I admire you mfc girls!

[AmberCutie]

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I think its very hard to start now on MFC.
MFC in 2009 (its when i joined) and MFC in 2015 are like 2 different websites now.

Ah the good ol days. Before all the public shows, before all the carny games, before all the date raffles, before Twitter, before all the videos for sale. All a model had to do was log on and be entertaining/sexy to be successful, twas a simpler time.

It was a blast. While I have clearly given into the changing-of-the-times (need to to stay afloat now) with the raffles and boards and videos... I do miss how simple the first year or so was when I started in 2009/2010.

I can't imagine how hard it would be to start brand new right now. It's a very different ballgame.

 

[Kickaz]

It may have been easier then but the same competition and influx of members and models has increased the overall earning potential of the site.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Some models get noticed from the start but the key to continuous sucess is dedication.
I'm going to sound blunt and some may not like what I write here but if a model puts in 6 plus hours a day, not taking more than 5 days off a month they will make good money. The definition of good money is different I guess but my first month I started with a camscore of under 1k and still netted $6000. I had a shitty cam at the time, a low camscore, low room numbers but I still put in the hours and I was eager to learn.

Most models work hard one month and then take one month off. Most of the new fans that found you the month that you worked hard will leave and you just destroyed your progress.

You are building a business. The more time (on and off cam) and creativity you bring in your shows the more it will pay off.

You need to be somewhat atractive but that's not the key to sucess. Being approachable, having a positive attitude and putting in long hours to build a community are what will make you more money mfc. It's not always about being the most talented, hottest or doing the most hard core show. It's mostly knowing how to market yourself right, but if you aren't doing it full time you diminish your opportunities to market yourself.

Also when you see a new model that does really well, it's better to think of the situation this way:
"If she did it, I can do it too! The tippers are out there"
Instead of being: "oh, she's nothing special, she just got lucky, bla bla blah"
Attitude is everything!!!!!

Looking at Kickaz's work ethic, 670 camming hours in the last 6 months, and results it is pretty hard to argue with advice she gave. I especially think that setting a daily goal not hourly goals makes a lot of sense. The lack of consistency is pretty much a killer, but I know ACF models understand that at least intellectually.

That said there is a huge element of luck involved in getting a high camscore. High camscore are a tremendous virtuous cycle, not only do they get you more viewers/tippers. But high camscore increase your perceived value and triggers the competitive instinct among men, allowing you to set higher countdown, and even higher prices for things like flashes, or spanks. Charging more money increases your camscore reinforcing, the virtuous cycle. Earning more hour makes models happier, happier models equals more tips, and increasing your willingness to put more hours in. The frustration that models feel "how do increase my camscore, if I cam more some days it gets worse cause my regulars are all broke", is perfectly understandable and it is a classic catch-22. I think what I hear Kickaz saying is work more and take less days off. and stress less about the camscore. Right?

Finally, the attraction to newness is pretty much biologically wired into men. New girl woot I am going to give her my sperm and she is going to have my baby :dance: . It is why male porn stars can have careers that last decades and all but the most talented and lucky female porn stars disappear after a few years. It is pretty much pointless to get excited about the new girls success. New is like having 2 cups size increase, losing 15 lbs, and being 5 years younger. :-D

 

[BarbieLuv]

It may have been easier then but the same competition and influx of members and models has increased the overall earning potential of the site.

The potential earnings are higher, yes; but it's really a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. The average tokens per hour needed to maintain a 1000 camscore have gone up, meaning that girls who are struggling to gain traction have to earn more just to get their foot in the door/not get lost in a sea of models/have their camscore hit rock bottom, while the top 20/100 are making exponentially more than they were 3-4 years ago and you see the same faces there again and again (barring the occasional overnight success, ofc.) You say that working x number of hours will at least guarantee a girl a good paycheck, but that is very much not the case - if a girl stays on that long and doesn't manage to attract enough tippers to magically pull in $6k a month, then her camscore will fall off a cliff. So... essentially, if you're not popular or have that certain 'something' that draws guys into your room in the first place, then you might as well be a canary in a coal mine for all the chance you have for your camscore to see the sun again.

 

[AmberCutie]

Earning more hour makes models happier, happier models equals more tips, and increasing your willingness to put more hours in.

I know this is a really tangential quote to comment on in this thread, but.... so much this. :text-yeahthat:

The more rewarded a girl feels, the more likely she is to want to spend long hours on cam and keep things fun and exciting. It's a lot easier to sit on cam for 8 hours per day if the girl is making $250 each of those hours. Success begets success.

And to the opposite effect of it, earning less than models would like/are used to per hour makes models sad or frustrated, sad or frustrated models may present themselves differently on cam and thus make even less (snowball effect), and end up not wanting to put as many hours in.

