MFC Agent ??banned?

[LailaBaise]

LoL... wat? She was on house arrest? Some of her minions speak out of their asses on a hourly basis. Also the "she's my hero" thing made me :lol: .

Do you think that is a house arrest imposed by Leo? As in, do not leave your house if you are camming? Enough is enough kind of thing?

 

[Mikeythegeek]

LoL... wat? She was on house arrest? Some of her minions speak out of their asses on a hourly basis. Also the "she's my hero" thing made me :lol: .

Do you think that is a house arrest imposed by Leo? As in, do not leave your house if you are camming? Enough is enough kind of thing?

If Leo told her "no more camming outside of your house and no more random people being invited over while you're camming or you'll be removed from the site," then I think that would be fair to everyone.

 

[AmberCutie]

LoL... wat? She was on house arrest? Some of her minions speak out of their asses on a hourly basis. Also the "she's my hero" thing made me :lol: .

Do you think that is a house arrest imposed by Leo? As in, do not leave your house if you are camming? Enough is enough kind of thing?

No idea, I mean it DID seem weird that right after her previous bout of public (out in public, not just free chat) shows she did a whole week or two just at home in her room or yard. Maybe she got warned, but who knows. Regardless, she's back at it, clearly.

 

[allaplgs]

I haven't seen her online in a while, guess she must have blocked my state or something.
No loss to me.

She blocked a few states and according to one of her "ass kissers" it wont be soon when the states are unbanned.

She banned one of my regulars because she "saw him tipping other models large numbers of tokens" to which he replied, "I tip the girls that need tips, not the ones that get tipped all of the time". She said well if you don't tip, then you can leave and banned him. Niiiice.

 

[AngelAndrea]

I haven't seen her online in a while, guess she must have blocked my state or something.
No loss to me.

She blocked a few states and according to one of her "ass kissers" it wont be soon when the states are unbanned.

She banned one of my regulars because she "saw him tipping other models large numbers of tokens" to which he replied, "I tip the girls that need tips, not the ones that get tipped all of the time". She said well if you don't tip, then you can leave and banned him. Niiiice.

He should have said "I tip models who use THEMSELVES to make money and don't need other people unsuspecting in the background to entertain me." And good for him for never having to see THAT again lol

 

[morment]

She blocked a few states and according to one of her "ass kissers" it wont be soon when the states are unbanned.

She banned one of my regulars because she "saw him tipping other models large numbers of tokens" to which he replied, "I tip the girls that need tips, not the ones that get tipped all of the time". She said well if you don't tip, then you can leave and banned him. Niiiice.

I couldn't care less if she never unblocks my state, I've only been in her room a handful of times and frankly I don't get the appeal.

That's ridiculous, completely unsurprising given everything I've read about her on here, but to expect a member to only tip you is insane

 

[Jupiter551]

A99's antics may not affect girls incomes as much as girls doing public show, and I understand that. Having CHILDREN on cam is a huge deal. If one of the parents found out or police or the FBI or something found out and they knew that Leo knew with the multiple emails, screenshots, complaints, and comments stating this is what she does for MONTHS now, dont you think that something bad would happen? I am not saying what but there are a number of possibilities.

But, this right here shows that Leo does not care about anything but money. End of story.

She kills boners, that affects all your incomes!

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

A99's antics may not affect girls incomes as much as girls doing public show, and I understand that. Having CHILDREN on cam is a huge deal. If one of the parents found out or police or the FBI or something found out and they knew that Leo knew with the multiple emails, screenshots, complaints, and comments stating this is what she does for MONTHS now, dont you think that something bad would happen? I am not saying what but there are a number of possibilities.

But, this right here shows that Leo does not care about anything but money. End of story.

She kills boners, that affects all your incomes!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Touché.

 

[reggieholtz]

You know, I've been enjoying reading the last 10 and half pages of you guys complaining about the same things, post after post, repeating what the last person said then arguing w/those that don't mind her antics (my words, not theirs). I was debating whether or not to respond but I think I will. I don't expect everyone to read all of this and I may be talking to myself but that's alright. I'm also not one of her "marks" that think she does no wrong and will fight for her any day of the week. Truth is, I think she is batshit crazy and may possibly need to be locked up. Also, demanding that people tip or else you get banned is behind ridiculous. I may also take a lot of heat and criticism but that's fine too, I'm an outsider here anyway.

