Is there a decline in the number of Chaturbate's viewers?

[dark_mermaid]

I was so stressed out the first time I had a bad show in months and emailed CB freaking out.

Here was part of their response:

"The algorithm that establishes how cams are sorted on Chaturbate is designed to increase user engagement and highlight rooms that are currently fun to watch. When Chaturbate first launched, we used a simple algorithm that counted the number of users in a room. Unfortunately, that algorithm was easily cheated by the use of bots. Our current algorithm is continuously improved and uses many metrics to detect which rooms are currently interesting to a given user. Our goal will always be to increase time-on-site. Therefore, our recommendation to independent broadcasters is to attract as many real users to your room as possible, and to keep them engaged for as long as possible."

Thank you for posting this. Very interesting.

When I first learned of bot accounts being used on cb I was very angry. Now I've looked a bit deeper into it and there is a considerable gray area.

It's totally common that users have more than one account. Is the second account a "real user" too or just the first? Or the third or the one hundredth? What if he or she does the same from a white label? Real users? Not real users?

At some point the line to "self tipping" gets very blurry and that is something that, as far as i know, is not really advertised but somehow accepted on camsites, not just cb.

 

[Lucid1]

This is mostly an interruption in the broadcast itself. Meaning cam went off for some seconds, connection to chat was lost, such things on the side of the broadcaster. At least when cam goes off for a minute or so (don't ask me for the exact time necessary), the room shows with just "1 minute" or "2 minutes" etc., the timer that shows online time was restarted after cam went back on.

So the bug is dependent on whether or not the timer is reset for the model?

If not, then something else is up, because another model with less than 2 minutes and just 359 users just popped up on the front page in the top 10, displacing models with hours online and thousands of users. So either some models are getting punished by the bug you speak of and being placed on higher pages when their timer does not reset, while others are benefiting from it by being placed on the front page when their cam goes off for a certain length of time and their timer does reset.

 

[dark_mermaid]

So the bug is dependent on whether or not the timer is reset for the model?

If not, then something else is up, because another model with less than 2 minutes and just 359 users just popped up on the front page in the top 10, displacing models with hours online and thousands of users. So either some models are getting punished by the bug you speak of and being placed on higher pages when their timer does not reset, while others are benefiting from it by being placed on the front page when their cam goes off for a certain length of time and their timer does reset.

This might not be related with the reset of the online time shown. Rooms also reappear on an "odd" position after a private show is over for example. The rooms gets put where it was before the private show started but many viewers will have left the room during the private show. How long these rooms stay at this position despite having lost viewers with a privat show I do not know.

An extreme example would be a room has 20,000 viewers and is THE top room, a private show starts that is long, after the private show ends there are only 100 viewers left. When the room goes online again, it would be THE top room again but only have 100 viewers.
Now don't ask me what happens, when additionally cam goes off during the private show or before the room goes public again or the rooms gets refreshed by hitting "F5"...

 

[Natalie_Lavender]

I don’t have much to contribute to this thread because in 1.5 years I’ve been camming on CB, I’ve never looked for my room on page placement. I’m more focused on the users in my room at that moment & engaging with them.

This might not be related with the reset of the online time shown. Rooms also reappear on an "odd" position after a private show is over for example. The rooms gets put where it was before the private show started but many viewers will have left the room during the private show. How long these rooms stay at this position despite having lost viewers with a privat show I do not know.

I will say that I did a rare (for me) “strip down then cumshow” show last night, that I noticed some interesting things during. I’m typically a nude model using Lush (or other Lovense toys), and only ever on for about 2 hours a night. All my regulars were present & I allow greys to chat, as long as they behave themselves. Many users were a bit more chatty than they usually are, which I love because I can talk forever. And there were the usual spikes in users when someone would tip for one of my more popular moves/positions. But at one point the count tripled. Not from users trickling in, but chunks at a time. At the peak of user count it was also my time to log off, but then I got a private. The private was about 30-40 minutes and when I returned there were only 30 users in my room. So I started saying my goodbyes, then before I knew it the number of users jumped to almost exactly what it was before I went into the private. I ended up staying on for almost another 2 hours because everyone was chatting and tipping. So coming back from a private and getting set back to your original page placement seems very likely. But again, I’m not sure where I was because I don’t look.