It's a struggle once you get on the bad end of that. It takes a very dedicated and strong-willed girl to break out of that snowball rolling down the hill.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

It may have been easier then but the same competition and influx of members and models has increased the overall earning potential of the site.

Yeah but it also requires way more work and time and dedication/sacrifice to be successful these days. Some top models may only be on for an hour or two a day but are working all day on things camming related. The money is better but the workload has increased significantly.

 

[Kickaz]

It may have been easier then but the same competition and influx of members and models has increased the overall earning potential of the site.

The potential earnings are higher, yes; but it's really a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. The average tokens per hour needed to maintain a 1000 camscore have gone up, meaning that girls who are struggling to gain traction have to earn more just to get their foot in the door/not get lost in a sea of models/have their camscore hit rock bottom, while the top 20/100 are making exponentially more than they were 3-4 years ago and you see the same faces there again and again (barring the occasional overnight success, ofc.) You say that working x number of hours will at least guarantee a girl a good paycheck, but that is very much not the case - if a girl stays on that long and doesn't manage to attract enough tippers to magically pull in $6k a month, then her camscore will fall off a cliff. So... essentially, if you're not popular or have that certain 'something' that draws guys into your room in the first place, then you might as well be a canary in a coal mine for all the chance you have for your camscore to see the sun again.

You have to WORK to become popular. Also there's so many women with big camscores that probably earn way less than a model with 1k camscore because they don't log on enough.
I have said this before and will say it again, our bills don't get paid in camscore, they get paid in tokens. Want more money, focus on making more tokens.
Also how many camgirls do you know that pulled in 100-150h a month on cam regularly, stayed upbeat the whole time and interacted with members (not complaining or staring at blank space ignoring their room or didn't scam members) and didn't make any tokens.
The average tokens for a 1000 camscore going up means that the average model IS making more money, also means that members ARE spending MORE money on the site. So it's not only the rich getting richer but the average girls (camscore of 1000) are making more money as well.
I'm not trying to offend anyone here but I also don't like how some ppl think all the top models got there because they got "lucky". Yeah some have more luck than others, but the more you are on the more luckier you get. (That's the point I'm trying to illustrate)
I know a lot of other top models that spent way less on cam but focus a lot on off cam member interaction. To some outsider it may look like she didn't do anything, but she was probably on skyping with her fans or doing other offline work to grow her business.

 

[Kickaz]

It may have been easier then but the same competition and influx of members and models has increased the overall earning potential of the site.

Yeah but it also requires way more work and time and dedication/sacrifice to be successful these days. Some top models may only be on for an hour or two a day but are working all day on things camming related. The money is better but the workload has increased significantly.

I agree!

 

[AmberCutie]

It may have been easier then but the same competition and influx of members and models has increased the overall earning potential of the site.

Yeah but it also requires way more work and time and dedication/sacrifice to be successful these days. Some top models may only be on for an hour or two a day but are working all day on things camming related. The money is better but the workload has increased significantly.

Yeah and that's what I mean about it being fun back then. I could go about my life most of the day and put all my MFC effort into the 5-6 hours I would be on cam that evening. Now there are a lot of off-cam hours that need to be put in in order to just break even with what the income used to be. It has taken some of the "fun" out of it, because more work behind the scenes has to be done. Being ON cam is a lot more fun than all the other stuff.

The earning potential of the whole site may have gone up because of how popular watching/spending on cam girls has become, but for the majority of individuals it's harder to keep your head above the proverbial waters now.

 

[SexySteph]

The average tokens for a 1000 camscore going up means that the average model IS making more money.

Not necessarily. The high end camscores have been greatly increasing while a lot of mid range and low camscore girls have watched their camscores drop and drop. The outlying scores are skewing the average. So while the average earnings is going up statistically it's getting pulled up by the higher earners.

And I can say in all honesty more hours =/= more money. Yeah, if a girl works 100h a month and stays positive she'll make more money than she'd make if she didn't log on at all but if she's not achieving what she needs to maintain a decent camscore, her score will drop which means fewer earnings the future because her exposure is less. It's easy to forget when your CS is 10k+ that doing something damaging to your camscore (logging on and not making enough) will damage future exposure and therefore damage future earnings. When you have a 10k+ CS you can lose 5k+ points before people forget about you. When your CS is 4k and under it takes a lot less to disappear. When your CS is around there it's a tight rope walk, more hours = more exposure but if you don't make tokens it means less exposure in the future, endless cycle.

 

[Kickaz]

@steph: I don't focus on maintaining a "descent camscore" I focus on converting more tipping regulars. I did that even when I had a "low" camscore (under 4000).
I do understand what you are saying though but sometimes the stress to maintain camscore is what's keeping the model away from making more tokens, in turn increasing her score. If they were relaxed and happy they would make more money in my opinion.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

The earning potential of the whole site may have gone up because of how popular watching/spending on cam girls has become, but for the majority of individuals it's harder to keep your head above the proverbial waters now.

