MFC Gripes

[mynameisbob84]

This is a bit like buying a pack of condoms and expecting to be able to fuck any woman you want :-D

 

[BlueViolet]

Or like buying a laptop and getting mad when you find out that most people password protect their wifi.

 

[Jessi]

This is a bit like buying a pack of condoms and expecting to be able to fuck any woman you want :-D

WHOOO MOAR ANALOGIES

Yelling at the drive thru worker cos yer burger dun look like it do in the commercial

 

[Evvie]

...this is silly.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I don't charge to pm me. My pms are open all the time. I ignore anything I don't want to read and ban people that dont fuck off when I ask.

 

[morment]

...this is silly.

I kind of like the random analogies people have been coming up with.

 

[BlueViolet]

...this is silly.

I kind of like the random analogies people have been coming up with.

I would be most pleased if this thread just turned into a list of plausible analogies instead of what it started as.

 

[ComicOzzie]

In any case I am left wondering, why did I pay money to become a premium member? I have to pay more to pm (which may have been fine had I known before) and basics/guests get free shows in public chat?

I am able to PM with dozens of models and I've never paid a token to do so. Of course, I take the time to actually becomes friends with them first. :dance:

 

[caireen]

I'm gonna be really unliked for this, but I do see where the OP is coming from. It's just being nitpicky with what MFC promises. He hasn't actually criticized us models or said that he is unwilling to tip for PM privileges. If it's not totally false advertising then at least it's a little bit misleading.

Probably not the best place to bring his complaint though.

 

[trotskyleon]

I dont charge for my PM list!

But I only add people I personally like. And you seem pretty mean. :snooty: Models are people, and we can refuse interaction from you if we want to, just like real life.

If you feel that this is false advertising, just email the admin. Whining to us solves nothing.

Lol. Mean for doing what?

Its not really whining, but just getting your thoughts. One letter from me, MFC are not gonna give a shit. If i can get more members and particularly models to agree, then MFC will update the rules and make changes.

It seems most of your are under the impression that:

1. I am a cheap scumbag;
2. Became premium just to pm;
3. Only to use pm to annoy and bother models; and
4. Will never buy tokens again.

All of the above, are merely assumptions based on nothing apart from a few posts (posts that were directed at MFC and not you models). If you know me, you realise also all the above do not apply to me either . But I guess you have to be judgemental stick a face/personality to the text.

Surely its in your best interest as models, to ensure MFC advertises clearly?

The non-gaurantee liability clause is almost invalid/illegal. IF you are paying for a service and that service is misrepresented - no non-liablity clause can save you. Whoever posted that - should read my first post. I have already read the T&Cs.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I have issues with every camsite's advertising.

SM likes to pretend it's a dating site.

MFC likes to pretend everything is free.

That's pretty much how advertising is done though. It's up to you as the consumer to be smart enough to look past all the bullshit.

Does it suck? Yes. But seriously, an hour on MFC and you'd see many many models charging for PM priviledges. As an excercise, I'm going to go on there right now and see how long it takes me to learn this information.

3 minutes.

 

[trotskyleon]

Veronica, different people go about it in different ways. Totally agree with you on the advertising though. Doesnt mean we should leave it as is though. Its harder with adult sites to fight it as most people don't want to get the attention.

You checked out the models for 3 minutes where as I spent 3 minutes reading the manual.

What pissed me off though, was one of my favourite models (who has been on mfc for at least a month now i think), only recently realised that we members can watch privates again and as much as we want. She was totally surprised when someone told her. I naturally thought that all models knew this. She said that it was not mentioned anywhere on the manual! And she is the type of girl to research everything before hand too.

I am just saying MFC needs to update their manuals etc, and really its up to you models to push them to do that. Us members perhaps we can do it, but not without the support of models.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Veronica, different people go about it in different ways. Totally agree with you on the advertising though. Doesnt mean we should leave it as is though. Its harder with adult sites to fight it as most people don't want to get the attention.

You checked out the models for 3 minutes where as I spent 3 minutes reading the manual.

