll see soon enough once she makes no money".
It sucks to read stuff like that because not everyone wants to show it off on free, some want to be a little demure and modest and save it for group or private or maybe they just wanna be non-nude. But reading the subtext of the undercurrent, people feel she needs to be knocked down a few pegs, suffer, go hungry before she realizes that if she wants to get by she's gotta take it all off & do whatever in free just to pay the bills/raise the baby/pay for tuition etc.
 
Eddie77 said:
I was in this girl's room one night for a moment when someone tipped her 30,000 tokens. For nothing.

I like beauty like the next guy and I actually place higher priority on personality. And I like women as people. Maybe that's my downfall. 'Being hot' incorporates a lot more to me, I guess.

It's never for "nothing" and I suggest you try understanding that before you become the jealous one.
 
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Jolene, you misunderstood me.

I mean a huge tip came for essentially nothing more than a smile, a faux overture toward a friend, and a snort of whiskey.
My point was that for some blessed girls, it apparently takes very little to attract huge tips.

I window shop quite often. Doubtful I am going to become jealous in such a situation, but your advice is well respected and please accept my thanks. I was trying to make the point that some girls apparently have a large following of big tippers while others---who work harder and are much friendlier---struggle to get a single tip. That goes beyond ironic to me.
 
Eddie77 said:
Jolene, you misunderstood me.

I mean a huge tip came for essentially nothing more than a smile, a faux overture toward a friend, and a snort of whiskey.
My point was that for some blessed girls, it apparently takes very little to attract huge tips.

I window shop quite often. Doubtful I am going to become jealous in such a situation, but your advice is well respected and please accept my thanks. I was trying to make the point that some girls apparently have a large following of big tippers while others---who work harder and are much friendlier---struggle to get a single tip. That goes beyond ironic to me.

I think she understood what you meant.

If I make take the liberty Jolene...

I believe what Jolene is saying when she says 'it's never for nothing' is there are always reasons. This guy that made the huge tip was probably a long time fan of the model, maybe for years. He's been in there enjoying many shows and wanted to show her he appreciated her. They might be talking and PMing in private where you don't see. Who knows, maybe they email, skype, do privates together. Whatever is happening between them it's safe to say he feels a stronger connection to her than the average person who wanders in just to watch a show and stand in amazement at all the people tipping for 'nothing.'

There is a reason he tipped. It's just more accurate to say you don't know what it is.
 
GemmaMarie said:
Funny- I had this happen to me today!

I signed on to 43, I kid you not, offline messages from some models goons bombarding me calling me a "money hungry cunt" and all sorts of colorful names because I "STOLE" one of her regulars. Apparently, said member left her room to perv on me. Somehow it got back that he was perving on me & tipping and she flipped out and had her goons bombard my offline messages with evil, nasty things. Totally ruined my cam session for this afternoon. It hurts to see those type of things even when you know they're not true. I didn't steal anyone. I don't ever talk bad or even mention other models in my room (Other than if I'm raving about how I love them and if people haven't seen them that they need too!) So if he left her to hang out with me that was HIS CHOICE. I didn't steal anyone or anything from her. But needless to say she's so far off the plantation she thinks I did it and her idiot goon squad bombard me with nasty hurtful things.

I don't really care if I see another member perving someone else, what does bother me though is making a huge deal about leaving my room. I had someone who was "leaving to perv his favorite" go on for what felt like forever about why she was his favorite before finally leaving to go perv her. I don't need that, thanks. Just politely say bye, had fun, peace out, whatever and leave. I don't need a production posted all over my chat about your fantasy love for your fave model. That def. makes me twitch, but its not because your going off to tip someone else..

So.. Yes. It does definitely happen and it is not always dealt with nicely by some models. Obviously...

Wow, I don't know who is worse here, the insecure model or her legions of droolers. WTF!
 
jumping in on the 'big tips are not for nothing'

Its not to say that models that don't get big tips, aren't deserving.

