Help...I think I've been scammed by a model

[gollum678]

Hi girls

Hoping someone can give me some advice...I think I may have been scammed by an mfc girl. Maybe I was naive...but I feel pretty awful. Very shortly after meeting one of the models on mfc I let it be known that I liked her very much...she responded and encouraged me...we exchanged phone numbers and were soon WhatsApping and occasionally Skyping. I would write her poetry and email her stuff too...I really fell for this girl. She would tell me how she liked me..called me her baby and started saying she loved me. I tipped her lots and took her True Private often. I spent hours and hours in her room.

She would also tell me how hard it was to make a living on mfc...and how she was struggling to pay her rent etc. I offered to help her out (note she didn't specifically ask me for money but looking back I can see how she manipulated my emotions) and she was quick to give me her Payoneer account details...so I started sending her money regularly. I also started sending her gifts and flowers etc., etc. We talked about being together and meeting up...but the meeting date kept getting pushed back and back. Looking back there were other signs I suppose. She would never discuss her emotions or plans for the future in any great depth. She would sometimes just ignore my messages even though she was online on WhatsApp for ages...probably dealing with other guys. Basically the way she was behaving did not match up with the things she was saying to me...she wasn't acting like someone who really liked me a lot. To cut a long story short we had a bit of a row in pm one night...she told me to fuck off, banned me and hasn't talked to me since...OUCH!!! That was 4 weeks ago now. She just ignores any messages or emails I send her.

So...like I said...yes maybe I was being naive...I spent close to $10,000 on this girl. I would just like other models opinion on this sort of behaviour. Is it common? Is it condoned? It taints the reputation of all models doesn't it? Should I try to warn other guys of this model?

I have certainly learnt a harsh lesson I suppose...and a very painful one!

Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[krukstyle]

Hi girls

Hoping someone can give me some advice...I think I may have been scammed by an mfc girl. Maybe I was naive...but I feel pretty awful. Very shortly after meeting one of the models on mfc I let it be known that I liked her very much...she responded and encouraged me...we exchanged phone numbers and were soon WhatsApping and occasionally Skyping. I would write her poetry and email her stuff too...I really fell for this girl. She would tell me how she liked me..called me her baby and started saying she loved me. I tipped her lots and took her True Private often. I spent hours and hours in her room.

She would also tell me how hard it was to make a living on mfc...and how she was struggling to pay her rent etc. I offered to help her out (note she didn't specifically ask me for money but looking back I can see how she manipulated my emotions) and she was quick to give me her Payoneer account details...so I started sending her money regularly. I also started sending her gifts and flowers etc., etc. We talked about being together and meeting up...but the meeting date kept getting pushed back and back. Looking back there were other signs I suppose. She would never discuss her emotions or plans for the future in any great depth. She would sometimes just ignore my messages even though she was online on WhatsApp for ages...probably dealing with other guys. Basically the way she was behaving did not match up with the things she was saying to me...she wasn't acting like someone who really liked me a lot. To cut a long story short we had a bit of a row in pm one night...she told me to fuck off, banned me and hasn't talked to me since...OUCH!!! That was 4 weeks ago now. She just ignores any messages or emails I send her.

So...like I said...yes maybe I was being naive...I spent close to $10,000 on this girl. I would just like other models opinion on this sort of behaviour. Is it common? Is it condoned? It taints the reputation of all models doesn't it? Should I try to warn other guys of this model?

I have certainly learnt a harsh lesson I suppose...and a very painful one!

Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

Obviously you're in a tough spot--so I'm sorry to hear about your predicament. I'm not really sure you werescammed--though it seems like you were certainly manipulated emotionally.

First and foremost, MFC is not a dating site--or an escort site. I think life would a lot easier for a lot of people if this were better understood.

You nailed it on the head though, when you said you were being naive. If you're sending a whole ton of money to someone you don't really know because you are expecting to meet or "be together"--this should scream that something is most likely amiss. Now if you were just sending some loot because you genuinely wanted to help and expected nothing in return, that would be fine--hey, whatever floats your boat. I'm not saying what was implied/suggested by this girl is completely impossible--but now that you look back... doesn't it seem kind of totally shady? Obviously when emotions are involved in a situation--and you're involved on a day to day basis--it's easy to get caught up and deluded, but I think if you read your post back, you'll find that the entire situation just sounds super sketchy.