What pissed me off though, was one of my favourite models (who has been on mfc for at least a month now i think), only recently realised that we members can watch privates again and as much as we want. She was totally surprised when someone told her. I naturally thought that all models knew this. She said that it was not mentioned anywhere on the manual! And she is the type of girl to research everything before hand too.

I am just saying MFC needs to update their manuals etc, and really its up to you models to push them to do that. Us members perhaps we can do it, but not without the support of models.

Private shows and private galleries are discussed here (Rules for models > instructions and features) and it actually even tells models how to exclude themselves from the galleries. http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Instructions_and_Features#Archives

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Of all the things to complain about involving MFC from a member's point of view... This just doesn't seem to be something I'd put as number one on the list.

 

[RogueWarrior]

This really seems apropos for this thread. Just skip to the 4:40 mark. Says it all.

 

[Airwolfe]

I want to complain about the fucking audio been messed up for a month+ and clicking/popping. And the last week or so the video and audio stuttering.

 

[Anonymous]

I want to complain about the fucking audio been messed up for a month+ and clicking/popping. And the last week or so the video and audio stuttering.

Yeah, and the fact that when something's wrong from member's point of view, very, very few members will actually speak up and SAY SOMETHING to the model so that she can log off/back on. SMH. If the only people in her room are guys just sitting there drooling/lurking, she could be in public chat for several minutes - wasting her cam score - unaware that there's an issue. That's why I like it when guys from my friends list are in the room. I know they'll actually let me know if the video/audio is fucked up.

 

[LilyEvans]

For the record, I want to say I do NOT think Trots is a troll, I don't think he's a jerk or a cheap-ass or anything like that. I completely understand your complaint, dude.

HOWEVER

I merely want to point out that you're getting weirdly worked up over this. Was the wording on MFC ambiguous? Yes, it was. Of course it was. When companies are trying to get you to spend your money, they will tell you the good things-- "You get access to ALL of MFC's features!"-- while adding the bad things-- "but PM settings are left to the discretion of each individual model and member"-- in the fine print. Lots of companies do this, not just MFC. Perhaps that is a bit disingenuous, but that's called business. Remember when Subway had their Jared campaign? They wanted you to know that

Jared lost lots of weight by eating Subway every day!
but he wasn't eating the delicious sandwich on this commercial he ate dry turkey on wheat bread with no condiments or cheese and his sandwiches probably tasted like a dehydrated communion wafer and also he stopped drinking soda and incorporated an exercise routine into his lifestyle.

This is what MFC, and every other camsite and damn near every business in the world is doing. You have access to all the features MFC offers premium members...but some models can opt out of those features. It is NOT false advertising, even if it may be slightly misleading. I can see why you would be miffed but not really why you're making such a big deal out of it.

To sum up, you sound disappointed in MFC. Let me point you to a section of their agreement I hope they will satisfy to your liking:

We promise that this will be the best $19.99 you will ever spend. If you disagree, Contact Support and we will refund you!

 

[JoleneBrody]

In the wiki for models...

Talking to guests and members

Models are the bosses of their chat rooms and may therefore talk to, or not talk to, anyone they want.
Models may ban or ignore anyone they want, for any reason.
It is suggested that models are nice to guests and members as that will certainly increase their popularity, earnings, and enjoyment of their work. But ultimately this is entirely up to the model.

In the Wiki for members... in the 3rd sentence of the very first intro page titled "rules for members"

We provide powerful tools to both models and members so that no one has to interact with someone they don't like. Models have full control over their own chat rooms and they can kick anyone out for any reason. Members have access to an Ignore List and can easily Ignore any member or model any time.

They really go out of their way to point out that models and members are totally in control of who they communicate with or for that matter, don't. Just as they compared it to AOL chat or other instant messengers, where the user can control who they receive messages from and when.

As much as I get (not to be confused with understand) where youre coming from, the advertisements leading you to believe you can just PM all willy nilly like are far outweighed by the opposite, specifically making point that the model is in control of her member interactions 100% and can ban, block, ignore or unfriend as she sees fit.

The examples I provided were just samples of some of the very initial paragraphs in the Wiki. Their are WAY more but these two were just on like, the front page yo.

