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My source is 100s of independent researchers and my own common sense and critical thought.*
You need a source to realize there are no dug up,mass Graves of these countless Jewish holocaust victims?

If you try to kill and dispose of 1 million people in 6 years in these camps. You would have to do it 456 times a day.
That's just one million and a generous 6 years. That's impossible.
You need a source to visually see a star of David looks like a hexagram?
The art of thinking for yourself and critical thought is obviously dying.

*common sense and critical thought? You don't say? Ok, lets do some maths... Auschwitz-Berkanau had 4 gas chambers, so they could easily accommodate the killing of 6000 people per day at its peak in 1943... and that is just 1 site...

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:
Killing Centres: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005145
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005189


So... despite numerous requests from other contributors here, I have not yet seen any solid evidence whatsoever of your "alleged" sources to support your dismally weak arguments in this thread. Continually trying to pass off your opinion as fact is pretty meaningless. Therefore, without (any) unimpeachable sources to substantiate your wild irrational claims, your statements are nothing more than delusional anti-Semitic rants, rooted in the darkness of a blinkered, paranoid mind and totally lacking any credibility.

Let's go with some solid info from the real world shall we?

1. The World At War...[Episode 20: Genocide] ITV Documentary series from 1973 -1974
info...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War

2. Auschwitz: The Nazis and The Final Solution. [All 6 episodes] BBC documentary series from 2005, charting the planning, construction and operation of Auschwitz.
info... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz:_The_Nazis_and_'The_Final_Solution'

3. The Nazis: A Warning From History. [6 Episodes... Episode 5: "The Road To Treblinka" is most relevant] BBC documentary series from 1997, charting the rise to power and the effect across the globe of the German war machine.
info... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nazis:_A_Warning_from_History

4. USC Shoah Foundation:
70 Stories of Auschwitz http://sfi.usc.edu/exhibits/70-stories-auschwitz?gclid=CMLvyuXH8dMCFam87Qod1qMGtg

5.United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:
Killing Centres: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005145



Ars longa, vita brevis, occasio praeceps, experimentum periculosum, iudicium difficile

...Hippocrates.


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I have said nothing wrong nor personally attacked anyone. I have simply brought up an intellectually challenging angle you dont know how to deal with.
You are lying.
 
