MFC Gripes

[UncleThursday]

First, my issue isn't with who you want pm with or not. Its simply not knowing beforehand that models expect you to tip to pm then (whether they respond to your pm is irrelevent). But when I tried pming a model, it simply this model isnt accepting private messages. I asked the model what was going and she said she set pm to friend only..then she said it cost x tokens to be a friend. So I was like uhh, wtf why did I become a premium member for? When I am effectively being treated like a basic/guest. I was told I could pm...but i cant because you are not accepting it! Fair enough if you don't want to read it or respond it..but to not be able to at all?

Not every model charges to be on their friends list. Some only add someone after they have been a reg in the room and shown they tip or go private or group with them AND that they chat and add to the conversation in the room in a fun and engaging manner.

Most of the ones who ask for tokens do so to stop the stream of 'you so hot bb' or 'show feet bb' etc. PMs that come in pretty constantly from members who don't want to tip, but want to have the model's attention.

Deal or move on, like I said.

 

[LadyLuna]

You can try sending a suggestion to support, saying "please add this to your wiki!" Here, give this form letter to all your friends:

Subject: support- wiki support- suggestion
Body:
Hey there!

I was browsing your wiki, and noticed that you promise that guys can pm the models if they go premium. But, many models have it set to friend's only, and then charge to be added to their friend's list. I'm not asking that you change this, just think that it should be mentioned on the wiki. So how about this:

In small print after the blurb on "what you get for your tokens", put "Models may choose to limit pm's to friend's only, or to not accept pm messages at all. Many models will ask for tokens in exchange for being put on their friend's list. Alternative methods of communication are tip notes and mfc-mail." Please note: I did say in small print.

I just think that this will help you avoid angry customers in the future.

Thanks guys!
~<your username here>

Yes, I give you permission to use that word-for-word, without giving me any credit for the wording.

As for a model tutorial, there are plenty of place a model can get help... but an actual tutorial might be a good thing too. Maybe those of us here on ACF could make one. Maybe we already have...

As for the charge for friend's list, many models who do this also put people on their friend's list for actually being decent in public chat, no tip needed. BUT, they don't do it for being asked. If you ask, you've stopped being a decent member.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I agree it is a bit deceptive on MFC's part, but hey it is porn site so false advertising is pretty much standard operating procedure, deal with it.

I just wanted to point that you can technically send a PM to any model once you have become a premium. However, some model may charge you additional tokens for them to receive and respond to your PM.

There is no such thing as free lunch.

 

[Anonymous]

I thought I read somewhere that in a case of fraud, the model doesn't get the tokens?

Yeah, I posted above about a 1,000 token chargeback I got that MFC categorized as 'credit card fraud'. Which pretty much means I wound up giving some guy a free private show/free flashes/free picture set.

 

[JustForYourInfo]

I just joined this forum after reading this thread here and needed to chime in.

I have been associated with the camming world for almost 9 years now and the original poster here has a point.

As an example, regarding MFC, I was a guest for approximately 6 months and then a basic for a few months after that. I knew a woman who worked on a cam site other than MFC and found out she began working on MFC as well. I decided because of her, that I would become a premium and proceeded to purchase at that time,the 900 token package(I believe that was the maximum allowed) and it cost me if I recall 100 dollars, forgive me if I am wrong with the pricing.It was over 1 year ago if not more.
I became a premium for all of 5 minutes, for the first and last time, before they were stolen(Yes, I consider it theft and fraud by the owners or administrators of MFC) and was banned immediately. I didn't know what the heck occurred and contacted their support. Long story short, they accused me of fraud, becuase they "say" I had caused a chargeback using my "Newly created premium account" and that they took them back because of that. I wrote them back and said, how the hell did I purchase tokens and create a chargeback when I never ever had a premium account before? I argued with them for a few more emails asking them for proof and told them that someone probably hacked my basic account and used it fraudelantly. They refused to prove me wrong and merely took it upon themselves to conveniently steal back the tokens I had just purchased and ban me as well, with no proof whatesoever.

