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[Lover31660]

Hope everyone is having a good day. Sending positive energy. ️

I'm happy. Still on vacation and going to The Bonnaroo music and arts festival Saturday

 

[MarieElise]

Gosh, hopefully anyone here who might in Southern Florida is staying safe and on high ground.

 

[cbhours]

Today I learned the importance of the concrete columns in front of businesses by the road to prevent cards from jumping on the sidewalk. We were let out of an Uber van with a sliding door right on to the sidewalk in front of a hotel without concrete columns and because someone blocked the other side of the road for a few seconds a taxi decided to drive on to the sidewalk and nearly hit us. I do look both ways but at the time I was getting out he was still on the road so I never expected it. The Uber put his arm out in front of us as he saw what the taxi started to do....I'm not sure we would have reacted in time if he hadn't extended his arm.

I didn't take a photo in time and the security cameras for the hotel point towards the building rather than towards the street so u fortunately they got away with it.

 

[KingMarti]

I'm clearly past annoyance at how many people come here to fight against PERMANENT actions.

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I can think of some platforms that also need to learn the difference between temporary and permanent too. Had an account temporarily restricted as more information was required, emailed support to find out what information they needed because the original email didnt say and apparently temporary and permanent are now interchangeable, guess I missed when those definitions got updated.

 

[rockin_rod]

Slow day in my paid work.... found myself wondering why so many people include their email address in their typed-out email signature block.
If I received an email from you, I have your email address right there in the 'from' field.
Yep, definitely a slow day.

 

[KingMarti]

I can think of some platforms that also need to learn the difference between temporary and permanent too. Had an account temporarily restricted as more information was required, emailed support to find out what information they needed because the original email didnt say and apparently temporary and permanent are now interchangeable, guess I missed when those definitions got updated.

I asked that site to double check since the original email said it was a temp restriction. They replied with "your account has been placed on a permanent temporary restriction".... can someone make that sentence make sense please?

 

[Smoothie]

I asked that site to double check since the original email said it was a temp restriction. They replied with "your account has been placed on a permanent temporary restriction".... can someone make that sentence make sense please?

So it’s temporary, but it will remain temporary forever?

Or it’s permanent, but only for now?

Words are hard…

 

[bud9752]

So it’s temporary, but it will remain temporary forever?

Or it’s permanent, but only for now?

Words are hard…

well , that's the English language for ya

 

[MarieElise]

Omg this Baby Reindeer thing … I’m so sucked in, and I’m not even finished w episode 1 yet.

 

[Vixxen81]

Omg this Baby Reindeer thing … I’m so sucked in, and I’m not even finished w episode 1 yet.

She's suing Netflix (?) for like $50million.

 

[MarieElise]

She's suing Netflix (?) for like $50million.

Yeah, I’m not very far through, but she’s not looking that great so far. People don’t like to look bad. It’s probably going to get worse too .

I could also see the angle of these crime shows profiting off of the pain and sickness of others, but I’m sure Netflix has a robust team of lawyers they clear this kind of stuff with first, before they make it… so …

 

[Vixxen81]

Yeah, I’m not very far through, but she’s not looking that great so far. People don’t like to look bad. It’s probably going to get worse too .

I could also see the angle of these crime shows profiting off of the pain and sickness of others, but I’m sure Netflix has a robust team of lawyers they clear this kind of stuff with first, before they make it… so …

There's some unhinged interview of her saying she never contacted him, then she says a few times, then like 19 times...it's wild. But yeah, if any lawyer takes her up on her desire to sue here, they'll be laughed out of court.

Also, tons of new stuff about OJ is coming out. Thought you'd be interested in that, too.

 

[MarieElise]

There's some unhinged interview of her saying she never contacted him, then she says a few times, then like 19 times...it's wild. But yeah, if any lawyer takes her up on her desire to sue here, they'll be laughed out of court.

Also, tons of new stuff about OJ is coming out. Thought you'd be interested in that, too.

Oj Simpson ? I’m so weird with the crime stuff, I get hyper focused on specific cases, then avoid others completely. OJ is one of the ones on my avoid list. I mean I know the basics , but I’ve mainly avoided it. I’m kind of interested in the BK Idaho case though, that’s a high profile one, I’ve been following close for sure.

You and I always get into the opposite ones. Remember you followed the Vallow one, when I was following the Stauch one? One of these days, we’ll hit on one that catches both of us, at the same time.

ETA; props to anyone who followed that one though, and kept up on it. It was so fucking complicated, convoluted and bizarre!

 

[Marceline]

There's some unhinged interview of her saying she never contacted him, then she says a few times, then like 19 times...it's wild. But yeah, if any lawyer takes her up on her desire to sue here, they'll be laughed out of court.

