is it the models responsibility to earn the tokens? or the cam viewers responsibilty to tip?

[mattbb29]

Is it the models responsibility to earn the tokens? or is it the cam viewers responsibility to tip the model to get the countdown started? I watched a model and a viewer get into an argument about this a couple days ago.

I think both sides had good points. The model said it was her job and wasn't gonna do anything unless she got tokens. Totally correct and I agreed. The viewer said she was being boring and wasnt doing anything that made him want to tip. Again, totally correct and I agreed. I agreed with both of them.

What are everyone's thoughts? I thought she could have stood up, or danced or been topless to get more excitement in her room and (hopefully) therefore more people who wanna tip her. But I also can she how she would be afraid of losing out on potential tokens. Capitalism for you i suppose.

So i ask you....thoughts?

 

[summerale]

It's the models job to entice people to tip.

 

[KandissKiss]

I agree with the poster above. Totally different story if a member is requesting something and not wanting to tip, but I know that's not what you're talking about. Me personally, if my room is getting a little slow and conversations are dying down, I dance, tease, suck a dildo...whatever. We are entertainers. It's our JOB to entertain. Having said that, of course we aren't going to do full on cum shows without making one single token haha. I have SO many things on my profile people can tip for along with small countdowns within a larger one. I want people to feel like they are getting something out of their tip no matter how big or small. So...I see both sides. But models who sit there, not offering teases or incentives or hell, even conversation, and are begging for tokens...I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on that!

 

[mynameisbob84]

I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. It's a cam girl's job to convince people that the entertainment they provide is worth sticking around for and ultimately worth paying for, but it's imperative that members as a collective continue to tip, or else cam girls will have no incentive to broadcast and shall simply stop camming. And then everybody loses.

 

[mattbb29]

I agree with the poster above. Totally different story if a member is requesting something and not wanting to tip, but I know that's not what you're talking about. Me personally, if my room is getting a little slow and conversations are dying down, I dance, tease, suck a dildo...whatever. We are entertainers. It's our JOB to entertain. Having said that, of course we aren't going to do full on cum shows without making one single token haha. I have SO many things on my profile people can tip for along with small countdowns within a larger one. I want people to feel like they are getting something out of their tip no matter how big or small. So...I see both sides. But models who sit there, not offering teases or incentives or hell, even conversation, and are begging for tokens...I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on that!

Seeing you do a "full on cum show" without spending a single token would be awesome haha. I agree with you, little things to tip for on the tip menu/profile are important. Also just being engaging and fun is a way to get us tipping.

 

[KandissKiss]

Seeing you do a "full on cum show" without spending a single token would be awesome haha. I agree with you, little things to tip for on the tip menu/profile are important. Also just being engaging and fun is a way to get us tipping.

Haha at this point, I'd just be happy if people would come in my room and TALK! I don't know what's going on with the site these days. I want to be fun and engaging, but there's no one contributing to that anymore it seems!

 

[mattbb29]

Haha at this point, I'd just be happy if people would come in my room and TALK! I don't know what's going on with the site these days. I want to be fun and engaging, but there's no one contributing to that anymore it seems!

i will totally talk to u!

 

[Vera]

*Gags*

Pretty much every member wants a cumshow for free. You know what? Scratch that. Pretty much every member wants your ATTENTION. If they are respectful, they'll pay. A desire for attention, "getting to know you," etc. doesn't make them quality members. Find your niche. Hone your cam-persona. This job is equal parts hustle and equal parts genuine feeling. New girls, stick with it and you'll find your balance. Or you may discover camming's not for you. Regardless, do your best to sell the product. Log off when you can't make money. Ride the wave when the cash flows and you feel good about what you have to offer. Don't allow yourself to devalue your merchandise. Good customers will understand that this is your job.

 

[Phoenix4987]

Agree with bob, it's somewhere in the middle. I don't necessarily think a model has to be putting on a show to start getting tips. There's topics and menu items for a reason. I think it's kinda stupid to go into somebody's room and argue with them "I didn't tip you because you didn't do x." We'll did you fucking tip her to do x?

Or if a member argues "I gave you x tokens and you didn't show me / do anything" Did you mention it in a tip note? Say hey, this is for you to do x? If not, of course the girl's just going to take the tip and smile and say thank you. Ask (with tips ) and you shall receive.

I don't get it sometimes. It's not a hard concept

 

[Honey_Suckle]

members are not obliged to tip .. it's something a member can choose to do to show their appreciation to the model and so really it's the models responsibility to entertain wether it be teasing or flashing a little here and there

 

[JoleneBrody]

Both! It sounds like neither of the people involved here are right.
When two people who maybe aren't the best matches for cam sites come together in one space, the smallest spark will start a wild fire.

A successful cam room on MFC is a team effort.

