Leaving an MFC model's room

[justjoinedtopost]

Nope, girlfriends are more difficult, cause then there are chores.

Not only that, but an annoyed woman irl can be a real handful.
Ticked off a camgirl, she sent nasty pm. I laughed>ignored>hid. Problem solved.
Ticked off a girlfriend. She broke some of my favorite stuff. On purpose.

 

[Camgirl]

MFC baffles me.

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Streamate can be social like MFC, and I have been tipped "just because" plenty of times. I also have lots of "talking" privates, so it isn't just "a wham bam sex site" like a lot of people assume. But there is very rarely any of this weird member/model dynamic going on. Maybe because if members want special attention they just go private?

 

[DeadCamzzz]

MFC baffles me.

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Streamate can be social like MFC, and I have been tipped "just because" plenty of times. I also have lots of "talking" privates, so it isn't just "a wham bam sex site" like a lot of people assume. But there is very rarely any of this weird member/model dynamic going on. Maybe because if members want special attention they just go private?

There is definitely an odd social dynamic on MFC. It's something I've tried to understand for quite some time. Lots of drama. Can get very personal without actually being a relationship... it's weird.

 

[MFCuser]

This thread has gotten so strange to me. It's like MFC is a minefield of entitlement and ego on both sides. How does anyone with these sorts of mindsets manage to have fun there? It sounds exhausting. Is this all some sort of feigned monogamy fetish? I feel like paying to see naked women should be less complicated than all of this.

I laughed when i read this. Its the double edged sword of cam sites, you get the more personal connection than with other porn but if the personal connection goes too far it can kind of ruin it. I talk with my main model enough offline that we are at the point of being actual friends. We text every day and chat on skype (as friends, without paying) multiple hours each week. The problem with this is it is getting king of awkward to see her naked on mfc and/or in videos.

 

[AmberCutie]

I talk with my main model enough offline that we are at the point of being actual friends. ... The problem with this is it is getting king of awkward to see her naked on mfc and/or in videos.

This is the fine line that cam girls try to avoid stepping over. With our favorite members, we do feel like actual friends a lot of times, but once they feel strange watching our shows or paying for our time on cam, it gets hairy.

 

[mynameisbob84]

The more I read of this thread, the more I think maybe Streamate have got the right idea. When you really start to look at it, MFC is such a weird place, essentially cultivating a culture where the more money the site makes, the more hurt feelings there are likely to be. And it should be so simple. Model gets naked and provides a little entertainment, a little companionship; member gets their wallet out (and maybe their cock, I guess) and shows a little appreciation, everybody goes home happy.

The big tips though, are the ones generated not by tits and ass, but by genuine bonds (or at least what feel like genuine bonds). The more a member cares for a model, and the more they feel that model cares for them, the more they can justify spending exorbitant sums of money on her. But by that point, you better call Kenny Loggins, cos you're flying in to the Danger Zone... (yes, I'm bored, what of it?)

The problem is that (generally) the big tips don't start to roll in until everybody involved is IN the Danger Zone (there are obviously exceptions to this rule). In order for MFC to make as much money as possible, their business model calls for as many models and members as possible to be in the Danger Zone at all times. It's no wonder that feelings get hurt, yo.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The more I read of this thread, the more I think maybe Streamate have got the right idea. When you really start to look at it, MFC is such a weird place, essentially cultivating a culture where the more money the site makes, the more hurt feelings there are likely to be. And it should be so simple. Model gets naked and provides a little entertainment, a little companionship; member gets their wallet out (and maybe their cock, I guess) and shows a little appreciation, everybody goes home happy.

The big tips though, are the ones generated not by tits and ass, but by genuine bonds (or at least what feel like genuine bonds). The more a member cares for a model, and the more they feel that model cares for them, the more they can justify spending exorbitant sums of money on her. But by that point, you better call Kenny Loggins, cos you're flying in to the Danger Zone...View attachment 54765 (yes, I'm bored, what of it?)

The problem is that (generally) the big tips don't start to roll in until everybody involved is IN the Danger Zone (there are obviously exceptions to this rule). In order for MFC to make as much money as possible, their business model calls for as many models and members as possible to be in the Danger Zone at all times. It's no wonder that feelings get hurt, yo.[/QUOTE

You have nailed it sir.
It what makes it worse is increasingly the big tips are all that matter. I suspect that for most models 10 members make up close to 1/2 of their income. Things like group shows that use to at least extract some tokens from the many members who don't have the money or interest in becoming a top tipper, are disappearing.

My only other observation is that like many relationships you can back and forth within the danger zone.

 

[yummybrownfox]

The guys on this forum seem like an awesome group of guys, so what I'm about to say probably doesn't even apply to any of you. But I'll post it here anyway...