I was going to contact my bank and stop payment but I had used my bank debit card instead of a regular credit card and did not wish to go through the hassle of providing the name of the website, the type of transaction, etc. etc. I was so angered by their(MFC) lack of proof and poor customer support that I decided to never become a premium member on that site ever again. Lesson learned.

Why did I feel the need to tell that true story, because the way some of you treated the original poster here, judging them, and treating them as if they were someone else(regardless if it was or was not "vlad" or anyone else) is a testament of the way some people are judged and mistreated within this camming community. Shame on you for jumping to assumptions, conclusions and thinking any of you are holier than the next person.

That is my two cents, so please think before you type or speak about individuals.

 

[Nordling]

I just joined this forum after reading this thread here and needed to chime in.

I have been associated with the camming world for almost 9 years now and the original poster here has a point.

As an example, regarding MFC, I was a guest for approximately 6 months and then a basic for a few months after that. I knew a woman who worked on a cam site other than MFC and found out she began working on MFC as well. I decided because of her, that I would become a premium and proceeded to purchase at that time,the 900 token package(I believe that was the maximum allowed) and it cost me if I recall 100 dollars, forgive me if I am wrong with the pricing.It was over 1 year ago if not more.
I became a premium for all of 5 minutes, for the first and last time, before they were stolen(Yes, I consider it theft and fraud by the owners or administrators of MFC) and was banned immediately. I didn't know what the heck occurred and contacted their support. Long story short, they accused me of fraud, becuase they "say" I had caused a chargeback using my "Newly created premium account" and that they took them back because of that. I wrote them back and said, how the hell did I purchase tokens and create a chargeback when I never ever had a premium account before? I argued with them for a few more emails asking them for proof and told them that someone probably hacked my basic account and used it fraudelantly. They refused to prove me wrong and merely took it upon themselves to conveniently steal back the tokens I had just purchased and ban me as well, with no proof whatesoever.

I was going to contact my bank and stop payment but I had used my bank debit card instead of a regular credit card and did not wish to go through the hassle of providing the name of the website, the type of transaction, etc. etc. I was so angered by their(MFC) lack of proof and poor customer support that I decided to never become a premium member on that site ever again. Lesson learned.

Why did I feel the need to tell that true story, because the way some of you treated the original poster here, judging them, and treating them as if they were someone else(regardless if it was or was not "vlad" or anyone else) is a testament of the way some people are judged and mistreated within this camming community. Shame on you for jumping to assumptions, conclusions and thinking any of you are holier than the next person.

That is my two cents, so please think before you type or speak about individuals.

Ok, Vlad, thanks for the input.

 

[JustForYourInfo]

Excuse me? Where did you get the idea that I am vlad?

You are incorrectly making assumptions.

I am sure the administrators here could prove you wrong by checking my location among other methods to verify things. But I guess you just know it all and assume you're absolutely correct, Nordling.

I have proven my point though, haven't I?

I do find your attitude demeaning, condescending and arrogant. You have no proof who I am and my reply here was to draw attention to what does occur on these sites. But I guess you don't have an open mind to the possiblity that things like this, and worse do occur. Perhaps, have any models had toekns taken away from them by the administrators of MFC? I was informed that they do that as well,but hey you know it all and wish to assume that I am someone you are guessing is Vlad.

I have no gripes with you, so do not assume anything, sir.

 

[zippypinhead]

This thread is an embarrassing clusterfuck.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Excuse me? Where did you get the idea that I am vlad?

You are incorrectly making assumptions.

I am sure the administrators here could prove you wrong by checking my location among other methods to verify things. But I guess you just know it all and assume you're absolutely correct, Nordling.

I have proven my point though, haven't I?

No point was proven. The administrators of this site or pretty much any other site have no way of knowing who are or where you are at any point ever. I'm currently in Florida [click button] now Toronto [click button] Romania [click, click, click] get the idea?

