Mother and Daughter

[HiGirlsRHot]

Leaving this here.

in·cest
   [in-sest]
noun
1.
sexual intercourse between closely related persons.

I thanked this because when it really comes down to it, what happened on that video, or in JustAmber's room, is not actual incest to this dictionary definition. It may be a gray area in morality and social taboo, and make some people uncomfortable or "grossed out"... but doesn't fit the actual definition of incest.

Maybe I didn't watch enough of the video. Did the mom actually hold the dildo and shove it into the daughter's vajay? Or was she using it on herself while her mom sat there and looked at the computer screen? I know there was mention of boobs touching, but did any intercourse happen?

I only watched it once, which was plenty, so I maybe misremembering. But not only did the mom tell the daughter don't use a dildo without a 5,000 token tip, and that was just a number she picked cause she didn't think anybody had 5,000 tokens. But she urged her daughter to not use the dildo. The daughter used the dildo with her back to mom, so that mom couldn't see. The camera angle was such that you couldn't even see if the dildo was entering the vagina or not. My guess is she was faking masturbation, but in forum of experts I certainly don't know.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Just a few things here since I’m late to the party.

No, I wouldn't, but if someone and their dad were on my front lawn having a wank with each other, I'd probably watch just out of curiosity. Personally, my view of incest is boy/girl, I don't care what the "legal" definition is, that's just how I see it. Mother/Daughter isn't going to create a deformed, Southern American baby, so have at it. I don't mind.

If some dude and their dad were having a wank on your front lawn and you only reacted with mild curiosity I would be concerned. At the very least, you should yell at them to get off your lawn for fucks sake!

Yeah, but she got like 10 likes on one of her posts... She's obviously the God of ACF... :whistle:

I might be mistaken but I think Amber is the God of ACF. :whistle:

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

I don’t have sisters or a mother, but I have other female family members and I would be appalled if one of them fondled me or put their tits on my back while I was bent over with a dildo.



I don’t feel that this video was the dictionary version of incestuous, although it was still really weird to me and it was very uncomfortable to watch. I’ve been in rooms where family members were on cam together, but it was light and playful and there was very little nudity or touching.

Also, I just wanted to add that breastfeeding is not wrong, the south isn't full of inbred kids and nudity in front of your family/children isn't wrong (to me) so long as it isn't sexualized. Being on cam, showing your pussy and rubbing your tits on someones back isn't just nudity, it's not incest, but it is definitely sexual.

Just my two cents. Carry on! :handgestures-salute:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I feel like things in here got very blown out of proportion.

I do not believe that burton is a troll, he just has an unpopular opinion and feels strongly about it. In fact, I think I thanked one of his posts because he said something to the tune of "it isn't hurting you, so why be so upset about it". There are a few topics that I think could be helped by this mindset sometimes. But people like to argue, regardless of if it effects them or not.

If you look at the origins of why incest was made illegal (in some places, mind you there ARE areas where it is not illegal) would it not come down to the avoidance of inbreeding and child abuse? I know that society being morally opposed to it has made it much more than that, but I just figured I'd bring this up as a devil's advocate sort of post to get peoples' minds working in a different fashion instead of such black and white, good or bad.

Back when I would see JustAmber on cam with her mom and sister and all their boobies were out, my first reaction wasn't to yell "OMG INCEST!" but I did sort of see it as a little awkward. I don't recall them ever touching each other or if toys were ever used in front of each other, though. Not sure how I would have felt if I watched that, but if others enjoyed it it's not really my place to tell them they're not worthy of bearing children because they did.

:twocents-02cents:

Edited to add: If I had a sister and was naked in a room with her while changing clothes or whatever, and she reached over and pinched my nipple or squeezed a boob, I wouldn't feel like any laws were broken, nor any moral boundaries were stepped on. Now, if we were finger-banging each other every day, that may be a different story. There are always gray areas.

The "it isn't hurting you so why be upset about it?" way of thinking is a dangerous one. If everyone thought that way, there would be no police, no firefighters, nothing. They would all think, "hey, it's not hurting me, so I don't care."

Not one person in here has said that pinching a boob playfully is wrong. If it's not of sexual nature, I don't see it as being wrong. What was in the video IS of sexual nature and was intended to sexually satisfy the audience. That is what we are debating is wrong or not. Two closely related people doing sexual things with or to each other.

 

[southsamurai]

ya know, the whole reason incest is a bad thing has more to do with genetics than morality. that and the potential for psychological harm if not handled very very carefully. same sex incest? no chance of kids, so if the relationship is otherwise healthy why not? its not my cup of tea, but who is harmed by it?