While we're on the subject of leaving a model's room (though some men who leave a model's room wind up coming back weeks or months later), one thing you should never say to a cam girl is "Well, I have a girlfriend now, so I don't see why I'd have to pay for pussy." *facepalm* Good for you for getting yourself a girlfriend, Mr. Casanova. But you are back in that model's room, aren't you? Your girlfriend could be a straight-up nympho giving you all the mind-blowing sex you could dream of...I don't care. If you choose to come back to a cam girl's room, and you're enjoying that model enough to hang out in her room and post drool emotes, a little tip is appreciated. And you should probably refrain from making comments like "I don't need to pay for pussy." It just rubs us the wrong way. Oh, and guys who do tip aren't always "paying for pussy." Some of them actually tip because they, ya know, think the model is awesome.

 

[Shaun__]

The guys on this forum seem like an awesome group of guys, so what I'm about to say probably doesn't even apply to any of you. But I'll post it here anyway...

While we're on the subject of leaving a model's room (though some men who leave a model's room wind up coming back weeks or months later), one thing you should never say to a cam girl is "Well, I have a girlfriend now

You don't know! I might have a girlfriend one day!

I will show you!

 

[MFCuser]

The more I read of this thread, the more I think maybe Streamate have got the right idea. When you really start to look at it, MFC is such a weird place, essentially cultivating a culture where the more money the site makes, the more hurt feelings there are likely to be. And it should be so simple. Model gets naked and provides a little entertainment, a little companionship; member gets their wallet out (and maybe their cock, I guess) and shows a little appreciation, everybody goes home happy.

The big tips though, are the ones generated not by tits and ass, but by genuine bonds (or at least what feel like genuine bonds). The more a member cares for a model, and the more they feel that model cares for them, the more they can justify spending exorbitant sums of money on her. But by that point, you better call Kenny Loggins, cos you're flying in to the Danger Zone...View attachment 54765 (yes, I'm bored, what of it?)

The problem is that (generally) the big tips don't start to roll in until everybody involved is IN the Danger Zone (there are obviously exceptions to this rule). In order for MFC to make as much money as possible, their business model calls for as many models and members as possible to be in the Danger Zone at all times. It's no wonder that feelings get hurt, yo.

This is very true. And what makes this worse/potentially dangerous are certain models who deliberately lead guys on giving the impression they have a chance to be together.

 

[Puffin]

Lots of great stuff being touched on in this thread.

...I talk with my main model enough offline that we are at the point of being actual friends. We text every day and chat on skype (as friends, without paying) multiple hours each week. The problem with this is it is getting king of awkward to see her naked on mfc and/or in videos.

The awkardness of a 'friend' being naked is a plus to being a non-nude model.

 

[dilligaf0]

Lots of great stuff being touched on in this thread.



The awkardness of a 'friend' being naked is a plus to being a non-nude model.

But then you have the harassment from the idiots to "show something".
Sometimes you just can't win.

 

[schlmoe]

The problem with this is it is getting king of awkward to see her naked on mfc and/or in videos.

I have seen this written here on the forum many times and seen it posted in model's chat rooms. I don't understand or get that at all. There must be something wrong with me. Of course there is, but that's an entirely different story...

 

[schlmoe]

This thread has been...shall we say...very enlightening.

 

[Empress Mika]

Wow, I checked back on this thread and we really derailed.. haha.

I really feel for models that do nudity / masturbation and have a great regular and friend that turns into the, "I now feel awkward seeing you naked/masturbating" or the "I won't pay for pussy" comments for whatever reason. I also do not understand these comments myself and perhaps never will, being a non-nude model. However, it's safe to say that not everyone is like that and duds will be duds. I like to think that, as one door closes, a new one shall open... but perhaps it's better to say that people will tip or not tip for a variety of reasons and we will never understand it fully because we are not in their head.

As far as the attention thing goes, that can mean a lot of different things as well. Attention on cam? Off cam? Or what? Here again, it would depend on the individual model and the way she runs her room. For me, I like to think I give all of my regulars equal attention on cam. If someone is being quiet in free chat, I call them out. I PM all of my regulars every day to say hello. So, there's plenty of opportunity to get a hold of me, while I'm on cam. My room is built upon friendships. I am what you would call a hang out room most of the time, haha. However, I do reward my highest tipper of the night and draw a weekly Skype date raffle. Most, if not all of the tickets available for me to choose from are from my regulars... and there will be more tickets from those that have tipped the most (HT of the night also receives an extra ticket, for example). Sometimes, I'll have multiple people doing a lot for me so I reward them in the same way (whatever the HT prize is and an extra ticket).This is a great way to give extra attention to those doing a lot for me without shunning away the rest of the room, in my opinion and experience. Off cam, I have a group chat on Twitter to keep in touch with everyone and a smaller group chat for my top tippers. I also tweet a lot and respond to tweets others have made (without regard to their tipping status). I guess what I'm getting at is that of course it's correct and appropriate to reward those that are doing the most for you financially but there are ways to do that without shunning away the rest of the room. This also can be said for people that used to tip well but stopped tipping as much, for whatever reason. I like to be happy and grateful for what they did, even if it didn't continue and press on. For me, it's a community as well.