The interview is absolutely wild. She goes back and forth so much. One minute she's saying she barely knew him, the next that she messaged him a few times, then she admits she did go to one of his comedy shows.... And then, saying he's the one who was asking her out. My favorite part is after she claims to have a photographic memory and then Piers is like "So, you're pretty intelligent then" and she says yes and how she went to law school. And when he starts asking her questions about her grades and what field of law she majored in, she was like "I majored in all of them" and then starts saying how she can't remember exactly what grades she passed with. He presses her more and she's like "I wasn't the top of my class, but I did do well" And then he's like "I thought you had a photographic memory? So shouldn't you remember what your exact grades were?" She's A LOT like the person they portrayed her as in the show.

She's also made some Facebook and Twitter posts since then, and they're.... something else. Pretty sure it's the real woman and not someone just pretending to be her. The funny part is, her posts are written exactly like the show's Marta.

I watched a panel Piers Morgan did after the interview about all of it. I don't think she's actually going to sue, but if she does, according to the legal expert on the panel, she may actually have a somewhat decent case. One, because Netflix and the man who made the show did neglect their duty of care when it came to her identity. People were able to find her within a few days of the show being released simply by looking through his Tweets with stuff she said in the show (like, the part with the "hanging her curtains" ACTUALLY happened and the real "Marta" Tweeted Richard years ago about how she needed her curtains hanged, hahaha). And even though she is nuts, people on the internet can also be nuts and the one thing I don't doubt is when she said in the interview that she was receiving death threats, and that's not okay.

Two:

Spoiler: Somewhat show spoiler

In the show, Richard says how she was previously arrested and spent time in prison for stalking and harassment in the past. From the real life interview, it seems like she was in some legal trouble in the past for stalking and harassing a previous employer's family, but that she never went to jail. And no one has been able to find any public records of her actually doing jail time. On the panel, they said this would probably be what could win her a lawsuit.

Either way, the show and everything that has happened in real life since it has been released on Netflix is very interesting.

Also, people claim to have found the guy from the show (Once you get past episode four, I believe, you'll know who that is). Richard came forward and said it wasn't him, but there's people, like even my best friend, who think he said that just to cover himself legally, but the person internet sleuths identified is in fact the actual guy.

 

[MarieElise]

Omg they fucked up , so now she has a chance at becoming a super rich powerful stalker, instead of a broke one. Omg this world .
I feel bad laughing, but I can kind of see some humor, and irony in that.

ETA; I mean, also, they can't be making shows off of people's real lives, and pain, and then not doing it responsibly.

 

[Marceline]

Omg they fucked up , so now she has a chance at becoming a super rich powerful stalker, instead of a broke one. Omg this world .
I feel bad laughing, but I can kind of see some humor, and irony in that.

ETA; I mean, also, they can't be making shows off of people's real lives, and pain, and then not doing it responsibly.

If I had to take a guess, if she does end up suing they’ll settle with her out of court without it ever going to trial. She’ll end up with a good chunk of money, but nowhere near $50 million.

I don’t think she would want to go through a whole trial, because I have no doubt that during discovery the defense is bound to find a ton of very embarrassing information on her since they’ll be able to get the phone and email records. Funny enough, Piers brings that exact point up in the interview and Ms. I Majored In Every Field of Law clearly didn’t understand what exactly the discovery phase was.

 

[Vixxen81]

Well isn't that where the laws get tricky? Because you have to determine whether she is a public figure or not when it comes to slander and defamation, and wouldn't that be the core of the suit? Because if it's true and she did get in trouble for stalking but had a suspended sentence or probation, it's only technically incorrect not a fabrication of character in an attempt to defame/slander her name?

 

[MarieElise]

Well isn't that where the laws get tricky? Because you have to determine whether she is a public figure or not when it comes to slander and defamation, and wouldn't that be the core of the suit? Because if it's true and she did get in trouble for stalking but had a suspended sentence or probation, it's only technically incorrect not a fabrication of character in an attempt to defame/slander her name?

Couldn’t she sue for some kind of privacy thing? Or emotional suffering related to privacy/ identity being revealed?

Side note; I’ve always wondered what the difference between libel and defamation is. I had a friend growing up, who won a libel case. She was a stripper, but her whole family was lawyers, and some sour dude libelled her in the local paper. Haha, Sex Workers - 1 ; Conformists - 0

ETA; Ok just looked it up, libel is just a written defamation. Sounds easier to prove.

 

[Vixxen81]

Couldn’t she sue for some kind of privacy thing? Or emotional suffering related to privacy/ identity being revealed?