If not handled very very carefully!? 100% of the time there's some sort of underlying psychological issue. You just don't fall in romantic sexual love with your siblings/parents like it's no big deal.

i do believe the 100 percent part is a bit of an overstatement.as near as i can tell the only thing 100% when it comes to human behavior and thought is that nothing is 100%.

as an example: i know a non-couple who are only a non-couple only because of their genetic relation. the gentleman in question met a lovely young lady at a restaurant one evening. they chatted, went out a few times, ended up having sex more than once. he takes her to meet his folks and his dad flips out on him. tells him not to ever see her again. lots of drama follows before the dad breaks down and admits he had a child with another woman during an affair. guess who that child was?

before the news that they were half siblings crashed the party they were happy, compatible, and on their way to trying to be a long term relationship of some kind. the only mental health issues they have stem from the revelation itself. their affection and attraction did not disappear when they found out. it became something stressful and unpleasant. i only spoke to the lady of this couple once, but she indicated that she wished very much that they had never found out. The guy in question ended up needing some therapy because of the trauma of how it happened. in all the group sessions i was present for i never once heard him say that he was messed up because he had slept with his sister. it all stemmed from finding out in such an extreme and heated way. i remember a quote from him quite well "it really sucks that i found someone perfect for me and lost her because my dad couldnt keep his dick in his pants"

ive said often that when incest occurs it is going to end up harmful the vast majority of the time. but when it does happen how it is handled has a lot to do with the effect it has on our minds and psyches. With so much of the things that include sexuality people get all hyped up and energetic in their reactions. it has been my personal experience that very few things in that regard arent more a matter of individual choice than some kind of issue that needs to be approved of or disapproved of by outsiders.

my standard always comes down to harm. if it doesnt hurt the people involved its really none of my business, or anyone else's

 

[Weirdtimmy]

What they really need to do is ban breast feeding. I think it's just a sick ploy by mothers to get the enjoyment of their nipples being sucked, without it being child abuse!

Yeah, this thread should be locked. Too much bullshit

Yeah, this thread probably will end up locked, but you're the one who comes on this forum posting oddball shit. And now you're badmouthing women who breastfeed, and you're trying to turn it into something sexual???

EAT A DICK.

It's called sarcasm. Learn it. Furthermore, where have I posted "oddball shit"? I stated an opinion on a subject, in which I was personally attacked numerous times for it, by people who claim to be open minded. If anyone here is to be the eater of said dick, it's not going to be me. I don't need 50 thanks on a post to feel good about myself, I have my opinions, and some random on an internet forum isn't going to change my view on the world.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I think in those situations if/when they find out it will always hurt/mess them up. There is no way around it, we're so tuned in to be opposed to it so unless we're already very messed up (or not thinking properly because we have cock in hand) the idea of incest or it happening will disgust us even if we are the participants.

It has been said something along the lines of if you meet a close relative without knowing that they are a close relative you'll either be really attracted to them or the opposite. This stuff does seem to happen a lot, and really, what are the chances?! So maybe there's some truth to it.
Like they say women either go for men exactly like their fathers or the opposites, but I think that is more personality wise and probably only because if they like their father the ideals have been set so they'd like to go for someone they'd approve of rather than because they'd find their own father attractive.

Like I said before, for me it's the nurture side of it that really disgusts me (not saying the dna part isn't also wrong), if you've been raised with someone as a sibling/parent even if there's no blood relation I think it's extremely wrong, and I think that would be more wrong than if you unknowingly met the love of your life then found out you were closely related but still wanted to be together. I have wondered about these situations, I mean what do you do?
But then if you met a close relative later in life knowing who they are and then went after them in a relationship way that's also another story even though you weren't raised together.

I agree with Megan on the "it isn't hurting anyone" is a very dangerous road to go down because actually, you don't know who it's hurting. Is it hurting their parents? The other siblings? Was one of them the instigator and the other felt pressured? Have things like this happened before? Will people they know find out? Will other people become encouraged by others success and attempt to start something that does NOT want to be started? You won't actually be able to tell any of these things on the surface. To tell everyone to just be cool with it, they're happy and in love is about as effective as telling men they can no longer be turned on by it.

I would say if that happened even with one of my friends whilst drunk our relationship would have changed. Have you not have conversations/done things when drunk that you've so seriously regretted and are embarrassed by? Well imagine the other person being your mother/daughter! When those things happen to me I don't want to ever look at the other person again! Oh and remember that now they've been spread over the internet, will people they know have seen it? probably. Now I wonder how those people will react.... even if they're ok with the nakedness etc, it's an extremely embarrassing video just to watch.