BUT people have got mad at me before for getting a 15,000tk tip for 'nothing'. It's between ME and THAT member. In many cases, I mail them a bag full of goodies, they get my phone number (something i dont give out) a LOT of time and attention on skype, a lot of other things.... when they tip a huge tip like that. You never know what the arrangement or circumstances are surrounding a large tip - and its none of your worry why a girl gets a large tip. And if it is a 'just because i really like you' tip there's NOTHING wrong with that, and its not for nothing. It's cos that member has the money (we hope) and really likes the girl. People don't spend their hard earned cash for nothing. They spend it on things they like. Things that make them happy.

I have worked my ass of - hard for the last 2.5 years. I'm finally in a position where I make awesome money, and I'm blessed to have that. I'm finally in a position where sometimes I get 5 figure tips. And it really bugs me when someone says that I have done 'nothing' to deserve these.
 
Jerry pretty well nailed it. I understood you perfectly Eddie, I think you may be the one misunderstanding. You would probably be pretty surprised to learn exactly how much off cam work most every successful model does. Many people probably assume that my highest single tip was "for nothing" and while it did come from a close and long time MFC friend, many many off cam hours of work happened. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's "for nothing". Even if it just for years of companionship and entertainment, unless they are your tokens it seems petty to judge someones worth or work ethic when you are merely peeking through the windows.

I apologize if I'm being defensive but this is a subject very close to me. It's our job to make things seem easy, but any high ranking girl works her butt off I assure you. Even if you don't see it live.
 
mynameisbob84 said:
Models - don't be possessive
Members - don't be tactless

Unfortunately, the possessiveness goes both ways. There are some members who get very possessive of their favorite models and actually get angry with them if they go private with someone else, or go group, or whatever.

That's just as wrong. As Shaun said, if the member wants to be that important to the model, he had beter put a ring on her finger (thanks for getting that song stuck in my head, by the way, bastich :p )

I have favorites, plural. Everyone does. I try to spread my tokens out between them. It doesn't always work. Maybe I'm in the mood for a private, and one of my favorites is on, and I'll take her private. Then I might not have any tokens for the others for the pay period. But, I'll never say 'oh, I took another model private, so I can't tip you.' That's rude.

I'll often joke with my favorites in PM when they have a long private; like 'go go long private girl' or 'look who has sex hair' or 'great, now my privates feel short' or some such when they get out of the private. Always with a laugh emote to show I'm joking. I never care if they go private with someone else or go group when I can't. It's part of the job.

I just recently got a model showing a hint of jealousy/possessiveness towards me, but just a hint. She's normally on when I am at work, so I very rarely see her online. We were joking around and then she said 'but you spend a lot of time with other models, and not me' in PM. OK, maybe she just wants me to spend more time with her, but with our conflicting schedules, that's going to be an issue. But it also makes me think I should change my points to the low/medium/high choice, since I'm sure part of why any model might say something like that is she sees the member's points going up, but isn't necessarily seeing a ton of tokens come her way.

As a note, I am hardly one of her biggest tippers (or any other model's for that matter). So, I don't necessarily think she wants me around more just for my tokens. Maybe she just enjoys me being around and having fun when we're both online. But, again, the whole conflicting schedules.
 
Jolene, Lolly, I truly respect what you do both on and offline. I understand your being defensive and i am sure that where the girl whom I was watching is concerned, you are quite right. This wasn't a one-off type of situation but rather, something that is actually more than meets the eye. I'm sorry if I sounded as if I was writing from The Lounge and it wasn't my intent to insult. Thank you for the clarity and explanations. And Jerry, I appreciate your perspective, as well.

Finally, Uncle Thursday brings the topic around full circle to where I actually began. Thanks for the comments.
 
Eddie77 said:
Jolene, Lolly, I truly respect what you do both on and offline. I understand your being defensive and i am sure that where the girl whom I was watching is concerned, you are quite right. This wasn't a one-off type of situation but rather, something that is actually more than meets the eye. I'm sorry if I sounded as if I was writing from The Lounge and it wasn't my intent to insult. Thank you for the clarity and explanations. And Jerry, I appreciate your perspective, as well.

Finally, Uncle Thursday brings the topic around full circle to where I actually began. Thanks for the comments.

You are REALLY good at taking correction and disagreements here - thank you for being so open to our opinions. You get awesome points :)
 
Re: the "large tips for nothing" thing, I think my view probably falls somewhere in the middle of the two views put forth so far.