The increase in earnings not being in proportion with the huge increase in work seems to bother some. A model could make twice as much now but have to work 4x as hard to make it is another point I was trying(and failing) to make. I don't know tho, I could just be being a hipster thinking everything was better before it got popular.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The average tokens for a 1000 camscore going up means that the average model IS making more money.

Not necessarily. The high end camscores have been greatly increasing while a lot of mid range and low camscore girls have watched their camscores drop and drop. The outlying scores are skewing the average. So while the average earnings is going up statistically it's getting pulled up by the higher earners.

And I can say in all honesty more hours =/= more money. Yeah, if a girl works 100h a month and stays positive she'll make more money than she'd make if she didn't log on at all but if she's not achieving what she needs to maintain a decent camscore, her score will drop which means fewer earnings the future because her exposure is less. It's easy to forget when your CS is 10k+ that doing something damaging to your camscore (logging on and not making enough) will damage future exposure and therefore damage future earnings. When you have a 10k+ CS you can lose 5k+ points before people forget about you. When your CS is 4k and under it takes a lot less to disappear. When your CS is around there it's a tight rope walk, more hours = more exposure but if you don't make tokens it means less exposure in the future, endless cycle.

The median camscore according to mycamgirls.net is 690 (which excludes girls who haven't logged on for 60 days).. That number seems pretty stable,although but the guy who runs mygirl.net would know better. It does seem to me that in general the rich are getting richer on MFC and that more money is going to the top. The top 10 most popular rooms generally have more viewers than all the page 4 girls combined. Statistically income inequality on MFC is far worse than it is in the US as whole, and the US is more unequal than most countries.

But I also see Kickaz point. Last month I was a pretty heavy tipper in one models top 100 push, her camscore increased by almost 500 points despite spending roughly twice as many hours as cam as she normally does. Anecdotally that has generally been my experience models end up with higher camscore at the end of their mega month than at the start. I have no clue if this generally true, but I think it is worth models going back and looking at their megamonths and seeing the impact on putting more hours in. If it is the case that camscore stay stable or go up during megamonths than her advice makes a lot of sense.

 

[AmberCutie]

But I also see Kickaz point. Last month I was a pretty heavy tipper in one models top 100 push, her camscore increased by almost 500 points despite spending roughly twice as many hours as cam as she normally does. Anecdotally that has generally been my experience models end up with higher camscore at the end of their mega month than at the start. I have no clue if this generally true, but I think it is worth models going back and looking at their megamonths and seeing the impact on putting more hours in. If it is the case that camscore stay stable or go up during megamonths than her advice makes a lot of sense.

It makes sense so long as a "megamonth" doesn't completely drain the model's resources and cause her to work inconsistently before and after that month. I re-evaluated my Mega Months from last year and realized the way I was pushing myself and my regulars for those months was causing the other months to be less than average. Finding a happy medium would be ideal. I decided recently I was going to try a different approach to it and am going to put in more hours every few months for a big push, but not as crazy hours/goals as I had before, in order to be more consistent in the other months.

Our incredible Kickaz as well as a big handful of the other top 20'ers have this amazing drive to keep it up every single month. It blows my mind. I only wish I was that full of energy and drive! But as I mentioned before, being able to bring in a high average hourly is a huge inspiration to keep on truckin'. Once you get into that positive roll just gotta keep going with it, I suppose.

 

[SexySteph]

The average tokens for a 1000 camscore going up means that the average model IS making more money.

Not necessarily. The high end camscores have been greatly increasing while a lot of mid range and low camscore girls have watched their camscores drop and drop. The outlying scores are skewing the average. So while the average earnings is going up statistically it's getting pulled up by the higher earners.

And I can say in all honesty more hours =/= more money. Yeah, if a girl works 100h a month and stays positive she'll make more money than she'd make if she didn't log on at all but if she's not achieving what she needs to maintain a decent camscore, her score will drop which means fewer earnings the future because her exposure is less. It's easy to forget when your CS is 10k+ that doing something damaging to your camscore (logging on and not making enough) will damage future exposure and therefore damage future earnings. When you have a 10k+ CS you can lose 5k+ points before people forget about you. When your CS is 4k and under it takes a lot less to disappear. When your CS is around there it's a tight rope walk, more hours = more exposure but if you don't make tokens it means less exposure in the future, endless cycle.

The median camscore according to mycamgirls.net is 690 (which excludes girls who haven't logged on for 60 days).. That number seems pretty stable,although but the guy who runs mygirl.net would know better. It does seem to me that in general the rich are getting richer on MFC and that more money is going to the top. The top 10 most popular rooms generally have more viewers than all the page 4 girls combined. Statistically income inequality on MFC is far worse than it is in the US as whole, and the US is more unequal than most countries.

