Models showing everything and leaving "nothing" to the imagination

[MarlieJane]

Bro, I mean no harm when I say this, I just want to help. Shut Up.

 

[Carmita Bonita]

I'm not sure why you think your opinions count as highly as "giving back" to the camming community? Are you donating $$ to sex work organizations?? lmao like your opinions aren't offering any one anything great or life changing--you're not making webcamming better for ppl by your one preference that comes off as judgey & unnecessary to these models. Don't like a model? Click next and move on. Your opinion on not liking nudity in freechat is hardly some "wow amazing, thank you random man for giving your extensive knowledge to cam models". For someone who "isn't bothered" you sure have a LOT to say and assume about these models.

 

[Marceline]

It hurts the model/s, in the end

For some models, it may hurt their tips. For some, it may help. If someone thinks that nudity and being explicit will draw paying members to their room, then just let them do their thing. Why give a shit about what other people are doing in their rooms? And why care if they are or aren't making money? This job is not for everyone and if their hustle isn't working and they're not enjoying themselves they can either change up the way they run their room or move on to another job, whether that be in the adult industry or in another industry.

it hurts other models who won't do "that kind of stuff in free/guest chat."

As already stated in this thread, no, it doesn't. The guys who frequent rooms where there's always nudity and explicit public shows without tipping aren't going to start tipping other models if the models who do free public shows and nudity quit or changed the way they run their rooms. They'd either go find free porn on the internet or wait around in another model's room until someone else tipped for flashes or their countdown got met.

The guys who pay for their adult entertainment are generally looking for more than just nudity and masturbation. Not to say they don't want that, but there's usually more to it than just that. Enjoying the model's personality, their distinct look, the connection they feel with them, or something they offer that they feel like others don't.

For example, I primarily make content now. I only do waist up nudity. No actual masturbation or sex. There's a buttload of free or very cheap porn on the internet, yet, my content (which is in the pricier range compared to what I see as the industry standard) still sells very well. Why? Because I'm offering something that the members who purchase my content find unique and want to see and aren't finding with free porn. It's really that simple. The fact that free porn exists doesn't affect me negatively. If anything, it keeps the annoying dudes away who would just bug me about my prices.

For the people who are not comfortable "performing," don't do it. For people who are new to this job and "love" doing this work, this is the perfect job. If the entire country gets shut down again (which should've never been shut down in the 1st place), webcam models are still able to work. Just like with porn, I get so sick and tired of the people who say "I tried the webcams because I was broke/desperate sob stories"

I feel like this has to be addressed. Camming, content creating, phone sex and everything else that falls under the adult entertainment/sex worker umbrella is a job. We don't have to love every single second of it. Hell, we don't have to "love" doing sex work at all. As long as you're not being forced or coerced into doing it, then whatever reason you have for doing sex work is valid. I get that it can be seen as different when you're doing sex work, but still, it's not seen as terrible when someone is working a retail job or a hard labor job and they don't love what they are doing. So why should it be seen as terrible if a fully capable adult makes the conscious decision to get naked on the internet for money? I'm not trying to sound callous, but damn, I just don't understand caring this much about what another adult willfully does with their own body, time and life.

 

[KenzieCams]

On paper i think you're right danny but i think the reality is the majority of models arent thinking "i might fuck over "X" models if i do free public shows" this is never going to change

I don't think another model can fuck other models in this way. Members don't see all models the same. If a petite blonde model gets naked and fucks herself immediately, but the brunette bbw stays fully clothed- his deciding factors aren't going to be sexual content. If he likes thicc brunette girls, he will forgo seeing action and still stay in brunette's room. It isn't like a strip club where any model will do. Cam members are loyal to a select few.

It really does not matter what another cam model is doing. My business plan is unique to me and me alone.

 

[Smoothie]

Members don't see all models the same. If a petite blonde model gets naked and fucks herself immediately, but the brunette bbw stays fully clothed- his deciding factors aren't going to be sexual content. If he likes thicc brunette girls, he will forgo seeing action and still stay in brunette's room. It isn't like a strip club where any model will do. Cam members are loyal to a select few.

I agree with this. I’ll stay in the room of a fully-clothed model that fits “my type” all day long. Nudity (while fun) is not going to make me stick around if the model isn’t what I am looking for at that moment.