Although I would say the video is borderline incestuous although maybe not fitting the dictionary category of 'incest', what was actually upsetting me was the way people were talking about actual incest relationships as though they're ok and completely normal, the conversation seemed to have more gone to whether or not incest between "two consenting adults" is acceptable. Personally I don't see how anyone could even fight that so adamantly without seeing it as remotely wrong. I mean sure you might not think it's satin himself in disguise, but surely everyone can see that sex between family members is not ok, and not just because "society" says it. Some things don't need to be written down in a book or told, they're just written down in your core... at least that's what I always thought...

 

[Nordling]

ya know, the whole reason incest is a bad thing has more to do with genetics than morality. that and the potential for psychological harm if not handled very very carefully. same sex incest? no chance of kids, so if the relationship is otherwise healthy why not? its not my cup of tea, but who is harmed by it?

If not handled very very carefully!? 100% of the time there's some sort of underlying psychological issue. You just don't fall in romantic sexual love with your siblings/parents like it's no big deal.

i do believe the 100 percent part is a bit of an overstatement.as near as i can tell the only thing 100% when it comes to human behavior and thought is that nothing is 100%.

as an example: i know a non-couple who are only a non-couple only because of their genetic relation. the gentleman in question met a lovely young lady at a restaurant one evening. they chatted, went out a few times, ended up having sex more than once. he takes her to meet his folks and his dad flips out on him. tells him not to ever see her again. lots of drama follows before the dad breaks down and admits he had a child with another woman during an affair. guess who that child was?

before the news that they were half siblings crashed the party they were happy, compatible, and on their way to trying to be a long term relationship of some kind. the only mental health issues they have stem from the revelation itself. their affection and attraction did not disappear when they found out. it became something stressful and unpleasant. i only spoke to the lady of this couple once, but she indicated that she wished very much that they had never found out. The guy in question ended up needing some therapy because of the trauma of how it happened. in all the group sessions i was present for i never once heard him say that he was messed up because he had slept with his sister. it all stemmed from finding out in such an extreme and heated way. i remember a quote from him quite well "it really sucks that i found someone perfect for me and lost her because my dad couldnt keep his dick in his pants"

ive said often that when incest occurs it is going to end up harmful the vast majority of the time. but when it does happen how it is handled has a lot to do with the effect it has on our minds and psyches. With so much of the things that include sexuality people get all hyped up and energetic in their reactions. it has been my personal experience that very few things in that regard arent more a matter of individual choice than some kind of issue that needs to be approved of or disapproved of by outsiders.

my standard always comes down to harm. if it doesnt hurt the people involved its really none of my business, or anyone else's

Bad example. This is more like the story of Oedipus...where someone has relations with a close relative WITHOUT knowing who they are. Neither morality nor ethics come into play when you don't know the person you're having sex with is your half-sister.

 

[NoelleBright]

ya know, the whole reason incest is a bad thing has more to do with genetics than morality. that and the potential for psychological harm if not handled very very carefully. same sex incest? no chance of kids, so if the relationship is otherwise healthy why not? its not my cup of tea, but who is harmed by it?

If not handled very very carefully!? 100% of the time there's some sort of underlying psychological issue. You just don't fall in romantic sexual love with your siblings/parents like it's no big deal.

i do believe the 100 percent part is a bit of an overstatement.as near as i can tell the only thing 100% when it comes to human behavior and thought is that nothing is 100%.

as an example: i know a non-couple who are only a non-couple only because of their genetic relation. the gentleman in question met a lovely young lady at a restaurant one evening. they chatted, went out a few times, ended up having sex more than once. he takes her to meet his folks and his dad flips out on him. tells him not to ever see her again. lots of drama follows before the dad breaks down and admits he had a child with another woman during an affair. guess who that child was?

before the news that they were half siblings crashed the party they were happy, compatible, and on their way to trying to be a long term relationship of some kind. the only mental health issues they have stem from the revelation itself. their affection and attraction did not disappear when they found out. it became something stressful and unpleasant. i only spoke to the lady of this couple once, but she indicated that she wished very much that they had never found out. The guy in question ended up needing some therapy because of the trauma of how it happened. in all the group sessions i was present for i never once heard him say that he was messed up because he had slept with his sister. it all stemmed from finding out in such an extreme and heated way. i remember a quote from him quite well "it really sucks that i found someone perfect for me and lost her because my dad couldnt keep his dick in his pants"

ive said often that when incest occurs it is going to end up harmful the vast majority of the time. but when it does happen how it is handled has a lot to do with the effect it has on our minds and psyches. With so much of the things that include sexuality people get all hyped up and energetic in their reactions. it has been my personal experience that very few things in that regard arent more a matter of individual choice than some kind of issue that needs to be approved of or disapproved of by outsiders.

