Mother and Daughter

[IsabellaSnow]

I feel like part of the problem here is the huge level of disconnect.
Getting your rocks off to the thought of 2 sisters getting it on together is NOT the same as this these situations play out in real life.

Somehow I doubt if one of your brothers and your father came out as being madly in love and banging each other every night you would be nearly as supportive. You would NOPE out of there so fast that your head would spin.
I REALLY HIGHLY doubt your first reaction would be "Hooray! Congratulations! As long as you both are happy that's what matters! Good luck in all your future endeavors and may your relationship be long and fulfilling!"

No. You would be traumatized and most likely spend countless hours replaying your childhood in your head trying to pinpoint the moment where things went wrong.

Exactly. I also doubt if you were married, had a child and then either your two children started sleeping together or your husband/wife started hooking up with your child you'd be happy about it, even if you and your husband/wife had separated. Easy to say "all cool" when you think it's hot and you don't know the background story/it doesn't personally effect you, but it still does not mean it's right.

 

[jackie_O]

The parent/child relationship is not built on equal footing. It's way too complex a bond for the child to ever really be able to understand and consent to anything sexual. Without consent, all you have is rape. So, no. It's not okay.

I feel that this comment did not get enough attention.

THIS is the problem with parent/child incest. Forget genetics, etc. It is about the level of power. Its the same problem with teacher/student in real life, even where the student is of age. There is a level of power that a parent has over a child, even a grown adult child, in that situation a child of adult age is still not able to properly consent to a sexual relationship with a parent.

 

[Rose]

What they really need to do is ban breast feeding. I think it's just a sick ploy by mothers to get the enjoyment of their nipples being sucked, without it being child abuse!

Yeah, this thread should be locked. Too much bullshit

Are you fucking kidding me?

First you say that incest babies come from Southern America and now you're saying it's wrong to breastfeed. You're the fucking problem if you see something wrong with breastfeeding a child. You would be one of the people to sexualize a necessary act to feed a child.

Also, take both your feet and shove them up your ass please. I absolutely HATE my breasts being touched in any form or fashion but as soon as this baby arrives I'll be breastfeeding. Not because it feels good or is fun, actually it's extremely painful. I'll be doing it because it's what's best for my baby.

You sir are a class A giant douchebag. I absolutely cannot believe how misinformed and ignorant your post was.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

What they really need to do is ban breast feeding. I think it's just a sick ploy by mothers to get the enjoyment of their nipples being sucked, without it being child abuse!

Yeah, this thread should be locked. Too much bullshit

Are you fucking kidding me?

First you say that incest babies come from Southern America and now you're saying it's wrong to breastfeed. You're the fucking problem if you see something wrong with breastfeeding a child. You would be one of the people to sexualize a necessary act to feed a child.

Also, take both your feet and shove them up your ass please. I absolutely HATE my breasts being touched in any form or fashion but as soon as this baby arrives I'll be breastfeeding. Not because it feels good or is fun, actually it's extremely painful. I'll be doing it because it's what's best for my baby.

You sir are a class A giant douchebag. I absolutely cannot believe how misinformed and ignorant your post was.

I think he was being sarcastic. Problem is, breast feeding is GOOD for a child. Fucking them, is not.

 

[NoelleBright]

Defending your right to fantasize about incest among sisters/mothers/whatever is one thing. Fantasize about all the sisters doing the dirty that you want, it's not hurting anyone. There's nothing wrong with fantasizing about it where there are no real people or real feelings or lives that are going to be ruined.

But COME ON. Have the decency to recognize that in reality, these type of relationships are harmful and unhealthy.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

The narcissism here is astonishing. Anything that gets a guys dick hard is okay. Why? Because they have the almighty dick and we know nothing. Fuck psychology! Fuck morality! It's all about the hard cock. Didn't you ladies know that?!

 

[Anonymous]

I think he was being sarcastic. Problem is, breast feeding is GOOD for a child. Fucking them, is not.

Also, I should add that it's common for new mothers to get cramps while in the middle of breastfeeding their newborn. I think it's even called post-labor contractions, but don't quote me on that. It doesn't feel good, however it's known to create a mother-baby bond and to be 'good for the baby'.

I commented earlier on that guy's little breastfeeding remark too, because I thought he was serious.

 

[16_bit]

Do guys find the idea of sisters or mother and daughters or aunt and neices getting it on together? answer is Hell yeah. Those that dont are few and far between and most of them would be telling a big fat porky.

Suppose people better start calling me Porky Pig then. I wouldn't say guys that don't get turned on by it are few and far between, i think there's plenty of guys who don't and they aren't lying. It's definitely common in men but not basically all but a few.

ya know, the whole reason incest is a bad thing has more to do with genetics than morality. that and the potential for psychological harm if not handled very very carefully. same sex incest? no chance of kids, so if the relationship is otherwise healthy why not? its not my cup of tea, but who is harmed by it?