All I can really suggest is that you are best off just taking this as a lesson (I know it's a REALLY hard lesson) and moving on and trying to be safer/smarter in the future... I really don't see what other positive effects are going to occur from you pursuing this further.

 

[gollum678]

Yeah....thanks for the response kruk...and thanks for understanding.

I was pretty vulnerable having recently come out of a long term relationship. Still interested in what other models think of this. I'ts a pretty callous thing to do in my opinion but she may well have thought it was just business and had zero respect for me as a person. I would have been happy to keep taking her private and tipping from time-to-time...she really didn't have to escalate it like that. Well respect cuts both ways I suppose...models can't expect to be respected if they don't respect the guys who support them. I know some of the guys on mfc treat you badly...but I have met plenty of nice guys too...and I consider myself one of them.

She is very good at this...came across as so genuine at first...she must plan and practice this sort of behavior....but I did start to get suspicious once she had got me into "maintenance mode". She started to lose interest a bit...you know...didn't comment poems or emails I sent her...had to ask her if she got the flowers I sent...didn't thank me when I put money in her account...that sort of thing. That is one thing that caused the argument...I was starting to force the issue and get a bit mote commitment out of her.

Easy to get caught up and deluded indeed. I just didn't want to believe it was all a horrible lie! The saying "love is blind" has a lot of truth in it! I was just thinking maybe I could help stop this happening to other vulnerable guys. No one really deserves to be manipulated and exploited like this. Although I'm sure some of you will think it's my own stupid fault.

 

[SinSeraTea]

First, I'm very sorry that you've had this experience. But you're wiser now and you paid for the experience.

A camgirl can only play you as far as you let yourself and your bank account get played. You should have been looking around at other camgirls I think and you got played by your own brain. By thinking that you'd given so much money to this girl that you couldn't stop or the thing you wanted wouldn't happen... when it wasn't going to happen. Our brains do this to us all the time with lots of things. You didn't want to have wasted your money so you kept throwing money at her trying to make it not a waste. I'm sorry that was the case.

Some guys actually pay for and enjoy the humiliation and disrespect thing. That's what they're there for. There wouldn't be girls doing it if it weren't profitable for them.

I *wish* being sweet and kind and made of sunshine and sparkles was as profitable as giving guys the runaround but who am I to judge anyone else's sexuality or what gets their rocks off?

Does the camgirl interface actually make you happy? Well. Disregarding this experience. Could you go and look around for some other models that you might like? I suggest finding a few so that you don't ever have anyone capitalizing on all your time and energy.

This all said, really really really get the idea out of your head that you're going to meet up with a girl from mfc. Most of the girls you would enjoy meeting do NOT want to see you in person, or will explain exactly how much you have to spend and what you have to do to meet them.

 

[gollum678]

Thanks for the reply Sera.

I understand some guys get off on humiliation and disrespect...that's fine. It would obviously have been different too if we were both involved in a fantasy game and both understood the rules. That would also be fine. I am not judging anyone's sexuality. She could have told me she was happy to chat offline, send me pics etc...maybe for a monthly fee like some girls do...again that would have been fine. I would have known exactly where I stood. But she deliberately manipulated, deceived and lied to me. I just found the whole thing totally dehumanizing and felt completely exploited. And that is not fine.

I have visited and had fun with other girls...I am always friendly and treat them with respect...is it so much to ask to be treated the same way?

 

[Jessi]

Yes everyone agrees this is wrong and totally lame. No its not condoned behaviour.

Like someone else said, if you go to a cam site expecting anything other than online fun/fantasy, you're going to be disappointed. Do a bit of searching, its not the first time someone has come here looking for a circle jerk after being ripped off.

Sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately theres nothing to be done other that being careful and having realistic expectations going forward.

 

[KamikaziKitty]

I have a regular who is quite a bit like you only with the caveat that I am very upfront with the fact that I will never meet anyone through MFC outside of an expo event. I do often vent financial frustrations with him but it was also cleared upfront that I am just venting to someone I trust to vent to and it is not me asking for money.