But I also see Kickaz point. Last month I was a pretty heavy tipper in one models top 100 push, her camscore increased by almost 500 points despite spending roughly twice as many hours as cam as she normally does. Anecdotally that has generally been my experience models end up with higher camscore at the end of their mega month than at the start. I have no clue if this generally true, but I think it is worth models going back and looking at their megamonths and seeing the impact on putting more hours in. If it is the case that camscore stay stable or go up during megamonths than her advice makes a lot of sense.

Megamonths and working more hours are two differrent things. In a mega month, in addition to working harder there's also a great deal more "just because" tips to help a girl reach rank. Those tips may not have happened if it wasn't a "megamonth". In addition to that a lot of members empty their banks in a megamonth and then the following month that girls earnings get cut in half cuz "sorry, I went overboard last month". Megamonths and putting more hours in general aren't the same thing. And unless you have a boatload of regulars with bottomless pockets it's hard to maintain a megamonth feel year round.

 

[Kickaz]

The average tokens for a 1000 camscore going up means that the average model IS making more money.

Not necessarily. The high end camscores have been greatly increasing while a lot of mid range and low camscore girls have watched their camscores drop and drop. The outlying scores are skewing the average. So while the average earnings is going up statistically it's getting pulled up by the higher earners.

And I can say in all honesty more hours =/= more money. Yeah, if a girl works 100h a month and stays positive she'll make more money than she'd make if she didn't log on at all but if she's not achieving what she needs to maintain a decent camscore, her score will drop which means fewer earnings the future because her exposure is less. It's easy to forget when your CS is 10k+ that doing something damaging to your camscore (logging on and not making enough) will damage future exposure and therefore damage future earnings. When you have a 10k+ CS you can lose 5k+ points before people forget about you. When your CS is 4k and under it takes a lot less to disappear. When your CS is around there it's a tight rope walk, more hours = more exposure but if you don't make tokens it means less exposure in the future, endless cycle.

The median camscore according to mycamgirls.net is 690 (which excludes girls who haven't logged on for 60 days).. That number seems pretty stable,although but the guy who runs mygirl.net would know better. It does seem to me that in general the rich are getting richer on MFC and that more money is going to the top. The top 10 most popular rooms generally have more viewers than all the page 4 girls combined. Statistically income inequality on MFC is far worse than it is in the US as whole, and the US is more unequal than most countries.

But I also see Kickaz point. Last month I was a pretty heavy tipper in one models top 100 push, her camscore increased by almost 500 points despite spending roughly twice as many hours as cam as she normally does. Anecdotally that has generally been my experience models end up with higher camscore at the end of their mega month than at the start. I have no clue if this generally true, but I think it is worth models going back and looking at their megamonths and seeing the impact on putting more hours in. If it is the case that camscore stay stable or go up during megamonths than her advice makes a lot of sense.

Megamonths and working more hours are two differrent things. In a mega month, in addition to working harder there's also a great deal more "just because" tips to help a girl reach rank. Those tips may not have happened if it wasn't a "megamonth". In addition to that a lot of members empty their banks in a megamonth and then the following month that girls earnings get cut in half cuz "sorry, I went overboard last month". Megamonths and putting more hours in general aren't the same thing. And unless you have a boatload of regulars with bottomless pockets it's hard to maintain a megamonth feel year round.

Why can't more hours be a mega month? Also most girls that do them gain a lot of new tipping regulars during them. These new tippers will take over and help them the following month. If the model takes a whole month off after a mega month her new fans/even older fans will find someone else to hang out with. Yes mfc is draining when you put that many hours, both mentally and physically. But in my opinion the more consecutive mega months you do (put lots of hours on cam), the easier it should get overtime because by then you have developed a good solid fan base.
The other thing is that mfc is very cyclical and most of the big tippers don't tip big forever or they leave the site. Girls that are continuously on have higher chances of attracting big tippers than girls that take lots of time off. It's not just big tippers so much as having different tippers (big and small) because you don't want to just depend on one guy. You would be screwed if he left.
The other thing is that camming can close a lot of future job doors and despite us making lots of money now, our career is very short term. I don't want to go back into looking for a job when I'm done camming, so every day today matters. A day off to a camgirl is like taking a month off in a regular job in my opinion. What I do today will dictate my future for the next 50 years, so that's enough of a motivation for me to be on cam as much as possible.
Also I never expect my fans to tip me more than they can afford. I want to make people happy not make them go bankrupt. That's not the point of a mega month for me.

 

[Ambers Troll]

What a Kickaz lesson on camming this has been.
Someone should transfer the Kickaz' posts here to 'advice for new models' topic.... has my vote.

