Hook, Line but no Back Tattoo

[Vixxen81]

Cost to me and what she ends up with are separate matters. ( same deal for all performers though) But If I've spent $100 per month, it's not 83 cents an hour to her. She had 200 tokens after 4 hours on CB yesterday - I was there for 2 hours /100 tokens - It was all chat, no "business", she was frustrada and upset

But at least I know tip shaming is a thing. My frame of reference was one room during the early morning Colombian time, mid morning Europe. I'd never seen a big tipper there until last Saturday who tipped more than my total in a session. Which came as quite the surprise

Offsite whatsapp contact is a pic or short message - 2 times a week. General stuff- beach pics, places I visit. Always get a short response. She does use whatsapp while I'm in her room as she thinks her PM chat is watched and she vents on whatsapp to me.

Chat is business and fuck you for thinking it's not. I'm so tired of you guys.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Obviously this will differ from model to model, and yes, it does depend.

However, by your own admission, you spend about three hours per week in her room. Not even including offsite contact, which I’m going to guess is probably more than three hours a week, that’s roughly twelve hours of entertainment you’re getting from her a month. So she’s making about 83 cents an hour from you. A lot less than that if you consider offsite contact. It wouldn’t be so bad if you were just hanging and chilling, but going off of your posts from here, you seem like you would be an emotionally needy and exhausting member to deal with.

And for reference, I charge more than what you pay her a month for a minute of custom content.

Personally, I think that hanging and chilling is worth a lot more than $.83/h. Even just hanging out in a room is taking time and 83 cents seems insulting to me.

 

[ArcticKitty]

100 tks amounts to USD $5 for the model. And if she works at a studio, she may get $3.

 

[Marceline]

But If I've spent $100 per month, it's not 83 cents an hour to her

This wasn’t what you said before. In your first post you said this:

I don't want to do the sums but I've dropped 1500-2000 tokens to her - as I said, modest but regular.

Which made it sound like you’ve tipped 2000 tokens overall. It now seems like you’re backtracking. Doesn’t really matter either way, because even if it’s 2000 tokens a month she’d be getting roughly $25-30 after her studio took their cut. Even if we round up on everything, that’s still only $2.5 an hour. Again, I charge much more than that for a minute of custom content. Even with private shows, you make more than that a minute (at least you do on MFC where there’s fixed private rates).

But at least I know tip shaming is a thing. My frame of reference was one room during the early morning Colombian time, mid morning Europe. I'd never seen a big tipper there until last Saturday who tipped more than my total in a session. Which came as quite the surprise

It’s more so the fact that you seem like the sort of member who will basically demand a model’s undivided attention when you’re in her room, yet not willing to properly compensate for that attention.

And unfortunately, the reason why you haven’t seen a lot of big tips in a Colombian studio model’s room is because a lot of the time the members who go to their rooms aren’t the greatest. They attract cheap members who know that due to differences in socioeconomic status they can tip way less for certain things compared to American/Canadian/Uk models. And then you have the ones who are looking for a girlfriend or wife, and think they don’t have to pay at all.

 

[Geezer]

The primary purpose of these sites is transactional virtual sexual activity, hopefully both performer does well and punters get what their after.

I jumped around initially going from performer to performer to see if they did it for me. One performer who looks to have gone, really dragged me out of my shell, wanting increasingly explicit pics of me and it was my first experience of this, rather thrilling actually, she was a wild women that one, mature, curvey and a tigress.

But I found the women - who the post is about, relatively quiet room, long chats via PM and now what's app also. There was the transactional part which was/still is hotter than hell however some level of familiarity - relationship does form whenever there is regular interaction over a period of time, virtually or otherwise.

Whats the benefit? Maybe we're comfortable in each others virtual company and she feels there's someone in her corner, she does vent to me, I do some spruiking for her in public chat, she's helping me with my spanish! She doesn't push or demand - never has which endears her to me even more. It's a nice way to finish my day. My Wilma sleeps in another cave.

I get the feeling she is nearing the end of doing this. Would she pull the pin and just disappear without a word ? Maybe. I'd leave the door open via what's app, the sex aspect would be no longer, thats not a deal breaker though, but she could change numbers and all contact would be lost. Or casual contact could continue because 2 people made a connection they valued. Fantasy land maybe but I'll suspend being a cynic in this instance. If I'm proved a fool, I don't think i'll regret this chapter in my life

Thanks for responding to me. Can't quite say I understand now, but also think any follow-up questions are gonna enlighten me further

Apologies again to everyone who felt I was intruding. I'm out again.

 

[Geezer]

Everyone has different wants and needs regarding camsites. Personally, if all I wanted was a wank, there are plenty of free porn sites out there .