Speaking generally and ignoring the rare occassions where some rich dood plonks down a 10,000 token tip five minutes after meeting a model simply because he can (I saw it happen once), I can kinda see both sides of the argument.

On the one hand, tips don't exist in a vacuum. If someone is throwing down a five or six figure tip, it's fair to assume that a) they've known that model for a while, they've enjoyed their company on and off MFC, they think of them as something closer to a friend than simply somebody offering them sex-related services and b) once they've tipped that amount - regardless of whether they ask for it or even expect it - they're probably gonna be recieving a bunch of attention/shows/videos/whatever that they wouldn't otherwise be getting (like with Miss Lollipop giving her phone number out to folk who tip her big).

On the other hand, I think there's an argument to be made that there's occassionally a disparity between what a model is tipped and what she's earned. If we accept that a model earns every cent of a 100,000 token tip then that 100,000 token tip ceases to be special and becomes nothing more than a customer paying the going rate for services rendered. I've always assumed that the whole point of these big tips was going above and beyond for a model that a member thinks enough of to want to treat to an extravagant gift :twocents-02cents:
 
UncleThursday said:
mynameisbob84 said:
Models - don't be possessive
Members - don't be tactless

Unfortunately, the possessiveness goes both ways. There are some members who get very possessive of their favorite models and actually get angry with them if they go private with someone else, or go group, or whatever.

That's just as wrong. As Shaun said, if the member wants to be that important to the model, he had beter put a ring on her finger (thanks for getting that song stuck in my head, by the way, bastich :p )

I have favorites, plural. Everyone does. I try to spread my tokens out between them. It doesn't always work. Maybe I'm in the mood for a private, and one of my favorites is on, and I'll take her private. Then I might not have any tokens for the others for the pay period. But, I'll never say 'oh, I took another model private, so I can't tip you.' That's rude.

I'll often joke with my favorites in PM when they have a long private; like 'go go long private girl' or 'look who has sex hair' or 'great, now my privates feel short' or some such when they get out of the private. Always with a laugh emote to show I'm joking. I never care if they go private with someone else or go group when I can't. It's part of the job.

I just recently got a model showing a hint of jealousy/possessiveness towards me, but just a hint. She's normally on when I am at work, so I very rarely see her online. We were joking around and then she said 'but you spend a lot of time with other models, and not me' in PM. OK, maybe she just wants me to spend more time with her, but with our conflicting schedules, that's going to be an issue. But it also makes me think I should change my points to the low/medium/high choice, since I'm sure part of why any model might say something like that is she sees the member's points going up, but isn't necessarily seeing a ton of tokens come her way.

As a note, I am hardly one of her biggest tippers (or any other model's for that matter). So, I don't necessarily think she wants me around more just for my tokens. Maybe she just enjoys me being around and having fun when we're both online. But, again, the whole conflicting schedules.

Everyone should be a little more careful about this kind of joking around. I have been guilty of it as well. I suppose it is a fairly common and natural thing, both online and off to say something followed by "just kidding" or an emote to that effect. I just feel, more so lately, that what was said before the just kidding is more telling than saying it was a joke.

I find it best not to call attention to things like privates and groups unless they bring it up first since it could easily be misconstrued as jealousy despite the laughing emotes. Imagine if she were to notice you went private with another model and said "go go long private boy". Even if followed by a laughing emote I would probably feel uncomfortable or wonder why she commented. Why were yours jokes and when you said you were joking around hers was not considered a joke? I know it was two different models but it just made me wonder.

Of course, all friendships etc are different. This was not meant to single out anyone as I have been just as guilty of doing this myself. Just something that popped into my head as I was reading this.
 
Eddie77 said:
Jolene, you misunderstood me.

I mean a huge tip came for essentially nothing more than a smile, a faux overture toward a friend, and a snort of whiskey.
My point was that for some blessed girls, it apparently takes very little to attract huge tips.

I window shop quite often. Doubtful I am going to become jealous in such a situation, but your advice is well respected and please accept my thanks. I was trying to make the point that some girls apparently have a large following of big tippers while others---who work harder and are much friendlier---struggle to get a single tip. That goes beyond ironic to me.