 

[cherrybomb1111]

Its a team effort! As cheesy as that sounds... A model needs to entice and tease her viewers to make them want to tip. On the other hand when a model is encouraging tips for long periods of times and people are enjoying the efforts but not showing their appreciation with tips the model will become discouraged.

 

[samijanemfc]

It kind of goes both ways. The crowd in my room usually dictates what I do. I am by no means lazy, and I will dance, work, tease, etc, however I will only do so much for a free show. And if I know that I am giving a free show basically I will usually just stick to chat and getting to know the people with some occasional extras thrown in. This is live porn people...AND its our jobs. That means we get PAID! You pay for a porn magazine...you tip at the strip club...you buy porn movies...you can freaking tip when the girls are working!! Sometimes I can dance a whole shift and not get tipped much, so I use my other stuff to make the ends meet while building the bizness...skype shows...getting to know the people in your room, making regulars...there's many facets to successful camming besides tokens! I appreciate them if they tip or not as long as they hang and talk with me and have a good time. I would like to be tipped, but it isn't required to get my attention as long as you're showing me support in someway!!

 

[fandango]

This is like the old chicken and egg scenario. If a model is just sitting there not talking or moving then she's not very likely to get a lot of tips, but then if the model has already been up and moving around for ages trying to chat and not getting any tips then she is going to stop and the vicious cycle continues.

 

[annamaytiddies]

I definitely agree, it takes two (or a huge group of members) to tango. I remember one night I was being really active and fun on cam for hours, and when the tips/conversations started slowing down, I sat down to rest. Someone who just entered my room told me I was being boring. Like, maybe if you gave me a chance and didn't instantly judge someone on what they're doing that split second, you'll see what you've been missing.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Both have a responsibility. There's a fine line for the models to walk between being enticing enough to get tips rolling in, and showing off too much and giving a free show. Members are expected to realize that, while, yes, there's some teasing going on, if they want to see something more, or want to see something specific, a tip is needed to make it happen. Ideally, both should meet in the middle

But, guys who do this....

The viewer said she was being boring and wasnt doing anything that made him want to tip.

.... Really need to just stop with the nonsense. If you think a model's boring, why are you still sitting around in her room? You wouldn't be, you would have moved on to someone who caught your interest. You're still in a model's room, obviously she has caught your interest. Some say things like this to try to goad the model into showing something for free, but most models are just going to tell them to get lost. Some of them may get off on pissing models off, and will tell a model she's boring to accomplish that end. Either way, it's silly and juvenile.

 

[maria herna]

It’s a difficult question!

Our show is like a job, so I think that customer should be obligate to tip to watch our ass or our body.
It would be like if I went to watch a movie and I would ask to watch for free the most important movie scenes! I pay, then I can watch movie and I hope that it will be a good film.
I think its not really correct ask for some hot actions like dildo, pussy, asshole for free.

First tip, then we can show.
And after tip, the model is obligate to do an hot show!


But.. I think also that our job is to convince our costumer to tip us!
That its why our job is really difficult. We have to find the right balance between show and not show, between not boring show and not too much hot show, so we can tease our customer, and when we get horny.. they tip us ^^

So the best answer is in the “middle” of your question.
kiss

 

[Ambers Troll]

I don't think it is much a matter of responsibility, it is the models' job to get tips. If it takes being responsible for earning them than so be it. Members can afford to delay in ways that models cannot.

It is actually more complex than that, members don't tend to like models who are slaves to any paid request, and will do just enough to earn those tokens and not one thing more. If a member expects more than that, they must meet their favoured model some of the way there.

Personally I think that the OP's model didn't believe he would tip if she did act 1st, which is an entirely different and much more typical thing; 'buyers are liars' syndrome.
Assuming that she believed that he would tip and that she had some idea what the member wanted, I think it would have been silly to not give the member something to tip for then see if they follow her lead.

 

[Gen]

100% the model. Nobody is obliged to pay for the free parts of camming (obviously the caveat being, don't dare ask for, or expect, literally anything if you aren't tipping). It rattles my brain when I see models complain that too many "freeloaders" are liking their pictures on tumblr. I believe in only putting out exactly as much as you're okay with giving away for free. Logging onto MFC, Streamate, etc isn't an agreement or obligation to pay, even if you do it every day forever.

That said, it doesn't mean freeloaders don't annoy the fuck outta me, just that I don't believe anyone's obligated to tip any more than I believe people walking by a busker are obligated to tip. Should you, if you stand and listen for a while? Yeah, but if that really bothers the busker, they should sell tickets to a private show instead.

Again though, all of that is contingent on the members realizing they are free to enjoy whatever the model shares and not an iota more unless they want to contribute. So the dude in her room didn't like what he was seeing and should have left instead of whining/arguing. Of course he wants to see more for nothing, lol. Eventually she will adjust her free chat behaviour or quit if she's unhappy with the money, but I still think it's up to the model to motivate tipping. The word "obligation" is probably what hinged my entire opinion.