Converting tipping regulars, 70% of my daily goal the last hours of camming, bills don't get paid in camscore they get paid in tokens, and a day off to a camgirl is like taking a month off in a regular job

What I do today will dictate my future for the next 50 years, so that's enough of a motivation for me to be on cam as much as possible.

Miss K., even explained what keeps her motivated.
I remember commenting here once on how hard you work off cam once too, was admiring some statistics on you regarding your social networking compared to other models.

I do know models who work hard (many not working so smart, with disadvantages in some way, but who put in their all), who only scrape a living out of camming. Many survive when they should be failing just from having a strong work ethic.
Top models like Kickaz show us what is possible, when a model without disadvantage (some barrier to success) really works hard at it.

 

[RebeccaT]

Unfortunately the majority of members treat camscore like a price list

A sub 1000 cs model has little hope of getting 5k tokens to get naked. She can ask. She will make it but it will take a few days. Members don't stick around for a few days (not even a few hours no matter how entertained they are...work, dinner, other stuff calls) and that CS will fall some more. So, she sets a lower price. The vicious circle again.

I asked a guy who tips 10k models 2000 for a flash but 1K models only 200 for the same flash. "Is she worth less", I asked. "Yes", he replied.

There's a stigma and low value attached to low CS and high value attached to high CS. And a very different type of member in the room. You could indeed wait for a few hours until a good guy finds you but whilst waiting, oh, the cs drops some more!

Thank goodness for sales, Skype and a couple of retainers.

 

[RebeccaT]

Darn! Too late to edit my last post. I want to add, I do love MFC. It's the most social and fun site I use but it can also be the most judgemental and soul destroying. We are a tough lot though!

 

[VeronicaChaos]

^ I agree with that. There is a very discernible difference in the way people treat me now vs. 700 camscore Veronica. And a big difference in the quality of member in my room. This isn't a rule, but a generalization...but my "good" regulars from back then I would consider "bad" regulars now. That's simplistic. What I mean is when your camscore is low you're usually less picky about who's in your room, meaning that big tipper who drives you nuts is more likely to stay. When your camscore is higher it's harder to justify putting up with their bullshit, especially when in all likelihood though he may be a big tipper for a 700 camscore room, in a 4000 camscore room he's hardly what you would consider one, and most likely taking away attention from the whales and potential regulars.

I know this idea offends some, but there are most certainly a type of guy who doesn't have much money and wants a lot of attention/to be known as a bigshot, and they know they're going to be getting it on page 2. They take advantage of the desperation.

It's usually strange when really really old regulars from way back visit me and expect the same treatment. I put up with way more back then.

 

[JickyJuly]

While it may be true that the potential for big money exists on mfc, I don't think it's fair to insinuate that the average girl can make 6k a month if she puts in the hours. The average girl is making less money and getting less traffic than she would if she invested in good equipment and headed to a private based site. MFC is different. It's hard to succeed. Members expect more. It's constant competition. That's all okay. It's a brilliant business model, but it's built to elevate a few girls and let the rest bob or sink.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I just did the math and it would take a 1k camscore model working roughly 100 hours a week to pull 6k a month after taxes. That's two full-time jobs, +. That's not even considering the amount of offline work one would need to do. When you look at offline work, you're looking at three full-time jobs.

One of the great things about camming is when your hourly is low you can make up for it by working more hours, but the average MFC model makes about 15 dollars an hour, meaning that for most people you'd HAVE to work insane hours to make it worth while.

Edit: I think it's great if you were able to do that, but it's just not feasible for 99% of girls. That's why you see so many girls head over to SM.

 

[SexySteph]

I just did the math and it would take a 1k camscore model working roughly 100 hours a week to pull 6k a month after taxes. That's two full-time jobs, +. That's not even considering the amount of offline work one would need to do. When you look at offline work, you're looking at three full-time jobs.

One of the great things about camming is when your hourly is low you can make up for it by working more hours, but the average MFC model makes about 15 dollars an hour, meaning that for most people you'd HAVE to work insane hours to make it worth while.

Edit: I think it's great if you were able to do that, but it's just not feasible for 99% of girls. That's why you see so many girls head over to SM.

No only that but that average could not possibly be maintained. So it'd take even MORE hours.