 

[Just_A_Guy]

Not that my opinion counts, I am not a model, just a guy. I have not read all the posts, but I agree with those who say that they might well being tipped on other sites. I also agree with those who say that your question comes off as weird, as I don't get how what other people are doing should be anything of your concerns. I mean, I know I might sound pretty basic, but how can I say, as a man, I have never questioned, raised concerns or casted doubts about the reasons why a woman gets naked IRL or on a site. Couldn't be me. Who cares. That said, on a more serious note, I can assure you that, as a paying member of a camsite, the fact that a woman is naked or fully dressed has always had zero impact on my decision to tip her on a site.

I'm broadcasting on more than one site

I get that you are a male model. I can tell you for a fact that 100% of the male models on cb are naked all the time, but you get the option to block them.

 

[yummybrownfox]

All you can really do is just focus on your room, and the things you offer. No point in stressing out about it. Anyone who comes to my room expecting a free ANYTHING (Other than conversation and a smile) will be in for a rude awakening. I don't give a fuck what they were able to get from this, that, and the other model. Cool, so then go back to those rooms then?

When tipped for it, I give a pretty magnificent tits flash (Bouncing them up and down on the bed) and ass flash (Clapping my ass), if I do say so myself. Requests to flash other body parts (Feet, etc.) or to stand and turn, etc. will require a tip, and if you want me to use my vibrator you will need to go PRIVATE. There are members who seem disappointed that I don't use a Lush (OMG, a model who doesn't have a Lush? How dare she!), and that's fine. Plenty of other rooms they can go to for that. No need to stay in my room whining "WhY nOt?" Because I don't want one, and I get to decide what to do with MY body...that's why.

 

[James_and_Aiden]

Danny, we do fully clothed on every platform, unless tipped or taken private, and make more just down to our personality.

This works for us, but it won’t work for those who lack in that department.

We used to report 100+ models per day on Streamate who were breaking the rules, but more just flood in. When there’s less nudity, we perform much better, but we no longer look at what they’re doing.

Best thing to do is focus on you and forget what everyone is doing.

 

[rockin_rod]

Huh? to this entire thread......

 

[Danigirl]

I'm fully nude a ton of the time because that's what I like and I make more in free chat on average than I do at 120tk/min private for the hour. I'm not sad, depressed, or having desperation in my eyes. Focus on your room.

 

[Life_Happens]

I would still tip the model showing "everything" but if I were to employ your frame of mind, I would just get off for free. But, wouldn't that just leave more tokens for other models who I enjoy? I think so, and I would then gladly spend those tokens on my other favs

 

[MallorieReese]

"It hurts the models in the end."
Does it, really? How do you know what is best for them? There are so many niches and so many approaches cam girls use that there isn't a one size fits all that could help them. Even if you might have been a member for a couple of years, you are still not entitled to throw shame at them for being naked in free chat. Maybe they are multistreaming. Maybe their niche is this. Maybe it works to attract traffic in their room. So stop sounding bothered and go to another chatroom, lol.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

Not that my opinion counts, I am not a model, just a guy. I have not read all the posts, but I agree with those who say that they might well being tipped on other sites. I also agree with those who say that your question comes off as weird, as I don't get how what other people are doing should be anything of your concerns. I mean, I know I might sound pretty basic, but how can I say, as a man, I have never questioned, raised concerns or casted doubts about the reasons why a woman gets naked IRL or on a site. Couldn't be me. Who cares. That said, on a more serious note, I can assure you that, as a paying member of a camsite, the fact that a woman is naked or fully dressed has always had zero impact on my decision to tip her on a site.


I get that you are a male model. I can tell you for a fact that 100% of the male models on cb are naked all the time, but you get the option to block them.

Wasn't really a question. I understand for example on the site flirt4free which has guys getting naked because they're getting tipped to "show." If people want to get naked for free or not, that's their choice. It just seems to me the guys, ladies, and/or transgenders showing everything are just missing out on money in the short term and/or long term. Just an observation. No disrespect intended with my comments. Just throwing that out there, because I know I won't take a model into a private show if they're giving too much away, but that's just me. I'm not everybody and I don't speak for everybody. Some people will agree with me, and some won't. I get it. If seeing a model naked gets you to take a model private, fine. Whatever works for you.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

For some models, it may hurt their tips. For some, it may help. If someone thinks that nudity and being explicit will draw paying members to their room, then just let them do their thing. Why give a shit about what other people are doing in their rooms? And why care if they are or aren't making money? This job is not for everyone and if their hustle isn't working and they're not enjoying themselves they can either change up the way they run their room or move on to another job, whether that be in the adult industry or in another industry.




As already stated in this thread, no, it doesn't. The guys who frequent rooms where there's always nudity and explicit public shows without tipping aren't going to start tipping other models if the models who do free public shows and nudity quit or changed the way they run their rooms. They'd either go find free porn on the internet or wait around in another model's room until someone else tipped for flashes or their countdown got met.