my standard always comes down to harm. if it doesnt hurt the people involved its really none of my business, or anyone else's

Yeah this is a HUGE stretch and not at all what I was referring to.
Two people who had never met before and had no reason to believe that they were related falling for each other is a COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY different scenario than the one that I was addressing. Not even comparable.

 

[DudeExtreme]

Please tell me this guy's a troll? :?

To answer your question, yes Megan, he is!

 

[Evvie]

I feel like posting my own opinions on incesty stuff.

In terms of actual, real, "we all agree that it's incest" sex between family members, I have a few different opinions.

1. Anti-rape/incest and incest support groups (not "we support incest" but "we support incest victims") and advocates of support have said that there is "no such thing as consensual incest between a parent and a child." And I agree with them, to a point. Even if a person is of legal age (which, remind you, may be as low as 16 in the USA or 12 years old or younger in other parts of the world), they may be so dependent on and influenced by their parents that the parent may easily manipulate the situation so that the child may be "okay" or even want the sexual relationship. In the end, however, the parent is the one pulling the strings. I feel (although I have no proof to back this up) that parent/child incest relationships are created by the parent because the parent has lustful urges and can easily convince the child that it is okay. The idea that a parent wants a whirlwind romantic relationship with their child just seems odd to me. So I am against parent/child incest relationships in that the parent has a hard-on and they can make their kid be okay with taking it.

On the other hand, if the child is 40 and the parent is 65, does the parent still have so much control over the child? I think perhaps once a certain point is reached for both parties, the parent/child incest relationship may not be so manipulative.

2. I'm not entirely sure about how I feel in regards to sibling incest. I mean, it's not like I think of this topic excessively. Children of young ages sexually exploring each other is common, and I do not believe it is entirely unhealthy. Sooner or later kids want to figure stuff out, and especially when they are pre-pubescent and the acts aren't really sexual, well then dandy. Perhaps the sibling incestuous relationship can also be manipulative, in the case of an older sibling with a younger one, et cetera.

We all know that sex isn't only for reproduction anymore, and I do feel that the argument "incest relationships are bad because they make genetically over-matched babies!" is a little antiquated. If brothers and sisters (and any combination thereof) want to have a romantic, or purely lustful, relationship together when they both understand what's going on, I honestly cannot say I think that's a bad thing. They're two adults, let them have at it if they want. I know some people are very black and white on this issue, and 'all incest is wrong no matter what', but I don't see it that way.

3. As far as underage incest goes, I am for the most part wholly against it. Sure, kids in high school sleep around when they're 14 or 15, and good for them I guess. But when it comes to a family structure, so much of the information about life and support you get is from your family that if you start to be manipulated or "encouraged" one way or the other, it can have life-long ramifications. Most people are also imprinted based on their early sexual experiences, so if someone has sex with a family member at a young age, this could develop in to a fetish where they desire to sexually use their own children.

I suppose it's a mixed bag for me. Some elements I am super against. Other times, it doesn't bother me.

There are always some concerns I suppose. Is it healthy for them? Would it not be better for them to have a 'normal' relationship? Do they not realize that their relationship is perverse or even abusive?

I would not say "live and let live" if a relationship is clearly abusive, damaged, or unhealthy. But I think there comes a point when the people involved are old enough and educated enough that an incestuous relationship is no longer inherently damaging.

 

[southsamurai]

my example was meant to be for the purpose of how the handling of things is what causes the harm in many cases, not specifically for how incest can avoid being harmful by proper handling. i went with one based on accidental incest as it was topic related... bad choice in retrospect. i do stand by the principle that oft times it is how people react to things that is the problem rather than the event itself (again, im only speaking of consensual acts between adults. rape is harmful no matter who is doing it, but if its a responsible adult with a child? much much worse, there's no way to handle it that isn't harmful)

 

[Kradek]

I thought all this was settled back in 1967 when Sturgeon wrote "If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister?"

 

[AmberCutie]

I feel like posting my own opinions on incesty stuff.

In terms of actual, real, "we all agree that it's incest" sex between family members, I have a few different opinions.

