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trotskyleon said:
we are spending our money (money that can be easily spent elsewhere),

This is ridiculous. We aren't Burger King and you (the consumer) don't get to have it your way. You're essentially coming across as one of those guys that holds his potential tip over a camgirls head to see what she'll do for X amount. It's unlikely that this 'we can easily spend our money elsewhere' attitude will take you very far on a camsite. In all honesty, if someone were to say that to me in my room, I'd help them to locate a new model by showing them my ban button.
 
I can't believe we've managed to make 5 pages of conversation and debate out of something that SO isn't a big deal.

Like, at all.

Something about mountains and molehills. Rabble Rabble.
 
rexcode said:
trotskyleon said:
Its one reason why American Express are not associated with any adult sites because of the high risk of fraud involved.

I'm pretty sure that it's because American Express is based in Utah and most of their top executives are Mormon. I'm surprised I can buy beer with my Amex card.

American Express is based in New York City. It was originally based in Buffalo (when it was founded by Wells, Fargo, and Butterfield as an express shipping company).

The company is publicly traded on the NYSE, under the AXP symbol. The religion of the members of the executives shouldn't matter at all, given that it's a large publicly traded company.
 
AmberCutie said:
I can't believe we've managed to make 5 pages of conversation and debate out of something that SO isn't a big deal.

Like, at all.

Something about mountains and molehills. Rabble Rabble.

You must be new here. :whistle:
 
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Well, I posted on here to bring attention to some dicrepancies and poor customer support which also is something Trots was griping about. I have read all the replies here after my posts, and people have proven that purchasing a 900 token package 2 years ago was possible. Then some here assumed, without any facts to back their words up that individuals are whomever they conjure up in their minds without thinking before typing, just because they feel they can.

Hmmm....

Now as to this thread being not a big deal and creating a mountain out of a mole hill. I will explain it to you all this way. Especially since members are your customers and they are PAYING you in a business exchange.

1) I purchased 900 tokens- fact and truth. I would have gladly used those tokens on a model but never had the chance to, and was out $100.00 because a website and its administrators have all the power in the world to do whatever they wish without proving anything. Seems like the wild wild west and left a sour taste in my mouth.

2) I paid for a service and was treated like I was a criminal and attempted to logically discuss the issue with customer support.In which they decided they had the right to take away something I purchased legally without any chance to be listened to,be treated respectfully, and given the benefit of the doubt. So much for the protection of the customers rights. In any other business, they would be held to a higher standard. I presume that does not hold true on a cam website.(Which is part of the gripe, Trot, brought up.)

3) Is it possible someone hacked or used my log in info as a basic, to purchase tokens and then cause a chargeback using my basic account, or email or however they did to screw with my original account? Please do not tell me that MFC's security and customer service is the best there can be. We all know good and bad things happen on these sites.

4) As a customer,anywhere, people deserve and expect to be treated with dignity, respect, and integrity, just the same as the models would want to be treated as well. I believe that's what brings customers back and become a loyal returning customer, but hey, not in my case. They lost a customer and so did you gals.

5) Finally, I find the comparison of Burger King customer satisfaction and MFC customer satisfaction equal and similar. If a customer is treated like shit anywhere, regardless if it is on a cam website or a restaurant, they will take their business elsewhere. I have done that, at any business that provided poor customer satisfaction and/or support. I will never purchase anything via MFC, again, and it has been 2 years now, just because I was treated like dirt and improperly. I am sure none of you would enjoy that either, regardless if it is at Burger King, MFC, or anywhere.

I know what the models have to deal with, and how people will try to screw them over as well as what the websites have to deal with the fraud and many other things, but it just goes to show you how important customers are as well as the people that provide services to those customers. If that happens often the business loses customers. I guess cam sites can get away with anything,huh.

Enough said.
 
Suffice to say, I would be surprised if you replied with anything intelligent, Nordling, but a yay! just doesn't cut it except in your simple mind.

I presume I could say you're Vlad as well, catch my drift. Not even a humble apology, figures.
 