As these posts have accumulated it started w/complaints about her having guys on camera and not getting banned or suspended for it because it broke the "no guys on cam" rule. Yeah, she did and should have had some kind of punishment. However, there is a rule that states, basically, no cum shows in public chat. Do you realize how often this happens? A freaking lot. I see it all the time, not just by top 20 models but everyone. No one complains about that, in fact I know at least one person that posts here (sorry, I haven't seen a lot of you on) that comes (no pun intended) to breaking that rule. While she doesn't what's difference between almost cumming on cam and actually doing it. Either way, it's a rule you can't do that and it's being broken.

Then the complaints went the way of "OMG there was a kid 50 yards away and they were on cam". Now, I'm going to preface this by saying in way do I condone kids being on cam on any site, however, when you saw the kids on cam were they looking at her or the cam? Or was their back turned or were they looking elsewhere? I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but chances are they didn't see her. I've actually been watching when she was in public and the times I've seen her she's appeared to be nervous about what she's doing. I don't believe she would intentially put herself in jeopardy of being in trouble like that. Furthermore, how long was the kid on camera, half a second? Also, the comparisons to child porn are way off.

I think this thread has gotten to the point where it's just pure hatred towards her regardless of what she does you guys will bag on her and complain.

The truth is, no some of the things she is doing isn't right and she should be punished for some of those things. However, if you notice she gets some mighty big tips which means more money back to the site. Because of this, while she could get suspended, she'll never be banned. She's making lots of money for the site. Is it fair? No. Could you get away w/the same thing? Possibly, if you brought in enough money.

While I've been known to watch out of curiousity of what she'll do next (which is probably most people) I can't for the life of me figure out why so many people tip big like they do. Really? She's threatening you to tip. That's the equivilent of "give me your lunch money, kid".

If you're reading to this point, thanks, and I await your backlash.

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

However, there is a rule that states, basically, no cum shows in public chat. Do you realize how often this happens? A freaking lot. I see it all the time, not just by top 20 models but everyone. No one complains about that

Ummm models and members have complained about that on this forum NUMEROUS times. The reason it is not being complained about in this thread is because it is a thread about Agent 99.

Lurk MOAR.

 

[Teagz]

However, there is a rule that states, basically, no cum shows in public chat. Do you realize how often this happens? A freaking lot. I see it all the time, not just by top 20 models but everyone. No one complains about that, in fact I know at least one person that posts here (sorry, I haven't seen a lot of you on) that comes (no pun intended) to breaking that rule. While she doesn't what's difference between almost cumming on cam and actually doing it. Either way, it's a rule you can't do that and it's being broken.

Then the complaints went the way of "OMG there was a kid 50 yards away and they were on cam". Now, I'm going to preface this by saying in way do I condone kids being on cam on any site, however, when you saw the kids on cam were they looking at her or the cam? Or was their back turned or were they looking elsewhere? I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but chances are they didn't see her. I've actually been watching when she was in public and the times I've seen her she's appeared to be nervous about what she's doing. I don't believe she would intentially put herself in jeopardy of being in trouble like that. Furthermore, how long was the kid on camera, half a second?

First off, yes, while cumming in public is against the rules - if a child on the site sees it, then they were looking for it. If a child sees it in public - they, and everyone else are innocent bystanders that don't go to hotels/restaurants/whatever to see a woman masturbate and show her tits. That's the issue here. It doesn't matter if the kid was on cam for half a second or for 20 minutes. She still had a child on cam, she still had innocent unknowing bystanders on cam. They are children, men, and women. No children and men are allowed on cam & women must be a registered model to be on cam. But, fuck, they don't even know they're on an adult camming site. Now, to the sentence I put in bold; it makes absolutely no sense at all. She's putting herself in jeopardy INTENTIONALLY every single time she does a public show. Exposing your genitalia is against the law. One of my old teachers got arrested for taking a piss in public. She's not sleep-walking, ffs. She's knowingly going in public, and masturbating in front of people. Hope my post doesn't come off as too 'backlash-y'. Just trying to help you understand where we're coming from.