The guys who pay for their adult entertainment are generally looking for more than just nudity and masturbation. Not to say they don't want that, but there's usually more to it than just that. Enjoying the model's personality, their distinct look, the connection they feel with them, or something they offer that they feel like others don't.

For example, I primarily make content now. I only do waist up nudity. No actual masturbation or sex. There's a buttload of free or very cheap porn on the internet, yet, my content (which is in the pricier range compared to what I see as the industry standard) still sells very well. Why? Because I'm offering something that the members who purchase my content find unique and want to see and aren't finding with free porn. It's really that simple. The fact that free porn exists doesn't affect me negatively. If anything, it keeps the annoying dudes away who would just bug me about my prices.



I feel like this has to be addressed. Camming, content creating, phone sex and everything else that falls under the adult entertainment/sex worker umbrella is a job. We don't have to love every single second of it. Hell, we don't have to "love" doing sex work at all. As long as you're not being forced or coerced into doing it, then whatever reason you have for doing sex work is valid. I get that it can be seen as different when you're doing sex work, but still, it's not seen as terrible when someone is working a retail job or a hard labor job and they don't love what they are doing. So why should it be seen as terrible if a fully capable adult makes the conscious decision to get naked on the internet for money? I'm not trying to sound callous, but damn, I just don't understand caring this much about what another adult willfully does with their own body, time and life.

Thank you for your responses. I agree with a "majority" of what you're saying. Being that webcam modeling has and is still a positive experience for me, I was just throwing these words out there to express my concern about what I consider to be some of the "negatives" of the industry. I'm glad to read/see you are successful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but because of CO-VID 19, you either have a greater "connection/s" with people now, and/or receive more business post-CO-VID 19 now then ever before, right? Connections are more crucial now due to BS lockdowns where people can't go outside and just, worst case scenario, "want somebody to talk to." I sympathize with the connection. I've been doing porn off and on for the last decade, and even though guests have seen 1 or several of my porn movies leaked out on the internet, they still pay me very well for my time because they enjoy our "connection." I was grateful then and am grateful to this day for their time. As I told another person in a previous response, I don't want to receive a "party pooper trophy." I just get annoyed at people who, like porn, don't know how to hustle, regret doing this line of work afterwards but not during the time they were making a lot or a little bit of money, and/or hearing about sob story #...I stopped counting. We're all adults and we all have choices to make, whether it's this industry or anywhere/anything else. I don't go into cam rooms to insult a model for showing nudity. I just want a little more nudity-free teasing before I take a model into a private show. I'm not everybody and I don't speak for everybody. No disrespect intended in my comments, just voicing my opinion/s. Have a good day/night depending on what time you read/see this response, and be safe.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

That's nice, but you can go about it without shaming people who hustle differently. Disagree all you want, but this is the reality.

Personally I don't care what other people do in their room. By them "showing it all for free" it has zero impact on my earnings. The people who see me want to pay to see me even if there is someone doing a free show right next to me.

BTW, not shaming people, just voicing my opinion/s. No disrespect intended with my comments. Also, I have never gone into a model's room to "shame them." Never have, never will.

 

[AudriTwo]

BTW, not shaming people, just voicing my opinion/s. No disrespect intended with my comments. Also, I have never gone into a model's room to "shame them." Never have, never will.

your actions/words can still be shameful even if it's not your intention. models are telling you that your thread is doing so. maybe you should listen and learn why we feel that way instead of trying to gatekeep criticism. it's like a weak jedi trick that has no power here.

understand completely you are sharing your opinion. if you are going to voice your opinions to us, you are more than likely going to get others discussing their opinions on your opinion.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I think your comments about your personal preferences are the snag here. It seems like when you posted you sort of applied your preferences about what you like (teasing in free/moving to private) to everyone. The reality is this is one type of member behavior but it's far from the norm. As I'm sure you now realize, you are not the target market for models who do get nude in free chat.

The issue where folks felt judged in here was when you started extrapolating that assumption about members spending habits into something that causes harm to others. We try to look after each other in this industry, especially on this forum. So when someone says "your behavior As a model is harming your fellow models" its a pretty heavy accusation. And in this case, because it doesn't actually check out...we get heated about it.

 

[WickedTouch]

Broadcasters can often multistream, performing on several sites simultaneously. This can mean that when they earn tips on one site, other sites with observing customers will not see or even hear the model being tipped. Therefore, if a model is being tipped hundreds of tokens on site A, the viewing audience on other sites B, C, D etc probably would not even know. This multistreaming option is very common in camland, mostly used by studio models as instructed by their bosses, in order to try and maximise income as much as possible.