Genetics is one of the main reasons, and it's why some places and the practise of Royal family members marrying family memebrs to keep it in the family has changed.
To the point i made earlier in the thread, would it really be fair to say gay/lesbian incest is ok but straight isn't? If the straight incest couple can't get pregnant for whatever reason, would it then be ok for them too?

The "thanks" thing on this thread has made me chuckle though as certain members have given thanks to 1 post and then to another post that has the complete oppersite opinion of the post they orginally gave the thanks to. (if that makes sense)

To add to The_Brown_Fox's post, you might not agree with what a person has said in their post but maybe the way in which they have put their point across.

I hope the thread doesn't get closed because someone thought it had gone far enough and made a comment to try and get it closed. There have been people who have been able to give the opposite view on incest, southsamurai has given a few different views from his own to a psychological one and everything has been ok.

 

[JickyJuly]

The idea that incest that cannot beget pregnancy is okay is ludicrous. We aren't animals that need to hump everything that turns us on. EVEN IF you (somehow, magically) don't personally see a moral problem with sexing a relative, there are logical reasons not to do so. No mother should have to hear over dinner some night that her children have decided it's reasonable to fuck one another.

Edited to ask: Are some of these people trolls? I feel like WeirdTim and Tubby might, in fact, be trolls.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Ladies can we stop calling it incest, it is not. They are the same sex and they are not having sexual intercourse. Their actions during the video fail to meet the legal,or even the common sense definition of incest. They grab boobs and rub butt checks. It is a mother and daughter flashing on camera and the daughter using a dildo without showing penetration.

We see on MFC all the time with two girls, and it is very popular. I don't know what you gals decide is sex between two woman, when you are calculating your "number", but I am pretty sure none of you would count their behavior as sex.

Incest is illegal and it is wrong and not even remotely erotic for me. If you find what the those two disgusting fine, but stop calling what these two did incest and condemn guys who find it erotic. For heaven sake stop playing amateur psychologist and pontificating about the damage it causes.

I know many of you have not told your family about your career, and many cases the family disapprove very strongly. Now I understand that most of you would find it very uncomfortable to appear on camera with your mom or your sister. But honestly if female members of your family reacted, with "damn you get make that much money to have guys tell you how desirable you are and have orgasm on camera that sounds like fun, could I do a show with you", after you told her, thanks but hell no!, won't you be pleased about their attitude?

 

[JickyJuly]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

 

[Evvie]

To all the extremely uneducated dudes who think the only way incest is incest is if it involves a dick:

yer stooooopid.

Incest is still incest whether or not it involves two males or two females.

The only way you can think otherwise is if you believe that two women literally cannot have sex with each other or the relationship between two women is sexually worthless unless it involves a penis.

For fuck's sake, I was actually sitting here laughing every time someone said, "NO. I didn't see a MAN there so it wasn't REAL, hahahaha you stupid sluts think two women can have a sexual relationship without a cock lololol"

Grow up, dudes. Just because there isn't dick there doesn't mean it isn't a real thing. Women are allowed to do shit without there being a penis in the room to make it possible.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

 

[Evvie]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

It's as common as brothers massaging each other's dicks.

I never recall touching my sister's breasts, at all, in our entire lives, and we are all very similar in age.

...Come to think of it, I never remember my mom giving me a titrub or my dad molesting my brother, either.

 

[Rose]

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

The only time I can think of an instance where a mother would touch her daughter's breasts would be if she was teaching her daughter how to perform a self breast exam, but even then, there wouldn't be a need for the mother to touch the daughter or vice versa.

Growing up with a sister within 3 years of my age, we never touched each other at all beyond a fully clothed hug. Barring the occasion where one of us would need help zipping a dress or tying a shirt.

I can remember two instances in my life where my mother had to touch me when I wasn't dressed. Once because I had a breast lump and asked her to see if she thought it was serious, it was large so she took me to the doctor where we found out it was benign. The second was after I had surgery and couldn't wipe my own ass. My mother was gracious enough to help me for a week until I could do it myself.

Beyond that, I can't think of any instances where it would be acceptable for female relatives to touch each other in that fashion.

 

[JickyJuly]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

I love me some porn, but you sir might have overdosed if you think that sister on sister action or mother on daughter action is "not uncommon".

 

[Evvie]

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

The only time I can think of an instance where a mother would touch her daughter's breasts would be if she was teaching her daughter how to perform a self breast exam, but even then, there wouldn't be a need for the mother to touch the daughter or vice versa.

Growing up with a sister within 3 years of my age, we never touched each other at all beyond a fully clothed hug. Barring the occasion where one of us would need help zipping a dress or tying a shirt.