JustForYourInfo said:
Well, I posted on here to bring attention to some dicrepancies and poor customer support which also is something Trots was griping about. I have read all the replies here after my posts, and people have proven that purchasing a 900 token package 2 years ago was possible. Then some here assumed, without any facts to back their words up that individuals are whomever they conjure up in their minds without thinking before typing, just because they feel they can.

Hmmm....

Now as to this thread being not a big deal and creating a mountain out of a mole hill. I will explain it to you all this way. Especially since members are your customers and they are PAYING you in a business exchange.

1) I purchased 900 tokens- fact and truth. I would have gladly used those tokens on a model but never had the chance to, and was out $100.00 because a website and its administrators have all the power in the world to do whatever they wish without proving anything. Seems like the wild wild west and left a sour taste in my mouth.

2) I paid for a service and was treated like I was a criminal and attempted to logically discuss the issue with customer support.In which they decided they had the right to take away something I purchased legally without any chance to be listened to,be treated respectfully, and given the benefit of the doubt. So much for the protection of the customers rights. In any other business, they would be held to a higher standard. I presume that does not hold true on a cam website.(Which is part of the gripe, Trot, brought up.)

3) Is it possible someone hacked or used my log in info as a basic, to purchase tokens and then cause a chargeback using my basic account, or email or however they did to screw with my original account? Please do not tell me that MFC's security and customer service is the best there can be. We all know good and bad things happen on these sites.

4) As a customer,anywhere, people deserve and expect to be treated with dignity, respect, and integrity, just the same as the models would want to be treated as well. I believe that's what brings customers back and become a loyal returning customer, but hey, not in my case. They lost a customer and so did you gals.

5) Finally, I find the comparison of Burger King customer satisfaction and MFC customer satisfaction equal and similar. If a customer is treated like shit anywhere, regardless if it is on a cam website or a restaurant, they will take their business elsewhere. I have done that, at any business that provided poor customer satisfaction and/or support. I will never purchase anything via MFC, again, and it has been 2 years now, just because I was treated like dirt and improperly. I am sure none of you would enjoy that either, regardless if it is at Burger King, MFC, or anywhere.

I know what the models have to deal with, and how people will try to screw them over as well as what the websites have to deal with the fraud and many other things, but it just goes to show you how important customers are as well as the people that provide services to those customers. If that happens often the business loses customers. I guess cam sites can get away with anything,huh.

Enough said.
Well, your situation sucks, and is something to actually gripe about. My point about mountain out of a molehill was "zomg I can't PM every single model and MFC said I could WAHHH". Which was the OP.

That isn't a big deal.
 
JustForYourInfo said:
3) Is it possible someone hacked or used my log in info as a basic, to purchase tokens and then cause a chargeback using my basic account, or email or however they did to screw with my original account?

That sucks if that's what happened! :( When someone does a chargeback on MFC, that account gets banned, and I don't think "Let's call/e-mail MFC to resolve this and get UNbanned" is even an option. They don't want that person making a habit of doing this to models and to the site. Chargebacks are a BIG problem on the cam site ImLive. They have a forum for the models, and top earners on that site are always talking about the hundreds of dollars they get in chargebacks every pay period...which means those models pretty much did all of those shows for nothing.
 
The whole problem with the "gripe" as I see it...with regard to the accusation of a charge back followed by banning, is, IMHO, not with MFC but with the bank. Very likely MFC doesn't have the resources necessary to play detective for every instance of fraud. If someone somehow "hacked" the poster's basic account and then attempted to cause a charge back, then the bank should have a record of this. Yeah, I can understand why you may not wish to contact your bank if you feel weird about using your bank card for adult entertainment, but it's really not MFC's fault. Although they see an apparent fraud--the actual source of the fraud is not their concern...they simply want to put a stop to it.

This happened to me once too. After making a token purchase, I was suddenly banned from MFC. Interestingly, within an hour, MFC's admins discovered their software was at fault and had issued a flag on my account unjustifiably. When they discovered the computer error, they emailed me immediately with an apology and a 200 token bonus as a "sorry." So, don't assume that MFC is not aware that errors occur, it's just that some situations are beyond the scope of their resolution power.