Your situation sucks and I think Sera hit the nail on the head in her reply. Maybe do something like pick three favorite models to tip/take pvt/spoil, whatever makes YOU happy. If a model wants to vent, feel free to commiserate, share stories similar, throw some cash her way WITHOUT expecting a deep commitment in return. You are a smart guy, that is pretty apparent. Use this as a learning experience and grow from it. That's about all you can do.

I do suggest just leaving her alone. No more emails, poems, anything of the sort. Leave her be and replace her with models that are more upfront with you about how they run things and what they will/will not do. You stated in your first post that there were signs you chose to ignore, next time trust your intuition. It's not just for the womenfolk

And as a side note, I'm sorry you had a bad breakup in real life. That never feels good and I hope you're life and attitude are picking up from such a crap moment.

 

[gollum678]

Thanks Jessi

What on earth is a circle jerk???

I would just like to add that I had certainly visited plenty of other models before...and none of them ever tried this caper. And I never visited mfc expecting to "meet the girl of my dreams"...I just wanted fun and a bit of company. I guess I was a bit too open and just happened to fall in love with his girl...there is no explaining how these things work...love is love...it is it's own mystery.

 

[gollum678]

Thank you so much Kitty.

Wise and kind words very much appreciated...I'll take your advice I think and start searching for some friendly, fun, open girls who will respect me and have some fun with me. And I won't get burnt again

 

[gollum678]

One thing I didn't mention is was that this girl was from Romania but was doing well enough from mfc to have moved to another country in Europe. Now I didn't want to believe all the crap you hear about Romanian girls...but I am starting to wonder? Do they tend to be more dodgy than girls from other countries? I have chatted to another couple of Romanian girls since and within the first hour one had complained about not being able to pay her rent and said that her father was in hospital because he had been in a car crash...and the other said her best friend had recently died....wtf??? I don't know what to believe?!?

Any comments? Any Romanian models on here? Am I being paranoid :roll: I guess you get good and bad people in all walks of life hey?

 

[AllisonWilder]

One thing I didn't mention is was that this girl was from Romania but was doing well enough from mfc to have moved to another country in Europe. Now I didn't want to believe all the crap you hear about Romanian girls...but I am starting to wonder? Do they tend to be more dodgy than girls from other countries? I have chatted to another couple of Romanian girls since and within the first hour one had complained about not being able to pay her rent and said that her father was in hospital because he had been in a car crash...and the other said her best friend had recently died....wtf??? I don't know what to believe?!?

Any comments? Any Romanian models on here? Am I being paranoid :roll: I guess you get good and bad people in all walks of life hey?

Yes, it seems to happen a lot to members visiting Romanian girls, but it happens just as often to guys visiting girls from other countries, too. It's not exclusive to just Romanian models, that's for sure. Your best bet going forward is just to keep your eyes open for red flags. If you go into someones room and become a trusted regular and friend and then the model confides her troubles to you, I'd be inclined to believe them. If within the first conversation someone is telling you their sad story, I'd be hitting 'next model' pretty quickly. Anyone can be shady, just use your common sense.

 

[gollum678]

Thanks Alison

I appreciate all the feedback. I was a trusted regular! This "relationship" lasted 12 months before it imploded. We chatted everyday...even on the weekends. I shared loads of personal stuff with her. She really became a big part of my life...then...nothing...just a huge hole! Maybe I was becoming too demanding, too difficult to "manage"...or maybe she started seeing me as a potential threat to her fun-loving, sweet girl image? I don't know...it's just hard to let go.

Thanks all

 

[IsabellaSnow]

This thing sadly happens all the time. Sometimes it's a model deliberately pushing the fantasy element and not being clear that there is a divide between real and fantasy. Sometimes it's the model just being nice and friendly and often genuinely caring about the member, but the member then getting over attached and interested and imagining things that aren't there. Imagining conversations on a more romantic level than they are.

From what it sounds like, it sounds like it was a case of her deliberately pushing the fantasy element, and yes, she did it for money. I personally don't like it as a way of camming and I don't think it's cool to play with people's emotions. But.... A lot of guys want to have the fantasy of having a girl pretend she genuinely likes him and is attracted to him and likes to read his probably shitty poetry (no offence to you, statistically it's usually bad), of course the girl doesn't actually feel that way, she's a camgirl, she's not on a dating site, she's there to make money. Some men don't understand that it's not a dating site though and take it to heart a lot more. In fact, many guys don't understand it's a dating site. They waste not only their money, but their time on models who will never give them what they're chasing but will give them the illusion that they might get it.
Sometimes models and members do end up dating, but it is rare, especially for the member. Unless you've known the model for ages as friends, chances are it's too good to be true.