 

[cbhours]

The private was about 30-40 minutes and when I returned there were only 30 users in my room. So I started saying my goodbyes, then before I knew it the number of users jumped to almost exactly what it was before I went into the private.

When a private ends CB fills the room with anonymous users that have positional value (i call them ghosts i dunno what cb calls them) but they are basically temporary place holders for the users that left but they don't necessarily show up as soon as the private ends it might take a few mins before you actually see the user count jump back up and then after a while they go away.

 

[Deleted member 36060]

Any colored name entering a room that has no colored names would dramatically move up a models position, doesnt have to be purple. All models with no colored names are equal and sorted by time online as is the case with any model on equal ranking value. So model A and model B have a single light blue in their room but model B has been online longer then model B will be in front.

Okay, dumb question.. Say if a user is actually dark purple but chooses to hide as a light or dark blue. Does this affect anything with the algorithm? I already know the answer is no idea, but would the little things like that make impact in placement maths.

 

[DoD404]

I don’t have much to contribute to this thread because in 1.5 years I’ve been camming on CB, I’ve never looked for my room on page placement. I’m more focused on the users in my room at that moment & engaging with them.

That is definitively the best thing to do.
If you're not with your tippers, staring on your position, they won't feel you with them as well, and they'll leave naturally.
There are very few cams who make only "porn", streaming in the void with almost no interaction. That attracts many users, ok, but porn's customers and not so much model's viewers (tippers)

Here, you're right to really *cam* and don't worry, tippers will find you anyway in the deeps of 5th page.

Okay, dumb question.. Say if a user is actually dark purple but chooses to hide as a light or dark blue. Does this affect anything with the algorithm? I already know the answer is no idea, but would the little things like that make impact in placement maths.

yes, really, dumb question ; )

For the last time (this is repeated so many times here and there, on other forums and other medias ) :
User's color doesn't and has never impacted anything directly in this algo.
1 user is 1 user, blue, gray or anonymous count the same.

Tokens present in room does affect the room. Tipped or not.
Tokens tipped affect also the placement, as a witness of room's activity.

How color impact a room is more psychological, like :
Model feels better with 'serious' viewers, then acts better, then the show is lightly better and color named stays
New user coming in see 'serious' viewers, thing that room is serious, then stay a bit longer.
A user coming in a room full of gray would not stay so long seeing a model with a bored face concerned in not having color names in hi room : ) (you're never incline to enter in an empty bar :/)

If you just don't care and accept to be comfy with greys, your show doesn't have to wait for color names to get better and you would rise up lightly faster.
Never forget that all tippers were grey, you can freely interact with them, many are honest and some are cute)
just silence dumbs , or silence greys if you're over say 400-500 users as it becomes difficult to manage.

Nothing annoys me more than seeing a model just waking up from bored status, moving to 'show the goods' when I enter, being the only colored in her room... I just run out of there.

 

[Deleted member 36060]

yes, really, dumb question ; )

Haha! Okay

I just don't want to feel that something as simple as changing ones color status to a lower tier could possibly make an impact on page placement. Glad it does not.

 

[Natalie_Lavender]

When a private ends CB fills the room with anonymous users that have positional value (i call them ghosts i dunno what cb calls them) but they are basically temporary place holders for the users that left but they don't necessarily show up as soon as the private ends it might take a few mins before you actually see the user count jump back up and then after a while they go away.

Hmmm. Well mine stayed around & majority weren’t anonymous. I greet everyone that enters my room & I was doing that for a while.

 

[cbhours]

Okay, dumb question.. Say if a user is actually dark purple but chooses to hide as a light or dark blue. Does this affect anything with the algorithm? I already know the answer is no idea, but would the little things like that make impact in placement maths.

A user changing their display color has no impact on the algorithm even in the past when there may have been a very obvious but brief difference between the impact of some colors.

For the last time (this is repeated so many times here and there, on other forums and other medias ) :
User's color doesn't and has never impacted anything directly in this algo.
1 user is 1 user, blue, gray or anonymous count the same.

Tokens present in room does affect the room. Tipped or not.
Tokens tipped affect also the placement, as a witness of room's activity.