This particular thread is probably not the best medium for posting justifiable complaints of your experience...since the OP's complaint is so flakey, it makes any new complaints, justified or not, lose credibility.
 
Nordling said:
They emailed me immediately with an apology and a 200 token bonus as a "sorry."

Nice! I think you had told me they gave you 20 free tokens. That's good that they apologized and gave you something for the inconvenience. Some cam sites - who shall remain nameless - have a support team that are in denial about their issues.

I've been pretty happy with MFC's support team.
 
yummybrownfox said:
Nordling said:
They emailed me immediately with an apology and a 200 token bonus as a "sorry."

Nice! I think you had told me they gave you 20 free tokens. That's good that they apologized and gave you something for the inconvenience. Some cam sites - who shall remain nameless - have a support team that are in denial about their issues.

I've been pretty happy with MFC's support team.
My memory is not green, sadly. lol You're right...it was 20 tokens. And it all happened while I was in your room. :) Well, except for a brief interruption while I was banned. :)
 
Look my gripe was that they refused to listen to my side of the story and decided to take away tokens from me which I had never used before or was able to use at all. On top of that, you would think they would at least look into it and get back to me before they even conveniently appropriated the tokens I had bought. To me that is stealing.

If someone had gotten a hold of my credit card info, I am sure my cc company and or my bank would notify me promptly which they do. To assume that I was the same person who caused a chargeback under my user info on MFC and then bought more tokens would be foolish, to say the least. Perhaps because I was a new member is possibly the reason, but at least suspend my account without taking stuff away first and then providing me with no rights or power to be listened to, given the benefit of the doubt or treated as they did, is poor business ethics.

I assure you if the problem was with my bank as you say, then my bank would promptly notify me immediately, which they do often, and using a bank debit card, I had more than enough funds to cover the purchase.

The administrators there took it upon themselves to appropriate what I bought legally, without even using them even and then would not even try to prove to me they were correct and I was the bad guy. I did however learn that it is easier to stop a payment using a credit card than a bank debit card.

You all also lost track of the fact, that I never ever had a premium account there, and as you all know basics and guests can not purchase anything under those accounts or status. So the only viable reason is that someone did hack or fraudelantly used my user info to buy tokens, and then create a chargeback under the guise of my basic account.

As far as pming between models and members, hey, I get it. I get pm's from friends on there, but as a basic we can only read them and not respond back. Based upon my experience of MFC and their shoddy treatment from them, they lost a customer.
 
AllisonWilder said:
trotskyleon said:
we are spending our money (money that can be easily spent elsewhere),

This is ridiculous. We aren't Burger King and you (the consumer) don't get to have it your way. You're essentially coming across as one of those guys that holds his potential tip over a camgirls head to see what she'll do for X amount. It's unlikely that this 'we can easily spend our money elsewhere' attitude will take you very far on a camsite. In all honesty, if someone were to say that to me in my room, I'd help them to locate a new model by showing them my ban button.

what do you mean by very far?

THe only reason I said that is because some models, like to say "this our job etc etc".. In that same manner it is our money..and we choose where to spend it..
 
trotskyleon said:
AllisonWilder said:
THe only reason I said that is because some models, like to say "this our job etc etc".. In that same manner it is our money..and we choose where to spend it..

In my business, we have to decide all the time whether to accept new business. Sometimes deadlines are too tight, and sometimes the margins are too low. Sometimes we take a chance on an otherwise money-losing proposition, in the hope that future business will make up for the current shortfall.

Privates work the same way. If the model says no, then she probably has a reason. Keep your money and go fuck yourself.
 
Sevrin said:
trotskyleon said:
AllisonWilder said:
THe only reason I said that is because some models, like to say "this our job etc etc".. In that same manner it is our money..and we choose where to spend it..

In my business, we have to decide all the time whether to accept new business. Sometimes deadlines are too tight, and sometimes the margins are too low. Sometimes we take a chance on an otherwise money-losing proposition, in the hope that future business will make up for the current shortfall.

Privates work the same way. If the model says no, then she probably has a reason. Keep your money and go fuck yourself.

Oh privates. Well if the quality..nah nah I wont go there. But yeah fair enough.
 
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