I do find your attitude demeaning, condescending and arrogant. You have no proof who I am and my reply here was to draw attention to what does occur on these sites. But I guess you don't have an open mind to the possiblity that things like this, and worse do occur. Perhaps, have any models had toekns taken away from them by the administrators of MFC? I was informed that they do that as well,but hey you know it all and wish to assume that I am someone you are guessing is Vlad.

I have no gripes with you, so do not assume anything, sir.

The problem here is your tale sounds fishy as hell. I'm doubting MFC stole your tokens and banned you for no reason at all. That's not really productive to Leo's greedily wanting that expensive champagne for his yacht parties. Which leaves me to think you didn't have enough money in your account to cover the charge, your bank denied it for other reasons, or you did just commit outright fraud. I have no way of telling nor do I really care.

As for the Vlad comment. We've had a large number of people newly sign up for no other purpose than to bitch about mfc or to show their support for some other doofus who just signed up to bitch about mfc. So you can see why someone might look at your sign up date as today and your postings of 1 or 2 all to bitch about mfc as 'vlad' like. Especially given this really isn't a sight set up for bitching about mfc. It has other purposes, may not seem like it at times, but it's there if you look.

 

[trotskyleon]

The problem here is your tale sounds fishy as hell. I'm doubting MFC stole your tokens and banned you for no reason at all. That's not really productive to Leo's greedily wanting that expensive champagne for his yacht parties. Which leaves me to think you didn't have enough money in your account to cover the charge, your bank denied it for other reasons, or you did just commit outright fraud. I have no way of telling nor do I really care.

Well you clearly dont know how the world works. MFC make it very clear that they offer more support the more you spend on them. Getting rid of a new user who spent $75 who they for them probably appears to a "problem" customer is hardly going to cost them (and probably save them in future, the trouble of investigating potential fraud transactions). @JustyourInfo MFC and other cam sites are very serious when it comes to the security of transactions simply because they can get into a lot of trouble by the big banks if they don't do their job properly. Its one reason why American Express are not associated with any adult sites because of the high risk of fraud involved.

As for the Vlad comment. We've had a large number of people newly sign up for no other purpose than to bitch about mfc or to show their support for some other doofus who just signed up to bitch about mfc. So you can see why someone might look at your sign up date as today and your postings of 1 or 2 all to bitch about mfc as 'vlad' like. Especially given this really isn't a sight set up for bitching about mfc. It has other purposes, may not seem like it at times, but it's there if you look.

Dont know what a Vlad is...

But seriously if you treat every new user on this forum the same way, then what do you expect? His post was already flamed.. All he said was that he had a MFC Gripe - which is the what this thread title is about. He shared it, if you dont like it - big deal - move on. There is no need to insult people.

 

[SoTxBob]

not supporting/validating anyone here... however, in my stay at MFC, I have heard of more than a few instances like what JFYI described. Don't have any specific info, but I have heard from many different sources of this happening on the random occasion.

...some people are judged and mistreated within this camming community....

seems this is a fairly common thing at times and has been mentioned before by regs here... :whistle:

 

[Shaun__]

Well you clearly dont know how the world works. MFC make it very clear that they offer more support the more you spend on them.

:lol:

 

[JustForYourInfo]

Seriously, if you guys treat noobs here as you did Trots and me, then someone else has a cynical attitude generally it seems. I have read lots of threads here as well as many other forums related to this business.

What I found offensive and totally irrelevant was the assumption that I was someone else especially with no proof of the accusations to back up such outlandish assumptions. I am sure none of you would like that either, and I do take point with what has occurred lately on this forum.

I came here to share a true story, and am not a cheap bastard to jumps through hoops and whine about a 100 dollars I spent and had it "stolen" based upon poor management and wild wild west security and poor customer support skillsets on some websites. I highly expect a degree of respect and integrity before being falsely accused by websites or any person anywhere on any forum to "guess" and make erroneous assumptions upon me or for that fact anyone else.

But as you see cynicism and judegemental attitudes are easier to display than giving the benefit of the doubt.

Recent posts here do provide with some voracity to my story and i can gladly support my story as well with factual proof.

Anways, you all have a good evening. And stop being policeman here when you have no clue you are right or wrong, leave that for your chat rooms.

 

[Nordling]

Assuming all these newly logged in whiners are NOT Vlad, then I have to wonder if there's a site somewhere just for "concern trolls" which has a running list of sites who are "mistreating" new trolls, and encourages their member trolls to quickly sign up to those sites to run to the defense of all the poor Vlads of the world.


:lol:

 

[Dave550]

Assuming all these newly logged in whiners are NOT Vlad, then I have to wonder if there's a site somewhere just for "concern trolls" which has a running list of sites who are "mistreating" new trolls, and encourages their member trolls to quickly sign up to those sites to run to the defense of all the poor Vlads of the world.


:lol:

I think its called the lounge :icon-wink: :-D

 

[Jessi]

It seems lately we've had an influx of newcomers with a bunch of complaints, about things we have no control over and when someone points out "thats silly" we're suddenly a bunch of bullies. Its an open forum, people may disagree with you. There is a great community here that is a lot of fun to participate in, but if all you're bringing to the table is negativity then you'll probably not have a good time.

Models have no control over how MFC operates, we can only control the personal style and rules of our own chatroom, and it is totally up to the model's personal taste how she does that. You may not understand or agree with it, but neither does anyone else. You're not going to find many people on this forum who just want to get together to speculate and complain about how models run their chat.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

It seems lately we've had an influx of newcomers with a bunch of complaints, about things we have no control over and when someone points out "thats silly" we're suddenly a bunch of bullies. Its an open forum, people may disagree with you. There is a great community here that is a lot of fun to participate in, but if all you're bringing to the table is negativity then you'll probably not have a good time.

Models have no control over how MFC operates, we can only control the personal style and rules of our own chatroom, and it is totally up to the model's personal taste how she does that. You may not understand or agree with it, but neither does anyone else. You're not going to find many people on this forum who just want to get together to speculate and complain about how models run their chat.

I normally make a point of sticking up for newbie, but this is silly. MFC has a suggestion box. http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Contact_Support use it. If you aren't happy with their response or lack there off, a quick google should quickly direct you to several threads around the internet devoted to bashing MFC, have fun.

God knows I am no fan of MFC, but this models forum has little control over what MFC does or doesn't. For whatever its MFC fault does share a generous portion of their revenue with the models. It is for that reason I continue to buy tokens.

 

[RoseCavilla]

The problem here is your tale sounds fishy as hell. I'm doubting MFC stole your tokens and banned you for no reason at all. That's not really productive to Leo's greedily wanting that expensive champagne for his yacht parties. Which leaves me to think you didn't have enough money in your account to cover the charge, your bank denied it for other reasons, or you did just commit outright fraud. I have no way of telling nor do I really care.

Well you clearly dont know how the world works. MFC make it very clear that they offer more support the more you spend on them. Getting rid of a new user who spent $75 who they for them probably appears to a "problem" customer is hardly going to cost them (and probably save them in future, the trouble of investigating potential fraud transactions). @JustyourInfo MFC and other cam sites are very serious when it comes to the security of transactions simply because they can get into a lot of trouble by the big banks if they don't do their job properly. Its one reason why American Express are not associated with any adult sites because of the high risk of fraud involved.

As for the Vlad comment. We've had a large number of people newly sign up for no other purpose than to bitch about mfc or to show their support for some other doofus who just signed up to bitch about mfc. So you can see why someone might look at your sign up date as today and your postings of 1 or 2 all to bitch about mfc as 'vlad' like. Especially given this really isn't a sight set up for bitching about mfc. It has other purposes, may not seem like it at times, but it's there if you look.

Dont know what a Vlad is...

But seriously if you treat every new user on this forum the same way, then what do you expect? His post was already flamed.. All he said was that he had a MFC Gripe - which is the what this thread title is about. He shared it, if you dont like it - big deal - move on. There is no need to insult people.

:lol: because MFC would totally ban "for no reason" to steal your tokens. They want you to spend them and buy more and more. They stand to lose more by banning you and "stealing your tokens" than by keeping you as a customer.

 

[rexcode]

Its one reason why American Express are not associated with any adult sites because of the high risk of fraud involved.

I'm pretty sure that it's because American Express is based in Utah and most of their top executives are Mormon. I'm surprised I can buy beer with my Amex card.

 

[LadyLuna]

The way people here have been treating new posters recently has been making me... not want to participate anymore...

Why do we have to accuse everybody of the worst cases? It's one thing to point out that everything on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt, and to be careful of who you help and what ways you help them. It's another to have 10 posts about how that person obviously must be lying. And what's this with assuming everybody who posts with a negative thought is vlad? Seriously? I'm sick of hearing "vlad this" and "vlad that". He was banned, can we please stop thinking about him?

For all the new people who have been accused of being vlad, I'm sorry. Vlad was a member on here who was banned for being a creepy stalkerish person who refused to believe that his actions were creepy and stalkerish. At least, I think that's the member who was named vlad... Then again, I also associate his name with poor grammar and worse manners, so I could be very wrong about why he was banned.

Anyway, the point is, he did come back under a different username a few times, hence why everyone is so ready to believe he might have done so again. I'm pretty sure he was ip banned, so if he does come back it will be using a proxy, hence why we don't really have any way to know whether or not you are actually he. I, for one, will prefer to believe that you are your own self, separate from the individual we have come to know and hate as vlad. (personally, I don't hate him, but that's because I'm not quite sure I'm capable of hate...)

I'm sorry for droning on and on. I actually just wanted to post about my speechlessness about the behavior of the forum, but I realized that the sort of post I wanted to do would imply that I was with the forum, just because of how long I've been around. So I found words. But what I really wanted to say was:

...

directed at the behavior of the forum.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Ms Luna can we have orgasms instead or exercise? Don't they release endorphins (I really don't know). Sorry I have cough and fever, so exercise sounds like a horrible idea. Sex sounds a bit better.

Apropos to the conversation.
"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.
Never assume stupidity when ignorance will suffice"

 

[UncleThursday]

Well you clearly dont know how the world works. MFC make it very clear that they offer more support the more you spend on them. Getting rid of a new user who spent $75 who they for them probably appears to a "problem" customer is hardly going to cost them (and probably save them in future, the trouble of investigating potential fraud transactions).

Just a note, you cannot buy a $75, 900 token package on your first day on MFC as a premium. You are limited to lower transactions for a certain (seemingly arbitrary) limit of time and/or tokens bought. I'm not even sure if you can buy the $50, 550 token package when first signing up. But I know you couldn't buy the 900 token package immediately after your first purchase.

This, alone, would make your story suspicious.

 

[ga5457]

How did MFC mislead you? You can PM any model or other premium member you want to. I haven't read anywhere that said they had to accept or respond to your PM. Being a cam model is like any other business. If the girls know that they are not going to make any money off of you they aren't going to waste their time with you. If you go into a store and the salesperson knows you aren't going to buy anything they won't help you. This is no different. Man up, buy some tokens and tip.

 

[trotskyleon]

Ok lol thanks ladyluna :thumbleft:

I was like VLAD = very lovable adorable dork?

 

[WickedTouch]

Okay... this thread is pretty much a theory Vs practice argument. Nothing more... nothing less. Just apply some common sense.

Simples! :handgestures-salute:

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Anonymous]

Just a note, you cannot buy a $75, 900 token package on your first day on MFC as a premium. You are limited to lower transactions for a certain (seemingly arbitrary) limit of time and/or tokens bought. I'm not even sure if you can buy the $50, 550 token package when first signing up. But I know you couldn't buy the 900 token package immediately after your first purchase.

