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You are thinkjng.like an idiot. If they are lying about the total ,who's doing the lying and why? The Germans or the Jews ?
It means the Holocaust didn't actually go down as every history book told you.
I'm not remotely saying anything about Hitler or people dying is good. I'm not lessening any tragedy.
I'm questioning the ultimate purpose and reality of all these factors.

Source?
 
I find it laughable to deny the Holocaust. There is just no way.

I have run across a few IRL white-supremacist/neo-nazis over the years, and I have noticed two story lines; 1. "The Holocaust never happened, it is all lies!", and 2. "HITLER WAS A GOD! HE HAD THE RIGHT IDEA! ROUND UP THE N*GGERS AND JEWS!"

I am not suggesting @Cal_blue is a white-nationalist-neo-nazi-whatever-you-want-to-call-him. He strikes me more as someone who perhaps smokes too much meth while reading various conspiracy sites.

What bothers me is not that he is questioning the Holocaust; the Holocaust happened. What bothers me is that he is discrediting the idea of Holocaust Propaganda with his stupidity. And he even managed to cause me to question the very existence of human intelligence along the way, which is why I had to ignore his stupid ass.



Does anyone deny that Holocaust Propaganda is real?
 
You can't kill 6 million in 4 years with the amount of camps and ovens they had, no matter how hard you try to crunch the number.
That aside...America, England and France were allies with Russia. They had to cover up what Russia did to keep people focused on hating Germany.
How could this be? Oh how could you not know? You are half way across the world and believe what your trusted govt tells you.its pretty simple.
Propaganda and revisionist history are how the world is run.

I don't claim to know more than you or anyone. I just give a different viewpoint and people choose to put emotion to it and pick sides.
I could be wrong about anything and everything.im not obligated to not be able to change my mind..but apparently not thinking like everyone else is taboo and confusing to a majority.
Interesting ,coming from a site that promotes freedom of expression ,doing something others frown upon.

Source?
 
I find it laughable to deny the Holocaust. There is just no way.

I have run across a few IRL white-supremacist/neo-nazis over the years, and I have noticed two story lines; 1. "The Holocaust never happened, it is all lies!", and 2. "HITLER WAS A GOD! HE HAD THE RIGHT IDEA! ROUND UP THE N*GGERS AND JEWS!"

I am not suggesting @Cal_blue is a white-nationalist-neo-nazi-whatever-you-want-to-call-him. He strikes me more as someone who perhaps smokes too much meth while reading various conspiracy sites.

What bothers me is not that he is questioning the Holocaust; the Holocaust happened. What bothers me is that he is discrediting the idea of Holocaust Propaganda with his stupidity. And he even managed to cause me to question the very existence of human intelligence along the way, which is why I had to ignore his stupid ass.



Does anyone deny that Holocaust Propaganda is real?

More pointless rhetoric of insults and no proof what you think you believe is true. Of course I'm not some pro nazi/white idiot .they hate all Jews and blacks. A majority of friends and workmates are Jewish and black.
That has nothing to with what I talk about.
It's ridiculous that people think it's some kind of evil to look at both sides. There's 4 or 5 sides if you actually did any real research.
You keep insulting me when I haven't insulted you just because you've never heard a multidimensional viewpoint.
Here's a clue to start thinking about.
Zionist Jews are different from the regular Jewish neighbor you've known in your life. There's a reason the star of David looks like a hexagram and the American star looks like a pentegram.
The internet is right in front of you.Actually start using it.
What are you afraid of? Why do you just start insulting people for having different views? It's because you've been conditioned to by the people who don't want you to know what is really going on.
 
Again, all you are doing is quoting main stream media and propaganda with no evidence or fact that what you believe is true. 70 million people may have died in world War 2 but that doesn't in any way prove 6 million jews died in the camps wich was their claim. How many that died in the battle fields is irrelevant and still an exaggerated number.
This isn't about anything but the lies of the numbers in the camps.
Good luck trying to assume every ss soldier killed one jew apiece let alone anyone else.
You went somewhere after the fact and believed how it was described to you through someone else or some other material. Sorry,that doesn't prove it real or true.
It still pales in comparison to Russia which no one seems to know about.
See that? You are given a situation where you aren't told anything and another where you are told misleading,fake, numbers you can't prove. ..and your mind just creates the story and bias for it .which causes you to emotionally attack someone else for questioning it.


Source?
 

My source is 100s of independent researchers and my own common sense and critical thought.
You need a source to realize there are no dug up,mass Graves of these countless Jewish holocaust victims?