*For me*, part of treating models like human beings, and not sex robots, is genuine interested and interesting chat.

Well, just one last comment before I go because this bothered me a little bit

I don't treat models as sex robots, just like I don't treat my baker as a bread robot. I'm civil, polite, friendly, etc. But I don't feel in either case that I'm required to be deeply personally invested in their lives. I already have a wife for that, and if I just want to shoot the shit with strangers there is always a pub near.

I'll probably be spending most of this Sunday there myself, peace

 

[Lilly_____]

Would you please stop using random Spanish words, wet get it you're letting Spanish, ugh, you're a troll aren't you

 

[misterical]

She said a day off sick resulted in the studio docking her pay? I should add the pics she sent of her hand sort of bandaged up yesterday didnt look particularly convincing. Things that make you go hmmm

The Colombian based models I know don't get "docked" pay for missing days off sick per se. My understanding is that they often get a lower percentage if they don't make their core hours for the week though.

Don't mistrust her like that though. If she's showing you an injury then accept it for what it is. It doesn't sound like she's trying to scam you into paying to compensate her time out of action. You're either her friend or you're a suspicious customer. Decide which.

 

[ArcticKitty]

The Colombian based models I know don't get "docked" pay for missing days off sick per se. My understanding is that they often get a lower percentage if they don't make their core hours for the week though.

Don't mistrust her like that though. If she's showing you an injury then accept it for what it is. It doesn't sound like she's trying to scam you into paying to compensate her time out of action. You're either her friend or you're a suspicious customer. Decide which.

I'm betting he is simply an annoyance.

 

[Ozzie_]

Well, just one last comment before I go because this bothered me a little bit

Why did it another you a bit? I said that everyone has different needs and ways of using camsites. And prefaced my next statement (which you reply to below) with "*For me*" meaning what I said was my own outlook on camsites, I do not project my needs or wants on anyone else.

I don't treat models as sex robots, just like I don't treat my baker as a bread robot. I'm civil, polite, friendly, etc. But I don't feel in either case that I'm required to be deeply personally invested in their lives.

Where did I say I or anyone else is *required* to be deeply personally involved? You've read an awful lot into my post that was not there.

I already have a wife for that, and if I just want to shoot the shit with strangers there is always a pub near.

Good for you, not all of us have partners. Also, my local pub does not have beautiful, interesting women in various states of undress who are willing to talk to me.

 

[MarieElise]

Good for you, not all of us have partners. Also, my local pub does not have beautiful, interesting women in various states of undress who are willing to talk to me.

Love this ^

I don't think there's a right or wrong or anything. I just find it interesting because it's different from myself. But I don't think either way is right or wrong. I'm the type that would rather get personal w my baker, my cam person, whoever, because then I get more back, and it enriches me even more. But maybe that can be found at the pub in a dude way. When I think of the pub all I think of are sweaty feet, vomit, and outrageous bells ringing at insanely high volumes, every time some sweaty dude throws or kicks a ball through a thing. It's like another planet for me in those places.

A nice warm bakery with the fresh smell of bread, and some strong people baking tasty bread... or an interesting, spicy cam room where you never know what's going to happen next, (or possibly how fucking amazingly great she's going to make you feel for the rest of your night). They just sound more fun and relaxing. Forums are fun too, but you can't actually see people's faces, or hear their tones/ intonations, so a big piece is missing for me. Like the biggest piece... anyway sorry to ramble on.

 

[Nienna]

Love this ^

I don't think there's a right or wrong or anything. I just find it interesting because it's different from myself. But I don't think either way is right or wrong. I'm the type that would rather get personal w my baker, my cam person, whoever, because then I get more back, and it enriches me even more. But maybe that can be found at the pub in a dude way. When I think of the pub all I think of are sweaty feet, vomit, and outrageous bells ringing at insanely high volumes, every time some sweaty dude throws or kicks a ball through a thing. It's like another planet for me in those places.

A nice warm bakery with the fresh smell of bread, and some strong people baking tasty bread... or an interesting, spicy cam room where you never know what's going to happen next, (or possibly how fucking amazingly great she's going to make you feel for the rest of your night). They just sound more fun and relaxing. Forums are fun too, but you can't actually see people's faces, or hear their tones/ intonations, so a big piece is missing for me. Like the biggest piece... anyway sorry to ramble on.

I could not agree more. You are not rambling, btw. I for one, really enjoy your input and insight.