OP... Next time you see a model performing for "nothing", it could probably mean that the audience in the room on the site from which you are watching (including you) are just not tipping, but generous souls watching in another place... far far away, probably are tipping.

Think outside of the box.

 

[Amberladyx]

So many models (not all) just giving away way too much out there for the whole world to see. I understand some sites allow nudity in a party chat/tipping setting, but it's a shame when you see models just "masturbating/f-----g somebody else and/or more than one person" hoping for some gold. Keep this in mind for the models who give way too much away. It hurts the model/s, in the end, and it hurts other models who won't do "that kind of stuff in free/guest chat." Throwing that out there (respectfully).

Honestly, it depends...personally, i don't have much viewers, and i started making experiments. being just chatting in my bikini, or top and thong, or my pretty face just teasing, was not getting me anywhere. As soon as i went "hardcore" mode, in despair, i got instantly more viewers, and tips coming in..but had also the other way around. Sometimes the nudity does not work, cause guys prefer "mistery" like they say ehehe....So, it depends...and depends also on the guy. some like it hardcore/straight to the business (its arousing cause they're in that mood), others the private parts covered. Like the persona u put on this. Some girls are shy, spontaneous, chatty, speak their minds (i love this type personally), and others seem like a character, or a bit phony: the hard to get mode, numb like, expressionless almost, "blasé" attitude, or yeah. the "i'm classy pffff". i mean, i observe a lot of stuff and it's all good!

So many models (not all) just giving away way too much out there for the whole world to see. I understand some sites allow nudity in a party chat/tipping setting, but it's a shame when you see models just "masturbating/f-----g somebody else and/or more than one person" hoping for some gold. Keep this in mind for the models who give way too much away. It hurts the model/s, in the end, and it hurts other models who won't do "that kind of stuff in free/guest chat." Throwing that out there (respectfully).

 

[Amberladyx]

I think your comments about your personal preferences are the snag here. It seems like when you posted you sort of applied your preferences about what you like (teasing in free/moving to private) to everyone. The reality is this is one type of member behavior but it's far from the norm. As I'm sure you now realize, you are not the target market for models who do get nude in free chat.

The issue where folks felt judged in here was when you started extrapolating that assumption about members spending habits into something that causes harm to others. We try to look after each other in this industry, especially on this forum. So when someone says "your behavior As a model is harming your fellow models" its a pretty heavy accusation. And in this case, because it doesn't actually check out...we get heated about it.

 

[Amberladyx]

i agree! at the end of the day it's the streamer, cammer, whatever u wanna call it, that chooses it's "strategy", or whatever feels more comfortable doing.

 

[Just_A_Guy]

If seeing a model naked gets you to take a model private, fine. Whatever works for you.

Actually, I was saying the exact opposite, but I might have worded my thoughts not clearly. But I mean, its just me. Anyway, whatever floats one's boat, I agree. Not familiar with the site you mentioned, so I cannot tell and have no idea. No disrespect intended on my part, either.

just missing out on money in the short term and/or long term

Personally, I disagree on this, as there's no such a thing as money you might be missing out. Potential money simply doesn't exist, The only money which counts are the money in your pocket. Potential money does not exits. What do exist are potential markets, and sure, money generated by them. I guess just like in any business, different models, different strategies, different target markets.

For instance, let's say I sell flip flops at 1000$, do you think my market is the same as those who sell flip flops at 1$. Different markets. I absolutely do not care about those who buy 1$ dollar flip flops, as they could never afford in their life my 1000$ flip flops. Not to mention that you need to sell 1000 of your flip flop to make the profit I make by selling just a pair of flip flop. This is not true, but just and example to get the point across. But that doesn't mean that those who sell 1$ flip flop aren't making business and making money. Also, they couldn't care less either about those who sell 1000$ flip flop, because their market is different. Which by the way, in other terms, is exactly what two male models here in the thread have suggested. Just like in any business, differentiate and focus on what you are doing. I mean, even commodities desperatly try to differentiate themselves. Let's just think about toilet paper. Just my 2 cents.

 

[blayze_noir]

I'm trying to hustle getting people in the room to make tips. Sometimes being clothed does it, sometime being naked does it. Today I spent an hour dressed pretty nice, teasing and whatnot, for a roomful of models. No real users. If after an hour the only people coming in my room are other models the clothes are coming off. If the fish aren't biting you gotta try different bait.