With Romanian models.... well, I know loads of amazing Romanian models who'd never scam anyone. There are a lot of Romanian models out there, more than anywhere else I think, so yes, statistically it's more likely there'll be more Romanian scammers out there. I think there are elements with different attitudes towards camming, it's often more of a career/job prospect, there are many more studios and it is a poorer country. So maybe, I don't know, I do know that I only very occasionally hear of scamming models from places other than Romania, I'm not sure if this is because dudes like to cry about it louder or maybe they're whining about the same models and there are just a couple of them, I really don't know. Try not to judge an entire country of women from a few individuals, and try not to judge all camgirls from those individuals. There will always be those who'll abuse the system. Camgirls aren't all pals who meet up and hang out, we have nothing to do with each other's work. Some of us become friends through camming or vaguely communicate, but we still have nothing to do with each other's camming techniques.

What happened was completely understandable on your part, I'm not going to lie to you and coat the pill, you were blinded, you were deluding yourself and really your brain clearly went walkabouts. Not saying you're a stupid person, this could happen to anyone, everyone has moments when their emotions take control over their brain, but yeah, you were being pretty stupid in this case. This isn't the worst situation I've ever heard of, you seem to understand your mistake and it sounds like you're single so you're not being a complete idiot.

The camworld in ways offers men everything they want right there, except for real love, sex and communication. When guys come to the camworld with a bit of a deluded attitude, especially from the real world, they're used to having chances with women they talk to. They're not used to women wanting money from them and it being nothing to do with them as a person. So they come to this world where all these women are there on a plate for them, they get to choose who they speak to, they find the women they find particularly appealing, they get to hang out with her, communicate with her, and amazingly she doesn't reject them, she's interested and chatty. She takes her clothes off and does sexy things. She doesn't say no. But then you have to tip her, but when she do she thanks you and gets excited and happy and gives you more attention. It's so easy, no games, all you have to do is send tokens. At this point many members (especially new members) are already deluding themselves wishfully thinking, most models will set the member straight, but sometimes you'll get models like this model who won't. They'll lead the member on, suddenly the chance of it being real means all other models (who are honest) come second to her, are often forgotten, he'll throw as much money as he can her way, constantly hoping she's for real. The member realises after a while that the model still isn't meeting him and will start getting more pushy, he'll start feeling entitled to her time and attention, just like she'll feel entitled to his money. He eventually fights back, she gets rid of him. She's probably found another guy by this point. Possibly a few. Sure it's short lived and chances are she won't have long standing members, but she will get far more of their money than they'd ever give her otherwise. There are enough newbie members coming to mfc with the same head in the clouds headset that once the members she has start causing trouble she needs to get rid of them instantly.

The world unfortunately is not so good. There is not a world where men can go somewhere, pick a beautiful woman out of plenty, have her do whatever he wants for money, and that she'll start loving him and it be nothing to do with money (even though he's still paying her). Yes it does happen for some members and models, but for a member it's ridiculously unlikely, especially if you're hoping for it.

 

[SadieSixx]

This is why it is so important for models to be clear in their intentions. When a model plays these head games and leads members on, it hurts everyone. Sorry she dicked you like this.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

This is why it is so important for models to be clear in their intentions. When a model plays these head games and leads members on, it hurts everyone. Sorry she dicked you like this.

Unfortunately if she was from a studio, she might have been forced to say those things.

 

[Kittycatpurr]

I do find it really disheartening that this kind of thing goes on as it leaves such a bad taste in the mouth. I'm sorry that you were led up the garden path for whatever reason she had for doing it and that you got hurt and ripped off. It does illustrate why guys have to be very clear in their own minds that MFC is a camsite and all the models are there for work, to entertain their audience but not for other purposes. I've lost count of the amount of guys who seem to think that it's a dating site or haven't worked out how to google search escort agencies who have ended up in my room and I've had to put them straight on both counts. If all the men who visited MFC appreciated it purely for what it is, an adult entertainment site, with cyber space between the viewer and the performer, and didn't have any expectations of anything further than chat, nudity, fun and online friendship if you get on really well with someone (I and my boyfriend are good friends with my best regular as I have known him for three years now and we get on like a house on fire, he has always been respectful of my boundaries and has never had any illusions about the site and what is on offer), then stories such as yours wouldn't exist. Unfortunately there are women who tap into men's need/desire for more and twist it to their advantage which is to my mind very calculating and cruel but if the desire wasn't there then they wouldn't be able to manipulate in such a way.

