Creepy and Annoying "Invisible" Users Camping in Rooms

[My_Opinion]

Creepy and Annoying "Invisible" Users Camping in Rooms

Please, make it possible to ban these people from the room, without knowing who they are is fine, some of these weirdos abuse it, hard, this is like 2020, again, when yall didn't let us ban people, lets us control our rooms

Also, just realized "Charlie" and "Chloe" , are gone, what gives?

@Stella_SC

 

[Hiunds]

The issue still remains though that the model is not being compensated for those 15 seconds. If you look at your token history after a pvt you will see that you are billed by the second, which means the model is shorted 15 billing cycles. It might not be much, it might be a lot depending on the spy price but it's the same either way, the site is giving access to content that should be income generating for the model.

by only needing 1 minutes worth of tokens on the account to get the 15 second spy that means if someone had tokens for 1 minute the site is giving an additional 25% for free.

It’s a little more straightforward than that. Once you hit 16 seconds you pay the the full first minute rate for spying. I’ve seen those rates as low as 4 tokens and as high as 200 (though there may well be higher rates). So the uncompensated amount is literally that spy rate for each user that does it (which is obviously where the bigger dollars come, more so than when one user does it)

I understand the issue for performers and if SC wanted to eliminate the preview period for that reason, I would understand it. But it would IMO significantly decrease spying instances from tipping customers in addition to abusers. As NotYou said, there is not a small instance of privates where there is no private at all going on, that mode is being activated to take a break. As a user, I shouldn’t have to pay for that either (different story if I spy and don’t like the content I see, that is the “cost of doing business”).

Maybe that issue for users could be minimized if the SC break rules were made a little more liberal/realistic. I think a number of models use private mode for breaks because if they just walk away from the camera for more than 2 minutes they are breaking TOS

 

[KingMarti]

that mode is being activated to take a break. As a user, I shouldn’t have to pay for that either

TBH that shouldnt be happening at all and it's only happening because of stripchats 2 minute off cam policy. One bad policy isnt a good reason to make further bad policies to address issues created by the first bad policy imo.

If they fixed that policy then you would be getting what you pay for 100% of the time when spying on a pvt show, which is to spy on the pvt show that is currently happening. No one forces you to stay if it's not your kind of show, and you can dip out and only have paid a few seconds worth. But I do agree that a model using pvt to go on break isnt something that should be paid for...this is why I was arguing the point of not having a break button or allowing a brb button is an issue, forcing someone to either take no breaks or kill the room they have spent hours working hard to get is what causes this issue.

 

[Hiunds]

TBH that shouldnt be happening at all and it's only happening because of stripchats 2 minute off cam policy. One bad policy isnt a good reason to make further bad policies to address issues created by the first bad policy imo.

If they fixed that policy then you would be getting what you pay for 100% of the time when spying on a pvt show, which is to spy on the pvt show that is currently happening. No one forces you to stay if it's not your kind of show, and you can dip out and only have paid a few seconds worth. But I do agree that a model using pvt to go on break isnt something that should be paid for...this is why I was arguing the point of not having a break button or allowing a brb button is an issue, forcing someone to either take no breaks or kill the room they have spent hours working hard to get is what causes this issue.

Totally agree

 

[Hiunds]

As it relates to the original post, my guess is that StripChat Inc isn’t that interested in allowing models to boot invisible ultimate users. I bet they probably make a decent chunk of money off ultimate memberships (something that at the end of the day costs them almost nothing) and don’t want to devalue what is one of the few (if you think about it) benefits the user gets from either buying it or spending so much on the site that they get it for free

I mean, the whole business model seems to be based on allowing a bunch of non-paying customers to hang out in the hopes that some become paying customers and fund the site as a whole. I’ve found most of their policies are pretty lenient for looky-loos

 

[NotYou]

The issue still remains though that the model is not being compensated for those 15 seconds. If you look at your token history after a pvt you will see that you are billed by the second, which means the model is shorted 15 billing cycles. It might not be much, it might be a lot depending on the spy price but it's the same either way, the site is giving access to content that should be income generating for the model.

by only needing 1 minutes worth of tokens on the account to get the 15 second spy that means if someone had tokens for 1 minute the site is giving an additional 25% for free.