 

[Sia Green]

I don't believe she would intentially put herself in jeopardy of being in trouble like that. Furthermore, how long was the kid on camera, half a second?

For a few shows she actually went into a womans bathroom in a public place and filmed unsuspecting woman. Not sure how much more "intentional" it can get. If she ever filmed me or my child in a public place (no I dont have kids) Id go on a murdering rampage.

 

[LilyVonShtupp]

However, there is a rule that states, basically, no cum shows in public chat. Do you realize how often this happens? A freaking lot. I see it all the time, not just by top 20 models but everyone. No one complains about that

Actually, I have seen multiple complaints about that in this thread alone. I don't know that anyone here is pro-rule breaking. Many girls are struggling and believe that they have no option other than to break the rules to compete with the other models. When you think about what you do in group or private it becomes less difficult to see yourself doing it in public chat. I doubt many models think about the fact that minors could be viewing and when they do think about it they do not picture a 10 year old who is curious about sex, they picture a 16 year old boy, who would have been looking at Daddy's playboys well before now anyway.

I'm not saying that's acceptable, but when you're trying to make money and you're all alone in your room with a bunch of horny adults paying you to do things the edges sometimes tend to blur and you think "well, I'd do it in group, why not in public? It's the sites responsibility to ensure people are the correct age."

Often the more you see other girls doing it and the more they get away with it the less you feel like sticking to the rules yourself.

That's just human. This is why there are rules and why they mean nothing if they are not enforced.

Agent 99 just happens to be the most blatant rule breaker. She is forthright, abrasive, and very in your face about the fact that she is breaking rules. That type of attitude is going to be met with an equal amount of outrage.

The problem here is not "which form of inappropriate conduct in the presence of a minor is worse?", the problem is that there are rules in place and no consistency whatsoever in the way they are enforced.

 

[reggieholtz]

However, there is a rule that states, basically, no cum shows in public chat. Do you realize how often this happens? A freaking lot. I see it all the time, not just by top 20 models but everyone. No one complains about that

Ummm models and members have complained about that on this forum NUMEROUS times. The reason it is not being complained about in this thread is because it is a thread about Agent 99.

Lurk MOAR.

It may not be complained about in this thread (honestly, I don't have the time to go back and verify that) but by admission you admit that it has been complained about on this site. So why not start a thread where everyone bitches about each other for breaking that rule.

Also, it seems like everyone is more concerned about a kid seeing her do whatever in public but don't care if the same kid sees it online. Doesn't that sound a bit, well, odd? To use the "he was looking for it" is a lame excuse to condone breaking a rule. I admit if I was under 18 I'd look up porn too, but to say it's ok for you to do exactly what she's doing in the privacy of your own home in public chat where a kid could see and what she's doing in public in front of people is wrong doesn't make sense.

Here me out. If little Jimmy is at a hotel w/his parents and a floozy is on a lobby couch w/her computer open and she's got her teets out and he sees it, that's bad. Yes, I agree. Now, on the other hand, little Jimmy was at school and he and his friends were looking at the friend's dad Playboy. He goes home finds MFC (don't ask how, just follow along) and sees you playing w/yourself in public chat, that's ok because he was looking for it. In both instances, he saw something he shouldn't because people were breaking the rules. You can't tell me there's a difference just because he was looking for it. That's like getting in a fight w/someone and they say "why don't you just kill me" and you do it. Well, he was asking for it, why should I be guilty of anything?

Also, when I said I don't think she would but herself in jeopardy like that, I meant as far as getting herself in trouble w/the law and showing kids on camera. Maybe she didn't realize they were there (I wasn't watching, I don't know).

Also, the secretly showing women going to the bathroom issue, I didn't see it but heard about it. Naturally, I don't condone that either and something should have been done about it, like these other issues. I think you guys have gotten way off track and are hating on her when you should be hating on the mods of the site. They are the ones not punishing her.

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

We do plenty of hating on the Mods of the site, have you even actually read this thread?