In the 2 plus years I've been camming on MFC you are the first person I've heard make this specific complaint. I'm not talking about the members who complain specifically that we don't accept PM's cuz let's face it, anything a model does, at any time of day, no matter the circumstance will piss someone off. :lol: But I'm not sure you will find too many other models and members that are willing to give up 5 minutes of their life to complain about something that is NOT impacting anybody (but maybe you) negatively.

I will also point out that MFC provides a nifty feature called MFC mail. As it's not all up in our face flashing everywhere, any members can send a model an MFC mail if he has a private question or concern. If you want to ask her a specific question at that moment about say, a private show, you can even politely ask her to check it... of course anytime you are demanding a model stop and give you one-on-one attention it should be started with a tip.

 

[LadyLuna]

I have no desire to read the whole thread at this point, because it will make me mad.

All I want to say, is that the second thing you quoted clearly stated that there may be times where a premium member may not have access to some of the features.

MFC does not guarantee that you will be able to access or use any or all parts of this website, and you agree that MFC shall have no liability to you whatsoever for any such inaccessibility.

But yes, I do wish that somewhere they would mention that models have the ability to set their pm's to friends only, and that many take that because of abuse of pm's by members.

For the record, I don't have mine set to friend's only. I do have a message that lets people know every time they post in pm that public chat has priority over pm, and most will leave after their first message because of that. Though, I do respond when I get a chance, I really do put public chat first. I also ban anyone who goes "pm... pm... pm... I pm'd you... HEY, PM!"

Do you have any idea how many men believe that their "Hi, how are you?" is the end of the world? Like, seriously, that's the entire conversation. And they told me in public chat "this is really important!"

"Hi"
"Hi, how are you?"
"fine bb, u"
"I'm well, thank you. How can I help you today?"

silence

And this was their VERY IMPORTANT matter? Seriously?

I get it. You are mad because MFC told you that you would get something, and now it seems like you can't have what they said you could. I believe this is because they haven't been made aware that this might be a problem. Now, here's what you can do:

step 1: get a one-use credit card under a different name
step 2: get a proxy
step 3: make a new MFC account through that proxy, using a throw-away email address, and go premium with that one-use credit card. DO NOT TIP ANY MODELS WITH THIS ACCOUNT.
step 4: write a message to MFC demanding a refund because you weren't aware that the models could turn pm off.
step 5: get as many friends as possible to do the same thing, or do this multiple times with different names, different ip addresses, different email addresses, and different credit cards.

Why do it that way? Because once you demand a refund and get your refund, they will never let you buy tokens again, and will ban you from the site. They will make sure of this by tracking your name, ip address, credit card number, and email address. Hence why you need all four to be different, if you ever plan on visiting again.

Why the whole don't tip the models thing? Because if MFC by chance does figure out that it's you, at least MFC didn't have to pay the models money that they also had to refund to you, and they might possibly go easy on you. But I doubt it.

Please note: I am not sure if this isn't fraud. It might be fraud. I don't know the legality of fraud. Use this method at your own risk.

The truth of the matter is- MFC rarely make any changes unless it's something that impacts them financially.

The other models told you what the men off camera thing meant. We are told that we are not even allowed to have a man in the same room as us. And they are actually pretty quick to ban any model who is reported as having a man on camera as long as there's screen shots with her model name still visible of the man on her camera.

As to the rest of the rules- those are there to cover MFC's asses. They can point and say "look, it's against the rules!" and then it's the model who is in trouble for breaking it, should a lawsuit come into play. The ones they enforce are the ones that the members consistently report. That used to mean cum shows in public chat. Lately it's just been meaning man-on-camera.

I do not do cum shows in public chat. I do get nude in public, but I prefer to play in private. I keep my pm's open to everyone. It sounds like you want to find myself, and models like me, to view. Or you can find another site. Streamate actually bans models who break the nothing explicit in public chat rule.