 

[ArcticKitty]

I love the smell of fresh baked bread. But when I think of a bakery, I actually prefer places where you can sit down at a small table and have coffee with whatever sweet baked good you have a craving for

 

[MarieElise]

I love the smell of fresh baked bread. But when I think of a bakery, I actually prefer places where you can sit down at a small table and have coffee with whatever sweet baked good you have a craving for

Mmmm yum. There's one in my hometown where they bake the bread, and you can do that too. They let you sample the fresh baked bread, it's great!
(Was in the middle of kind of a mind game earlier )

 

[rockin_rod]

Mmmm yum. There's one in my hometown where they bake the bread, and you can do that too. They let you sample the fresh baked bread, it's great!
(Was in the middle of kind of a mind game earlier )

My local bakery gives away samples of fresh-baked hot bread, with locally-made butter and an olive oil/balsamic vinegar dip.
They bake a huge range of sourdough including my fave rosemary, potato and parmesan, and the smell is divine.
So nice to take the dog for an early morning walk on the weekend and bring a loaf home (doesn't last long though!).

 

[misterical]

I get the feeling she is nearing the end of doing this. Would she pull the pin and just disappear without a word ? Maybe. I'd leave the door open via what's app, the sex aspect would be no longer, thats not a deal breaker though, but she could change numbers and all contact would be lost. Or casual contact could continue because 2 people made a connection they valued. Fantasy land maybe but I'll suspend being a cynic in this instance. If I'm proved a fool, I don't think i'll regret this chapter in my life

You'll find that there are a number of models and members who chat offline with one another, many of them on this forum. However, I'd imagine most of them know that without the cam site as the shared touchpoint, most communication would eventually tail off and fade away. Maybe not immediately but certainly over time.

 

[MarieElise]

(doesn't last long though!).

Yeah… I know the feeling

 

[ArcticKitty]

My local bakery gives away samples of fresh-baked hot bread, with locally-made butter and an olive oil/balsamic vinegar dip.
They bake a huge range of sourdough including my fave rosemary, potato and parmesan, and the smell is divine.
So nice to take the dog for an early morning walk on the weekend and bring a loaf home (doesn't last long though!).

I would love to be able to do that with my dog

Except he's an overgrown puppy and the nearest thing to a bakery or cafe w/i dog walking distance is a supermarket with some outdoor seating.

 

[Geezer]

Why did it another you a bit? I said that everyone has different needs and ways of using camsites. And prefaced my next statement (which you reply to below) with "*For me*" meaning what I said was my own outlook on camsites, I do not project my needs or wants on anyone else.


Where did I say I or anyone else is *required* to be deeply personally involved? You've read an awful lot into my post that was not there.


Good for you, not all of us have partners. Also, my local pub does not have beautiful, interesting women in various states of undress who are willing to talk to me.

Let me just reply to the first and last part. For all the rest, I've resigned myself that 'different strokes for different folks' is all the clarification I'm gonna get on what personally puzzles me. But that's fine, I run into that conclusion lots of times on lots of subjects

Before I answer you, I would like to get something else out of the way. I really like the atmosphere of this forum, and would like to leave the opportunity open to occasionally come back to talk here with other cam site members about experiences.
It is not a subject to easily bring up organically in chat in real life, and other internet forums on the subject are a little too bro-tastic and/or sleazy for me.
However, I read some of the model comments above to my earlier posts. Apparently there is some worry I might be coming here to provoke model responses for some free titilation.
So how about if I want to ask a model something, I will check the profile to see where she/he cams and ask in a tip note? Here I will only reply to camsite members. Would that work?

To your reply:
Well the thing that irked me a little was your insistence that *you* don't treat models as sex robots, thereby implying (at least how I interpreted it) that *I* do.
No further offence was felt or meant in reply. Just wanted to clarify the felt implication.

As for my local pubs, they are not filled with attractive women in their underwear either. But I was making a distinction of just talking for social needs, which you can do with anybody and don't need to tip for, and talking in service of sexual gratification which is something to pay an online model for.

Again, just clarifying my perspective. I've done some more reading here before I made this reply, so I'm aware by now there are a lot of ways to approach this hobby.

 

[Vixxen81]

Neither my brain nor my body are free. If you are chatting with me, you better be paying me. It's a hobby for you and a lifeline to success for most models. It's our job. Our livelihood. Chat is not free.

 

[Lilly_____]

I think he meant that in his case he doesn't want to use camsites for just chatting and I honestly think that's fine and very healthy. I don't see this as treating models as sex robots. It's the service we offer. If you go there, pay for my services, treat me with respect, it's all good. Actually it's way better than wackos like OP who like to create a bunch of drama around it.

I also don't think he meant he won't tip models for their time, the way I read it he says if it's just for chat he'd rather go to a pub where you can chat without tipping to pretty much anyone.

