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@tekwolf Also I think using tip transfer is not good idea for the room promoting. I don't know how much accounts between must be. But cb has account linking - logins from the same PC are linked as example (maybe in some other situations accounts are linked too). Accounts with some unusual activity can receive black marks.
 
About year ago problem was much bigger, horde of fake users and it worked: a lot of low quality rooms was on the all first places.
Right now situation is much better, because CB added some anti bot algorithms. A lot bots still exist but it does not promote low quality rooms - good and average only.
Most of old botnets was owned by Romania/exUSSR owners (I know it because it was advertised on many Russian speaking webmaster forums). Current botnets owned by Spanish webmasters (as I think, because almost all promoted rooms are from the Spain). This new botnet is unseen by antibot or these rooms exist in antibot whitelist. About white and black list of anti bot read below. I don't want to be rude, but @Mila_ also promoted by this bot net. I don't know she knows about it or not (I think not, maybe bot net uses some rooms for "washing" the fake members). For her situation is good, for the others it does not. This situation is bad for almost all models from the first page, because of unfair market and because position and tips don't depend of what they do on cam.

About white and black lists.
White list.
Some rooms exist in white list - room can have a lot of guests and member right after from the start (2-3K right after start and 200-300 registered used in 1-5 minutes). And these rooms don't receive any penalties. But if someone want to try doing this: I don't recommend - you will be in black list instantly.

Black list or black mark (I don't know how to correct call it).
If some model received a lot of fake users it receives a black mark (I think black marks have a different levels). After receiving this model can not receive more users than specified amount. And this amount depends on online time. Some example: on 30 minutes not more than 500 users, on 1 hour not more than 1000 users, on 2 hours 2000, etc. Because a different type of black marks are exist, each model may have a different limits. Also I think rooms with the new tag in white list by default.

How it works and how to see that some black mark are exist:
Usually online grows slowly and drop only on disconnects or cb lags. But when limits are enabled - online slow up and quickly drops to some level. As example users can slow up from 1500 to 1700 in 5 minutes and drops down in one second to 1500, after that slow up to 1750 in 5 minutes and drop down in one second to 1550 and again and again.
I don't know algorithm, how it choose what member to disconnect from the room, but if room full of club members - they reconnect to the room too often.
Some one can think - yes this is good. But everybody can give a black mark to any room - just put a lot of stupid bots detected by antibot system like a bots to this room. And this used now too often for room denote on the main page.
And yes this is 100% true. I helped a few models with OBS setup and with some tech consultations and they asks me if they have some problems. They have the same situation: one day they receive a lot of guests (500-1500 viewers) in the first 5-10 minutes for 10-40 minutes and after that these viewers a gone. And on the next day they receive a black mark (dropping members counter in one second each few minutes). And girls are too scared to write to cb support because of tons of bans in the 2018 year.

So situation at CB right now that the someone can do anything (I don't know - they have some close relations with cb tech support, or just find some bug in the system). But everybody else depends on bad will some 3-d party agencies.

P.S. I didn't want to wrote about black marks, because it can be dangerous for everyone. But right now this is used on regular basis for denote popular rooms.
P.P.S. Sorry for my English and some errors if it exists, it does not my primary language. I've tried to write understandable :)

I am NOT promoted by any bot system. Do not spread lies about me or use my name to give credibility to your conspiracy theories. Chaturbate's placement algorithm DOES NOT count anonymous viewers, only registered users, and it actually gives more weight to users according to how many tokens they hold in their accounts. This is why it is impossible to "bot your way" to the top. This has been this way for at least 2 years now and if you say this about Spain because of my location, I have Spain geoblocked, so no, there are no Spanish Hacker Overlords botting spanish models up. Believe it or not, I get to #1 by sheer brute force, by how many hours I spend online and the type of show I put on.

The crazy "anon" numbers like I already explained on this thread come from Chaturbate's promo tools being used by thousands of webmasters for their affiliate programs. The tools include banners for top 10 cams, top 3 cams, top 2 cams and pop up for #1 cam. When a webmaster uses these tools he displays these rooms for all their viewers. Currently Pornhub is one of CB's biggest affiliate and they are using the pop-up tool so they promote the #1 cam, this is why the #1 cam has 15k+ anonymous users watching, they come from PH's pop up among others.

The "black marks" are in your head. The algorithm does have a viewership cap per time spent online because they don't want for a model whose entirely clothed to hog the top spots, they want to advertise cams with naked girls or semi naked girls, and most camgirls will not get naked for the first 2 hours. So that's what the cap is about.
 