Also, once again. When you go out in public there are laws in place to protect people from seeing sexual acts. If a child logs on to a PORN site and sees...wait for it...PORN, that is the parents fault for not properly monitoring their child's internet usage.

As you can see comparing the two is apples and oranges. As for creating a thread to bitch about public shows DO IT!

I do not do public shows so I feel pretty goddamn justified saying I hate that Agent breaks the rules of the site and I will get mean and nasty and bitch all I want.

Ahhh freedom :thumbleft:

 

[GreatDane]

In the state that A99 is currently residing, there is a law in place

2907.09 Public indecency.
(A) No person shall recklessly do any of the following, under circumstances in which the person’s conduct is likely to be viewed by and affront others who are in the person’s physical proximity and who are not members of the person’s household:

(1) Expose the person’s private parts;

(2) Engage in sexual conduct or masturbation;

(3) Engage in conduct that to an ordinary observer would appear to be sexual conduct or masturbation.

(B) No person shall knowingly do any of the following, under circumstances in which the person’s conduct is likely to be viewed by and affront another person who is a minor, who is not the spouse of the offender, and who resides in the person’s household:

(1) Engage in masturbation;

(2) Engage in sexual conduct;

(3) Engage in conduct that to an ordinary observer would appear to be sexual conduct or masturbation;

(4) Expose the person’s private parts with the purpose of personal sexual arousal or gratification or to lure the minor into sexual activity.

(C)(1) Whoever violates this section is guilty of public indecency and shall be punished as provided in divisions (C)(2), (3), (4), and (5) of this section.

(2) Except as otherwise provided in division (C)(2) of this section, a violation of division (A)(1) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one violation of this section, a violation of division (A)(1) of this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree or, if any person who was likely to view and be affronted by the offender’s conduct was a minor, a misdemeanor of the second degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to two violations of this section, a violation of division (A)(1) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree or, if any person who was likely to view and be affronted by the offender’s conduct was a minor, a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to three or more violations of this section, a violation of division (A)(1) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree or, if any person who was likely to view and be affronted by the offender’s conduct was a minor, a felony of the fifth degree.

(3) Except as otherwise provided in division (C)(3) of this section, a violation of division (A)(2) or (3) of this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one violation of this section, a violation of division (A)(2) or (3) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree or, if any person who was likely to view and be affronted by the offender’s conduct was a minor, a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to two or more violations of this section, a violation of division (A)(2) or (3) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree or, if any person who was likely to view and be affronted by the offender’s conduct was a minor, a felony of the fifth degree.

(4) Except as otherwise provided in division (C)(4) of this section, a violation of division (B)(1), (2), or (3) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one violation of this section, a violation of division (B)(1), (2), or (3) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to two or more violations of this section, a violation of division (B)(1), (2), or (3) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree.

(5) Except as otherwise provided in division (C)(5) of this section, a violation of division (B)(4) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to any violation of this section, a violation of division (B)(4) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree.

Effective Date: 07-01-1996; 09-26-2005; 04-04-2007
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.09 Website for verification if you wish

 

[AmberCutie]

Here me out. If little Jimmy is at a hotel w/his parents and a floozy is on a lobby couch w/her computer open and she's got her teets out and he sees it, that's bad. Yes, I agree. Now, on the other hand, little Jimmy was at school and he and his friends were looking at the friend's dad Playboy. He goes home finds MFC (don't ask how, just follow along) and sees you playing w/yourself in public chat, that's ok because he was looking for it. In both instances, he saw something he shouldn't because people were breaking the rules. You can't tell me there's a difference just because he was looking for it.

Yes I can tell you there's a difference. It's all about intent. Little Jimmy INTENDS to find something adult related when he looks at the playboy, turns on the porn DVD he found in his parents room, or finds MFC on his parents computer. (Which, might I add, should all be prevented by the parents.) When out at a hotel with his parents Little Jimmy doesn't INTEND on seeing the floozy in the lobby with her legs spread and pussy on display. And his parents certainly don't INTEND to expose him to that.