It all seems reasonable to me.

 

[Vixxen81]

I think he meant that in his case he doesn't want to use camsites for just chatting and I honestly think that's fine and very healthy. I don't see this as treating models as sex robots. It's the service we offer. If you go there, pay for my services, treat me with respect, it's all good. Actually it's way better than wackos like OP who like to create a bunch of drama around it.

I also don't think he meant he won't tip models for their time, the way I read it he says if it's just for chat he'd rather go to a pub where you can chat without tipping to pretty much anyone.

It all seems reasonable to me.

I didn't reply to him directly because I haven't been following the conversation, but it is tangential to the conversation.

Many, many guys think chatting with us is free because the sites advertise it that way and they are happy to talk to someone and never tip a dime. My comment is for the people lurking and reading this who think we should only be paid if our tits are out. Visitng a cam site is always a hobby for the viewer, even if it turns into an addiction.

 

[MarieElise]

I don't think there's anything wrong with chatting if you want to, and it's reciprocated and paid for, just like there's nothing wrong w not doing so. I never made a judgement I just noted it was interesting, so this all seems a bit dramatic to me. Idk what this guy is talking about, but I won't lie, I'm not sure I care that much...

We discuss things here, and just chat, I didn't realize that would be upsetting to someone to this level, that it needed to be expounded upon like that. Seems odd, but that's just my opinion. Meh, a bit confusing, but whatever. The world is made up of all sorts I do agree w Ozzie that it seems an awful lot is being read in here...

I did think the OP wasn't super cool, and shouldn't be encouraged though. I thought he said quite a few things which were very unhelpful overall, to models, and was really disrespectful. And I do think it's important to note and call out when that happens, and not just gloss over like it's just normal or OK behavior. And rush to comfort or help that person, but again, that's just my personal opinion. Based upon working in an industry that's very stignatized for 9 years, and where some people have very skewed, and sometimes even abusive expectations of us.

 

[Vixxen81]

I don't think there's anything wrong with chatting if you want to, and it's reciprocated and paid for, just like there's nothing wrong w not doing so. I never made a judgement I just noted it was interesting, so this all seems a bit dramatic to me. Idk what this guy is talking about, but I won't lie, I'm not sure I care that much...

I did think the OP wasn't super cool, and shouldn't be encouraged though. I thought he said quite a few things which were very unhelpful overall, to models.

Yeah I'm pretty disinterested, I probably should have just let it die but eh I have a big mouth and I'm still pissed off about being catfished by my own fan club member so I should probably just STFU and stay out of the member threads and keep to the model threads for a while.

As long as there is some give and take, I think we all are willing to let some things slide on both sides of the camera. But when it's all or nothing and the model is on the receiving end of nothing, that's where I feel like the nature of the service is lost in translation. And now I've completely wandered away from the topic...

I think it's time for a shower beer and a celebration of Trump's 37 charges.

 

[MarieElise]

I think it's time for a shower beer and a celebration of Trump's 37 charges.

 

[Vixxen81]

All the beers!!!

 

[Ozzie_]

I think it's time for a shower beer and a celebration of Trump's 37 charges.

As an outsider, I will celebrate when (if) there's a conviction (It seems that charges and indictments are easy; convictions, not so much)

 

[Geezer]

I think he meant that in his case he doesn't want to use camsites for just chatting and I honestly think that's fine and very healthy. I don't see this as treating models as sex robots. It's the service we offer. If you go there, pay for my services, treat me with respect, it's all good. Actually it's way better than wackos like OP who like to create a bunch of drama around it.

I also don't think he meant he won't tip models for their time, the way I read it he says if it's just for chat he'd rather go to a pub where you can chat without tipping to pretty much anyone.

It all seems reasonable to me.

Thank you, yes. This is all I meant to say.
Furthermore, if you are a model, I was saying that there is no need to engage with me in any way on this forum. If I want to interact with models from this forum, I'm pretty sure I can find the sites you are working on and pay you for your time.

My other request was if I could stay to talk to other members occasionally, but I will withdraw that and just go back to lurking

 

[Vixxen81]

Thank you, yes. This is all I meant to say.
Furthermore, if you are a model, I was saying that there is no need to engage with me in any way on this forum. If I want to interact with models from this forum, I'm pretty sure I can find the sites you are working on and pay you for your time.

My other request was if I could stay to talk to other members occasionally, but I will withdraw that and just go back to lurking

Nah lurking is boring.

 

[Geezer]

Nah lurking is boring.

Yeah, but if I stay I am just gonna eat up your time in chasing me away again
It's cool, doubt I had much to contribute anyway.