But those 15 seconds are meant purely as a preview to see if you want to spy properly.
it has made me stay and spy lots of times because of it. Without it I never would have spied, so it does work and helps to encourage spying.
And realistically we only get about 5 - 10 seconds of spying. It's 15 seconds but it always takes 5 seconds to connect and show the video, and then obviously you can usually see in 5 seconds if you're going to want to stay or not, so it's not some big preview you get, but I think it's great for both sides.

 

[KingMarti]

But those 15 seconds are meant purely as a preview to see if you want to spy properly.
it has made me stay and spy lots of times because of it. Without it I never would have spied, so it does work and helps to encourage spying.
And realistically we only get about 5 - 10 seconds of spying. It's 15 seconds but it always takes 5 seconds to connect and show the video, and then obviously you can usually see in 5 seconds if you're going to want to stay or not, so it's not some big preview you get, but I think it's great for both sides.

That is some next level entitlement you have going on.

 

[Natural9]

I am guessing they do not realize that for many year on CB you could spy on any private show for free and not just 15 seconds, you could watch the whole show. It was pretty common knowledge amongst the members this was possible so I am wondering if they know how many hours of free spying they gave away without ever knowing it was happening. Only when the flash player was replaced was it no longer possible to do.

Speaking of "next level entitlement", the members do not code the site nor make it that way. I do not spy on shows because usually the spy rate is higher than a private show and rarely would you ever see what you would want in a private show anyways. I have tried the free 15 seconds of spying and most of the time I have tried I never get connected and see anything in the 15 seconds... just a black blank screen. There have been a couple of occasions where I was able to spy for a few seconds and later returned and did my own private with the model. I am doubting that the free 15 seconds over time is anywhere close to the hours of free spying that was done for many years on CB. It's a trade off on SC that has the possibility of making the models more money in the long run.

 

[Brit]

Whether true or not, how is "CB used to be this way" in any way relevant?

A model should be offered the choice. That's it. That's the discussion. Discuss whether a model should or shouldn't be forced to give away free content, not the pros and cons of offering said free content. Good god, I am literally face palming from this thread and am disappointed af by some people who I never thought I would be.

 

[Natural9]

Models do have a choice .. work on the site or not. How many of the models complaining in this thread work on SC?

 

[AudriTwo]

Models do have a choice .. work on the site or not. How many of the models complaining in this thread work on SC?

i would like to have worked SC. there are lots of things i like about the site, but there are a few glaring issues where i wont. the reason we are vocal is because we would like to see change so OTHER FUCKING MODELS WHO WORK THE SITE will not be harmed by their shitty fucking policies.


god you are so irritating

 

[Vixxen81]

You have never been able to spy for free on CB. Setting the rate to 0 disables spying on CB. Always has.

Now if you want to sit on the Community Page and watch thumbs refresh, that's a kind of spying for free but not to the letter of the complaint here.

 

[MarieElise]

Whether true or not, how is "CB used to be this way" in any way relevant?

A model should be offered the choice. That's it. That's the discussion. Discuss whether a model should or shouldn't be forced to give away free content, not the pros and cons of offering said free content. Good god, I am literally face palming from this thread and am disappointed af by some people who I never thought I would be.

It really is. The amount of responses that have nothing to do with the actual issue being discussed, and which completely rudely overstep, confirm my opinion that SC bred the worst crowd, by not having a ban button for years. They clearly have learned next to nothing by socializing with us, here at this forum, and the levels of empathy and reading comprehension, are extremely questionable. One is just straight up immature and rude, as Audri pointed out. It's so disappointing in many cases.

@Natural9 when I joined this site and you went out of your way to "help" and DM me, you literally never knew the answers to anything that wasn't already easy to find. And super black and white and simple. Talking to you was a complete waste of my time, and nuance was completely lost on you. You are not helpful at all. Stop acting like a know it all expert. You are rude and don't seem to have the ability to either understand what others are actually talking about about, nor empathize with anything in any way. I humored you like one humors a child who just made a complete mess, but wants to feel useful. Just stop already.

 

[AmberCutie]

so it does work and helps to encourage spying.

We've already discussed that. Models should have the option to turn that on/off though so they can decide if they want it offered.

That's the point of the argument from models here. Cool, it's a feature! Let us opt in or out.

A model should be offered the choice. That's it. That's the discussion. Discuss whether a model should or shouldn't be forced to give away free content, not the pros and cons of offering said free content. Good god, I am literally face palming from this thread and am disappointed af by some people who I never thought I would be.

^^

 

[AmberCutie]

Models do have a choice .. work on the site or not. How many of the models complaining in this thread work on SC?