 

[Kickaz]

Everyone pays different taxes so bringing after tax figures doesn't mean anything.
My hourly rate got higher the more hours I put in. Started at 700 or 800 and went up to 1500 camscore.
Sure some girls do better on streamate than mfc and that's great, but what I'm saying that if I did it it's certainly possible.
Also since we're talking numbers that's a goal of 4000 tokens a day, taking no days off, working full time hours.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I'd like to point out that when I was around 1500 for camscore that I was mainly there (from a 400 cs) because I would work a couple of hours and log off to a different site to bring in more of an audience. If a top earning model pulls a ton of hours she's still likely to lessen her camscore, simply because she didn't make as much per hour as the previous day (since she was working during hours she doesn't normally work). However...if you work 8 hrs a day, or whatever the amount, and ALWAYS work that, eventually you WILL get enough tippers to make it worth it. Problem is most MFC girls panic when they see their cs drop (I'm not judging I did it too). The other problem is it does affect you mentally to the point where you say to yourself, "Well, my day just went to crap", and decide not to cam and possibly eat ice cream instead. I get it I do, but you remember how quickly your cs went down after you started? It's the same thing. I agree it's best to stay at the average, but if it's really going that far down below, and you don't want to wait it out...why not get a backup site to help ride it out? Sorry. I'm not trying to sound mean, but it's the only thing that I can think of that sounds logical. I'd much rather do that then make less money, and feel bad about myself all the time. :/

 

[IndicaDesires]

I just did the math and it would take a 1k camscore model working roughly 100 hours a week to pull 6k a month after taxes. That's two full-time jobs, +. That's not even considering the amount of offline work one would need to do. When you look at offline work, you're looking at three full-time jobs.

One of the great things about camming is when your hourly is low you can make up for it by working more hours, but the average MFC model makes about 15 dollars an hour, meaning that for most people you'd HAVE to work insane hours to make it worth while.

Edit: I think it's great if you were able to do that, but it's just not feasible for 99% of girls. That's why you see so many girls head over to SM.

I was definitely one of those girls. I can't put in the time required to be successful. Not just cramming, but snapchat, contests, coming up with creative ways to entertain the members. It was just way too much for me.

 

[NyxieDay]

^ I agree with that. There is a very discernible difference in the way people treat me now vs. 700 camscore Veronica. And a big difference in the quality of member in my room. This isn't a rule, but a generalization...but my "good" regulars from back then I would consider "bad" regulars now. That's simplistic. What I mean is when your camscore is low you're usually less picky about who's in your room, meaning that big tipper who drives you nuts is more likely to stay. When your camscore is higher it's harder to justify putting up with their bullshit, especially when in all likelihood though he may be a big tipper for a 700 camscore room, in a 4000 camscore room he's hardly what you would consider one, and most likely taking away attention from the whales and potential regulars.

I know this idea offends some, but there are most certainly a type of guy who doesn't have much money and wants a lot of attention/to be known as a bigshot, and they know they're going to be getting it on page 2. They take advantage of the desperation.

It's usually strange when really really old regulars from way back visit me and expect the same treatment. I put up with way more back then.

In your (and the rest of y'alls) opinion, do you feel it is better for a low-camscore model to have their score visible or not? Also, just on the mini-pop up profile, or full profile as well?

For my particular situation, I'm just below 400 right now. I'm relatively unbothered by this, as I expect things to improve over time. I also use prices and offers that I am personally comfortable with, that are largely independent of my camscore per se (for example, I may offer more things or non-drastically adjust prices when my score goes up, but that has more to do with what I can afford and feel comfortable with, and not my score).

Being that I show up further down the list anyway, does it make a difference if my score is invisible? Perhaps if I'm running a special "Save My Camscore Cumshow Challenge", having the score be visible will inspire helpful-minded tippers, so they can see the progress?

Dunno. I insist that I be treated in ways I feel comfortable with in any case, I just didn't want a low visible score to be a needless turn-off.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Some models get noticed from the start but the key to continuous sucess is dedication.
I'm going to sound blunt and some may not like what I write here but if a model puts in 6 plus hours a day, not taking more than 5 days off a month they will make good money. The definition of good money is different I guess but my first month I started with a camscore of under 1k and still netted $6000. I had a shitty cam at the time, a low camscore, low room numbers but I still put in the hours and I was eager to learn.

Most models work hard one month and then take one month off. Most of the new fans that found you the month that you worked hard will leave and you just destroyed your progress.

You are building a business. The more time (on and off cam) and creativity you bring in your shows the more it will pay off.

You need to be somewhat atractive but that's not the key to sucess. Being approachable, having a positive attitude and putting in long hours to build a community are what will make you more money mfc. It's not always about being the most talented, hottest or doing the most hard core show. It's mostly knowing how to market yourself right, but if you aren't doing it full time you diminish your opportunities to market yourself.

Also when you see a new model that does really well, it's better to think of the situation this way:
"If she did it, I can do it too! The tippers are out there"
Instead of being: "oh, she's nothing special, she just got lucky, bla bla blah"
Attitude is everything!!!!!