As these posts have accumulated it started w/complaints about her having guys on camera and not getting banned or suspended for it because it broke the "no guys on cam" rule. Yeah, she did and should have had some kind of punishment. However, there is a rule that states, basically, no cum shows in public chat. Do you realize how often this happens? A freaking lot. I see it all the time, not just by top 20 models but everyone. No one complains about that, in fact I know at least one person that posts here (sorry, I haven't seen a lot of you on) that comes (no pun intended) to breaking that rule. While she doesn't what's difference between almost cumming on cam and actually doing it. Either way, it's a rule you can't do that and it's being broken.

We are all aware that MFC's rules are widely broken, but they do seem to normally pay attention to man on cam. The only bans we ever see handed out are for man on cam, even in cases where it's just a hand or a voice in the background. So that this very blatant breaking of that very rule goes on without punishment, it leaves us all bewildered. We sit here in fear that if our husband walks past the cam on accident for 2 seconds or comes in the room (not even seen) and is heard or sensed in the room that we'll get banned, yet Agent99 just goes about her man on cam shows so nonchalantly, as if she's been granted a pass and won't be banned. THAT, my friend, is what has everyone so riled up.

 

[MadisonLeigh]

Really, people can't see a difference between a minor who's old enough to choose what he looks at on the internet and whose parents are not monitoring his internet access, and a child who sees a woman masturbating in real life? So for those of you who think it's the same thing...none of you ever viewed any type of pornography before you were 18, and if you did, you were horribly traumatized? I certainly did, but I was seeking it out myself, not seeing someone masturbate in public before I was old enough to understand it.

Now, my issue with A99 is really more about showing the women in the bathroom, that was when she crossed the line for me. I just don't understand how you could not logically see the difference between a child seeing something in public that they may not understand, and a kid who is old enough to choose to go to a porn site. There's a pretty vast mental difference between a 4 year old and a 16 year old, even though they're both considered minors under the law. Most girls do something that's inappropriate for minors to see even if it's not a full on penetration show, so maybe we should call everyone out who is even broadcasting on MFC. But getting preachy about penetration shows and trying to change the subject is really missing the point of what's wrong with A99.

 

[reggieholtz]

Amber, don't get me wrong, I totally understand the frustration regarding you ladies getting warned, punished, banned for the same thing she's doing and nothing is said to her. It's unfortunate that it happens but like I said in my original post, it's my belief that because of the amount of money that she makes (a portion of which goes to MFC) they aren't going to do anything to her. The more money she makes the more MFC makes. Sad but true. There is a remedy, go to a different site. One that is more relax. No one is forcing you to continue camming on MFC.

Also, yes, there's a difference between little Jimmy finding the stuff and being exposed in public. Yes, however, what some of the models were trying to justify was they were doing it on the site and it's ok because he stumbled upon it and didn't show it off in public to people who didn't want to see. Either way, he was exposed (whether you knew it or not) and because it was on the site you don't care that's his parent's fault. Yes, it's their fault but at the same time if you hadn't broken the masterbation in public chat rule he wouldn't have been exposed. See my point?

 

[AmberCutie]

I see your point and still disagree with you.

You're comparing apples to oranges and can't use that as an argument.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

This brings up an interesting question that popped in my head last night...

What if some random model who has a boyfriend or husband decides to have a day where he's on cam with her, but they're doing nothing sexual? They're just sitting there chatting with the room about random shit and they're fully dressed and the model even makes it clear as day that there will be no flashing or anything like that. What happens then?

The way I look at it is that if MFC does fine that model, then my amateur legal knowledge says that the model may have grounds to go after Leo and MFC. I'm not certain what the specific charges could be and I'm not sure the case would even get anywhere, but lawsuits have been filed for far more ridiculous things.

I'm not advocating any model trying this at all. I'm just throwing it out there.

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

Amber, don't get me wrong, I totally understand the frustration regarding you ladies getting warned, punished, banned for the same thing she's doing and nothing is said to her. It's unfortunate that it happens but like I said in my original post, it's my belief that because of the amount of money that she makes (a portion of which goes to MFC) they aren't going to do anything to her. The more money she makes the more MFC makes. Sad but true. There is a remedy, go to a different site. One that is more relax. No one is forcing you to continue camming on MFC.