 

[Mel1]

Although I'm on chaturbate, I'm not used to being naked until I get tipped, I've often been judged somewhat "just get naked what are you waiting for? Show something if you want money", but that's how I choose, I don't judge other models, everyone does as he wants,.

 

[Dannyhomebody]

I'm not sure why you think your opinions count as highly as "giving back" to the camming community? Are you donating $$ to sex work organizations?? lmao like your opinions aren't offering any one anything great or life changing--you're not making webcamming better for ppl by your one preference that comes off as judgey & unnecessary to these models. Don't like a model? Click next and move on. Your opinion on not liking nudity in freechat is hardly some "wow amazing, thank you random man for giving your extensive knowledge to cam models". For someone who "isn't bothered" you sure have a LOT to say and assume about these models.

Respectfully disagree. Was just voicing my opinion. No disrespect intended. I don't judge people in and/or outside of the webcam world. Never have, never will. We can agree or disagree, either way I respect and value your opinion. BTW, I've never donated to a "sex work organization." Not striving to earn a "party pooper award." Some people agree with what I said, and other don't. I've respected and listened to opinions on both sides.

I noticed you're "Simpsons quote." Do you respectfully disagree with me, or do you just disagree anytime a man says something you disagree with due to a "pro-misandry mentality?"

 

[Dannyhomebody]

Just throwing out my opinion. It was never my intention to make anybody mad. I'm not better than anybody and I never will be. I'm not the top model on any of the cam sites I work on, and never will be, but I live comfortably in the webcam world. I consider myself a "happy medium." I try to "respectfully" throw my opinions out there, and if we agree, great. If we don't, I still respect and value you and everybody else's opinion, and listen/read responses with an open mind. Thank you for responding.

 

[Sxmxr]

Yes the end of the year is approaching and everyone is back online looking to probably save up some money for taxes, holiday gifts, etc. I’ve had members tell me why should I pay for a show when someone else is doing it for free. I tell them well that person is not me and you are free to go there.
Then I have those spending 100-1000 feeling like I owe them some kind of grand squirt show because “so many others” so it.
So yeah I can agree with OP when many have low standards the bar is set lower.

 

[englishmuffins]

Those that say “why should I pay when others are doing it for free” were likely never going to pay in the first place. Shouldn’t really affect your earnings any ways to be honest if you’re already attracting cash flow.

On SM specifically, there is a model who masturbates in her panties in free chat, does low gold shows, and she is in the top 100 in contests.

To each their own and their own hustle. Can it be frustrating for models to see others doing things for free or low tokens/gold? Sure. Do I care and does it affect my livelihood? Nope.

I am in full control what standards I have in my room, what members can expect of me, my prices, and am in competition with only myself.

 

[KenzieCams]

Some people agree with what I said, and other don't. I've respected and listened to opinions on both sides.

Much love, but literally no one has agreed with it, bro. That's why we are still having this discussion with you.

 

[Carmita Bonita]

Respectfully disagree. Was just voicing my opinion. No disrespect intended. I don't judge people in and/or outside of the webcam world. Never have, never will. We can agree or disagree, either way I respect and value your opinion. BTW, I've never donated to a "sex work organization." Not striving to earn a "party pooper award." Some people agree with what I said, and other don't. I've respected and listened to opinions on both sides.

I noticed you're "Simpsons quote." Do you respectfully disagree with me, or do you just disagree anytime a man says something you disagree with due to a "pro-misandry mentality?"

I used the quote because in this industry there is a large amount of men (in the industry or not) constantly insisting their opinions on how people work are life changing & helpful. When you complain about ppls "sob stories" & calling models desperate uhh hell yes you are judging them. You can wrap it up with all the "respectfully disagrees" and "not bothered by it"'s but clearly you're still shaming them. It doesn't at all sound like it's from a place of compassion but of annoyance and disdain. The sex industry is one that is easily accessible for people who are unable to hold regular jobs & some people will share their struggles more openly.

This argument has been around for ages--there was a time when doing public shows on mfc in like 2010 was a big scandal or when 10 girl studio parties were "ruining the industry for other models". Recently, there were arguments about how $5 onlyfans girls ruin everything. There's always something someone is doing that someone else can say is ruining the market for them but in the end, people pay for what they like and support who they want regardless if they're nude or not. You came across as super judgey and yeah, it's your opinion but this is a forum & we're free to express our opinions in response to that. And YES sex workers can be terrible to other sex workers--you being a cam model yourself doesn't change my opinions on you shaming other models for their hustle. Whorarchy is a thing.

Also idk where you're going with this "party pooper" award thing constantly--I don't think you're a prude or a party pooper I just think you're very judgmental to these models who are just trying to make $.