Side note; I’ve always wondered what the difference between libel and defamation is. I had a friend growing up, who won a libel case. She was a stripper, but her whole family was lawyers, and some sour dude libelled her in the local paper. Haha, Sex Workers - 1 ; Conformists - 0

ETA; Ok just looked it up, libel is just a written defamation. Sounds easier to prove.

Public posts on Twitter though...I'd be interested to follow it no matter what, I think. I mean E Jean Carroll got $85 mil out of that Dotard for defamation when he claimed he had never even met her. I think it would be interesting if the guy in question turned around and sued her for defamation if he has the receipts to prove she did contact him and stalked him.

And awesome for your friend!!

Here's an interesting write up: https://www.pbs.org/standards/media-law-101/defamation/#:~:text=A plaintiff who is a,a lower level of fault.

 

[Marceline]

Well isn't that where the laws get tricky? Because you have to determine whether she is a public figure or not when it comes to slander and defamation, and wouldn't that be the core of the suit? Because if it's true and she did get in trouble for stalking but had a suspended sentence or probation, it's only technically incorrect not a fabrication of character in an attempt to defame/slander her name?

Someone can be a victim of slander/libel whether or not they’re seen as a public figure. If the untrue statement causes some kind of harm or damage to a person’s life, they can sue. Slander can put someone in physical or emotional harm’s way, cause them to lose their job or job opportunities, get them evicted from their housing, etc. In those circumstances, you can absolutely sue.

I think the biggest issue with the show lies in the fact that at the beginning they say “This is a true story”. Not based on or inspired by. With that being said, there’s some parts of the show that Richard claims to have had happen in real life, which could absolutely damage Fiona’s life and livelihood.

Spoiler: Show Spoiler

For example, I forgot to mention this before, but in the show there’s a part where Marta sexually assaults Richard’s character on his way home. Since they claim everything in the show is true at the beginning, she could say that scene was slandering her and possibly win since there was never any evidence proving she did do that.

Or emotional suffering related to privacy/ identity being revealed?

This would definitely be the most likely scenario. She’d claim emotional damages, because of the death threats and all she’s been receiving.

I think it would be interesting if the guy in question turned around and sued her for defamation if he has the receipts to prove she did contact him and stalked him.

I don’t think she’s said anything defamatory against him. She’s called him names and such, but never made claims like he has.

Also, none of this took place in the US and I’m not sure how the law is around harassment in other countries, but in the US there would be a statute of limitations when it came to stalking/harassment. I just looked it up and in the US you have less than a year to file a report since the last incident of harassment. I’d guess it’s roughly the same in England (I believe) where all of this took place. The events in the show took place about ten years ago, so he wouldn’t be able to do much legally even if he did have tangible evidence of her stalking and harassing him. But, since the show came out three-ish months ago, she is still well within the time frame to sue him.

Also wanted to say, I’m not defending her at all. I do think she is totally bonkers and I do believe a lot of what Richard claimed happened. But, I do think it’s very interesting from a legal standpoint.

I mean E Jean Carroll got $85 mil out of that Dotard for defamation when he claimed he had never even met her.

I didn’t follow this case at all, since I try to stay out of politics as much as possible these days for my own mental well-being. So, I could be totally wrong with this. However, I’d imagine the reason why she won, and won as much as she did, is because him lying about that could have brought about serious harm to her, emotionally and even physically. We all know how his followers are, so I can only imagine the amount of harassment she received after his false claims.

 

[Vixxen81]

It's not defamation if it actually happened.

If she was arrested for stalking/harassing someone previously to this guy, then yes she technically went to jail. If even only for the amount of time it took to bail her out. If she is working as a lawyer, stalking and harassing someone doesn't hurt her professionally because lawyers are supposed to be dogged in their efforts to contact the people they need to contact.

Whomever this woman is and let's presume the real woman gave the interview you detailed where she talks over herself and lies, she willingly agreed to do that interview. Doing an interview under duress of death threats isn't something anyone does unless they're being held by a terrorist organization (not that Twitter/the internet isn't a special kind of terrorist of its own accord). But she willingly sat down after being found out for the interview. Death threats don't just magically stop when you put yourself on television, they often get more intense.

E Jean Carroll was a lifelong, professional journalist. When Donald Trump said he never met her, that called into question her journalistic integrity, I believe she did lose her job over it or it was in jeopardy. Because they are both public figures, a higher burden of proof had to be met. She won. He is on court records as sexually assaulting her and he lost the appeal to have the decision overturned. He still has not paid her.

 

[Marceline]

It's not defamation if it actually happened.

Yes, I know that.

If she was arrested for stalking/harassing someone previously to this guy, then yes she technically went to jail.