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wheres the trolling part?
  • ok,ok stop overthinking the obvious.
  • Youre complaining about nothing. Youre inventing an issue that isnt there in my remark.
  • see that? youve been conditioned by society to look for slights and negatives while even being complimented.
  • youre still only thinking in terms of accepting the reality you live in.
  • You do everything you are told and believe everything you read from a source you had no say in giving them power.
  • You aren't actually understanding or thinking about anything I said.
  • You just blindly follow govt without questioning it.
  • Simply put,your answers prove you don't yet have the critical thought to understand what I said
  • You are interpreting it in a certain way.
  • You are putting in emotion that my typed words aren't using.
  • Lol the problem here is you are focusing on trivialities.
  • More missing the point and making things personal.
  • your busy judging me like you've been conditioned to do so, when confused by alternative thought. :)
  • No, the issue is your comprehension level.
  • You're basically admitting you only can believe major commercial media.
  • that means you don't know how to listen yet from all the white noise you've been fed.
  • Lol man, people have absolutely no comprehensive ability and personalize everything.
  • Absolutely no where did I say I was right about everything.
  • The problem in a few cases here is people in their 20s and 30s unable to grasp anything but the most basic concepts fed to.them by someone else.
  • you have a lot to learn about being open minded as of course you all think you are.
  • Obviously you aren't open minded because you are lashing out at something can't understand.
  • You rally all day about freedom of speech and thought but can't handle it when it's actually happening.
  • You call yourself liberal or independent and yet you can't grasp actual. Liberal or independent thought when confronted by it.
  • youre 22. You have no idea whats being talked about here.
  • You arent critical enough to grasp the concept.
  • Your comprehension is poor.
  • You didnt actually listen to it.
  • you have no concept of what this is about and arent even actually thinking about it.
  • You are trying to knock me while at the same time proving me right.
  • You don't know anything about actual mental or physical freedom.
  • Do you have anything to offer other then your childish acceptance of your slavery?
  • You like and need govt to tell you what to do.
  • In your mind,anyone who disagrees with your larger group of sheep couldn't possibly be right.
  • You've been trained to need acceptance at the expense of finding out actual truth.
  • You'd rather be popular than right.
  • Youve been reduced to a shallow,mindless worker bee,who worships a piece of meaningless paper.
  • No one can think for themselves. They've been reduced to needing to follow orders and are too happy to do it.
  • More proof people have been conditioned to think with their emotions which makes them easy prey for propaganda.
  • Your mind is ruled by what you think,feel and believe instead of what actually is.
  • You've chosen to let propaganda be your truth ..but not reality.
  • You're redundant and just showing a confirmation bias.
  • Youre a good sheep,,you obey your M asters well.
  • How childish are you people? It's called another viewpoint. It's called not everyone thinks like you. Can anyone think outside their tiny minded box about the world around them?
  • Lol you fail to understand the 2 may actually be related.
  • I'm positively trying to get you to not be so shallow and open up your thought process.
  • You are thinkjng.like an idiot.
  • Oh sheesh, I have not said I was more intelligent then you or anyone.
  • What's hard to understand?
  • I don't claim to know more than you or anyone. I just give a different viewpoint and people choose to put emotion to it and pick sides.
  • Interesting ,coming from a site that promotes freedom of expression ,doing something others frown upon.
  • You don't know,understand or believe what I said,so what?
  • Lol at mocking me for asking valid questions about what you think you know and choose to believe.
  • People believe too many things but don't actually KNOW anything.
  • Again, all you are doing is quoting main stream media and propaganda with no evidence or fact that what you believe is true.
  • You went somewhere after the fact and believed how it was described to you through someone else or some other material.
  • See that? You are given a situation where you aren't told anything and another where you are told misleading,fake, numbers you can't prove. ..and your mind just creates the story and bias for it .which causes you to emotionally attack someone else for questioning it.
  • and you are illiterate.
  • your remark proves you dont do anything but believe what you are told without looking for the actual truth.
  • you rely on another source with no actual facts or real proof.
  • you have nothing but faith. You have nothing but belief. That is not proof or a fact. You just hope and feel you are right.
  • You want to talk about denial? How about your denial that the world isn't as face value,cookie cutter, easy to understand as you want to believe.
  • Fascinating. you think youre some mature, free thinking adult. Yet cant handle supposed radical opinions that dont match with your beliefs.
  • I have yet to actually insult you. You need to take it down a notch. You think you believe in freedom yet arent capable of letting others express their freedom.have a nice day :).
  • when push comes to shove,the truth is people cant really handle actual freedom of choice or thought. They have to conform to a majority or they get scared.
  • Your going on basic propaganda you heard and never actually looked into.
  • but I appear to be the only one here who actually has the balls to question something..and even with the internet, the only one who seems to be able to research varying views.
  • you are reality deniers.
  • learn something and become wiser
  • number? your question assumes you got truthful information to begin with? lol at quoting anything on 60 minutes.
  • your emotional response has nothing to with with whether what you believe actually happened.
  • You have no facts you can prove in any way shape or form.
  • Believing and repeating something said to you many times is not a fact or a truth and will never make it so.
  • you would hit someone for having a different view? incredible hypocritical remark by you.
  • you are personally attacking me for absolutely no reason caused by me.
  • Just you relying on emotions to do your thinking for you.
  • I have not insulted or attacked anyone while that has happened to me.
  • People just cant handle authentic freedom of speech and thought. ..And no one really knows anything about world history.
  • You would ban someone for helping you wake from your sleep? For widening your horizons ?
  • The internet is right in front of you.Actually start using it.
  • What are you afraid of? Why do you just start insulting people for having different views? It's because you've been conditioned to by the people who don't want you to know what is really going on.
  • My source is 100s of independent researchers and my own common sense and critical thought.
  • The art of thinking for yourself and critical thought is obviously dying.
  • you don't have the balls to look up the truth.
  • you need people to tell you everything and you believe the first one who does and repeats it to you countless times.
  • Unless the source is major media you won't believe it any way.
  • And you need to actually look up the word conspiracy because you don't even actually know what it means.
  • Because you need to believe a lie for fear of going nuts or becoming very sad.
  • I have said nothing wrong nor personally attacked anyone.
  • I have simply brought up an intellectually challenging angle you dont know how to deal with.
  • you are reacting the same way you accuse religious people of reacting when they get mad at people for questioning their faith with no real understanding of their own religion.
Right here buddy.




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I don't really need to prove anything, I actually think that raising controversial questions is always important, and this forum has enough balance to provide a contradiction to anyone.
I agree with that. But that is not what @Cal_blue is doing.

Talking about US/Israeli policy, AIPAC, treatment of Palestinians, how the Holocaust has been misused as a propaganda tool...I am all for it. He is here to derail and discredit any serious discussions about such things. Without, I might add, ever making a point other than how obnoxious/low-functioning he is.
 