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Interesting. Things like this are still advertised in Russian language camgirl forums, one of these is even run by a big studio and one studio guy says they have effective ways to promote girls on chaturbate, that can't be discussed in public.

Since I have a lot of free time right now but cannot cam as often as I should (pregnant :) ), I spent some time to look at the front page and indeed I noticed two "unusual" rooms on the front page. Rooms you wouldn't normally expect to be on the front page. And indeed I'm quite sure they are boosted by bot users (light blue and gray users). Why am I sure? In both rooms the users names of these "users" are the same, they flood the room within minutes and just "hang" in the rooms, even during privates and even when cam is off and the broadcaster is even logged out (!!!), they stay in the room. Normal behaviour is during a private and of course when cam is off and broadcaster logged out, that many light blue and gray users leave the room. Nothing more to see for them, but these stay.
 
@Mila_ I said that bots exist in your room too. I did not say that you are promoted by it. And I don't say that you did it (I wrote it my post). Your room is a good example how to work and how to do a good show with good conversation with the members..

As example, if cb antibot will start to detect a new fake members your room can be in danger.

That's why situation with bots right now is not good! Some 3d party uses botnets it for promoting and denoting. And room owner can't do anything.
 
https://cam-modeling.com/
https://liveshow.ru/
if someone wants to go through these using Google translate. Some of it is openly discussed, some is not. From time to time girls complains that their bots were kicked out of their room and how they lose their position (and money) then. So cb has some bot detection but some will slip through it. It's sad to admit, since I'm originally Eastern European too but anything "black hat" can be found in forums from there. And mostly they don't consider it cheating, just evening the odds, since it's common belief the camsites discriminate Eastern European girls for "some" reason (conspiracies are really popular there).
 
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i think algoritm cb to order preview in 1° page is....
number strong violet nick
number violet nick
number strong blue nick
number blue nick
(new account i think stay in 1° page for 7 days)
i think CB put in 1° page new account to help and change models...
but strange sometimes in 1° page are girl not new and with only 150 viewers
very few color nick.... and stay in good position.... i no understand
 
https://cam-modeling.com/
https://liveshow.ru/
if someone wants to go through these using Google translate. Some of it is openly discussed, some is not. From time to time girls complains that their bots were kicked out of their room and how they lose their position (and money) then. So cb has some bot detection but some will slip through it. It's sad to admit, since I'm originally Eastern European too but anything "black hat" can be found in forums from there. And mostly they don't consider it cheating, just evening the odds, since it's common belief the camsites discriminate Eastern European girls for "some" reason (conspiracies are really popular there).
This is ridiculous... plenty of EE girls on the tip top of CB contest consistently. Like HollyExtra. And they don’t use bots or any other fraudulent stuff
 
Of course there are fantastic girls from EE, who totally deserve to be there. Doesn't change that there are cheats, I wish it was different. There could be forums in other languages, probably English, but I only know these.

Edit: Or did you mean the feeling of being discriminated? Totally inside the head of way too many girls and studios from there, so in their minds it's completely fair to bend the rules or just cheat. EE is full of conspiracy believers. Sad but it's the way it is. That bots get kicked is considered unfair and girls complain about it.
 
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Edit: Or did you mean the feeling of being discriminated? Totally inside the head of way too many girls and studios from there, so in their minds it's completely fair to bend the rules or just cheat. EE is full of conspiracy believers. Sad but it's the way it is. That bots get kicked is considered unfair and girls complain about it.

Yes yes this is what I meant, exactly, and I also know EE models who make up the weirdest conspiracies to justify their mean behavior.
 
I never cammed on CB, but used to on MFC. Within a month after I started, there were routinely about 10-15 (usually) guest accounts that always appeared the second I logged in and stayed until I logged out. Over time this number increased, not to a huge number, but definitely 30+when I was at my peak. There were also some basic accounts (free accounts there) that would also show up the second I logged in and would stay no matter what. Bear in mind that I was non-nude the vast majority of the time, so having this instant traffic was always really weird.

Tbh, this mostly seems like bots run by others, not necessarily the model, especially if it's only 10-15. Granted on MFC, ones placement is not based on how many are in your chatroom, but with any public show platform, there are going to be a number of accounts that are running recordings in as many model rooms as they possibly can. On SM, which is private based, I never have bots or "potential members" watching my stream like a hawk for hours on end like they do on MFC.