Also, yes, there's a difference between little Jimmy finding the stuff and being exposed in public. Yes, however, what some of the models were trying to justify was they were doing it on the site and it's ok because he stumbled upon it and didn't show it off in public to people who didn't want to see. Either way, he was exposed (whether you knew it or not) and because it was on the site you don't care that's his parent's fault. Yes, it's their fault but at the same time if you hadn't broken the masterbation in public chat rule he wouldn't have been exposed. See my point?

I think everyone see's your point. BUT this thread is not debating whether or not masturbation on MFC in free chat is wrong or not, it is debating the blatant rule AND law breaking antics of Agent 99. See MY point?

 

[reggieholtz]

Yes, Lydia, I see you point and don't argue that. I only brought the masterbation issue because people were getting hyped over her breaking an MFC rule while so many other's were too and it's like they wanted to just forget that others do it and go after Agent because, it really seems there's a lot of frustration towards her.

Speaking of laws, yes, I believe something should be done about her bathroom antics, but that is something that needs to be brought up to law enforcement. If you are really that concerned, notify the police department, and since it went out world wide, I would think it could be a federal crime as well.

 

[LilyVonShtupp]

Amber, don't get me wrong, I totally understand the frustration regarding you ladies getting warned, punished, banned for the same thing she's doing and nothing is said to her. It's unfortunate that it happens but like I said in my original post, it's my belief that because of the amount of money that she makes (a portion of which goes to MFC) they aren't going to do anything to her. The more money she makes the more MFC makes. Sad but true. There is a remedy, go to a different site. One that is more relax. No one is forcing you to continue camming on MFC.

...Gotta love that logic. Nothing will ever change so simply let it happen and go elsewhere. Never speak your mind, never be angry. Never try to make things better. Just leave. I am so glad I don't live in your world.

Personally I feel the only way anything would change is if a bunch of top models and prems boycotted the site. Then she would be causing them to lose money and something would have to change. Only thing is, getting a large enough number of people to agree to do this for a day or so. (or longer if they actually hold out that long).

Then, of course, you would also have to accept that they would start enforcing their other rules as well because they wont let something like that go by without rubbing your nose in the "fine, you want rules? We'll give you rules!" mess.

 

[reggieholtz]

Lily, sure it may not be the best resolution. "I'll take my ball and go home" but if you feel you're geting fined or punished for doing much less than someone else and the person in charge doesn't care what you have to say then why would you stick around to be abused (unless that's what you're in to :-D ) But you have the right idea, PM all of the top models and tell them the situation, they may not know and side w/you and threaten to go elsewhere (hey, I hear Skinvideo isn't doing well, I'm sure you could boost them up). You have to take a stand and not just sit and complain on a secondary site, doing that, like complaining to "management", isn't getting anything resolved.

 

[AmberCutie]

Lily, sure it may not be the best resolution. "I'll take my ball and go home" but if you feel you're geting fined or punished for doing much less than someone else and the person in charge doesn't care what you have to say then why would you stick around to be abused (unless that's what you're in to :-D ) But you have the right idea, PM all of the top models and tell them the situation, they may not know and side w/you and threaten to go elsewhere (hey, I hear Skinvideo isn't doing well, I'm sure you could boost them up). You have to take a stand and not just sit and complain on a secondary site, doing that, like complaining to "management", isn't getting anything resolved.

Ahh and here in-lies the misunderstanding. See, a lot of us still do well and enjoy MFC, we aren't willing to risk the good thing we have going for us to "take a stand" against the admins about agent99. However, we CAN come here, and vent our frustrations about it with like minded folks, so that we can carry on with our lives.

I realize now why you're arguing. You miss the point of this thread on this "secondary site".

 

[Zoomer]

@Reggie - whilst I'm sure many would like to make their stand on a moral basis, the simple fact is that for most ladies MFC is probably their primary income. It is all well and good being able to boycott the site by going elsewhere, but it will financially hit them equally as much as it financially hits MFC. The only difference is MFC spreads the risk of that sort of financial problem across thousands of models - so they may not even notice. Meanwhile the girls get foreclosures, lose their cars etc as they've got zero income.