What? a grey or anonymous doesnt count the same as colored names

 

[DoD404]

When a private ends CB fills the room with anonymous users that have positional value

?!? I never observed that. It seems silly, sorry

What? a grey or anonymous doesn't count the same as colored names

How can you affirm that this way ? There is absolutely no clue to pretend that, only fake feelings : )
and indeed, they count exactly the same for the room's score.
"registered users" count only for the hourly contest.

Some studios have promoting bots making fake anonymous.
Models know it well : they are notified with by the studio, to be a minimum active during this time of promotion.
Then studio create the anonymous little crowd during few minutes, the time to refresh the site wall twice or 3 times.
(and that is enough to work)

 

[dark_mermaid]

Bot nets with only anonymous users will exist but they are not effective. The effective bot nets on cb right now have users in all kinds of colors, meaning they control accounts that have tokens and even spend tokens.

Even gray users have been taken out of the algorithm to determine room placement mostly. I think "one token" accounts have been reduced too in the last weeks.´in their weight for room placement but not sure.

 

[cbhours]

?!? I never observed that. It seems silly, sorry



How can you affirm that this way ? There is absolutely no clue to pretend that, only fake feelings : )
and indeed, they count exactly the same for the room's score.
"registered users" count only for the hourly contest.

Some studios have promoting bots making fake anonymous.
Models know it well : they are notified with by the studio, to be a minimum active during this time of promotion.
Then studio create the anonymous little crowd during few minutes, the time to refresh the site wall twice or 3 times.
(and that is enough to work)

Well to confirm that anonymous do not count is easily done. I can simply pay a shady low priced popup advertiser that will sell me traffic they claim is real but it's not and they just sit there in the room for a while and that shows up as anonymous traffic. It does nothing for a rooms position. For greys every once in a while someone will attempt to make an army of greys but it does nothing each time.

 

[dark_mermaid]

Highly likely that an empty room will win the hourly contest right now. Quite absurd but well over 2,000 gray users are watching a room with no broadcaster in it.

 

[dark_mermaid]

Yes, she won. Room had no broadcaster in it for at least 30 minutes and just displayed an empty room but . Magic.

I do not care for the contest personally but I know others do and give their best to win it. I'm sorry for them.

 

[KingMarti]

Yes, she won. Room had no broadcaster in it for at least 30 minutes and just displayed an empty room but . Magic.

I do not care for the contest personally but I know others do and give their best to win it. I'm sorry for them.

There are 2 rooms on the contest tab with 0 registered viewers there now which seems odd, and for me at least the featured page dosnt display anyone as being online

 

[Deleted member 36060]

Yes, she won. Room had no broadcaster in it for at least 30 minutes and just displayed an empty room but . Magic.

I do not care for the contest personally but I know others do and give their best to win it. I'm sorry for them.

She probably had a significant amounts of point at the top of the hour when she logged off that she was still able to take first place.
Happens often.

 

[dark_mermaid]

No, not what happened. The room was online (broadcasting) but it showed an empty room for over 30 minutes and a sign "on break". She had a stable amount of about 2,000 gray users stare at an empty room, most blue and purple left but the gray accounts just kept "watching".

If the cam goes off, you can see what you describe (contest stats show zero viewers and the points earned until cam went offline).

 

[Deleted member 36060]

Don't know what to say. Guess you found a bot user? Hope not.

 

[PATRICIAL]

awwwww famouse Caylin is on first position with tons of staring people.... An HT is 1600 tk amazing where she used to have 8000 tk HT .., @Chaturbate dont you see that you harm someone, you harm broadcasters with your stupid algorithm? A LOTS of beggars.....

 

[cbhours]

Seems like they did some more changes or perhaps they are slowly shifting towards a new algorithm like slowly but surely bringing more weight to the new algorithm? I don't know, day by day the list makes a little less sense.

 

[NotYou]

I was online a few hours ago and only had 15 people in my room!! I'm usually sitting between 100 to 200 viewers! What's going on

This is happening with a few other models i know too. They ALWAYS average for 100-200, but now in the past weeks are struggling to get 50. AND on top of that, they were even having difficulty getting coloured names. One model specifically, she always has 100+ in her room and maybe 20 of those are coloured names... for an entire day, she had literally all greys and anonymous, with the occasional colour name coming in. Connection was fine, she was running 720p too. She was doing her usual stuff of tease dancing, with nudity or topless (which ALWAYS usually brings up her count to the 200 mark)... but literally nothing was helping her for the past days or weeks.