As for my stance on the matter...I honestly don't care if someone uses bots to boost their traffic, if that works for you, you do you. I personally have never done it because I would rather have real traffic rather than fake traffic. On a public based site, non-interactive traffic was often a detriment for me because often enough, a member would tip a good chunk of the countdown and then feel discouraged because 20 other members won't even bother to talk, never-mind tip.


Anyway, maybe the model you visit is using a small boost of bot traffic, but there's a very good chance that she's not.
 
In the two cases of models I saw on cb it is 100% certain that they use bots and they are aware of it. They banned users at once who said that there are hundreds of fake users in the room. In one case the bots join the room when cam goes on. She gets up to 500 viewers in some minutes, it's faster than every top performer of cb like @Mila_ . The other waits for about thirty minutes and then the bots come and boost her viewer number from 50 to over 1,000 within minutes. And these are NOT anonymous viewers, they are registered cb users, light blue (users with tokens) and gray users and several hundreds of them. That's enough to put every girl on the front page immediately and in both cases they are 100% the same "users". I copied the list and it's a 100% match in these two rooms. How likely is it that these hundreds of users gather somewhere and arrange that they all join the same room at the same time?
I'm hesistant to give out the names of these two girls in public.
On mfc this would not have the same affect, assuming most users will not change the default ranking by camscore.
 
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In the two cases of models I saw on cb it is 100% certain that they use bots and they are aware of it. They banned users at once who said that there are hundreds of fake users in the room. In one case the bots join the room when cam goes on. She gets up to 500 viewers in some minutes, it's faster than every top performer of cb like @Mila_ . The other waits for about thirty minutes and then the bots come and boost her viewer number from 50 to over 1,000 within minutes. And these are NOT anonymous viewers, they are registered cb users, light blue (users with tokens) and gray users and several hundreds of them. That's enough to put every girl on the front page immediately and in both cases they are 100% the same "users". I copied the list and it's a 100% match in these two rooms. How likely is it that these hundreds of users gather somewhere and arrange that they all join the same room at the same time?
I'm hesistant to give out the names of these two girls in public.
On mfc this would not have the same affect, assuming most users will not change the default ranking by camscore.
Oh but there's more cheating on MFC with the camscore system.. both independent models and studio models tip themselves to raise camscore and Miss MFC rank... I thought CB was free from these things but looks like for every system there are 10 ways to cheat them.
 
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Sorry for the DP but I think I figured out the "black mark" thing yesterday. There are no white marks or black marks, what happens is the time cap the site puts on models. You need to understand 2 things:

1) If you are logged in to CB and you get a CB pop-up you will show up as a registered user watching. What I mean by this is the login has an expiration time, I am not sure how long it is but let's assume it's 10 hours. So you logged in to CB in the morning then closed it, went about your day, about 2 pm you visit Pornhub and you get a CB popunder. You are still logged in from your visit that morning so you will show up in her room with your username even when you didn't enter the site yourself. You will count as a registered user. Same with whitelabels.

2) CB pays a lot of money to their affiliates for the traffic and exposure, they pay exactly 20% lifetime revshare. So they want their site to look as busy and as sexy as possible. They have many different promo tools plus the whitelabels. Each one handles a different level of traffic and they compound.

Now CB picks which models they display on their promo tools. They don't want models who are idle to show up at the promo tools or whitelabels because they want the site to look as exciting as possible so they put a 1 hour cap on models for them to show up in any promotional or networking sites. This way if a model logged on real quick to do say.. a raffle drawing, she wont show up there. If she is setting up she wont show up, etc. Only when they've been on for 1 hour do they start showing up, they only show up on white labels first, and they have a 2 hour cap to show up in banners. Every top model gets there somewhat slowly. I guess CB also has a few models who they know start action right away and they like for their banners (mykinkydope, siswet, etc) and maybe they give them some sort of special pass, but its more likely that they don't make exceptions.

Now studios are not relying on Chaturbate promos to build up their viewership. They flood the room with fake registered accounts, hundreds of them, and the site has no way to tell which account is fake and which account is real, so they count them as real accounts, so they shoot up to the first rows. They still have the time cap, they dont show up at the networking sites or promo tools which explains the huge difference in viewership between those models and all the models around them.
 
Makes sense, thanks. And yes, the two rooms I saw and that were seriously "out of place" for the front page and got flooded by this army of bots page looked like studio rooms.
 