1. Anti-rape/incest and incest support groups (not "we support incest" but "we support incest victims") and advocates of support have said that there is "no such thing as consensual incest between a parent and a child." And I agree with them, to a point. Even if a person is of legal age (which, remind you, may be as low as 16 in the USA or 12 years old or younger in other parts of the world), they may be so dependent on and influenced by their parents that the parent may easily manipulate the situation so that the child may be "okay" or even want the sexual relationship. In the end, however, the parent is the one pulling the strings. I feel (although I have no proof to back this up) that parent/child incest relationships are created by the parent because the parent has lustful urges and can easily convince the child that it is okay. The idea that a parent wants a whirlwind romantic relationship with their child just seems odd to me. So I am against parent/child incest relationships in that the parent has a hard-on and they can make their kid be okay with taking it.

On the other hand, if the child is 40 and the parent is 65, does the parent still have so much control over the child? I think perhaps once a certain point is reached for both parties, the parent/child incest relationship may not be so manipulative.

2. I'm not entirely sure about how I feel in regards to sibling incest. I mean, it's not like I think of this topic excessively. Children of young ages sexually exploring each other is common, and I do not believe it is entirely unhealthy. Sooner or later kids want to figure stuff out, and especially when they are pre-pubescent and the acts aren't really sexual, well then dandy. Perhaps the sibling incestuous relationship can also be manipulative, in the case of an older sibling with a younger one, et cetera.

We all know that sex isn't only for reproduction anymore, and I do feel that the argument "incest relationships are bad because they make genetically over-matched babies!" is a little antiquated. If brothers and sisters (and any combination thereof) want to have a romantic, or purely lustful, relationship together when they both understand what's going on, I honestly cannot say I think that's a bad thing. They're two adults, let them have at it if they want. I know some people are very black and white on this issue, and 'all incest is wrong no matter what', but I don't see it that way.

3. As far as underage incest goes, I am for the most part wholly against it. Sure, kids in high school sleep around when they're 14 or 15, and good for them I guess. But when it comes to a family structure, so much of the information about life and support you get is from your family that if you start to be manipulated or "encouraged" one way or the other, it can have life-long ramifications. Most people are also imprinted based on their early sexual experiences, so if someone has sex with a family member at a young age, this could develop in to a fetish where they desire to sexually use their own children.

I suppose it's a mixed bag for me. Some elements I am super against. Other times, it doesn't bother me.

There are always some concerns I suppose. Is it healthy for them? Would it not be better for them to have a 'normal' relationship? Do they not realize that their relationship is perverse or even abusive?

I would not say "live and let live" if a relationship is clearly abusive, damaged, or unhealthy. But I think there comes a point when the people involved are old enough and educated enough that an incestuous relationship is no longer inherently damaging.

I knew I should have just waited for you to come in and word things so eloquently and detailed.
:thumbleft:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I feel like things in here got very blown out of proportion.

I do not believe that burton is a troll, he just has an unpopular opinion and feels strongly about it.

I didn't think he was a troll because he had an unpopular opinion. I thought he was a troll because his lesbian twin story seemed far fetched, and the fact he thought it was wonderful, even more so.

 

[SoTxBob]

..... personally attacked numerous times for it, by people who claim to be open minded.

This is sadly becoming more common here. When someone states their opinion, if its at all controversial, or too long winded, it seems more than a few frequently jump right to the gutter and go all 2nd grade on that person instead of acting like rational educated adults. Some of you folks get unnecessarily judgmental and nasty really fast. I can't help but wonder if there's such a bipolar shift so easily over words, then in kind, I wonder if the sweet candy and lipgloss image you present for the world to see isn't simply a false mask to hide the real person....

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I feel like things in here got very blown out of proportion.

I do not believe that burton is a troll, he just has an unpopular opinion and feels strongly about it.

I didn't think he was a troll because he had an unpopular opinion. I thought he was a troll because his lesbian twin story seemed far fetched, and the fact he thought it was wonderful, even more so.

I was thinking because he was defending these twins who were friends with his gay brother, who doesn't care.... because he's gay? A load of my friends are gay, and I very much doubt any of them would be ok with that! So either he's just met the twins and is really turned on by them, or they're not actually in a relationship at all and he just wishes they were and doesn't want us ruining his fantasy.

He's also clearly a fan of mother daughter/sisters as he kept mentioning looking at porn sites/forums with those kinds of videos/topics. Unless he's a fan of that stuff I can't imagine he would have that much experience with it or feel so adamantly towards it unless he just watched a LOT of porn.

