MFC Faking guest room counts - out of control

[Lucid1]

I can say most members simply ignore guest counts over member counts when it comes to spending, we only look to other members in a room.

In my experience this is not entirely true. When I first joined MFC I put "top models" at the top of my display and frequented those models with more people in their rooms thinking they had to be doing something "extra special" in order to have that many people in their room. I now know different, but this knowledge didn't come to me overnight, and I suspect that somewhere there are some stats that show that this new botting phenomena has some sort of positive effect on a model's/studio's earnings. Else, why would they be doing it?

 

[Ambers Troll]

I suspect that somewhere there are some stats that show that this new botting phenomena has some sort of positive effect on a model's/studio's earnings. Else, why would they be doing it?

Research? You are giving them way too much credit, it is assumption. Do you really think 1000 more guests on ignore make any difference to a room that 100?

 

[AmberCutie]

That's not entirely true. I've chatted with Leo on numerous instances. He routinely comes into Lounge10000 to ask for ideas for improving the site. He'll also run ideas they're thinking about past the people in there to see what everyone thinks. Quite often ideas from there will show up on the site within a couple weeks.

He's a lot more of a human than people give him credit for. He hears, he listens. But when he/MFC doesn't drop everything on a whim and change something when a handful of people are bitching about it, he's just "that rich asshole who runs the site." It couldn't possibly be that it wouldn't make business sense at the time.

It's kinda unfair.

 

[BraisleeAdams]

He's a lot more of a human than people give him credit for. He hears, he listens. But when he/MFC doesn't drop everything on a whim and change something when a handful of people are bitching about it, he's just "that rich asshole who runs the site." It couldn't possibly be that it wouldn't make business sense at the time.

It's kinda unfair.

Leo's been super nice to me at the last two conventions. Stopped me, talked to me and told me he was glad I was there. And everything they do for model's at conventions is pretty insane. At the awesome end of the spectrum. Honestly, interacting with him has made me feel even better about working for MFC.

I know this was a little off topic, I just had to also vouch for Leo and Alex.

 

[RogueWarrior]

I may be the odd duck here (which is probably not unusual) but high room counts are a detriment to me even entering a room. I like to chat and not get lost in the chat. If I see a room count as high as the ones listed, I'm not going to assume that 99% of those are guests/bots. But I do assume that those on the right side of the home page are doing shows (which is not always the case) and that's not usually what I'm looking for when I first log in. But in reality I don't even look at top rooms unless none of the models on my friends list are online. Which I think most tipping members do the same. Therefore, this whole cheating thing is pretty much a moot argument. Really the only people it attracts is guests, basics and freeloading members.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

hat's not entirely true. I've chatted with Leo on numerous instances. He routinely comes into Lounge10000 to ask for ideas for improving the site. He'll also run ideas they're thinking about past the people in there to see what everyone thinks. Quite often ideas from there will show up on the site within a couple weeks.

That's interesting, I haven't spent too much time in Lounge 10K, but I'm glad to hear he comes in at times. I wish they'd do a formal survey of the 10K+ club though.

 

[AnonyMouse]

That's not entirely true. I've chatted with Leo on numerous instances. He routinely comes into Lounge10000 to ask for ideas for improving the site. He'll also run ideas they're thinking about past the people in there to see what everyone thinks. Quite often ideas from there will show up on the site within a couple weeks.

The other day was the first time in a very long time Leo came into 10K and ran stuff thro the room. Yes he listens at times but at times the Admin on duty don't.

 

[AnonyMouse]

As an MFC member I can tell you in this case it just doesn't matter. The Model/ studio is just wasting their time for very little reward. Personally I find it both interesting and ridiculous that anyone would think increasing a guest room count would work on a member.

I can say most members simply ignore guest counts over member counts when it comes to spending, we only look to other members in a room. @AnonyMouse is it influencing your spending on models to have more freeloaders watching, or is it a turn off; an indication something is wrong with the model? I would be worried to see too many guests and not the right proportion of members.

As I don't tip publicly in rooms it has no bearing to me whatsoever and I've been on MFC since the chicken ranch days and 30 models online.
And I have to agree what they do with the ridiculous botted room counts compared to the models camscore is laughable and obvious to most members but some do fall for it and part with tokens but yes 99% of the time it's a complete waste of time, effort and even money ( some of the studios have multiple member accounts that they park in their models rooms ) Proof of that was last night with a 230 camscore model sat with 180 room count all her shift, 6 hours I think and her grand total of tokens for the night was 0.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

The other day was the first time in a very long time Leo came into 10K and ran stuff thro the room.

Just curious how you would know that? Are you awake and in L10K 24/7? Do you have a special Leo tracker backdoor installed on mfc to alert you every time Leo goes in there? That seems like something you couldn't know unless you're Leo himself.