While I am sure that vast majority time big tips are dropped there is a lot behind the scene. Sometime there really isn't anything beside the girl being exceptionally beautiful. I remember being in one girls room, and I half suspect it is the same one Eddie is referring to. The model said I'll do such and such for 8,000 tokens. The tip came; the activity never happened. Lots of drama. I PM the guy who had dropped the tip, who also was regular in another models room, and he told me it was the first time in her room. The model was still newish at the time, she is a much better and more responsible model now. Still it is absolutely the case that guys tip her more for doing the same things, and often less, than the same guys tip other models. It is pretty much the same phenomenon as LadyLuna was complaining about. I guess you can say her naturally beauty "earned" her more tips, but I don't think attributing her success more to luck than hard work is unfair. But then life is unfair.
 
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Re: the "large tips for nothing" thing,

On the other hand, I think there's an argument to be made that there's occassionally a disparity between what a model is tipped and what she's earned. If we accept that a model earns every cent of a 100,000 token tip then that 100,000 token tip ceases to be special and becomes nothing more than a customer paying the going rate for services rendered. I've always assumed that the whole point of these big tips was going above and beyond for a model that a member thinks enough of to want to treat to an extravagant gift :twocents-02cents:

I'm going to disagree with the part I bolded. I left the rest in for context, because I generally agree with the overall premise.

Just because the big tip has not been earned, per se, for that tip, doesn't mean it has been earned in a more macro context. For example, how much time has a model spent on cam working it for a bunch of freeloaders? In that instance what the model has been tipped (little to nothing) is not congruent to what has been earned.

In my view, all tokens are earned. The disproportionality is in relation to where the tips originate, not in what the model has actually done to earn them.

I know we are basically on the same page here Bob, but using your quote provided me with a jumping off point.
 
Just Me said:
Everyone should be a little more careful about this kind of joking around. I have been guilty of it as well. I suppose it is a fairly common and natural thing, both online and off to say something followed by "just kidding" or an emote to that effect. I just feel, more so lately, that what was said before the just kidding is more telling than saying it was a joke.

I find it best not to call attention to things like privates and groups unless they bring it up first since it could easily be misconstrued as jealousy despite the laughing emotes. Imagine if she were to notice you went private with another model and said "go go long private boy". Even if followed by a laughing emote I would probably feel uncomfortable or wonder why she commented. Why were yours jokes and when you said you were joking around hers was not considered a joke? I know it was two different models but it just made me wonder.

Of course, all friendships etc are different. This was not meant to single out anyone as I have been just as guilty of doing this myself. Just something that popped into my head as I was reading this.

For clarification, I wasn't joking with the one model about her bring in private. I know which models I've built up a rapport with to do that-- mostly ones I've been in multiple privates with, myself, and who I've known for over a year-- and while technically I've known her for about 2 years, she left MFC and camming for over a year of that, and I happened to stumble upon her in the summer under her new account; and we've only had 2 privates, total, one on her old account, one on her new one. I was joking about another subject that she and I joke with each other about when I do get to see her online.

As to whether it is more telling when I do joke with certain models about long privates or such, In my own case, I don't think it is. I know the boundaries I have set up for myself, and I know models have boundaries they set up for themselves, and I try not to cross them.

One was telling me about someone she had to ban, because he started writing poetry and MFC emails saying how much he wanted to be with her and how he was being weird. She said he told her he knows she wants to be with him but she can't admit it, etc. She said she has enough crazy in her life when on cam... so eventually we got to this later that day (her name hidden to protect the innocent):



That's the type of rapport you can build up after a while. Where she will send me PMs while Im asleep on cam telling me to wake up and stop being lazy, or where she specifically puts on outfits she knows I like when she wants me to take her private (and yes, before Ana mentions it, she specifically puts on socks :lol: ), or where she'll be dressed up like a librarian or a secretary and I can be like 'my book is late, what's my fine bibi?'-- that sort of stuff.

After the model and the member get to know each other (as well as they can online in the camming world) then each knows the things that can make the other laugh or which jokes can be carried from one of them to the other. Or where the model might just PM the member when she isn't even on cam to talk small talk and such before she gets on cam. But, that can take a while. And not every model or member will be the same in what they'll be comfortable with from each other. But, if both keep feeling it out, then it can become something that makes the time on the site fun for both of them.
 

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