All of this again is what I do but many models aren't like me so... who's to say? The great thing about caming is that both models and chatters can decide for ourselves what to do and how to handle situations regarding tipping and members and everything else. MFC is a little odd I suppose but the freedom and the building of my own community are what I love about it, especially since my entertainment is less obvious. I couldn't imagine myself anywhere else.

Trying to bring all this back to a positive note O_O!

 

[Ambers Troll]

Members should never feel guilty for how they spend or the amounts that they do. The attention a member takes from a model's time does need to be respected, and some spending on her is a part of that. Friendships are an active thing, you either maintain them/ care for them or lose them.
Sometimes your choices can lead to losing people that you really like, so I would recommend to any member to be honest with themselves about any friendships they want to maintain before spending all time and money on a favourite.
When/ if the urge finally does take you to return to an old friend's company, do it and enjoy them guilt free.

 

[Sissy]

I've been on MFC for a little less than a year. I used to bounce around several rooms and was a fairly high tipper in a couple rooms, but recently have been almost exclusive to one model. Now when i'm online and not in these model's rooms they will PM me just chatting but its kind of clear they are trying to get me back into their rooms. I will still pop in here and there to say hi, but I dont tip anywhere near the amounts i used to. I still enjoy them, but I just have more of a connection with the model whose room i have been spending most of my time and tokens in.

What a model's perspective on this. Does it make me look like an asshole for going from almost always being in their room and tipping a lot to almost never being in there but still coming by every now and then? Is it better just to break clean?

how nice of you

 

[Roger]

Wow! Another good find for me! I must say that I am totally guilty of the "drive by" tip, just to say hello. In my mind, I was thinking that it would be nice to let the person know that you were thinking about them and actually back up that thought with a tip ('cause talk is cheap right?). I can't say that I have been a regular in those rooms, but interesting thoughts on how this could be viewed as a bad thing. I sometimes have a very transactional way of thinking and think of the money per time ratio. For example, better to get paid for X dollars for 1 second of your time instead of X dollars for 1 hour of your time. I suppose the reason why there are so many different opinions on this topic (and opinions that I can valid points to) is what I'll call the "X factor." Value received is not necessarily always in terms of dollars / tokens. Some models and members get value out of intellectual / emotional stimulation. This can in turn lead to more dollars / tokens received in the long term I suppose.

I would like to ask the same question on this topic for offline tips. Would the "quick" hello via offline tip be viewed differently?

My personal preference would be that if anyone has issues with my "drive by" tip note hello, feel free to let me know. I certainly do not want to bother / upset people. I am only having fun when I believe others are also having fun.

 

[Swizzles]

I've always said that as a prem, no matter how much you tip, there will always be someone to come along who can and will tip more than you.

However, I never really thought how it affects the model when a hardcore regular stops visiting and tipping as much as they used to. Food for thought...

 

[Empress Mika]

Wow! Another good find for me! I must say that I am totally guilty of the "drive by" tip, just to say hello. In my mind, I was thinking that it would be nice to let the person know that you were thinking about them and actually back up that thought with a tip ('cause talk is cheap right?). I can't say that I have been a regular in those rooms, but interesting thoughts on how this could be viewed as a bad thing. I sometimes have a very transactional way of thinking and think of the money per time ratio. For example, better to get paid for X dollars for 1 second of your time instead of X dollars for 1 hour of your time. I suppose the reason why there are so many different opinions on this topic (and opinions that I can valid points to) is what I'll call the "X factor." Value received is not necessarily always in terms of dollars / tokens. Some models and members get value out of intellectual / emotional stimulation. This can in turn lead to more dollars / tokens received in the long term I suppose.

I would like to ask the same question on this topic for offline tips. Would the "quick" hello via offline tip be viewed differently?

My personal preference would be that if anyone has issues with my "drive by" tip note hello, feel free to let me know. I certainly do not want to bother / upset people. I am only having fun when I believe others are also having fun.

Offline tips are just pure awesome sauce! You can never really go wrong with that ^_^ Also, "drive-by" tips aren't the worst thing in the world. Heck, *every* tip is (or should be) very appreciated. However, the ideal for most cam girls is to be there in her room on her every shift contributing to the conversation and countdowns. Again, this is just my opinion of the ideal... even still, any tips should be very appreciated.