If you try to kill and dispose of 1 million people in 6 years in these camps. You would have to do it 456 times a day.
That's just one million and a generous 6 years. That's impossible.
You need a source to visually see a star of David looks like a hexagram?
The art of thinking for yourself and critical thought is obviously dying.
 
It's all out there man, you just gotta look for it!!!!!

Listen to yourself, your cyclical arguments with no sourcing or evidence are ridiculous. You keep screaming we need to prove something. We mostly subscribe to the generally accepted theory, the burden of proof seems to be on you, but you won't do anything but allude to flimsy conspiracy bullshit. Source any of your shit.
 
Fuck it, I'm putting you on ignore. We doubt both your common sense and your critical thought.
 
My source is 100s of independent researchers and my own common sense and critical thought.
You need a source to realize there are no dug up,mass Graves of these countless Jewish holocaust victims?

If you try to kill and dispose of 1 million people in 6 years in these camps. You would have to do it 456 times a day.
That's just one million and a generous 6 years. That's impossible.
You need a source to visually see a star of David looks like a hexagram?
The art of thinking for yourself and critical thought is obviously dying.

Source?
 
It's all out there man, you just gotta look for it!!!!!

Listen to yourself, your cyclical arguments with no sourcing or evidence are ridiculous. You keep screaming we need to prove something. We mostly subscribe to the generally accepted theory, the burden of proof seems to be on you, but you won't do anything but allude to flimsy conspiracy bullshit. Source any of your shit.

you don't have the balls to look up the truth.you need people to tell you everything and you believe the first one who does and repeats it to you countless times.
Unless the source is major media you won't believe it any way.
And you can't confront the math of the amount of bodies I just gave you. I haven't been circular. I have given a distinct example that there are no mass Graves and the are no abilities to kill that many in a confined area. Until you can confront such basic insight, how do expect to understand reality?
And you need to actually look up the word conspiracy because you don't even actually know what it means.
You ignored what I told you what the word government means in Latin.
Because you need to believe a lie for fear of going nuts or becoming very sad.
 
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My source is 100s of independent researchers and my own common sense and critical thought.
You need a source to realize there are no dug up,mass Graves of these countless Jewish holocaust victims?

If you try to kill and dispose of 1 million people in 6 years in these camps. You would have to do it 456 times a day.
That's just one million and a generous 6 years. That's impossible.
You need a source to visually see a star of David looks like a hexagram?
The art of thinking for yourself and critical thought is obviously dying.

Are you so ignorant that you don't know that death camps had crematoriums or do you think we are so stupid we didn't know? You don't need mass graves when you turn bodies in a small pile of ashes.

You realize that they have in fact, uncovered, scores of mass graves for those were shot, yes including the folks the Soviets killed also.


Have you ever been to a camp? Talked to GI who was there?
I've seen the ovens with my very own eyes, you don't need ovens that size or so hot to make bread. I've talked to GI who were there and seen scores of interviews of GI who liberated the camps. Your proof is your own common sense, which is obviously extremely lacking.

If you try to kill and dispose of 1 million people in 6 years in these camps. You would have to do it 456 times a day.
That's just one million and a generous 6 years. That's impossible.

I've been reading stuff on internet message boards for 36 years and this absolutely in the top 10 dumbest things I've ever read. Seriously, use your brain.

Have you ever seen an Olympic size pool? A couple of backhoe and crew can dig that hole in a week. Do you know many people's ashes you can be bury in one Olympic size pool?. Hint it is a lot.

In the next 6 years, America will bury and burn or another wise dispose of more than 16 million corpses. Why in the hell would it be impossible for Nazi Germany to get rid of 6 million in the same length of time?.
There are only 60,000 funeral workers in the US, who spend most of their time, selling the grieving families more expensive casket. The Nazi had a huge pool of slave labor.

Killing the Jews wasn't the problem finding them and rounding them up was the real problem. Thank God the Nazi weren't always successful because my life would immeasurably poorer in every way if Andy Grove had been caught by the Nazi. Thanks to him you can afford computers which allow you spout off bullshit.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
The Nazi euthanasia program...a hoax?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irmfried_Eberl
Psychiatrist and medical director who was involved with T4 euthanasia program, first commandant at Treblinka...coincidence or just more hoaxery?
Was he there to oversee a giant potato growing operation?

There was propaganda on all sides to be sure. Nazi propaganda, Soviet propaganda, American propaganda. But @Cal_blue claiming "there were no death camps" is not an answer to propaganda; it is just more of it.

