Charity Events

[PixieVenom]

OK, I just wanna say something...how many people that earn more than us all put together donate zero to charity? Lots! The fact that we consider donating something, as small as it is, is something big. And if the members get so annoyed why dont they make the donations themselves? We donate what we can because all of us have bills to pay. So I applaude all the models that actually donate something.

 

[LilyMarie]

Dont worry about Jerry. He just posts to call people trolls/vlads etc. I just ignore all his posts now.

That's funny that you would try giving people this kind of 'advice', because Jerry is actually a respected member of this forum who doesn't put his foot in his mouth all the time.
Also, 'grimey bitch' was incredibly uncalled for and rude and the emotes used by Jerry were a very appropriate response to it.

I think members are critical perhaps because they simply see as it as means of getting money out of us..

How are we getting money out of members when we're giving to charity... Where is the logic in this?

I don't see why models have to advertise how much they are giving.

Because it makes people want to tip, and it clears things up for them. They know exactly how much of their money is going to the charity. They know what's up, and tip accordingly.

People will be critical of everything. Donating is a personal thing and kinda doesnt make sense to pay someone to donate for you..when you could do it yourself which is why there are screams of "scam", hence the reason why I said most would see it as just getting more tokens from us.

That's plain wrong. - You should REALLY stop saying "members" or "most" when the word you should use is "I". Don't generalize.
I don't go around telling girls to put on eyeliner because "most members like it", when really I am the one who likes it on a woman, and I actually have no idea how most other members think about it.

From my own experience I can tell you most members actually approve of models giving money to charities. Saying that "most" are being suspicious (when actually YOU are suspicious) is simply incorrect.
During my charity nights, I had exactly one troll in my room who said something stupid about it. I had around 15 guys on Twitter and MFC who told me they loved what I was doing. So I have no idea why you're claiming that "most" members think negatively about donating. Like I said, don't make generalizations; don't assume everyone thinks the way you do.

 

[LilyMarie]

I can't edit that post anymore, sorry for the double post.
The following is non-trollsky-related. :mrgreen:

I agree with what ThePioneer said about it being better to donate directly, rather than donating via tipping. I mean, it's obvious. It's basic math. That's why I linked to the page where you can donate directly to the hospital in Boston I'd picked for my 2 charity nights last week.
I donate to Unicef every month, and to the WWF every week, outside of anything camming-related.
I'm just saying this to demonstrate that I don't give to charity to get my camscore up, like some people in here are suggesting. :icon-rolleyes:

However, I still think it's a cool idea to specifically spend a camming shift or two collecting money for a cause, every once in a while. It feels good, it makes me feel like I really only worked for that cause during that/those shift(s), and it makes me feel less helpless in the face of tragedy.
Sorry if this sounds dramatic, but I'm the type of person who wants to do something, anything, to help when things like Boston happen in the world, and clicking a few buttons (i.e. donating directly, without camming specifically for the donation) doesn't feel the same as the feeling when you're actually working to help others. If that makes sense. So yes, in a way it's selfish; working for the charity while knowing I'm doing it 100% for them makes me feel good.

 

[Anonymous]

:? :roll:

:? :roll: How would that not be grimey? Or did bitch offend you? I call dudes bitches sometimes so it's not a sexist thing. Anyone can be a bitch.

I think Jerry's eyeroll response to you was appropriate. It's strange that you used the phrase 'grimey bitch' when you're the same person who - 2 months ago - told models in the Stolen Videos thread that they were "harsh" for using the term 'scum' to describe cappers.

But a model donating to charity for the sole purpose of improving her cam score is a "grimey bitch?" That is harsh.

 

[SerenaMoon]

When you buy Girl Scout cookies, do you know how much goes to the individual troop? 12 to 17% actually benefits the cute little kid at your door directly. They choose what to spend it on, and if they are like my group was, part of that is usually donated somewhere else.

Just saying

 

[JerryBoBerry]

That's funny that you would try giving people this kind of 'advice', because Jerry is actually a respected member of this forum who doesn't put his foot in his mouth all the time.

Okay, now i'm tearing up. It's just sand in my eye. Yeah, that's it.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Also, 'grimey bitch' was incredibly uncalled for and rude

Why? If a model is doing it for selfish reasons and hiding behind a charity, she's a grimey bitch. Not sure why anyone would be offended.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I think Jerry's eyeroll response to you was appropriate. It's strange that you used the phrase 'grimey bitch' when you're the same person who - 2 months ago - told models in the Stolen Videos thread that they were "harsh" for using the term 'scum' to describe cappers.

But a model donating to charity for the sole purpose of improving her cam score is a "grimey bitch?" That is harsh.

They were using scum to describe people who were actually real and posting in that thread, while I use grimey bitch to describe a hypothetical model. You don't see the difference?

 

[Anonymous]

They were using scum to describe people who were actually real and posting in that thread, while I use grimey bitch to describe a hypothetical model. You don't see the difference?