And Bob in some cases yes we can all be judgey, but personally I think in this kind of situation him saying that incest relationships are ok, I'm ok with being a little judgemental. I think it's kind of ok to be that person who's against incest. Plus interesting that you did just write a fairly judgemental post judging us judging others. To most people someone saying there's no problem with incest because they're happy and guys find it hot that's going to induce a lot of "wtf?!" what was so weird about his posts was that he seemed shocked that we were shocked. To me that kind of stuff is on par with someone turning around and saying it's ok for a 20 year old to date an 11 year old, that may be a small opinion, but the effects of these so called harmless relationships are something I don't think anyone can imagine without actually being there themselves.

 

[southsamurai]

Just to add in another little tidbit, incest fantasies are not uncommon, though certainly not a majority of people have them. last time i checked the info on it it was pretty even between genders as to which one liked such fantasies. And again, the occurrence of incest is high enough to be considered more than a statistical anomaly. People not only think about doing it for fun, but they actually do.

i think pretty much everyone here agrees that abusive incest, especially with minors is not acceptable behavior. i still hold to the principle that what two consenting adults do is their business and no one else's. Gay, straight, white, black, whatever; what two or more adults do in privacy with each other is not something that outsiders have any right to interfere with. The idea of poking my nose into someone else's personal matters is just sort of rude to me, unless im invited in. Judging them for what they do just isnt how i roll for the most part.

Do i personally want to bang any of my relatives? No. Does the idea of incest turn me on? No. but does doing it or wanting to do it, or thinking about it make a person bad, wrong or damaged? again, No. The spectrum of human sexuality is far wider and stranger than minor things like incest, bestiality, or even golden showers.i understand that these types of subjects can cause an emotional reaction. If the subject at hand were scat play as an example you'd find me not saying anything at all. That's because my reaction would be so emotional, so visceral that i would have nothing useful to say. it would be all " omfg that is disgusting!"

If anyone that is having a strong emotional response to the subject has been victimized incestually, i truly wish it had not happened to you. i understand the trauma that can cause. i truly, deeply hope that the discussion of the subject matter by others doesn't cause anyone more pain. There are many support groups and theraputic modalities for recovering from such events and ill be glad to research them for anyone in need if they aren't able to do so for themselves.

 

[LadyLuna]

I'm on page three, but thought I'd add my two cents...

1. There are so many kinds of incest relationships. There's Mother-Daughter, Father-Daughter, Father-son, Father-Daughter, Brother-Brother, Brother-Sister, Sister-Sister. That's not even getting into cousins and such either!

I would define incest as at least one person using the other for sexual gratification who have the same relatives within two generations (so second-cousins don't count).

I think when there's a huge age gap, it's NEVER okay.

If the ages are similar, then it might be okay, if it's actually desired by both sides, and no children result, regardless of the age/sex of the participants.

Also- just because someone fantasizes about something doesn't mean they actually want it to happen. Some of my steamiest fantasies I hope never happen.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Do i personally want to bang any of my relatives? No. Does the idea of incest turn me on? No. but does doing it or wanting to do it, or thinking about it make a person bad, wrong or damaged? again, No.

Also- just because someone fantasizes about something doesn't mean they actually want it to happen. Some of my steamiest fantasies I hope never happen.

Yeah, all of that up there. ^^ I have some pretty deviant fantasies that the majority of people would be appalled by. I love them.

 

[Weirdtimmy]

I'd rather drown, so when my body is found, assuming I'm not eaten by a river monster, I can be identified.

See? How hard was that. I'm sorry if you get so easily offended if two people are comfortable being around each other in the nude and happen to be related. Last I checked, it's not the end of the world...

TBH, the first personal attack was when Timmy called Megan someone who was "so easily offended" for not wanting to watch family members OR people pissing in each other's mouth.....

Umm... First off I said there was worse things on the interwebs than family members getting naked on cam together, then threw out an outrageous example such as excrement shows, before Megan even entered the conversation. Even in the quote above, I say nothing about an excrement show to Megan, as stated before, it was an extreme hyperbole of an example used to prove a point, which people decided to jump all over and take it for more than it was.

Secondly, if you think saying "I'm sorry if you're offended by such and such" is a personal attack, you're obviously looking to be offended and cause drama. I have neither the time or the will to discuss this further with such a person.

 

[AllisonWilder]

I'd rather drown, so when my body is found, assuming I'm not eaten by a river monster, I can be identified.