I totally agree with this. In MFC land whether or not I did well from the start is probably relative to who you ask. I started on August 5th and for August I finished right above 250. That was taking Friday - Monday morning off...and working 4-5 hours the other nights. My cam score was around 4500. September is not a great month for me...so I took probably 10 days off. Finished in the 400 ' s. October and November I was consistent and taking only Saturday and Sunday off. I finished at 251. In December I decided to try to cam every day...but I had family come for Christmas...still finished at 166. January I worked every day but 1....I finally finished at 95!!

I worked my ass off though. I have never been so sore and exhausted. My cam score was around 5500 most of the month...looking around the ranks most girls had much higher cam scores...so yeah...I have to work a lot more hours to make the same amount...but that's okay! I am new...I realize I have to build a fan base...is it hard when I look around and see people getting huge tips? Sure. Does it make me feel rejected and not liked at times? Yep. Have I gotten off cam and cried? Absolutely. But I am working on not comparing myself to others....and no just being happy for the amazing group of guys I have

I really want to just have a couple days to myself but there is some stress and worry about your regulars finding someone new.

But I can't complain. I am doing something I love...and hanging out with awesome people. I hope I can keep improving and doing great here!!

 

[SexySteph]

^ I agree with that. There is a very discernible difference in the way people treat me now vs. 700 camscore Veronica. And a big difference in the quality of member in my room. This isn't a rule, but a generalization...but my "good" regulars from back then I would consider "bad" regulars now. That's simplistic. What I mean is when your camscore is low you're usually less picky about who's in your room, meaning that big tipper who drives you nuts is more likely to stay. When your camscore is higher it's harder to justify putting up with their bullshit, especially when in all likelihood though he may be a big tipper for a 700 camscore room, in a 4000 camscore room he's hardly what you would consider one, and most likely taking away attention from the whales and potential regulars.

I know this idea offends some, but there are most certainly a type of guy who doesn't have much money and wants a lot of attention/to be known as a bigshot, and they know they're going to be getting it on page 2. They take advantage of the desperation.

It's usually strange when really really old regulars from way back visit me and expect the same treatment. I put up with way more back then.

In your (and the rest of y'alls) opinion, do you feel it is better for a low-camscore model to have their score visible or not? Also, just on the mini-pop up profile, or full profile as well?

It's useless to hide it unless you're hiding it from yourself. All members can tell the range of your camscore when they see you on the homepage.

Some models get noticed from the start but the key to continuous sucess is dedication.
I'm going to sound blunt and some may not like what I write here but if a model puts in 6 plus hours a day, not taking more than 5 days off a month they will make good money. The definition of good money is different I guess but my first month I started with a camscore of under 1k and still netted $6000. I had a shitty cam at the time, a low camscore, low room numbers but I still put in the hours and I was eager to learn.

Most models work hard one month and then take one month off. Most of the new fans that found you the month that you worked hard will leave and you just destroyed your progress.

You are building a business. The more time (on and off cam) and creativity you bring in your shows the more it will pay off.

You need to be somewhat atractive but that's not the key to sucess. Being approachable, having a positive attitude and putting in long hours to build a community are what will make you more money mfc. It's not always about being the most talented, hottest or doing the most hard core show. It's mostly knowing how to market yourself right, but if you aren't doing it full time you diminish your opportunities to market yourself.

Also when you see a new model that does really well, it's better to think of the situation this way:
"If she did it, I can do it too! The tippers are out there"
Instead of being: "oh, she's nothing special, she just got lucky, bla bla blah"
Attitude is everything!!!!!

I totally agree with this. In MFC land whether or not I did well from the start is probably relative to who you ask. I started on August 5th and for August I finished right above 250. That was taking Friday - Monday morning off...and working 4-5 hours the other nights. My cam score was around 4500. September is not a great month for me...so I took probably 10 days off. Finished in the 400 ' s. October and November I was consistent and taking only Saturday and Sunday off. I finished at 251. In December I decided to try to cam every day...but I had family come for Christmas...still finished at 166. January I worked every day but 1....I finally finished at 95!!

I worked my ass off though. I have never been so sore and exhausted. My cam score was around 5500 most of the month...looking around the ranks most girls had much higher cam scores...so yeah...I have to work a lot more hours to make the same amount...but that's okay! I am new...I realize I have to build a fan base...is it hard when I look around and see people getting huge tips? Sure. Does it make me feel rejected and not liked at times? Yep. Have I gotten off cam and cried? Absolutely. But I am working on not comparing myself to others....and no just being happy for the amazing group of guys I have

I really want to just have a couple days to myself but there is some stress and worry about your regulars finding someone new.

But I can't complain. I am doing something I love...and hanging out with awesome people. I hope I can keep improving and doing great here!!