 

[dilligaf0]

Agree with bob, it's somewhere in the middle. I don't necessarily think a model has to be putting on a show to start getting tips. There's topics and menu items for a reason. I think it's kinda stupid to go into somebody's room and argue with them "I didn't tip you because you didn't do x." We'll did you fucking tip her to do x?

Or if a member argues "I gave you x tokens and you didn't show me / do anything" Did you mention it in a tip note? Say hey, this is for you to do x? If not, of course the girl's just going to take the tip and smile and say thank you. Ask (with tips ) and you shall receive.

I don't get it sometimes. It's not a hard concept

It depends on the selfishness of the person involved.
To explain my statement, if I go into a room and the model is sitting there in the dark (some rooms have less light than a ghost hunting show ) and doing nothing but stare at her phone, I leave. Models should at least chat with those members that are there. Members should not go into a room demanding attention / actions for free. There's a delicate balance to be achieved.
I've said it before in other threads, you can't just turn on your camera, sit down and make tons of money. It's hard work.
Members, you can't just sit down in front of your computer and expect a total stranger to do their job for free for you, be prepared to pay for the services provided.

 

[Ronda Blum]

It's always been my experience that tips are earned. When I waited on tables I don't recall anyone ever tipping me just to get a menu. Tips were rewards for delivering a good performance... whether you're a waitress. hair stylist, cab driver or camgirl. Do the job first. Prove that your worthy.

 

[AmberCutie]

It's always been my experience that tips are earned. When I waited on tables I don't recall anyone ever tipping me just to get a menu. Tips were rewards for delivering a good performance... whether you're a waitress. hair stylist, cab driver or camgirl. Do the job first. Prove that your worthy.

As much as we like to compare tipping cam girls to tipping other kinds of workers, it's sort of different.

Cam girls do not make an hourly wage, nor do they put on a show hoping to impress enough to make a tip at the end. So I get what you're saying but it isn't so cut and dry as that.

We're discussing token based sites in this thread, and MOST situations are cam girls running a token countdown for a public show of some sort. If all were to take the waitress or cab driver route, no countdown would ever be reached.

I do believe though that cam girls need to entice their viewers to WANT to chip in for the countdown. Which is more than just sitting there looking bored. Chatting, flirting, flashing, dancing or singing to music all the while running the countdown is what people are looking for, at least. If a member is not satisfied with her enticement, he should move on to the next room instead of starting a fight with the model.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Every model knows the type of member who doesn't believe in tipping unless highly motivated....they are a pain to have visit you.
Every member knows models who offer nothing to tip for.... they are boring, difficult to be with, and unreliable.
Either can be convinced to change their ways every now and then, but they are not much fun to be around up until the moment they are.

I almost left the last model I spent on. Upon meeting her she ignored my hello. I had to flash tokens (something I very rarely do) to even get a hello; do all the work to meet her and then to tip for the first move. I actually expected to waste a few tokens as I had been all night, but in the end she turned out to be really good private and I had a great time.
She would have received very little had it not been for the fact she began to pay attention, and took the lead when she saw that I was serious.
No one here will be surprised that she isn't a model that does so well; models who do well are much easier to spend on.

The model experience must be quite similar, members who take way too much effort to please before enjoying themselves? Members who seem so fearful of taking a risk, arrogant about their position, or so uncertain of what they want that they just can't choose?
Models don't have to accept every member who throws themselves at them; they can choose. Be too annoying or high maintenance and they will make the choice to focus on easier members.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

As much as we like to compare tipping cam girls to tipping other kinds of workers, it's sort of different.

Cam girls do not make an hourly wage, nor do they put on a show hoping to impress enough to make a tip at the end. So I get what you're saying but it isn't so cut and dry as that.

We're discussing token based sites in this thread, and MOST situations are cam girls running a token countdown for a public show of some sort. If all were to take the waitress or cab driver route, no countdown would ever be reached.

I agree. Tipping of waitress and cab drivers is much different than camgirls. It is not even that much like tipping dancers at a strip club. I think the best analogy is tipping street musician or performers.
It is completely up to the street performer to put on a good enough show to get me and others to stop and watch. In the same way, it is up to a camgirl to be entertaining enough to keep the viewer from hitting next model.
However, at some the point the burden of tipping shifts from the performer to the watcher. If I listen to a street musician play a song and enjoy it, and at a minimum, I owe him some applause. If I watch him play for 10 minutes I owe him a buck or two. I'm sure it varies by location but seems to me roughly 1/2 the people will do the same, partly due to peer pressure.
So in addition to the obligation of the camgirl and the viewer, I also think it is part of the responsibility is to the camsite. To make it clear that if you watch a model for an extended period of time you should tip her.