See? How hard was that. I'm sorry if you get so easily offended if two people are comfortable being around each other in the nude and happen to be related. Last I checked, it's not the end of the world...

TBH, the first personal attack was when Timmy called Megan someone who was "so easily offended" for not wanting to watch family members OR people pissing in each other's mouth.....

Umm... First off I said there was worse things on the interwebs than family members getting naked on cam together, then threw out an outrageous example such as excrement shows, before Megan even entered the conversation. Even in the quote above, I say nothing about an excrement show to Megan, as stated before, it was an extreme hyperbole of an example used to prove a point, which people decided to jump all over and take it for more than it was.

Secondly, if you think saying "I'm sorry if you're offended by such and such" is a personal attack, you're obviously looking to be offended and cause drama. I have neither the time or the will to discuss this further with such a person.

When someone says something like you said above, "I'm sorry if you get so easily offended..." it's more of a back-handed apology than anything else and frankly, like back-handed compliments, it's a little insulting. It may not have been your intention, but it is how it comes across.

 

[Weirdtimmy]

I'd rather drown, so when my body is found, assuming I'm not eaten by a river monster, I can be identified.

See? How hard was that. I'm sorry if you get so easily offended if two people are comfortable being around each other in the nude and happen to be related. Last I checked, it's not the end of the world...

TBH, the first personal attack was when Timmy called Megan someone who was "so easily offended" for not wanting to watch family members OR people pissing in each other's mouth.....

Umm... First off I said there was worse things on the interwebs than family members getting naked on cam together, then threw out an outrageous example such as excrement shows, before Megan even entered the conversation. Even in the quote above, I say nothing about an excrement show to Megan, as stated before, it was an extreme hyperbole of an example used to prove a point, which people decided to jump all over and take it for more than it was.

Secondly, if you think saying "I'm sorry if you're offended by such and such" is a personal attack, you're obviously looking to be offended and cause drama. I have neither the time or the will to discuss this further with such a person.

When someone says something like you said above, "I'm sorry if you get so easily offended..." it's more of a back-handed apology than anything else and frankly, like back-handed compliments, it's a little insulting. It may not have been your intention, but it is how it comes across.

Must be a Niagara Falls thing. Everyone said it while I was growing up. Example "Well I'm sorry you feel this way, buuuut I'm going to have to disagree". Not meant to be taken offensively at all, just talking with a little more flavor than standard vernacular. I do find it strange, though, that having been a member on numerous forums and having used such a phrase thousands of times, this seems to be the first where it was taken in an offensive tone.

Regardless, my last post in this thread. This is tiresome.

 

[AllisonWilder]

You're talking primarily to women here...

And as LadyLuna's signature kindly points out, text is easy to misinterpret.

 

[LadyLuna]

I'm sorry if you get so easily offended if two people are comfortable being around each other in the nude and happen to be related.

I think the problem with this is not the "I'm sorry if" making it a back-handed apology. It's the whole implying that a person getting offended by incest is an "easily offended" thing. Saying that a person is easily offended is often seen as an insult. So what you said is akin to saying "I'm sorry if you're an idiot about this issue". Even if that wasn't your intention, that's how it seems to have been taken.

Incest has this stigma in our culture. We associate incest with abuse- as in, the incest is in itself an abuse, or as in the two children engaging in incest were being abused in other situations. Thus, to many people's emotions, saying that incest is no big deal comes across as saying abuse is not big deal, even though they are completely not the same thing.

For the record, I was touched by my mother when I was six. It was meant to be educational, not sexual (I asked what it felt like after she finished explaining sex to me), and I never actually felt like it did me any harm. Then again, she didn't touch for more than a half-second, probably closer to a nano-second, and the way she jerked her hand back told me volumes about how that was something she should not have done. And I never had the feeling from her that I did anything wrong, just that she had, along with a concern that I not be harmed from it.

Later, I was told what she did was wrong, and that it wasn't my fault, which basically confirmed everything I already knew about the experience. Somehow, even at 6, the idea that my mother could get/do something wrong wasn't foreign to me... Anyway, the whole thing was handled rather well. Both by my mother, and by the counselor who got the story out of me. The sad part is, it overshadowed something which affected me profoundly- being threatened by a complete stranger when I was five, leaving me to discover and deal with the incident on my own at the age of 20...

 

[Jessi J]

..... personally attacked numerous times for it, by people who claim to be open minded.