I'm really curious if any girls that didn't do tons of hours from day 1 and instead kicked it into high gear AFTER losing the model tag have had similar experiences. Cuz it really seems like doing tons of hours might help you move up really fast as a new girl because that tag gets you attention but idk if it's as effective when a girl doesn't have any other extra exposure boost.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

^ I agree with that. There is a very discernible difference in the way people treat me now vs. 700 camscore Veronica. And a big difference in the quality of member in my room. This isn't a rule, but a generalization...but my "good" regulars from back then I would consider "bad" regulars now. That's simplistic. What I mean is when your camscore is low you're usually less picky about who's in your room, meaning that big tipper who drives you nuts is more likely to stay. When your camscore is higher it's harder to justify putting up with their bullshit, especially when in all likelihood though he may be a big tipper for a 700 camscore room, in a 4000 camscore room he's hardly what you would consider one, and most likely taking away attention from the whales and potential regulars.

I know this idea offends some, but there are most certainly a type of guy who doesn't have much money and wants a lot of attention/to be known as a bigshot, and they know they're going to be getting it on page 2. They take advantage of the desperation.

It's usually strange when really really old regulars from way back visit me and expect the same treatment. I put up with way more back then.

In your (and the rest of y'alls) opinion, do you feel it is better for a low-camscore model to have their score visible or not? Also, just on the mini-pop up profile, or full profile as well?

It's useless to hide it unless you're hiding it from yourself. All members can tell the range of your camscore when they see you on the homepage.

Some models get noticed from the start but the key to continuous sucess is dedication.
I'm going to sound blunt and some may not like what I write here but if a model puts in 6 plus hours a day, not taking more than 5 days off a month they will make good money. The definition of good money is different I guess but my first month I started with a camscore of under 1k and still netted $6000. I had a shitty cam at the time, a low camscore, low room numbers but I still put in the hours and I was eager to learn.

Most models work hard one month and then take one month off. Most of the new fans that found you the month that you worked hard will leave and you just destroyed your progress.

You are building a business. The more time (on and off cam) and creativity you bring in your shows the more it will pay off.

You need to be somewhat atractive but that's not the key to sucess. Being approachable, having a positive attitude and putting in long hours to build a community are what will make you more money mfc. It's not always about being the most talented, hottest or doing the most hard core show. It's mostly knowing how to market yourself right, but if you aren't doing it full time you diminish your opportunities to market yourself.

Also when you see a new model that does really well, it's better to think of the situation this way:
"If she did it, I can do it too! The tippers are out there"
Instead of being: "oh, she's nothing special, she just got lucky, bla bla blah"
Attitude is everything!!!!!

I totally agree with this. In MFC land whether or not I did well from the start is probably relative to who you ask. I started on August 5th and for August I finished right above 250. That was taking Friday - Monday morning off...and working 4-5 hours the other nights. My cam score was around 4500. September is not a great month for me...so I took probably 10 days off. Finished in the 400 ' s. October and November I was consistent and taking only Saturday and Sunday off. I finished at 251. In December I decided to try to cam every day...but I had family come for Christmas...still finished at 166. January I worked every day but 1....I finally finished at 95!!

I worked my ass off though. I have never been so sore and exhausted. My cam score was around 5500 most of the month...looking around the ranks most girls had much higher cam scores...so yeah...I have to work a lot more hours to make the same amount...but that's okay! I am new...I realize I have to build a fan base...is it hard when I look around and see people getting huge tips? Sure. Does it make me feel rejected and not liked at times? Yep. Have I gotten off cam and cried? Absolutely. But I am working on not comparing myself to others....and no just being happy for the amazing group of guys I have

I really want to just have a couple days to myself but there is some stress and worry about your regulars finding someone new.

But I can't complain. I am doing something I love...and hanging out with awesome people. I hope I can keep improving and doing great here!!

I'm really curious if any girls that didn't do tons of hours from day 1 and instead kicked it into high gear AFTER losing the model tag have had similar experiences. Cuz it really seems like doing tons of hours might help you move up really fast as a new girl because that tag gets you attention but idk if it's as effective when a girl doesn't have any other extra exposure boost.

I'm not sure how long it lasts....someone said 7 days? Well my breakdown is as follows.
Day 1-5266
Day 2-3539
Day 3 - Didn't work.
Day 4- 14149
Day 5- 6210
Day 6- Didn't work.
Day 7- Didn't work.

I will say that more than half of those tokens were privates and groups. I didn't have any videos, snaps or games. I charged 199 for friend add/PM (which I don't charge for now...I just give to awesome people who don't always tip...but always engage and chat. I also charged for flashes and to watch cams.

I just looked at my cam score it's at 5800. So working more hours definitely improves earnings. The more time I am online the bigger the chance of someone seeing me.

My lowest earning month I worked 64 hours. My highest earning month 100. My earnings were MORE than double. So it's further proof that the more you work the more your hourly pay goes up.
In fact I made 2 1/2 times the money....and didn't even have to double my hours.