 

[AnonyMouse]

Just curious how you would know that? Are you awake and in L10K 24/7? Do you have a special Leo tracker backdoor installed on mfc to alert you every time Leo goes in there? That seems like something you couldn't know unless you're Leo himself.

Yes I do

 

[AnonyMouse]

Or it could have been Leo replying to amigo
" yeah im sorry i havent been here as much, we've been really busy on some serious improvements you'll see this year "

 

[Puffin]

AdminLeo always seem cool and professional. Saw him a few days ago in Harli Lotts' room for the go live of the whiteboard feature, even though it was causing some technical issues(with friends lists that meant a temporary prevention of model login to sort out). Leo seem as professional as ever, and took the time to say hi. In my view he is a huge asset to the running of MFC.

 

[AnonyMouse]

AdminLeo always seem cool and professional. Saw him a few days ago in Harli Lotts' room for the go live of the whiteboard feature, even though it was causing some technical issues(with friends lists that meant a temporary prevention of model login to sort out). Leo seem as professional as ever, and took the time to say hi. In my view he is a huge asset to the running of MFC.

As he owns MFC you could be correct

 

[Puffin]

As he owns MFC you could be correct

You could imagine an owner of a cam website doing nothing but taking the money or worse, using it as a way to influence models for his own personal satisfaction.

 

[Sneeqie]

They do but i think they have a limit of 5 connections per ip. To set the servers to stop mass connections from same ip is pretty straight forward.

I have a hunch the bots are not using actual connections but manipulating whats being displayed on the screen.

Open a room up in a window, scroll down to guest count and it's there in a instant, do the same in a botted room and
the guest count takes a while to appear.

I think it may be a network of rooted PC's around the world that the studio owners connect to the room in the background processes of a PC. They are from eastern Europe so they can get away with whatever they want.

 

[AnonyMouse]

Nah highly unlikely, as I stated the huge lag it takes to display guest count in botted rooms makes me think that it's manipulating js code somewhere.

 

[MrSwoob]

I do not see what the big deal is. rate your own, friend and bookmark the ones you like, add notes to help even more. use the sort tool. Those you do not like HIDE. IT is that simple. Those that are BOT driven HIDE.

Camscore is sketchy to say the least. For all the good that mfc does, it rewards those that make money for mfc. The bottom line is the bottom line. So tip who you like that is a winner winner chicken dinner for everyone.

 

[nzhere]

What if mfc actually wanted high room counts so they looked busier...

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

What if mfc actually wanted high room counts so they looked busier...

I'm sure they do and so does CB and I think a fair number of models also like to think "wow, there are 1,000 guys that are jacking off to me". I use to the think, MFC bots, fake twitter and facebook accounts, were all pretty silly and harmless. However, we view the world through a lens shaped by Facebook, tweeter or MFC. The algorithms they use to see which girls feed we see first, which friends status update we get in our newsfeed, and which tweet we see depend on accurate inputs. If the inputs are bogus, we get "fake news'. That bothers me.

It is also possible, I should stop watching Black Mirror and not worry so much about this shit.

 

[nzhere]

I think it comes down to "is Leo still raking in the moolah" yes?

carry on...

 

[Judy_]

Been watching the use of tools to fake room counts for a long time now and it's got out of control.

As example this model with 500 camscore

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And 72 seconds later

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This is just one of many many examples you see every night now and it's getting worse. Just now a model with 62 camscore appeared with room count of 400 of which 399 were guests and it just goes on and on.

I know a lot will say, oh it don't effect you just move on, well it does impact both members and models alike.
If a studio / model is willing to cheat like this then what other things are they are willing to do ? As example above, the model does NOT have the lovense app working and has put levels in her topic. Fake !

What these models / studios are doing IS impacting on other lower ranked models, as more and more start using this fraudulent behavior those genuine models who work without any assistance will like the lemming mentality be forced to join the rest of them to try to make a decent living.

The "most popular room" will soon be known as the "most botted room"

MFC should do something about this as they aware and make it level playing field for all again.

EEEP! I didn't know this was a thing! So many scams running by clients and models. It's a big scary world this camming.

 

[Smores]

Been watching the use of tools to fake room counts for a long time now and it's got out of control.

As example this model with 500 camscore
...
What these models / studios are doing IS impacting on other lower ranked models, as more and more start using this fraudulent behavior those genuine models who work without any assistance will like the lemming mentality be forced to join the rest of them to try to make a decent living.

The "most popular room" will soon be known as the "most botted room"

MFC should do something about this as they aware and make it level playing field for all again.

Would this problem get (mostly) fixed if MFC would stop using guest connections to calculate camscore?

Hey, I would go one step beyond that, and maybe their formula should heavily weight in favor of premiums users, and then just give a much smaller credit for basic users. No credit for guests....