I really haven't paid all that much attention to his shit posts because I don't participate in these sorts of threads. But if the consensus is that he's making the place stink worse than it should (which, it appears from a quick glance, is likely) I'll look into it. Let me know.
Can you at least put him in the doghouse? I was going to post more stuff about Stalinist
labour camps and Soviet war crimes during World War II. But now his comments and all the back and forth have derailed this into a thread about the Holocaust. I intended this thread to be about the forgotten victims of Stalinism.
 
Can you at least put him in the doghouse? I was going to post more stuff about Stalinist
labour camps and Soviet war crimes during World War II. But now his comments and all the back and forth have derailed this into a thread about the Holocaust. I intended this thread to be about the forgotten victims of Stalinism.
Curious to see what else you got about the Soviets.
 
Ok, lets do some maths... Auschwitz-Berkanau had 4 gas chambers, so they could easily accommodate the killing of 6000 people per day at its peak in 1943... and that is just 1 site...

Would ya mind if I took the math a bit further? I got bored with the stupidity being spewed from the child.




You can't kill 6 million in 4 years with the amount of camps and ovens they had, no matter how hard you try to crunch the number.

I am not denying that evil people killed people. I did not deny Nazi's killed Jews.
I am saying the number and way it was presented to you is a lie.

Nice of you to admit there were camps. We now have that basis. Don't try to say there weren't anymore. You flipflopping on everything you say in this thread is silly.


Now, math time, since I don't think you have ever actually done the math yourself to realize how foolish your statement is.


First off, the number of dead. I don't like dwelling on just the number killed in the Holocaust (Upper case H there to represent the Jews), instead let's look at the total number of deaths the Germans are responsible for during the war, the holocaust (lower case, all inclusive). Yes, it was 6 million Jews. But the actual number overall is accepted to be between 11 to 15 million counting people of other nationalities, age, sexual orientation, political alignment, etc.. It's commonly known they killed off everyone they didn't like, and they didn't like anyone but themselves. And modern research is now credibly reporting the number is closer to 20 million, with a few suggesting as high as 21 million deaths. We'll call them "Victims."

So I'm going to ignore your low 6 million figure and do the math on 20 million. Even more impossible by your reasoning!

The census for 1939 Germany lists 79 million people in it and lands under its control. But the 1933 census lists the population of Germany proper as 65 million. Let's not count them all in this, just the number of people actively in military service in Germany throughout the war, 22 million. That number is not in debate by anyone. Germans kept very good records, as has been mentioned prior in this thread.

But i'm sure many of those were in support roles. So let's cut that number down to just 10% of them and call them "Killers." So we'll say there were only 2.2 million Killers who would shoot Jews, and all those other people we are looking at, on orders to do so.

That math is simple. 20 million Victims divided by 2.2 million Killers means each Killer only had to kill 9.0909 (repeating) Victims throughout the entire war to accomplish that horrendous feat.

Nine.

Gotta say, I've had days where I've shot off 1000 rounds just doing target practice. Nine for the whole war seems kind of slow in my opinion.

You mention a 4 year and a 6 year time frame in your posts for this to all happen in. For the sake of fun, I will use your more restraining 4 years, or 1460 days.

Each Killer has 1460 days to kill his allotted 9.09 Victims. That means each Killer would have to kill ONE single solitary Victim every 160.6 days. (1460/9.0909...)


Some bonus math here.
According to research done by Geoffrey Megargee, Germans had 42,400 camps and ghettos across Europe. When you factor that into the equation it becomes a trivial matter to see how that many Victims could be killed.
But ignore that and pretend there were only 50 camps in all of Europe, and that only the death camps accounted for all those deaths. In 1460 days, each death camp would only have to gas/burn/work to death 274 people to account for over 20 million. (50 * 1460 * 274 = 20.002 million) A camp devoted to killing should be able to handle killing and processing a single person every 5 minutes of the day, don't you agree? Seems a poorly engineered death camp if it couldn't handle that light load.


To sum that up:

Using over TRIPLE the number killed you yourself cite.

Disregarding 90% of the military.

Using your shorter time frame.

Leaves only 1 person having to be killed by Germans every 160 days.

What exactly about that snails pace do you think is impossible?

Next time you want to use 'crunch the numbers' as your defense, uhm...crunch the numbers.

Bonus bonus math: using only the 6 million number means the 10% of the German military would have to kill one person every year and a half to account for them. You saying it's not possible is ludicrous.
 
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Can you at least put him in the doghouse? I was going to post more stuff about Stalinist
labour camps and Soviet war crimes during World War II. But now his comments and all the back and forth have derailed this into a thread about the Holocaust. I intended this thread to be about the forgotten victims of Stalinism.
I removed his ability to reply in this thread. If he tries to take this conversation to another thread please report it to me.
 
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