I'm not sure if it's changed since then, but MFC made it a hassle for me to become a premium...lol. I remember clicking the button to buy tokens for the first time, and I was given that "You cannot purchase tokens because you have reached your token purchasing limit" message. Yes, people who have never bought tokens before would get that message...I remember other members/models saying they've gotten that same message too. I believe I had to e-mail MFC, asking them to please allow me to buy tokens. SMH. I thought that was silly.

But yes, you are right. When they finally allowed me to purchase tokens for the first time, the only token package available was the $19.99 package for 200 tokens. Other packages (including the smaller $3 token packages, etc.) became available to me at a later time.

 

[AmberCutie]

Just a note, you cannot buy a $75, 900 token package on your first day on MFC as a premium. You are limited to lower transactions for a certain (seemingly arbitrary) limit of time and/or tokens bought. I'm not even sure if you can buy the $50, 550 token package when first signing up. But I know you couldn't buy the 900 token package immediately after your first purchase.

I'm not sure if it's changed since then, but MFC made it a hassle for me to become a premium...lol. I remember clicking the button to buy tokens for the first time, and I was given that "You cannot purchase tokens because you have reached your token purchasing limit" message. Yes, people who have never bought tokens before would get that message...I remember other members/models saying they've gotten that same message too. I believe I had to e-mail MFC, asking them to please allow me to buy tokens. SMH. I thought that was silly.

But yes, you are right. When they finally allowed me to purchase tokens for the first time, the only token package available was the $19.99 package for 200 tokens. Other packages (including the smaller $3 token packages, etc.) became available to me at a later time.

You got that message initially most likely because you already had a model account on the same IP address. Pretty much any time a model tries to create a premium account, it flags her because in the system it must show up like a duplicate account. And model accounts have a permanent token purchase limit of 0, so it gives the new account the same status as the previous.

I actually do think that some of the people who have gone premium for me have started with the larger token package. Their stats will show 0 days as a member, 550 tokens, 55 points. That would indicate they went premium with the 550 token package instead of the 200 package. Obviously I am only guessing that is the case, but it seems pretty obvious that in order to get 550 and 55, they didn't start with 200/20.

 

[UncleThursday]

Just a note, you cannot buy a $75, 900 token package on your first day on MFC as a premium. You are limited to lower transactions for a certain (seemingly arbitrary) limit of time and/or tokens bought. I'm not even sure if you can buy the $50, 550 token package when first signing up. But I know you couldn't buy the 900 token package immediately after your first purchase.

I'm not sure if it's changed since then, but MFC made it a hassle for me to become a premium...lol. I remember clicking the button to buy tokens for the first time, and I was given that "You cannot purchase tokens because you have reached your token purchasing limit" message. Yes, people who have never bought tokens before would get that message...I remember other members/models saying they've gotten that same message too. I believe I had to e-mail MFC, asking them to please allow me to buy tokens. SMH. I thought that was silly.

But yes, you are right. When they finally allowed me to purchase tokens for the first time, the only token package available was the $19.99 package for 200 tokens. Other packages (including the smaller $3 token packages, etc.) became available to me at a later time.

You got that message initially most likely because you already had a model account on the same IP address. Pretty much any time a model tries to create a premium account, it flags her because in the system it must show up like a duplicate account. And model accounts have a permanent token purchase limit of 0, so it gives the new account the same status as the previous.

I actually do think that some of the people who have gone premium for me have started with the larger token package. Their stats will show 0 days as a member, 550 tokens, 55 points. That would indicate they went premium with the 550 token package instead of the 200 package. Obviously I am only guessing that is the case, but it seems pretty obvious that in order to get 550 and 55, they didn't start with 200/20.

As I said, it's been a while since I was a new member, but I'm not sure if the $50 package is open at the start or not. But I do know the 900 token package isn't open right away. Even a friend who joined the site pretty recently has said he still doesn't have access to it. And when I joined in 2010, it wasn't available to me from the start.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I maybe misremembering, but I am pretty sure that I bought 900 tokens my first time on MFC. My credit card has a crazy high limit so maybe that was factor.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I have seen brand new members start with 900. Not sure what makes the difference but it does happen.