This is sadly becoming more common here. When someone states their opinion, if its at all controversial, or too long winded, it seems more than a few frequently jump right to the gutter and go all 2nd grade on that person instead of acting like rational educated adults. Some of you folks get unnecessarily judgmental and nasty really fast. I can't help but wonder if there's such a bipolar shift so easily over words, then in kind, I wonder if the sweet candy and lipgloss image you present for the world to see isn't simply a false mask to hide the real person....

I was lurking here, reading all of this and just wanted to quote you and say "thank you" for this post.

:twocents-02cents:
Do I think the mom and daughter on cam was wrong? Yes. Do I think it is incest, not by the definition of it, but I do think what they were doing was wrong. I don't agree with flashing with your parents around, but to each their own. I do not and have not ever thought incest was a turn on and will never feel that way in my life. I have never changed in front of my mom (after being able to change on my own) and could not ever foresee a situation in which I would NEED to change or be nude around my mother, much less feel the need to grope at her or place my body against her, even in a loving, non-sexual embrace.

Generalizing in this situation (among many others) is never going to work, because this is a very taboo subject that no one will ever agree on. Some people in this thread might be turned on by incestual actions, while others find it revolting. That's it. Not "every one does" or "most people do".

 

[goneforaburton]

Please tell me this guy's a troll? :?

To answer your question, yes Megan, he is!

No i am not. You however are just plain stupid. Get your tounge out of her ass you silly little idiot.


As for playboymegan herself. Do stop being such a whiny little spoiled brat because someone on the internet does not agree with you.


Sorry Amber/mods but this is getting really silly now. What a cracking little forum you have, but sadly some need to learn what a forum actually is and does. What is the point in have any disscussion at all on any subject if members are going to act in such a stupid way simply because they hold a diiferant view.


I think it was Timmy who said it is time to lock this thread, i think now is that time. Your call of course.

 

[LilyMarie]

sadly some need to learn what a forum actually is and does.

It sure as hell is NOT a place for you to call its members idiots or brats... :?


edit:
I wanted to report your post and it told me that your post has already been reported by someone.

Also, my opinion is that incest is wrong on all levels and I don't want to have anything to do with people who disagree. I guess I'm intolerant like that.

 

[Anonymous]

It's called sarcasm. Learn it. Furthermore, where have I posted "oddball shit"? I stated an opinion on a subject, in which I was personally attacked numerous times for it, by people who claim to be open minded. If anyone here is to be the eater of said dick, it's not going to be me. I don't need 50 thanks on a post to feel good about myself, I have my opinions, and some random on an internet forum isn't going to change my view on the world.

If it really was just sarcasm (and not just you backtracking, all of a sudden), then it was a bad joke which some of us took as you being serious. It's in poor taste to bring up breastfeeding mothers in a thread about incest.

A lot of double-standardry (I made that word up) from some of you men in this thread too. You'd probably go nuts and yell "WHAT THE FUCK?!" if you saw some dude and his father gettin' freaky on the front lawn...lol.

And I see you still won't STFU about the number of thanks people get on a post. It's not the end of the world if you don't have the highest ACF score and aren't the most popular ACF member...lol. Get over it. Here's a Kleenex...

 

[ScarletVixen]

edit:I wanted to report your post and it told me that your post has already been reported by someone.

That was me

 

[IsabellaSnow]

sadly some need to learn what a forum actually is and does.

It sure as hell is NOT a place for you to call its members idiots or brats... :?


edit:
I wanted to report your post and it told me that your post has already been reported by someone.

Also, my opinion is that incest is wrong on all levels and I don't want to have anything to do with people who disagree. I guess I'm intolerant like that.

Agree with everything you just said on this post.

Plus.... people who do have incest fantasies aren't generally thinking of their actual brothers/sisters/mothers/daughters/fathers, they're just imagining the situation and would probably be grossed out and horrified if it happened in real life. Obviously some are imagining real family members, and well, that is weird, but essentially, there are a lot of very weird people out there, doesn't mean we have to join them.
Like Lily I am also intolerant to this kind of thing, as are most people. I'm not sure how Megan not being cool with it makes her a brat? It's a pretty common opinion and I'm actually pretty shocked with what's been said on this thread. Maybe people who are saying it's cool are thinking hypothetical situations.

I also cannot believe that someone's even putting this stuff on par to it also being ok for gay, straight, white, black people doing what they like. Yes humans do some fucked up things, but from people who don't seem to have lived the actual situations who are you to say there are worse things? Just because it's fairly common for men to get hard over two sisters they don't know. Fact is rape and murder are both far more common than incest, does that mean that's ok? I don't think saying something's common is good grounds to stand on...