Yeah, you like to jump to the defense of the real douchebags. I get it. :thumbleft:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Yeah, you like to jump to the defense of the real douchebags. I get it. :thumbleft:

 

[Anonymous]

:hello2:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Also, 'grimey bitch' was incredibly uncalled for and rude

Why? If a model is doing it for selfish reasons and hiding behind a charity, she's a grimey bitch. Not sure why anyone would be offended.

I don't think donating to charities can be selfish. I guess that's debatable. I once HAD to do charity work for a grade in school. I did do it, but I also enjoyed it, helped out people AND got a good grade. Just because something positive might come out of it for you, doesn't make the act of helping less valid, IMO. :twocents-02cents:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I don't think donating to charities can be selfish. I guess that's debatable. I once HAD to do charity work for a grade in school. I did do it, but I also enjoyed it, helped out people AND got a good grade. Just because something positive might come out of it for you, doesn't make the act of helping less valid, IMO. :twocents-02cents:

I agree with you. A grimey bitch would be a model who is doing a charity day simply to make more money for herself or to raise her camscore while not caring about the charity. A model using charity as a means to improve her own situation. Straight grimey.

 

[Nordling]

I don't think donating to charities can be selfish. I guess that's debatable. I once HAD to do charity work for a grade in school. I did do it, but I also enjoyed it, helped out people AND got a good grade. Just because something positive might come out of it for you, doesn't make the act of helping less valid, IMO. :twocents-02cents:

I agree with you. A grimey bitch would be a model who is doing a charity day simply to make more money for herself or to raise her camscore while not caring about the charity. A model using charity as a means to improve her own situation. Straight grimey.

*grimy.

No idea why a hypothetical human is automatically grimy (dirty)...many evil people take regular baths.

The main objection is the use of the B word...it's a gender specific slur that singles out all women, like any group specific slur. It's why reasonable people avoid the N word, no matter what the context.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

The main objection is the use of the B word...it's a gender specific slur that singles out all women,

Bitch please. Maybe at one time and maybe still to a very older group of people, but bitch is unisex. I see dudes being bitches way more often than females.

 

[Nordling]

The main objection is the use of the B word...it's a gender specific slur that singles out all women,

Bitch please. Maybe at one time and maybe still to a very older group of people, but bitch is unisex. I see dudes being bitches way more often than females.

Sorry, DUDE, you can't create your own language. Just because Australian men often call each other "cunts," doesn't mean that's now a term of affection when referring to women.

Well, you CAN create your own language--but other people will not understand you or they'll think you're a twit.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I don't think donating to charities can be selfish. I guess that's debatable. I once HAD to do charity work for a grade in school. I did do it, but I also enjoyed it, helped out people AND got a good grade. Just because something positive might come out of it for you, doesn't make the act of helping less valid, IMO. :twocents-02cents:

I agree with you. A grimey bitch would be a model who is doing a charity day simply to make more money for herself or to raise her camscore while not caring about the charity. A model using charity as a means to improve her own situation. Straight grimey.

Alright. The wording needs help, but I guess I agree with you to an extent. Intentions aren't everything, but I do think a model giving to charity should do it out of kindness and not for only selfish purposes.
But we'd never be able to tell who is doing it for what purposes. So it really doesn't matter since we can't possibly know the intentions.

 

[trotskyleon]

Dont worry about Jerry. He just posts to call people trolls/vlads etc. I just ignore all his posts now.

That's funny that you would try giving people this kind of 'advice', because Jerry is actually a respected member of this forum who doesn't put his foot in his mouth all the time.

Like post with just two emote and then say other people don't contribute. Or make post calling someone a vlad and then say other people dont contribute.

Also, 'grimey bitch' was incredibly uncalled for and rude and the emotes used by Jerry were a very appropriate response to it.

No like Jerry, he "I simply call it like I see it."

You pretty much answered it all yourrself. The issue was with members who are critical of either why you donate to charity or how much you donate. There is no issue with members who approve of your methods.

Your first post was about how much to donate and subsequent posts were about members who were critical of how much you donate. There are no issues with members who tip and like what you are doing. I merely suggested a reason of why some members are critical - and suggested most members who are critical - may think like how i posted before.

I made it quite clear, that I dont care how much models give to charity and I am quite happy if you simply state which charity you support or not. Cam sites arent a place where you come to donate charity.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Like post with just two emote and then say other people don't contribute. Or make post calling someone a vlad and then say other people dont contribute.

No like Jerry, he "I simply call it like I see it."

So much for his claims of ignoring me, dangit. It was too good to be true it seems. :snooty:

 

[LilyMarie]

Your first post was about how much to donate and subsequent posts were about members who were critical of how much you donate.

lol no? I never talked about this....

There are no issues with members who tip and like what you are doing. I merely suggested a reason of why some members are critical - and suggested most members who are critical - may think like how i posted before.

Nope, what you said was that most members ARE critical. Which is wrong.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

other people will not understand you or they'll think you're a twit.

That's ok.

it really doesn't matter since we can't possibly know the intentions.

Yep

I simply call it like I see it.

The great poet Shawn Corey Carter once said "I call a spade a spade, it just is what it is". Truly one of the great philosophers of our time.