I can remember two instances in my life where my mother had to touch me when I wasn't dressed. Once because I had a breast lump and asked her to see if she thought it was serious, it was large so she took me to the doctor where we found out it was benign. The second was after I had surgery and couldn't wipe my own ass. My mother was gracious enough to help me for a week until I could do it myself.

Beyond that, I can't think of any instances where it would be acceptable for female relatives to touch each other in that fashion.

I could see sisters getting in to a play fight and punching each other in the tit or something, but that's about it.

The only family where I've heard that the sisters touched each other "commonly" was a household where the children were constantly sexually abused by their parents.

So no, I'm going to say that it is not normal for sisters (or brothers) to sexually touch each other - barring early stages of development where kids sexually explore and don't know it's "sexual" at all. Once kids realize what all the bits are for, I think things change.

 

[jackie_O]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

"Very common" seriously?

My mother had never and would never touch me or engage with me on cam like that, and if she had you could damn well bet there would be grounds for abuse claims.

 

[NoelleBright]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

Oh yeah? Then lets replace the mom and daughter with a father and son and have them caress each others ballsacks and hear you say it's appropriate.
Did your father caress your balls? Is that common?

 

[16_bit]

Ladies can we stop calling it incest, it is not. They are the same sex and they are not having sexual intercourse. Their actions during the video fail to meet the legal,or even the common sense definition of incest. They grab boobs and rub butt checks. It is a mother and daughter flashing on camera and the daughter using a dildo without showing penetration.

I would just like to point out that while it was stated earlier that one definition of incest is sexual intercourse between family members, in the dictionary in my house it says incest is the sexual relations between family members. Not saying one if right and the other wrong, just that there is no one commonly accepted definition. It can vary from the source of the definition, the country and/or the state/province in the country and a persons own definition.
When it comes to law, it comes down to the country and where appropiate, state and/or province. But laws aren't always perfect and can change.

 

[TashaDutch]

I'm sorry if you get so easily offended if two people are comfortable being around each other in the nude and happen to be related. Last I checked, it's not the end of the world...

ok.. two people who are related beeing naked together is something TOTALLY different from pressing your boobs against your mom or sister in a sexual manner on a PORNSITE
like others said.. if thats all normal and sexy... so should a dad slapping his daughter in the face with his dick be..

EDIT: it sounds more like some people are offended by us thinking that its not appropiate.. instead us beeing offended by familly members sexing up online.. :shock:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

What planet are you from? :shock:
Please don't have children.

 

[jackie_O]

What do you feel is the proper term for a mother touching her daughter in a sexual way and watching her perform sexual acts?

Exhibitionism. They grabbed each other boobs, which I imagine is very common behavior among sisters and not uncommon among mother and daughter. Although semi-nude on camera is rare.

What planet are you from? :shock:
Please don't have children.

In a 100% honestly sincere, not patronizing way, I worry about your (HiGirlsRHot, not you Megan) upbringing and if there weren't issues. That kind of thing is very very not normal, and I worry that something bad happened and normalized it for you.

 

[SatanJonez]

Leaving this here.

in·cest
   [in-sest]
noun
1.
sexual intercourse between closely related persons.

 

[AmberCutie]

I feel like things in here got very blown out of proportion.

I do not believe that burton is a troll, he just has an unpopular opinion and feels strongly about it. In fact, I think I thanked one of his posts because he said something to the tune of "it isn't hurting you, so why be so upset about it". There are a few topics that I think could be helped by this mindset sometimes. But people like to argue, regardless of if it effects them or not.

If you look at the origins of why incest was made illegal (in some places, mind you there ARE areas where it is not illegal) would it not come down to the avoidance of inbreeding and child abuse? I know that society being morally opposed to it has made it much more than that, but I just figured I'd bring this up as a devil's advocate sort of post to get peoples' minds working in a different fashion instead of such black and white, good or bad.

Back when I would see JustAmber on cam with her mom and sister and all their boobies were out, my first reaction wasn't to yell "OMG INCEST!" but I did sort of see it as a little awkward. I don't recall them ever touching each other or if toys were ever used in front of each other, though. Not sure how I would have felt if I watched that, but if others enjoyed it it's not really my place to tell them they're not worthy of bearing children because they did.

:twocents-02cents:

Edited to add: If I had a sister and was naked in a room with her while changing clothes or whatever, and she reached over and pinched my nipple or squeezed a boob, I wouldn't feel like any laws were broken, nor any moral boundaries were stepped on. Now, if we were finger-banging each other every day, that may be a different story. There are always gray areas.

 

[TashaDutch]

I feel like things in here got very blown out of proportion.

I do not believe that burton is a troll, he just has an unpopular opinion and feels strongly about it. In fact, I think I thanked one of his posts because he said something to the tune of "it isn't hurting you, so why be so upset about it". There are a few topics that I think could be helped by this mindset sometimes. But people like to argue, regardless of if it effects them or not.