I think you need to take this as lesson learned, unfortunately the very hard way, and if during the course of your further adventures in camming you come across anyone else who seems to be offering you more than entertainment and friendship, steer well clear of them. There are so many girls who do this job with the right intentions, try not to let it taint your view of all of us.

 

[KristinaReapsMe]

This is why it is so important for models to be clear in their intentions. When a model plays these head games and leads members on, it hurts everyone. Sorry she dicked you like this.

Unfortunately if she was from a studio, she might have been forced to say those things.

That thought crossed the back of my mind when I read this post. From what I'm getting through her actions though, she seems independent. Sorry she put you through that. I hope this doesn't poison your mind against the webcam community in general. Just thinking about doing that to a fellow human being just makes me sick.

Keep your chin up, sweetheart. We're not all like that, I promise.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

The problem with saying MFC is not a dating site or escort site, is that many girls DO escort on MFC. Many girls have fallen in love with their members. I know one girl who uses the members for her B/G videos. So I get why so many guys think MFC is a dating site, because so many girls are treating it like it is.

 

[KristinaReapsMe]

The problem with saying MFC is not a dating site or escort site, is that many girls DO escort on MFC. Many girls have fallen in love with their members. I know one girl who uses the members for her B/G videos. So I get why so many guys think MFC is a dating site, because so many girls are treating it like it is.

Really???? Wow. The more you know, I guess.

 

[gollum678]

Thanks so much again one and all.

She was definitely independent. She had her own flat...I had her address to which I sent gifts and flowers...and yes...she did get them and showed me them on cam. Sge even sent me cards a time or two with loving words in. I hear whet you are saying...I was originally only looking for a bit of fun and someone to chat to. And yes...I have heard of of at least a couple of models who have ended up with guys they met on their site. So...I don't know...guess I need to let it go. Still think it is a pretty shitty way to treat somebody.

Love to all you good people...I have hope I will find some girls I can trust xxx

 

[IsabellaSnow]

The problem with saying MFC is not a dating site or escort site, is that many girls DO escort on MFC. Many girls have fallen in love with their members. I know one girl who uses the members for her B/G videos. So I get why so many guys think MFC is a dating site, because so many girls are treating it like it is.

Really???? Wow. The more you know, I guess.

Megan's right, it's difficult for members to understand the difference. One of the differences is that as a model ending up dating a member isn't statistically that unlikely, but as a member, well, you're competing with thousands of members, and chances are, if you want to meet up with/date the model it'll never end up happening. Members that models end up dating tend to be ones who don't try and date her.

Lots of members hear these success stories and get drawn in by models. Sometimes the model isn't doing it for money and does genuinely like the member, but it's more for the time and attention he gives her rather than a serious interest in dating him.

There are all sorts of aspects of myfreecams that cleverly draws members into the illusion that they might have a chance with the girls. Even with members who are just hoping for a chance to meet some of the girls without it being sexual, as there are date raffles etc and models do sometimes consider meeting members the hope is there.

Though I think there are models on myfreecams who have taken members up on escorting offers, I still think it's a minority and is usually models being tempted by the one off money rather than an active career in the business. I could be wrong, but the way members have approached me about it and claimed they've met girls, it seems to be they're not opposed to it now and then. I'm sure some do use myfreecams to more actively meet up/have sex with with members for money, but it's not something I've knowingly encountered or heard of. So though it does happen, it does seem to be done "on the sly".

 

[PlayboyMegan]

The problem with saying MFC is not a dating site or escort site, is that many girls DO escort on MFC. Many girls have fallen in love with their members. I know one girl who uses the members for her B/G videos. So I get why so many guys think MFC is a dating site, because so many girls are treating it like it is.

Really???? Wow. The more you know, I guess.

Though I think there are models on myfreecams who have taken members up on escorting offers, I still think it's a minority and is usually models being tempted by the one off money rather than an active career in the business. .