 

[trotskyleon]

Man I am getting confused with playboymegan and lilymarie... I went into her room (playboymegan) thinking it was you (lilymarie).

My apologies. You didnt post it.

 

[TacoBelle]

We donate quite a bit in my room, so this is a topic very close to my heart. I live a simple life, and I don't need much, so most of the extra goes to savings or people that need it more. (I would hope that if I were in their shoes, someone would do the same for me) As for criticizing a model: it doesn't matter how much she gives, so long as she is HONEST about it from the beginning. A topic stating "40% of all proceeds go to XYZ charity!" leaves no doubt. I have, however, gotten extremely pissed about models lying to members. For instance, one of my favorites generates thousands of dollars to donate to a large charity every few months, but she always says that she will only donate 50%. This would be fine, except that her reasoning is "to account for the taxes for the donation amount." If the model is donating to a NON-PROFIT organization, she can write it off on her taxes. This dishonesty aggravates me and discourages me from tipping her.

I think it's awesome. I would just give straight to the charity, but what a model does with her money ain't my business. 1% is better than nothing. Even if the model is doing it in a attempt to get more tips or raise her camscore, at least that grimey bitch is donating something.

:? :roll:

Punk, I don't think Jerry meant to upset you... he was merely pointing out that the term "grimey bitch" is very offensive and off-putting. In your scenario, the model is donating to a cause (every little bit helps), and even if she is raising her camscore by doing so, she is being honest about the percentage donated. It's just a perk of doing a good deed. This doesn't make her a negative person simply by accepting the perks. That's like fostering children because you love kids, and refusing to be paid to do so. It's just a perk of doing something good, an incentive for more people to do the same. We know that your comment was just an off-handed insult, but it still stings to hear. Always err on the side of not judging, so as to not offend and hurt people.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Punk, I don't think Jerry meant to upset you

He didn't upset me at all. I was honestly curious as to why he might be offended. The only people who should of been offended would be the terrible people that intentionally use charity for their own benefits. A model who is doing it for the right reasons will not be insulted by anything I said. Plus, I still gave the grimey bitches props for donating something.

 

[LilyMarie]

Punk, I don't think Jerry meant to upset you

He didn't upset me at all. I was honestly curious as to why he might be offended. The only people who should of been offended would be the terrible people that intentionally use charity for their own benefits. A model who is doing it for the right reasons will not be insulted by anything I said. Plus, I still gave the grimey bitches props for donating something.

I'm doing it for the right reasons and I was still offended by you going around randomly calling girls bitches.
Hm.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Ugh I hate how dramatic this thread got.

I love doing charity days on cam. I will not apologize in saying that I use them as a camscore/top 100 boost. I will usually donate the full 100% but if I needed to I think I would be fine with doing a smaller % i just wouldn't have the same expectation of my members.

I also will often fill out an amazon wishlist, or some form of external donation fund set up so taht people can donate directly.

I feel like it makes people see you as more than just a sex object/fantasy on cam and that is a good thing for many models. It's also a way I get to do what I wanted to - and why I quit my job at the shelter and started camming in the first place.

At the shelter i was forced to cut myself a small paycheck - taking money FROM them for the work im doing. Something like 65 bucks a day. Now i can earn, realistically 65 bucks an hour easily. And give back far more to to rescue, by doing that, and using free time.....


To the ladies that are curious about doing this but worried about backlash:

Be transparent as possible. Tell them exactly how much is being given, places where they can donate directly should they not wish to use tokens, and mention that you are hoping your camscore will go up or whatever if there are benefits in it for you.

Choose causes which are not controversial, and that you genuinely believe in. Explain to your members why this cause important to you.

Provide screenshotted proof of donation if possible, or a picture of reciept. You can black out names and identifying information very easily.


if you do all this you may still likely get haters. My advice to you then is to fuck them, and do it anyway.

 

[AllisonWilder]

30%, 50%, 100% of a night of earnings are all great contributions. Haters gonna hate, keep on doing those charity events!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I was still offended by you going around randomly calling girls bitches.
Hm.

I don't go around randomly calling girls bitches.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I love doing charity days on cam. I will not apologize in saying that I use them as a camscore/top 100 boost.

I would hope that you use charity days as a means to donate to charity first and the camscore thing second.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Ugh I hate how dramatic this thread got.

I love doing charity days on cam. I will not apologize in saying that I use them as a camscore/top 100 boost. I will usually donate the full 100% but if I needed to I think I would be fine with doing a smaller % i just wouldn't have the same expectation of my members.

I say keep doing it. Any amount is good.

I akin it to Box Tops for education. Say you buy a $4 box of Cheerios, you can cut that little box top coupon and give it to your school and the company will give ten cents to your kid's school. That is only 2.5% of the money they are giving away as a charitable donation. Should they stop? After all they are being a 'grimey bitch' of a company. (sorry, I just couldn't resist that one, it's time had come) But realistically if they didn't do this small little program it would have meant schools didn't get $74 million in funds last year.

Every little bit helps. And it's way more than the charity would get without it. Keep doing it.