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

As LadyLuna said, I'm not going to read all of what came before. Bottom line is, you technically kinda sorta have a point, but a reasonable person wouldn't be surprised with the reality of things. The investment is small if you really feel cheated on your first 200 tokens. If a particular model isn't receptive to your way of saying things, there are lots of other good ones you can try. If none of them are okay with you, you're probably being a little out of line.

 

[trotskyleon]

@Ladyluna no lol I am not going to do that! I dont want my money back either, would simply like the MFC wiki to be updated!

I use three sites (naked, MFC and streammate), had some issues with streammate so dont use that anymore. Naked is good (its has playboy models :mrgreen but it has only few models compared to SM or MFC.

I have made some great friends on MFC so I am mainly on this site. And I would like my friends to cam for as long as possible and have fun, hence the changes to the wiki would make their life as well as others much easier!

I have seen so many new models join and they are clueless. They should be forced to go through a tutorial! I am nowadays just too tired to help them out and it does get frustrating. Basics and guests are rarely helpful and some other premiums just try to take advantage (i dont blame them).

 

[Anonymous]

On the rare occasion an MFC model gets a chargeback (I got a 1,000 token CB on there once), is it always categorized as 'credit card fraud'? That's what mine was categorized as.

I mean, if it really was some guy whining that he's unhappy with the site and wants a refund, would MFC actually come right out and tell the affected models (when the models email MFC) the cheap bastard demanded a refund? Or would they just stick to calling it 'credit card fraud'?

 

[RoseCavilla]

I believe they would deny the request because the member spent tokens so obviously wasn't too upset with the product.

And good, because this shit ain't Paypal!

A lot of models would leave if guys could go trough a proxy, purchase loadable cards, and request a chargeback after every private. Even if MFC tried to keep it under wraps, you know it'd get out at some point with some jackass in the member lounge or on a forum bragging about how he gets free shows and vids.

 

[emptiedglass]

I get it. You are mad because MFC told you that you would get something, and now it seems like you can't have what they said you could. I believe this is because they haven't been made aware that this might be a problem. Now, here's what you can do:

step 1: get a one-use credit card under a different name
step 2: get a proxy
step 3: make a new MFC account through that proxy, using a throw-away email address, and go premium with that one-use credit card. DO NOT TIP ANY MODELS WITH THIS ACCOUNT.
step 4: write a message to MFC demanding a refund because you weren't aware that the models could turn pm off.
step 5: get as many friends as possible to do the same thing, or do this multiple times with different names, different ip addresses, different email addresses, and different credit cards.

Why do it that way? Because once you demand a refund and get your refund, they will never let you buy tokens again, and will ban you from the site. They will make sure of this by tracking your name, ip address, credit card number, and email address. Hence why you need all four to be different, if you ever plan on visiting again.

Why the whole don't tip the models thing? Because if MFC by chance does figure out that it's you, at least MFC didn't have to pay the models money that they also had to refund to you, and they might possibly go easy on you. But I doubt it.

Please note: I am not sure if this isn't fraud. It might be fraud. I don't know the legality of fraud. Use this method at your own risk.

Sounds pretty fraudulent to me.
I thought I read somewhere that in a case of fraud, the model doesn't get the tokens?

 

[RoseCavilla]

Yes. If a charge comes from a stolen credit card the model loses her earnings from that card/tipper.

I've heard of some studios offering chargeback protection however.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I cannot begin to imagine how horrible camming on MFC would be for the models if they could not control who PMs them. :icon-cry:

 

[BlueViolet]

I cannot begin to imagine how horrible camming on MFC would be for the models if they could not control who PMs them. :icon-cry:

It would probably slow down/freeze someone's browser/computer especially during public shows.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I cannot begin to imagine how horrible camming on MFC would be for the models if they could not control who PMs them. :icon-cry:

I don't think it would be horrible. It would just mean a lot more would turn off pm's all together.

 

[BlueViolet]

I cannot begin to imagine how horrible camming on MFC would be for the models if they could not control who PMs them. :icon-cry:

I don't think it would be horrible. It would just mean a lot more would turn off pm's all together.

I think he means if you couldn't have the option to turn off PMs and had to accept all PMs. Now that would be awful.