My apologies, by legal trouble, I didn’t mean she was ever arrested. I believe she was served a restraining order, or something of that sort.

Doing an interview under duress of death threats isn't something anyone does unless they're being held by a terrorist organization (not that Twitter/the internet isn't a special kind of terrorist of its own accord). But she willingly sat down after being found out for the interview. Death threats don't just magically stop when you put yourself on television, they often get more intense

This was undoubtedly the woman he had wrote about/portrayed in the show. She herself admits to certain aspects of the story that proves it is her. Just because some people wouldn’t go on television to do an interview while they are receiving anonymous death threats, doesn’t mean everyone will react that way. So you can’t say that isn’t something that anyone would do. I can see people doing what she did for multiple reasons. Wanting to tell their side of the story, believing it might help what they’re going through, for clout or for money (since Piers Morgan did pay her to do the interview).

 

[MarieElise]

I can’t comment on any of this, because I haven’t finished it or seen the Piers Morgan interview. I’m probably going to have to watch the Piers Morgan thing, eventually, now. Uuugh.

But omg Donny’s Dad is my favorite person in this so far! This got really dark, and more real, really fast (just a warning for anyone else considering watching it).

 

[MarieElise]

Oh and sorry Guys, where tf is my mind today??!!

(Cat and puppy Daddy's count too )

 

[yummybrownfox]

One thing I've been wanting to do is get tickets to appear in the studio audience for The Late Show With Stephen Colbert (at the Ed Sullivan Theater in NYC), as well as The View. I've checked their websites, and it's too soon to request tickets for their June tapings, but I'll be keeping an eye on it! I'll already be in NYC anyway for the Justin Timberlake concert.

UPDATE: I forgot to add an update sooner, but I'm going to be in the studio audience of The Late Show With Stephen Colbert this Thursday, and then in the audience of The View next week! I'm excited!

 

[rockin_rod]

UPDATE: I forgot to add an update sooner, but I'm going to be in the studio audience of The Late Show With Stephen Colbert this Thursday, and then in the audience of The View next week! I'm excited!

That's awesome, congrats on both counts!!
I'm interested to know how different it feels seeing a show from the audience's view!

 

[ElGato]

That's awesome, congrats on both counts!!
I'm interested to know how different it feels seeing a show from the audience's view!

A while back I was in the studio audiences of Jay Leno's show and Jimmy Kimmel's show.
The thing that blew me away at both was how small the stages were and how close together everything on stage was. The multiple camera angles make everything look so bigger and spread out on TV. When you see it in person it's like everything on stage could fit in my living room.

 

[yummybrownfox]

In about an hour when it comes on, I’m gonna see if I can spot me and my friend in the audience on tonight’s episode of The Late Show With Stephen Colbert. We were seated in the middle section in the second row. Awesome view of the stage and Stephen Colbert.

They also had a segment today where they brought out a handful of cute dogs for rescue.

 

[Marceline]

Curious how other people react to this.

I live in the middle of a big city and more often than not when I’m walking around there’s people out trying to sell you stuff or get donations for some cause or another. I almost always get stopped by them when I’m out walking by myself or with my best friend.

I find it uncomfortable and usually just buy or donate so I can hurry up and be on my way without feeling bad for blowing them off. Only if I’m in a really bad mood I’ll completely ignore them and just sharply decline any further talk. How do others react to this?

 

[MarieElise]

Curious how other people react to this.

I live in the middle of a big city and more often than not when I’m walking around there’s people out trying to sell you stuff or get donations for some cause or another. I almost always get stopped by them when I’m out walking by myself or with my best friend.

I find it uncomfortable and usually just buy or donate so I can hurry up and be on my way without feeling bad for blowing them off. Only if I’m in a really bad mood I’ll completely ignore them and just sharply decline any further talk. How do others react to this?

Before I had kids, I used to always donate or sign. Now I rudely rebuff every time. You can see it in their eyes when they walk up, their whole face lights up and before they even get word out, I tell them no. Part of the reason that I am not so nice about it anymore. Is that when I was pregnant, there were some really aggressive ones, that were rude to me, and wouldn’t leave me alone. So now I’m just not tolerant of all that at all.

I will get food and money if I have money on me, to homeless people, and stuff though. However I will not deal with those other people. I usually always ask homeless people if I can buy them some things, and I’ll go get them an order at the nearest store, of whatever they ask for. But those notepad, signature fuckers, can rot in hell. I’m over them. I participated for 35 years, now I’m done with them

I live in a huge city where you get harassed everywhere. You will be in your house, and have a no soliciting sign and people will still come to your door, asking for money. Or ringing your doorbell and asking for signatures. So I have a harsh view on it. People pestered me too much, in my life, already. I opted out lol