 

[Picnic]

Would this problem get (mostly) fixed if MFC would stop using guest connections to calculate camscore?

Hey, I would go one step beyond that, and maybe their formula should heavily weight in favor of premiums users, and then just give a much smaller credit for basic users. No credit for guests....

That's not how camscore works...
http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/CamScore

 

[Smores]

That's not how camscore works...
http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/CamScore

Thanks that helped. So if Camscore is calculated from token earnings (which is a good way to do it), then what is the objection in this thread to users who fake large numbers of guests? It might be annoying, and dishonest, but it does not impact sort order on the main page of MFC?

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks that helped. So if Camscore is calculated from token earnings (which is a good way to do it), then what is the objection in this thread to users who fake large numbers of guests? It might be annoying, and dishonest, but it does not impact sort order on the main page of MFC?

The top 10 most popular rooms are displayed on the sidebar when you load the page. It's a way to game the popularity system and get more viewers/tippers. I'm more likely to click on someone when it's an unknown name in the list. I can think of at least one "top model" who used botting to an extreme degree when she was newish and largely unknown last year. She has stopped botting since then–probably in part because she has a solid base of guys, but also probably because I know a lot of people reported her for gaming the system.

 

[Terra Storm]

The top 10 most popular rooms are displayed on the sidebar when you load the page. It's a way to game the popularity system and get more viewers/tippers. I'm more likely to click on someone when it's an unknown name in the list. I can think of at least one "top model" who used botting to an extreme degree when she was newish and largely unknown last year. She has stopped botting since then–probably in part because she has a solid base of guys, but also probably because I know a lot of people reported her for gaming the system.

Ugh I've been tempted to do this on MFC lol..mainly because MFC is my worst site by far.

 

[AmberCutie]

Would this problem get (mostly) fixed if MFC would stop using guest connections to calculate camscore?

As pointed out, camscore doesn't care how many users are in a room...

if Camscore is calculated from token earnings (which is a good way to do it), then what is the objection in this thread to users who fake large numbers of guests?

There are secondary ways to sort the homepage that are (I believe) only available to basics and premiums(? correct me if I'm wrong, but either way it isn't the default which has the most impact) which include popular room, highest Miss MFC ranking, and other factors. Since they aren't the default, camscore remains the most important one.

 

[ramblin]

There are secondary ways to sort the homepage that are (I believe) only available to basics and premiums(?)

Guests have the same sorting choices as account holders, but they can't save their settings, so the site reverts to CamScore each time they come back. The sidebar does default to Top 10 Popular Rooms, so I'd agree that viewer count is a decent second in importance to having newer folks stumble onto you. I don't know how you'd manipulate it, but being a "May Like" suggestion to one of the top models could also help with discovery as you'll move way to the front for folks in that model's room.

Current defaults as seen not logged in (guest):

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Guests have the same sorting choices as account holders, but they can't save their settings, so the site reverts to CamScore each time they come back. The sidebar does default to Top 10 Popular Rooms, so I'd agree that viewer count is a decent second in importance to having newer folks stumble onto you. I don't know how you'd manipulate it, but being a "May Like" suggestion to one of the top models could also help with discovery as you'll move way to the front for folks in that model's room.

I find the most popular room to be a good way for me to find models I am not familiar with. Especially, if I'm horny and just want to see a girl doing a cum show. I think adding bots is reasonable effective way at hacking the system. Although, I think models/studios are generally pretty stupid about it. If girl normal has 6 premium and 20 guests, adding 1000 bots while she is fulling clothed won't be effective. Premiums will come in and quickly leave. But if she is naked adding 200 bots, will get her on the most popular room list and gradually adding bots as premium come in probably can get her to top 10 most popular rooms. This will get her exposure to premiums in a similar fashion to having a high camscore, and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than trying to boost a girls camscore.

 

[Smores]

The top 10 most popular rooms are displayed on the sidebar when you load the page. It's a way to game the popularity system and get more viewers/tippers. I'm more likely to click on someone when it's an unknown name in the list. I can think of at least one "top model" who used botting to an extreme degree when she was newish and largely unknown last year. She has stopped botting since then–probably in part because she has a solid base of guys, but also probably because I know a lot of people reported her for gaming the system.

Okay, so reformulating my idea, could MFC change the algorithm for listing the 10 "most popular rooms" on the sidebar based on the number of premium and basic users in the room? Completely ignore the guests in making that calculation.

If you weighted premiums as - for example - five times more valuable than basics, your rating would heavily skew towards rooms that attract premiums.

People could still game that system by creating lots of robot basics, but it just makes it a bit harder. MFC might fight against that by removing from the calculation all basic users who are registered three or more months without ever buying tokens....

I'm not arguing for or against anything specific. I am just saying that in general MFC could make it hard to scam the system.