So to try and force MFC to be fair in the rules may be a more severe case of cutting off their own nose to spite their face. If MFC enforced every rule correctly, many girls may lose out even more financially (it may be the graphic nature of their public shows that gives them success after all!).

The way I look at it is that if MFC does fine that model, then my amateur legal knowledge says that the model may have grounds to go after Leo and MFC. I'm not certain what the specific charges could be and I'm not sure the case would even get anywhere, but lawsuits have been filed for far more ridiculous things.

I don't know - it sounds equal to the hypothesis that if you get fined for speeding, whilst another gets cautioned, you can sue the cops? I guess if you could prove it was discrimination based upon race you'd have something, but like you say - otherwise I think you'd be hard pushed to get anywhere. Of course, as the TV series Ed once said - with civil suits, you can sue for anything you like. Doesn't mean you have a case though!

 

[reggieholtz]

Firstly, Amber, allow me to apologize. When I said secondary site I didn't mean any negativity by it. I could have said a "different" site or something to that nature, but I meant no harm. I rather like this site and didn't mean it to sound derogatory.

Secondly, I understand what you ladies are going thru. I think we've all worked some place where people can get away w/things and when you try the same thing you're told you can't do that. We could put up w/the bs or find another job. I guess it's comparable to a job I no longer work at that I care not to mention because of the worldwide name. Before I started working there I found a forum where employees were basically doing the same thing, bitching about the crappy treatment, etc. I see now, that this thread is just like that.

I'll shut my mouth now and let you all carry on. I thought by maybe playing Devil's Advocate that someone might say, "hmm, I can see that side too". But it has just garnered a lot of heat for me and everyone seems to be taking the same stance.

Again, I apologize and will coninue to "lurk moar".

 

[NoelleBright]

Personally I feel the only way anything would change is if a bunch of top models and prems boycotted the site. Then she would be causing them to lose money and something would have to change. Only thing is, getting a large enough number of people to agree to do this for a day or so. (or longer if they actually hold out that long).

I *really* don't think this would ever work out the way you want it to. First of all MFC is generally the main, if not only source of income for not only the top girls, but probably for most of the models on the site, including myself. Now while I may not agree with the way things are being handled regarding Agent, it isn't directly effecting my income. I don't have any less premiums or tippers in my chat when she's online and doing these shows than when she's not.
The only thing I really have to worry about is MY room and how I'm running things. It is not my job to make sure that Leo is enforcing the rules, if I don't like what Agent is doing I just don't watch. Why should I expend my time and energy and take a hit to MY income just to see Agent banned? It's really none of my business.
I also don't really see why so many people are drawing comparisons to girls masturbating in public, it's a totally different issue there. The issue at hand is SO many girls in the past have been fined/banned for having men on cam, and Agent does it regularly with no repercussions. Sure a lot of girls masturbate in public, but Leo isn't being all picky-choosy with the girls who do it, because EVERYONE can do it and get away with it if they wanted to. It would be an entirely different issue if some girls got a slap on the wrist for it and others didn't, but that's not whats happening there.

Bottom line is even if you did hypothetically get all of the tops girls to boycott the site, premiums will still flood to it, and if they were intent on spending tokens/seeing a show, they're going to do it whether or not the top girls are there. Not to mention the absolute field day girls a few rows lower would have once they caught wind of it. Guaranteed there are some beautiful girls sitting in the 6th row who will be happy as shit logging in knowing they don't have to compete with the girls who have the top spots. I'm sure all the talk of a "boycott" would just bring even MORE traffic to the site anyway because everyone will want to know whats going on.

I don't want to seem like a negative nancy, because I don't agree with how things are being handled regarding the situation, but I also don't see a reason for me to get all worked up over it. Is it fair? No, but at the end of the day I still absolutely LOVE my job and greatly enjoy MY time on cam.

 

[Jupiter551]

yet Agent99 just goes about her man on cam shows so nonchalantly, as if she's been granted a pass and won't be banned.

And doesn't she just??

And in addition to all the valid reasons why people object to her blatant rulebreaking, I'll add that it certainly doesn't hurt her opponents that she's a greedy, supremely arrogant, intolerant bitch :twocents-02cents: