Do you ever feel like no matter what you do they make up reasons not to tip you?

[rockin_rod]

... the US isn't making policies in isolation. There's a global trend toward extremely restrictive policies and the removal of women's rights and it's short sighted as well as callous not to consider its effect on our own

I think this trend should be of great concern, and such agendas need to be highlighted and called out so that draft policies are overturned before they gain any credence.

Not sure if the 'misogyny' speech delivered in Parliament by our former PM Julia Gillard made much news around the world at the time (2012), but it was very big news here.
This is just a small part of what she stood up and said:
"I rise to oppose the motion moved by the Leader of the Opposition. And in so doing I say to the Leader of the Opposition I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man.
I will not. And the Government will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man. Not now, not ever. The Leader of the Opposition says that people who hold sexist views and who
are misogynists are not appropriate for high office. Well I hope the Leader of the Opposition has got a piece of paper and he is writing out his resignation. Because if he wants to know what
misogyny looks like in modern Australia, he doesn't need a motion in the House of Representatives, he needs a mirror. That's what he needs."

 

[yummybrownfox]

OK, you talked me into joining!

Joining what? Cam sites as a model?

 

[Ozzie_]

I think this trend should be of great concern, and such agendas need to be highlighted and called out so that draft policies are overturned before they gain any credence.

The world in general has been becoming more conservative for the last decade or so. Very sad IMO.

Not sure if the 'misogyny' speech delivered in Parliament by our former PM Julia Gillard made much news around the world at the time (2012), but it was very big news here.
This is just a small part of what she stood up and said:
"I rise to oppose the motion moved by the Leader of the Opposition. And in so doing I say to the Leader of the Opposition I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man.
I will not. And the Government will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man. Not now, not ever. The Leader of the Opposition says that people who hold sexist views and who
are misogynists are not appropriate for high office. Well I hope the Leader of the Opposition has got a piece of paper and he is writing out his resignation. Because if he wants to know what
misogyny looks like in modern Australia, he doesn't need a motion in the House of Representatives, he needs a mirror. That's what he needs."

Ahh, yes, "the mad monk". A sad time in Australia when he actually became Prime Minister.

 

[Highlander884]

Yeah seems in general around the world we r moving backwards then forwards. I know people say that every decade or so, but it does feel that way.

Best way I can describe it is people who think left and those who think right are drifting further and further apart.

With "woke" being used to describe everything left in a negative light (I don't think most know what that term really means") but then I also feel there r some who also try a bit too hard to be left (some companies that r trying to cash in on what they thinking is popular).

Think it's going to be a while before things look like they'll get better for the world.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I have a memory as a waiter: A Russian family comes over, orders all the items in the menu, their kids go food fighting with omelets. At the end when I ask them if they wanna include the tip, the patriarch of the family in Adidas track suit goes “Not so good my English”, so I then asked him: “It was good enough to order the food and drinks right?” He ended up tipping 20%

 

[Deleted member 70169]

I have a memory as a waiter: A Russian family comes over, orders all the items in the menu, their kids go food fighting with omelets. At the end when I ask them if they wanna include the tip, the patriarch of the family in Adidas track suit goes “Not so good my English”, so I then asked him: “It was good enough to order the food and drinks right?” He ended up tipping 20%

Yes honey, security would not allow them to run away from the restaurant

 

[Vixxen81]

I've read the responses and thank you all for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully. I admit my original response to Artic was a knee jerk reaction. I care about all women and had no idea Australia was pulling this mess too. But, should have seen it coming from a country that bans small breasted women from entering porn careers. I will try to follow the international stuff more closely though we aren't exactly given a wealth of Ametican resources because we have our heads up our own butts about things going on here. Thanks for the insight!

 

[HermesPonyo]

I've read the responses and thank you all for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully. I admit my original response to Artic was a knee jerk reaction. I care about all women and had no idea Australia was pulling this mess too. But, should have seen it coming from a country that bans small breasted women from entering porn careers. I will try to follow the international stuff more closely though we aren't exactly given a wealth of Ametican resources because we have our heads up our own butts about things going on here. Thanks for the insight!

Greetings from France,

When it comes to such sensitives issues, I remember that I have the chance of being a man and living in France. But I won't judge your reactions or any other reactions. I'm impressed by the way you admit your own "fault" (I'm sorry, I don't find a better word). I wish I could be as wise as you are.

To answer to your original point, I think that many other women here tell what the problem is. I'm so sorry, but I think that too many people don't see that your work is an actual job.

I already tell this to some camworkers but to do your job you need many skills : you do your own advertising, your own marketing work (when you decide what to put on your tip menu, what kind of people you'll aim to like your work), you are also you're own artistic director. No, camworker is not a casual job, is a multi-tasking job.
Congratulations for everyone and I hope you'll always find more good user than bad ones.

P.S. : it was very cheesy from me. But, France is famous for the cheese, so, meh !

 

[Lilly_____]

... the US isn't making policies in isolation. There's a global trend toward extremely restrictive policies and the removal of women's rights and it's short sighted as well as callous not to consider its effect on our own

Yes! Not to mention the US sets political "trends" worldwide.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Joining what? Cam sites as a model?

In reply to your suggestion to Vixen of joining the MO section to get free of the wankers. Though for me there's the matter of actually becoming a model first.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Yes! Not to mention the US sets political "trends" worldwide.

It does, it does..

There is no question in my mind that trends such as neoliberal economic policy and "post-democracy" have been strongly promoted by the US. Not merely by the US setting an example, but by deliberate effort. The mind-set seems to be "Fuck the world (and even our own people) as long as we're #1!"

 

[ArcticKitty]

Yeah seems in general around the world we r moving backwards then forwards. I know people say that every decade or so, but it does feel that way.

Best way I can describe it is people who think left and those who think right are drifting further and further apart.

With "woke" being used to describe everything left in a negative light (I don't think most know what that term really means") but then I also feel there r some who also try a bit too hard to be left (some companies that r trying to cash in on what they thinking is popular).

Think it's going to be a while before things look like they'll get better for the world.

"Woke" means being clued up about racial injustice and discrimination. It's telling that alt.righters/white power people use it as a pejorative today.

Regarding left vs. right wing sentiment, I personally see it as more of a polarisation of authoritarian vs. progressive attitudes. It's past simple political differences.

 

[Vixxen81]

"Woke" means being clued up about racial injustice and discrimination. It's telling that alt.righters/white power people use it as a pejorative today.

Regarding left vs. right wing sentiment, I personally see it as more of a polarisation of authoritarian vs. progressive attitudes. It's past simple political differences.

All of these old bible thumping politicians need to get out of office and there's only two ways to do it -- they die or their supporters die. Both would be preferred, of natural causes please. No blood on anyone's hands.

 

[yummybrownfox]

In reply to your suggestion to Vixen of joining the MO section to get free of the wankers. Though for me there's the matter of actually becoming a model first.

Well, that's sort of what I said. I suggested it to her so she can vent freely about camming stuff (with those of us who GET IT)...without having members being dismissive of her feelings, or doing that gaslighting shit that some guys like to do.

 

[Vixxen81]

Well, that's sort of what I said. I suggested it to her so she can vent freely about camming stuff (with those of us who GET IT)...without having members being dismissive of her feelings, or doing that gaslighting shit that some guys like to do.

I'm thinking about it and thank you for thinking of my feelings. I'm worried I'd never get off the forum and actually work. I tend to get tunnel vision with sites like this and keep falling down all the interesting rabbit holes. LOL

Half of my replies here are keyed during slow times as it is.

 

[Ozzie_]

"Woke" means being clued up about racial injustice and discrimination. It's telling that alt.righters/white power people use it as a pejorative today.

Regarding left vs. right wing sentiment, I personally see it as more of a polarisation of authoritarian vs. progressive attitudes. It's past simple political differences.

I see both "woke" and the previous (by decades) "politically correct" to both be positive inclusive caring traits that have been weaponised by the right the world over to use to dismiss & denigrate the arguments of progressive thinkers.

 

[Vixxen81]

Maybe we can dive into this. To me and a few other people I chat with regularly, when a far right leaning person uses the term woke it is just a new way of calling the person they're attacking a social justice warrior.

I think a lot of people think political correctness went too far but all political correctness is asking a person to do is be polite and keep their bigoted, misogynistic hate-filled thoughts to themselves.

Being woke means you're aware of just how hard these people are stepping on our necks and we're trying to get the boot off of said necks to gain equal footing.

 

[Ozzie_]

Maybe we can dive into this. To me and a few other people I chat with regularly, when a far right leaning person uses the term woke it is just a new way of calling the person they're attacking a social justice warrior.

That is another term abused by the right. To me we should all be warriors for social justice. Otherwise are we not accepting social INjustice?

 

[Vixxen81]

That is another term abused by the right. To me we should all be warriors for social justice. Otherwise are we not accepting social INjustice?

Exactly. There's a reason our school systems are being gutted of real critical thinking skills with students taught to memorize and regurgitate information without applying that information in a real world situation or even discussing the logic of it. It started when I was in 8th grade (1994) and has ramped up since then (see latest book banning in Florida)...teachers get fired for actually teaching kids to think independently. You can't pull the wool over a woke person's eyes which ends their grift on the American people and apparently the rest of the world as well.

 

[Ozzie_]

Exactly. There's a reason our school systems are being gutted of real critical thinking skills with students taught to memorize and regurgitate information without applying that information in a real world situation or even discussing the logic of it. It started when I was in 8th grade (1994) and has ramped up since then (see latest book banning in Florida)...teachers get fired for actually teaching kids to think independently. You can't pull the wool over a woke person's eyes which ends their grift on the American people and apparently the rest of the world as well.

At least in Australia we aren't burning or banning books.

 

[Vixxen81]

At least in Australia we aren't burning or banning books.

It's frightening. They're also trying to ban drag shows. Like, what the hell are you so terrified of that you think these things shouldn't exist? I live my life by one rule: question.everything.

 

[Ozzie_]

It's frightening. They're also trying to ban drag shows. Like, what the hell are you so terrified of that you think these things shouldn't exist? I live my life by one rule: question.everything.

My rule i s "live and let live" or "Do unto others..."

 

[Vixxen81]

My rule i s "live and let live" or "Do unto others..."

I grew up in a world where I was told I could be literally anything I wanted to be and that one thing I wanted to be was a housewife and then somewhere in the early aughts I was told that I was insane and had to go to work because who could possibly have a one income household in the post 9/11 economic crises. Now I'm being told I can't have an abortion, an ectopic pregnancy, take the morning after pill, have a chemical abortion, or a miscarriage without possibly facing legal charges where my freedom would be taken away from me but I still have to go to work and I still have to be a proper cog in the US Consumer Machine to keep the grifting going in Washington for lobbyists and other assorted schemes and scams these millionaires come up with to keep their pockets lined. But don't let that work be sex work or science or influential on a political scale.

When you look at through those lenses it's like, hmmm maybe a nuclear war wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. Of course it's a TERRIBLE idea for a list of reasons any sane person could imagine.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Well, that's sort of what I said. I suggested it to her so she can vent freely about camming stuff (with those of us who GET IT)...without having members being dismissive of her feelings, or doing that gaslighting shit that some guys like to do.

Yes, I tongue in cheek said I wanted to join the MO section to be free of the jerks and their bs.

 

[ArcticKitty]

I see both "woke" and the previous (by decades) "politically correct" to both be positive inclusive caring traits that have been weaponised by the right the world over to use to dismiss & denigrate the arguments of progressive thinkers.

I think you're right, Ozzie. And there's the dog whistle insider speak words to solidify in-group cohesion. It's not particular to the right, of course, it's a human social nature thing aisi.

 

[Smoothie]

Yes, I tongue in cheek said I wanted to join the MO section to be free of the jerks and their bs.

It would be funny if you hated the rest of us so much that you started an entirely new modeling career just for the sake of getting into the ACF models only section.

 

[ArcticKitty]

I've read the responses and thank you all for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully. I admit my original response to Artic was a knee jerk reaction. I care about all women and had no idea Australia was pulling this mess too. But, should have seen it coming from a country that bans small breasted women from entering porn careers. I will try to follow the international stuff more closely though we aren't exactly given a wealth of Ametican resources because we have our heads up our own butts about things going on here. Thanks for the insight!

Well, reading the BBC, CBC and the Guardian has certainly given me perspective on social issues around the world!

And frankly, right inside the US, women of colour are really up against it and it seems like no one else gives a damn.

Understand, I personally get it light because Asians and Natives are usually treated as honourary white people (as long as we stay in character) and Inuit are both.

 

[ArcticKitty]

It would be funny if you hated the rest of us so much that you started an entirely new modeling career just for the sake of getting into the ACF models only section.

What in the world makes you think that, Smoothie?? I'm referring to the dickheads and creeps and freaks that wash up on the shore in here.

 

[Smoothie]

What in the world makes you think that, Smoothie?? I'm referring to the dickheads and creeps and freaks that wash up on the shore in here.

I meant that as a joke, just to be clear. No malice intended.

That said, I have occasionally gotten the vibe that you’re not a huge fan of other members in general. If I’m way off on that assumption, then that’s on me and I apologize. I actually really enjoy your posts and tend to agree with you on most topics.

 

[Vixxen81]

Well, reading the BBC, CBC and the Guardian has certainly given me perspective on social issues around the world!

And frankly, right inside the US, women of colour are really up against it and it seems like no one else gives a damn.

Understand, I personally get it light because Asians and Natives are usually treated as honourary white people (as long as we stay in character) and Inuit are both.

Regarding POC in the US, it's not a topic I'm even remotely qualified to address. I can't imagine what it is like and only know of the things I am told. But I promise to always listen and try to understand.