But if the consensus is that he's making the place stink worse than it should (which, it appears from a quick glance, is likely) I'll look into it. Let me know.
Honestly, I am ashamed to even say this considering how much I enjoy a good ruckus, but an unbearable stench is all he seems to be bringing.
 
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I really haven't paid all that much attention to his shit posts because I don't participate in these sorts of threads. But if the consensus is that he's making the place stink worse than it should (which, it appears from a quick glance, is likely) I'll look into it. Let me know.

Either he's as wackadoodle as a person can be, or he's a troll. My money's on troll, especially since he's keeping the really outrageous statements contained to threads that are already controversial and easy to derail. That stands as evidence (for me at least) that he's here to entertain himself with folks willing to take the bait. I think most folks who aren't finding similar entertainment in responding to him have already ignored him.
 
How about the mass murderer Che Guevara?

Sometimes I see posters of him on camgirls' walls or on the t-shirts they're wearing and it makes me cringe.

What is taught in schools is not always correct, unfortunately.
 
Never heard a word about Che in school.

Didn't go to college though.
 
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Never heard a word about Che in school.

Didn't go to college though.

Stalin was taught in what year of your schooling?

Ernesto "Che" Guevara was second-in-command, chief executioner, and KGB liaison for a regime that jailed and tortured more political prisoners as a percentage of population than Stalin's and executed more people (out of a population of 6.4 million) in its first three years in power than Hitler's executed (out of a population of 70 million) in its first six.
 
Stalin was taught in what year of your schooling?

Ernesto "Che" Guevara was second-in-command, chief executioner, and KGB liaison for a regime that jailed and tortured more political prisoners as a percentage of population than Stalin's and executed more people (out of a population of 6.4 million) in its first three years in power than Hitler's executed (out of a population of 70 million) in its first six.
I know who they are now. Talking about school.

Stalin heard very little about, but a LOT about from the religious element of my upbringing. He never got as much personal credit as Hitler, they more attributed it to communism/atheism.
 
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Sometimes I see posters of him on camgirls' walls or on the t-shirts they're wearing and it makes me cringe.
You ever see a camgirl eat a banana? I seen a lot of those studio girls got that banana routine down pat.

How bad do you cringe when you see a banana?
 
Either he's as wackadoodle as a person can be, or he's a troll. My money's on troll, especially since he's keeping the really outrageous statements contained to threads that are already controversial and easy to derail. That stands as evidence (for me at least) that he's here to entertain himself with folks willing to take the bait. I think most folks who aren't finding similar entertainment in responding to him have already ignored him.


I have said nothing wrong nor personally attacked anyone. I have simply brought up an intellectually challenging angle you dont know how to deal with.
you are reacting the same way you accuse religious people of reacting when they get mad at people for questioning their faith with no real understanding of their own religion.

wheres the trolling part? this topic is about history/war/death and I i'm talking about history/war/death.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
The Nazi euthanasia program...a hoax?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irmfried_Eberl
Psychiatrist and medical director who was involved with T4 euthanasia program, first commandant at Treblinka...coincidence or just more hoaxery?
Was he there to oversee a giant potato growing operation?

There was propaganda on all sides to be sure. Nazi propaganda, Soviet propaganda, American propaganda. But @Cal_blue claiming "there were no death camps" is not an answer to propaganda; it is just more of it.



Honestly, I am ashamed to even say this considering how much I enjoy a good ruckus, but an unbearable stench is all he seems to be bringing.

find me actual first hand evidence other then trusting in words by sources you cant prove are telling the truth.
I didnt say no one died in these camps but there is no actual evidence such as mass graves etc.
 
Dude why don't you try Google Nazi Holocaust mass graves. You'll find score of articles documenting mass grave though out eastern Europe and Russia.
The 60 Minutes piece had relatively recently discovered video of the Nazi shooting Jews in graves.
 
I sometimes read ACF on a mobile device I don't log in on. So this moronic thread trasher @Cal_blue pops up in all his inane glory... :finger:

Now all this stormfront garbage I got to read at Waffle House has me wondering if the cook was a Jew, and he burnt my hashbrowns on purpose.

find me actual first hand evidence other then trusting in words by sources you cant prove are telling the truth.
I didnt say no one died in these camps but there is no actual evidence such as mass graves etc.
You said "there were no death camps". There were death camps. Go back to the youtube comments where you belong.