I've always said that as a prem, no matter how much you tip, there will always be someone to come along who can and will tip more than you.

However, I never really thought how it affects the model when a hardcore regular stops visiting and tipping as much as they used to. Food for thought...

It affects the model heavily when a good regular tipper leaves/stops tipping as before. That's why it's best that models try to continue to obtain a steady stream of new tippers so her reliance isn't only on a few people. Easier said than done, of course.

 

[shivawnemerald]

I'm pretty new to the camming world (about 4 weeks) but I've already seen a little bit of MFC drama, not of my own doing. I feel like I already have a few regulars and I welcome their input into the vibe of my room. I think for me this could mean something entirely different to you guys who already probably have pretty stable rooms. I know I'd prefer the person to come still, chat and keep up a good rapport and lively conversation even if it meant they only tipped small amounts. But I've never had high tippers, so I'm not sure what that drop in tokens from one close, particular friendly member would be like. Interesting topic!

 

[TattooedMilfyMama]

..... Its a job? Not a relationship... I mean, i will get friendly with anyone, it my nature to do so... But i wouldnt ever expect anyone to be dedicted to me and get all upset and sad because they had someone else who is better? Im here to do a service, have some laughs and enjoy myself, if i make friends.. Cool. If i dont... then i dont.. when i turn my cam off... Thats all gone.

I have made one long time friend so far though this and we email chit chats and talk about my vids...But if he never spoke to me again... *shrugs* It was fun while it lasted and if he came back and started chatting, i wouldnt get upset because he found someone new to talk too and give money too... Its a service... not a contract..

Just in my opinion is all

Edit: I also am never that fussed about tokens... I like having chats with anyone... But im worth the tokens But in grand scheme of things... I just have a laugh and sexytimes! and get money because people enjoy just being chilled out and not having anything expected from them.

 

[jujoji]

This is all a great deal to take in.
Thank you to all the models and members who've given their perspectives it's very insightful.

I guess perhaps I am one of the worst offenders of this. I've got dozens of models I occasionally drop in, say, "hi" and tip a little and chat for a bit. For the most part I've got five or six models I routinely try to hang out with when they're on. It can be incredibly difficult to balance when more than two come on at the same time; I've had to ignore several to hang out with just one or two.

I can tell you as someone who tries to balance two or more rooms, I miss a bunch. This isn't even taking into account the other things I do at he same time as listening to my favorite models talk.

At the same time, I have dropped relatively big when one of my model friends has been having a slow night or week, has suffered a personal loss, or been in danger of being evicted.

I'm acutely aware how spread thin my meager token amounts get at times; if I'm paying for a group or pvt this month, even more so. How little I give to my longest time model friend, and it hurts me that I can't give more.

To give a perspective on the other side of LaydeeKhaos, there are some models that I can easily live without ever hearing from again; there are others that it would hurt greatly if they disappeared and never spoke to me again. I know every day, that today could be the last day. I know this because some many former friends have left these sites, only occasionally to make brief, fleeting greetings and then they disappear again back into the ether, never to be heard from again.

It will be an amazingly sad day when Iris retires.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Wow! Another good find for me! I must say that I am totally guilty of the "drive by" tip, just to say hello. In my mind, I was thinking that it would be nice to let the person know that you were thinking about them and actually back up that thought with a tip ('cause talk is cheap right?)

Well, for ME, you even tipping and saying a quick hello is very cool, and so much better (and more polite) than lurking the room for an hour without ever greeting me. But as much as I enjoy having a good conversation with different members, you are not at all obligated or pressured to stick around to chat if you don't want to. The tipping and saying hello has already put a smile on my face.

If you're leaving my room to go visit your favorite model, cool, but just don't announce to me and everyone that that's the reason (That'd be shitty). Shhhh. Just say goodnight and go ahead.

 

[Not_Reqd]

My auto reply to every initial PM is: I don't have any fucking tokens! Seriously.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I totally understand what Alice is saying but... (there always is) I've lost track of how many times I've see twitter lately models complaining about how nobody is talking in there rooms. It seems to be me there's been at last 1/2 dozen threads on the subject in the last few months.

So here is a member who is not only talking, but also tipping albeit much lower level and you say no go away. So which is it do you want talkers and tippers, or do you not want to be remaining that on a site with thousands of models that member has found a model that he likes better now.

I'm so confused.

To he honest I like it when a guy is just honest with me.

I have one who says..."hey just dropping by to say hi before I join another friend..." He will drop some tokens, conversation, ask me how I am doing and then politely let me know when he is on his way. I've come to expect this and so I don't get upset or offended...