@tekwolf Also I think using tip transfer is not good idea for the room promoting. I don't know how much accounts between must be. But cb has account linking - logins from the same PC are linked as example (maybe in some other situations accounts are linked too). Accounts with some unusual activity can receive black marks.
The performer sended it to my performer account so no direct link
 
Oh, a new thread about bots...
Yes, right now situation is better, than 2 year ago when bot plague was. But bots are still there.

Right now I know 2 rooms using the same bot net (they are used bots 2 years ago also)
Rooms are :
realtoxxxmaria and spanishcouple_

You can check interception of users right now - both are online
The same users from the start and even room goes to private (almost users are gone exept these bots)

Also a several russian rooms exist too, but usually they don't receive more than 1500 online. but bots helps them to reach the first page quickly
I don't remember all that rooms but one of them was tequilalala
 
Also I wrote a lot of abuses to cb in the room and wrote to the cb support, but I think cb don't care while token flows in these rooms.
 
I've noticed the third girl that you mentioned too. That bot army is used by at least one other model too.

And cb should totally take action. Token flows would still be there, but for broadcasters who worked for it.
 
I can monitor CB for bots in totally automatic mode, but it will be really hard scraping, I don't want to do any harmful action to this site.
Owners have the all statistics needed to detect bot promoted rooms. Instead of this (detecting) they do dynamic hard caps on members online. If more than some amount - random users will be disconnected from the chat. And these limits are totally dynamic updated usually 2 times per hour.
Maybe this is a new placement algorithm and antibot defense, but this feature works only against models that don't cheat. Bots can break these limits.
Maybe blackmark from few posts before is this limiting - I don't know.
 
Some addition. I think the some old bot promotion service is up, because too much rooms that were promoted by bots 1.5-2 years ago again on the first page. All of them were unseen on the top last half of year.
 
I’m seeing all this talk about bots, but at the end of the day, if you’re a consistent, hard-working performer that puts on good shows, then you are wayyy likelier to make more TOKENS and REGULARS (which gives you more TOKENS) than those who use cheap tricks to shoot their way to the top. End of story.
 
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No, this army of bots that I see in use now has a guarantee to put every broadcaster on cb's front page within minutes and let's be honest here, that's a money guarantee. It's a slap in the face for the broadcasters that you just described and do NOT make to where they deserved to be.
 
And bots can help to stick on the first place, where much more money that on the other places

Also bots can help to be on the first page after long private
 
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And right now there is a girl on the front page with just 3,950 followers, no "new" label and I see the exact user names, hundreds of light blue and gray user names there, that I saw in two other rooms.
 
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My point is that quality content is what makes you tokens. Just being on the front page based off fake viewership will only get you so far before users will realize that you’re not “first page streamer” material.

You can be on the front page with thousands of users and not make jack. I know this for a fact.
 
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Someone being on the front page and not getting tipped much is actually a lot more common than you think. I advise everyone to look at the front page and see what type of streamers consistently make the most and how they are similar. Viewership really doesn’t mean much in the long run if you’re not getting the RIGHT audience. Even if it takes longer, and it’s not “fair”, organic growth is what matters.
 
I’m seeing all this talk about bots, but at the end of the day, if you’re a consistent, hard-working performer that puts on good shows, then you are wayyy likelier to make more TOKENS and REGULARS (which gives you more TOKENS) than those who use cheap tricks to shoot their way to the top. End of story.

I don't think anyone is arguing what a model needs to do once people are in the room. This is about initial visibility. Like you said you still have the responsibility to convert anyone in your room into a paying customer however if you're on the frontpage with a quality thumbnail you're going to gain far more pass through traffic. It's about increased opportunity and yes some girls probably do pay for these bots or have others helping them with bots and then squander the opportunity all that traffic brought them because they did nothing with it.

At the same time people don't like an easily gamed system affecting them. This is why the MFC camscore does work because the model has put in work on both ends to get their position on the frontpage.
 
Someone being on the front page and not getting tipped much is actually a lot more common than you think. I advise everyone to look at the front page and see what type of streamers consistently make the most and how they are similar. Viewership really doesn’t mean much in the long run if you’re not getting the RIGHT audience. Even if it takes longer, and it’s not “fair”, organic growth is what matters.

The sites have placement systems in place for a reason, to reward "deserving" broadcasters with increased visbility. It should be hard but not impossible to reach a good position. This bot army bypasses this principle completely.
 
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