If you look at the origins of why incest was made illegal (in some places, mind you there ARE areas where it is not illegal) would it not come down to the avoidance of inbreeding and child abuse? I know that society being morally opposed to it has made it much more than that, but I just figured I'd bring this up as a devil's advocate sort of post to get peoples' minds working in a different fashion instead of such black and white, good or bad.

Back when I would see JustAmber on cam with her mom and sister and all their boobies were out, my first reaction wasn't to yell "OMG INCEST!" but I did sort of see it as a little awkward. I don't recall them ever touching each other or if toys were ever used in front of each other, though. Not sure how I would have felt if I watched that, but if others enjoyed it it's not really my place to tell them they're not worthy of bearing children because they did.

:twocents-02cents:

Edited to add: If I had a sister and was naked in a room with her while changing clothes or whatever, and she reached over and pinched my nipple or squeezed a boob, I wouldn't feel like any laws were broken, nor any moral boundaries were stepped on. Now, if we were finger-banging each other every day, that may be a different story. There are always gray areas.

i agree with you.. and my posts were only about the actual sex happening.. i count touching eachother boobs, spooning while standing, and mastrubate infront of close relatives..
i've seen girls that have their mom flash on cam as well.. not really bothered by that..

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

To all the extremely uneducated dudes who think the only way incest is incest is if it involves a dick:

yer stooooopid.

Incest is still incest whether or not it involves two males or two females.

The only way you can think otherwise is if you believe that two women literally cannot have sex with each other or the relationship between two women is sexually worthless unless it involves a penis.

For fuck's sake, I was actually sitting here laughing every time someone said, "NO. I didn't see a MAN there so it wasn't REAL, hahahaha you stupid sluts think two women can have a sexual relationship without a cock lololol"

Grow up, dudes. Just because there isn't dick there doesn't mean it isn't a real thing. Women are allowed to do shit without there being a penis in the room to make it possible.

I understand this is upsetting to many models and I am sorry about this.
I posted the legal definition to incest earlier in the forum as well as link to the legal definition in all 50 state.

Here from Wiki on Incest "Incest is sexual intercourse between family members and close relatives"
From Dictionary.com "sexual intercourse between closely related persons. "

Now it is fair point that just because an action isn't incest and is legal doesn't make it right.
.
Is what they are doing inappropriate? sure. would I am comfortable if my family members or close friends did the same? hell no.
Have I been desensitized to the behavior because I've watched too much porn? hell ya.

Do I think that mother and daughter are going to be scared for life by one drunk video? In truth no not really. I accept that other feel differently.
Regarding the boob grabbing, I didn't mean necessarily mean in sexual way, and really referring sister sister contact not mother/daughter. I stand corrected as to how common it is. I definitely remember a two set of twins in high school that did it at parties, after booze, and the same thing from sisters who were in a sorority. My two older sisters are a couple of year apart, and in their frequent cat fights. My younger sister would grab my older sister boobs and twist, which would cause my older sister to protest to mom. They've since grown up to be responsible adults.

I got advice from a model, who's opinion I respect that I should stop digging so I will.

Aloha

 

[AmberCutie]

Leaving this here.

in·cest
   [in-sest]
noun
1.
sexual intercourse between closely related persons.

I thanked this because when it really comes down to it, what happened on that video, or in JustAmber's room, is not actual incest to this dictionary definition. It may be a gray area in morality and social taboo, and make some people uncomfortable or "grossed out"... but doesn't fit the actual definition of incest.

Maybe I didn't watch enough of the video. Did the mom actually hold the dildo and shove it into the daughter's vajay? Or was she using it on herself while her mom sat there and looked at the computer screen? I know there was mention of boobs touching, but did any intercourse happen?

 

[JoleneBrody]

Thankedy thank thank thank! This is actually a REALLY interesting thread!

 

[TashaDutch]

Maybe I didn't watch enough of the video. Did the mom actually hold the dildo and shove it into the daughter's vajay? Or was she using it on herself while her mom sat there and looked at the computer screen? I know there was mention of boobs touching, but did any intercourse happen?

no, but to be honest i always found that description of 'sex' weird.. intercourse sounds even weirder.. sounds more like a legal or medical term to me..
i think everything from french kissing to giving head in foreplay is 'sex'
so yeah i consider touching boobs and leaning onto someone naked.. a part of sex and i dont do that with close relatives like my mom or sister..
i'm not all.. you're the devil and fuck you!.. but i do find it strange behavier.. and i would probably not 'hang' with people who do that...

EDITTED
there is a difference between the video and tease pinching boobs
this is what i call tease pinching:


rubbing boobs and all that shit is different to me...