This specific model I am talking about, has modeled for about 5yrs and she has been consistent with these figures for the past 2 or 3 that I have known her. So something has definitely changed

 

[dark_mermaid]

I think it's better not to necessarily think that the "viewer" numbers shown on cb or in a room represent human persons watching. If this model's regular users, assuming they are "blue" accounts, don't come to her room, this can have several reasons outside the control of cb. Meaning apparently the users just do not visit the room anymore.

 

[Deleted member 36060]

If any of you want to understand algorithms in relation to streaming/content just a little bit better, give this a watch when you can.
Sort of related. Use your imagination and apply it to what's going on with CB.

 

[eistel]

I feel like I will get a sore throat from how much I have to repeat this but the algorithm changes in April affected different models in different ways. There were 2 major tweaks, initially they tried to deal with the bots which resulted in a very volatile homepage... then they tweaked it to give more weight to certain rooms. I am still figuring out exactly what they tweaked, but I do know they are now giving more weight to tokens earned in the room, so models who used to have a lot of traffic but were poor earners are being dropped in favor of models with a strong game.

hi there, Mila how can I email you? I have just some thoughts about CB and situation over there, and you are the most powerfull cam girl on CB and I just wish to know your opinions about what is going on on site.

 

[NotYou]

Over the past days, I have noticed that the front page (top 5 or 10 rooms) seem more evenly distributed in terms of viewers most times.
I am now often seeing the top 3 with close to 10k each then the next 7 after are all anywhere between 3k - 9k.

They seem much more real and legit basically, with no cheaters etc

 

[forumkeeper]

last days botnet owners adapted their bots for the new system, and the all "top" models who used bots before again on the top spots. bots are still profitable.

i don't spend much time on the site like before, because i moved all my traffic to the other sites...
i just check if something is changes to the right direction. but too much models who use bots are on the top places.

 

[babydollmitsy]

I had a significant viewer decline to the point I'm looking at other sites. I used to have 75-150 viewers and a handful of tippers by the end of my busier shows. Now I struggle to even have 15 viewers, much less tippers. If the algorithm becomes better then I would love to cam on CB more again! It's all so frustrating.

 

[KingMarti]

I had a significant viewer decline to the point I'm looking at other sites. I used to have 75-150 viewers and a handful of tippers by the end of my busier shows. Now I struggle to even have 15 viewers, much less tippers. If the algorithm becomes better then I would love to cam on CB more again! It's all so frustrating.

I'm in the same boat at the minute, but options for sites that accept male models that also offer a payout method I can use without outrageous fees seem few and far between. maybe I just need to change up my show a bit to get more views again but for me it's not just a change in the algorithm that's affecting my earning, it's the massive surge of exhibitionist cams...guy's are stupid, why do something for free if someone will pay you for it

 

[NotYou]

I'm in the same boat at the minute, but options for sites that accept male models that also offer a payout method I can use without outrageous fees seem few and far between. maybe I just need to change up my show a bit to get more views again but for me it's not just a change in the algorithm that's affecting my earning, it's the massive surge of exhibitionist cams...guy's are stupid, why do something for free if someone will pay you for it

Wow, i didn't realise how many pages of them there was!
I changed my account to "female" and went and looked: 10 pages show, if I add "male" to the end of the URL, it's at 9 pages. That's a lot more than I imagined (these are just exhibitionist ones).

I joke a lot about this with one or 2 models, but the reason it seems to be is because the average guy (on these sites at least) seem to ALL think they are Gods Gift to women, so they turn on their cam, and go annoy every woman thinking/expecting them to be all "omg yes, i would LOVE to watch your cam free".
I never realised how vain guys were until I saw these types of sites - or at least them on CB. Doesn't matter either, if they are toned and muscular, young or old... or wtf. I am not shaming etc but my point is that all guys seem to think they are Gods Gift, that's all It's great to be body confident. It's like the whole thing of guys thinking you poor ladies constantly want dick pics.

Anyway rant over haha