I have simply brought up an intellectually challenging angle you dont know how to deal with.
wheres the trolling part? this topic is about history/war/death and I i'm talking about history/war/death.
Bullshit.
You are bringing the same "intellectually challenging" angle I was hearing 20+ years ago from KKK members who called me a traitor to my race, only your lazy butt can do it from home courtesy of youtube links.

Oh lookie! You dumbfucked your way right into the "Veritas Vincit Omnia" channel, and now you are here to drop some truth! My goodness, the scales have fallen from my eyes!
https://www.youtube.com/user/VeritasVincitOmniaaa/videos
Whole different worldview! And if I reject it, why I must be blinded, a slave to mainstream media, lacking in critical thought, incapable of an intellectual approach!

The video you posted... "David Cole - Interviews Dr Franciszek Piper".
Does this count as a rebuttal? http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
Dear Sirs,

In connection with an advertisement of David Cole (An open
letter to the daily Texan, February 19, 1993) in which he offers
the videotape named "David Cole - Interviews Dr Franciszek
Piper" I would like to inform your readers:

1. the sham interview with me there is the Neonazi
style monologue of young man who never seriously approached the great
tragedy of humanity named Auschwitz and Holocaust. In his
ingenuousness he decided to halt the part of the murderers
instead of their innocent victims - different every
honest man does. My answers on a few questions of Cole ( who
deceitfully introduced himself as a man who wanted to convince his
acquaintances in America that Auschwitz was really a place of
genocide) constitute a small proportion of this video tape.

2. In his advertisement he introduces me as a "Head of
Auschwitz Archives at the Auschwitz State Museum". This is
untruth. I am not and I have been neither a head of Auschwitz Archives
nor a director of Auschwitz Musum, as Cole maintains in
other propaganda leaflets. The purpose of such manipulation
with of facts is clear - to attract potential purchasers of his
"Interview" video tape.

3. Cole maintains that I first time admitted the allegedly
unknown fact the Nazis adapted the crematorium in question in
which the gas chamber were located for air-raid shelter, the fact
allegedly unknown even for Museum guides. It is un truth. See
enclosed copies of pages from the books which constitute the
fundamental reading for Auschwitz guides. In book by T-an Sehn
"Concentrat Camp Ogwiqcim-Brzezinka (Auschwitz-Birkenau)Warsaw 1957,
You may read on the page 152-"In May 1944 the old Crematorium
I in the base camp was adapted for use as an air raid shelter

The Fact is also confirmed in the book by Jean Claude Pressac
"Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers,
published by The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York 1989 (515
Madison Avenue). On the page 157 you may read: "With part of the
building converted to an air raid shelter, this is the state in which
the SS abandoned Krematorium I in January 1945" Repeating what
Pressac had written I told what was the nature of the
adaptation works carried out by the Nazis and what one had to do to
remove those changes in order to regain the previous appearance.
They are all "Pipers revelations. In spite of the fact that
such secondary restoration works had to be done there is an
undisputable reality that the gas chamber in question is housed in the same
building which has been existed from prewar times till now.

4. The fact that the Nazi murderers used gas chambers (in
Birkenau you can see the ruins of the other 5 gas chambers) for
mass annihilation of innocent men, women and children, mostly
Jews, has been proved by thousands of memoires and depositions of
eyewitnesses as well as by German official documents and plans.
It is obvious fact for everybody who wants to approach the
problem, to contact still living witnesses and to study historical
sources.


5. I have devoted 28 years of my life to save the memory of
the counless victims of the Nazi barbarity to warn people against
indifference to all forms of racial, religious and national
based hatered, which leads to injustice, suffering and killing
of innocent people. Because of it I take the fact my name is
used for disseminating such kind of lies and hiding of the obvious
truth as a lack of honesty and dignity.

yours,sincerely


DrFranciszek Piper
Just more Jewish lies?

@Cal_blue, you said "there were no death camps"
Is this correct?

You a "racial realist" baby? :hilarious:
Don't be shy girl. Put that shit up proud.
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People did die due to overwork or disease or age or what ever but there were no death camps.
You are off ignore. Troll me for the Führer.
 
find me actual first hand evidence other then trusting in words by sources you cant prove are telling the truth.
I didnt say no one died in these camps but there is no actual evidence such as mass graves etc.
Wait a minute...aren't you the same one posting garbage youtube links? Any questioning of those indicates a lack of critical thought.
But now you are demanding I give you "actual first hand evidence"?
I am not here to convince you of anything, or pull your intellectually crippled butt out of the ideological gutter you have fallen into.

You ought to stop. This sort of double standard is liable to give racism a bad name...

 
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