This is unhelpful. Please see yourself out of this thread.

 

[yummybrownfox]

It really is. The amount of responses that have nothing to do with the actual issue being discussed, and which completely rudely overstep, confirm my opinion that SC bred the worst crowd, by not having a ban button for years.

A few years ago, one of the models on here (I think it was Brit ) gave a heads up about how cheap and entitled the men on SC tend to be. And boy, was she right. I’ve never seen so many dudes tip 1 token and expect the world…or non-tipping “ultimate” members bother me with PMs just because SC gives ultimates that stupid perk of bothering models via PM whenever they want…

Like you said, models spent a few years asking Support to give the option to permanently ban whoever we want. And freeloading members were camping out, taking advantage of the fact that a model COULDN’T ban them until they typed something first. So they could sit there lurking for hours if they wanted to, and the model couldn’t do shit about it…..

 

[LilyLaughing]

I am guessing they do not realize that for many year on CB you could spy on any private show for free and not just 15 seconds/

We know. Doesn't mean anyone was happy about or that many models simply opted out of working there due to this.

Speaking of "next level entitlement", the members do not code the site nor make it that way.

Thank goodness, that would be disaster of unknown magnitude? Who should horny wankers be recruited as coders?

I do not spy on shows because ... [he said a lot]

Great? We appreciate it!

 

[My_Opinion]

Look at the mess I've created. Just kidding. But, just to summarize what i wish would get fixed...

1. Ability to ban Invisible "Ultimates" , [ IS GRANTED to Models. ]
2. Ability to ban Anons, that camp in our rooms for more than 120 seconds. [ IMLive has this feature, ( they actually let you ban AND kick anons from the first second they enter and block by IP. ) ]
3. Ability to choose to only appear LIVE / be seen ONLY to members who have Usernames and are logged in. (Obviously.) As i mentioned previous, [ Streamate has this feature. ]
4. Anons, AKA: (Viewers without Usernames) CANNOT hit the bell button and "heart and/or follow" / CANNOT get a notification when you log in.
5. WHEN YOU BLOCK A USERNAME AND/OR ANON THE NOTIFICATIONS OF YOU AS A MODEL ARE NO LONGER SENT TO THOSE / WHOM YOU HAVE BANNED! ( this is breeding stalking and abuse and should be fixed immediately. )

@Stella_SC

 

[My_Opinion]

Forgot to mention; something else that would absolutely fantastic;

6. After a Model bans a Username; WE SHOULD NO LONGER BE SHOWN AS ONLINE TO THEM ON THE WEBSITE WHEN THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR MODELS! [ Like Chaturbate does ]. THERE IS ZERO REASON WHY SOMEONE WHOM WE HAD A FALLING OUT WITH, SHOULD KNOW WE ARE ONLINE AND BE ABLE TO SEE US, STILL! It's silly and a massive oversight.

7. Same with a blocked Anon, the IP they are on lurking should be blocked from seeing us on the site, at all, ever again, unless we clear the block(s).

 

[yummybrownfox]

Look at the mess I've created. Just kidding. But, just to summarize what i wish would get fixed...

1. Ability to ban Invisible "Ultimates" , [ IS GRANTED to Models. ]
2. Ability to ban Anons, that camp in our rooms for more than 120 seconds. [ IMLive has this feature, ( they actually let you ban AND kick anons from the first second they enter and block by IP. ) ]
3. Ability to choose to only appear LIVE / be seen ONLY to members who have Usernames and are logged in. (Obviously.) As i mentioned previous, [ Streamate has this feature. ]
4. Anons, AKA: (Viewers without Usernames) CANNOT hit the bell button and "heart and/or follow" / CANNOT get a notification when you log in.
5. WHEN YOU BLOCK A USERNAME AND/OR ANON THE NOTIFICATIONS OF YOU AS A MODEL ARE NO LONGER SENT TO THOSE / WHOM YOU HAVE BANNED! ( this is breeding stalking and abuse and should be fixed immediately. )

@Stella_SC

Regarding #2…Yes, when I did do free chat on ImLive, I loved the fact that they kicked members out of free chat after a couple minutes. Rather than this ‘camp out in free chat as long as you want’ b.s. that members take advantage of on other sites.

 

[Stella_SC]

Thanks for the summary @My_Opinion
I have passed on your (and everyone else's) suggestions and feedback to the relevant teams.