IMO date raffles are escorting and about 50% of models do those.

 

[KristinaReapsMe]

The problem with saying MFC is not a dating site or escort site, is that many girls DO escort on MFC. Many girls have fallen in love with their members. I know one girl who uses the members for her B/G videos. So I get why so many guys think MFC is a dating site, because so many girls are treating it like it is.

Really???? Wow. The more you know, I guess.

Though I think there are models on myfreecams who have taken members up on escorting offers, I still think it's a minority and is usually models being tempted by the one off money rather than an active career in the business. .

IMO date raffles are escorting and about 50% of models do those.

Even if there is no sexual activity during the date? I'm brand new to this type of stuff so I have no clue what goes on. I'm just curious to know.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

The problem with saying MFC is not a dating site or escort site, is that many girls DO escort on MFC. Many girls have fallen in love with their members. I know one girl who uses the members for her B/G videos. So I get why so many guys think MFC is a dating site, because so many girls are treating it like it is.

Really???? Wow. The more you know, I guess.

Though I think there are models on myfreecams who have taken members up on escorting offers, I still think it's a minority and is usually models being tempted by the one off money rather than an active career in the business. .

IMO date raffles are escorting and about 50% of models do those.

Even if there is no sexual activity during the date? I'm brand new to this type of stuff so I have no clue what goes on. I'm just curious to know.

Yes, an escort does not have to provide sexual services. There are guys who hire escorts just to look good on their arm for the night or for company. You escort someone around on a date for money, could be bowling, could be dinner. Either way, you are still "escorting" them, making you an escort.
I think many models do not like to use that term because there is a negative connotation attached to it. But IMO by thinking that way is another form of slut-shaming. You're saying, "escorting is bad, and even though I'm doing it, I'm going to call it something different."

 

[KristinaReapsMe]

Ah...ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Nice to meet you, by the way.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Ah...ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Nice to meet you, by the way.

You too! Welcome to the forums!

 

[gollum678]

Well...I have met another girl who I like. Yes she is Romanian :-D . But she seems up front about everything. We had a great chat and some fun in Skype...and she has told me flat out what she charges for phone number etc. So now I have someone to chat to, have some fun with...and I know exactly where I stand. That's how it should be!

Life goes on _/|\_

 

[Just Me]

Well...I have met another girl who I like. Yes she is Romanian :-D . But she seems up front about everything. We had a great chat and some fun in Skype...and she has told me flat out what she charges for phone number etc. So now I have someone to chat to, have some fun with...and I know exactly where I stand. That's how it should be!

Life goes on _/|\_

It is good that you can recover quickly and know what you are in for this time. BUT I will warn you to be careful still. Some peoples personalities let them be drawn in too easily to the "romance or cupid scams." If you are tipping or sending money you have a financial relationship and not an emotional one. If they are truly wanting to get involved in a relationship with you they will let you know and they will follow through with it. You will not have to send anything to get them to communicate with you.

 

[gollum678]

Well...not sure about the "recovered"...but there is a hole in me and I suppose I am sort of filling it...older and wiser!

Another thing...I think most of the girls who have commented on this post are from the US/Canada...or at least Westerners...and so see things with Western eyes. Conditions and wages in Romania and eastern Europe are pretty poor...I think the average wage in Romania is around 100 euro a MONTH!!! So of course this leads to plenty of crime, scamming etc. But I'm sure there is a proportion of girls who would be happy to form an honest relationship as a way to a better life and moving to a better country with a higher standard of living. Love doesn't have to be involved. As long as things are all out in the open in and both parties know what is going on I don't have an issue with this. Could be a win-win no?

Thanks again for the feedback and support...good to see people's different perspectives.

 

[Gen]

But I'm sure there is a proportion of girls who would be happy to form an honest relationship as a way to a better life and moving to a better country with a higher standard of living. Love doesn't have to be involved. As long as things are all out in the open in and both parties know what is going on I don't have an issue with this. Could be a win-win no?

If this is what you're looking for, why not go to a dating site that links women from that part of the world with guys from your part of the world?

It's like the old saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me -- the first time, okay that's unfortunate. But if you go specifically to camgirls looking for marriage (or whatever it is you're looking for), don't be surprised when you come up empty handed and feel scammed when girls don't reciprocate what you want.