Can We Get A Model Run Custom Site?

[MilaRose]

Can we please get a model run custom video site where sellers are protected! If there is one, can I join lol. If anyone is working on one, I would also love to help in any way I can. Us models deserve to have some kind of protection against scamming buyers and injust support on adult platforms.

Disclaimer: This is mainly just a rant,

I filmed a video for a buyer a few days ago. He wanted: POV, HD, JOI, Flirty Tease, Eye Contact.
So, I filmed this for him and he complained that I wasn't giving any eye contact. Anyone with eyes could see I was looking directly into the camera lens when I filmed it (which I did). Anyway, the buyer told me he sent out a complaint to ELM even though he was falsifying the situation.

No worries, right? Just wait for the 3 day mark to self complete the escrow and email ELM support to let them know what's going on. This is clearly a buyer who wants a video for free.

I woke up this morning to an email from ELM saying they cancelled the escrow on the buyer's behalf. WHAT!? Absolutely no explanation as to why. Literally just let the buyer walk away with a free video that I filmed to a "T" based on the details I was provided by the buyer.

This isn't the first time I have had issues with ELM support either. They have done this to me on the first escrow I ever had even though I got all of the details correct. They also changed my review on a buyer without my knowledge or permission because that buyer told them that I said it was okay to do.

I'm caught between angry, not because of the loss of the few dollars that I worked for but because of the injust, and also laughing my head off because it's hilarious how sellers are treated by ELM support and how a buyer can just tell ELM that their video was filmed incorrectly and then boom, there's your refund and you get to keep your video.

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[BiancaBaker]

IWC (IWANTCLIPS.COM) is run by Bratty Nikki she is a female and you get 100 percent for customs. If you want chargeback protection it's 5 percent you can also sell clips; it's my back up clip site but there totally is already a female run site like this.

 

[MilaRose]

IWC (IWANTCLIPS.COM) is run by Bratty Nikki she is a female and you get 100 percent for customs. If you want chargeback protection it's 5 percent you can also sell clips; it's my back up clip site but there totally is already a female run site like this.

Awesome, thanks! I'm already on IWantClips, but I had no idea it was model run.

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[MilaRose]

As an update, the buyer has now come out to tell me he actually disputed a different detail to ELM support in that he wanted 4 separate clips when I sent him one and that's most likely why ELM support sided with him. However, in the 2 days we spent debating this between ourselves, buyer and seller, he had not brought this up once... until now. Had I known that was the issue, I would have redone the video for him in a heart beat. Scammer alert!

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[ElaySmith]

I’m pretty sure manyvids is also ran or owned by a model as well.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I’m pretty sure manyvids is also ran or owned by a model as well.

Yep, the owner is a former porn star. She actually just came out about being the owner recently.

 

[MilaRose]

Yep, the owner is a former porn star. She actually just came out about being the owner recently.

Damn really? Can any one link the source? I would love to read/watch. I'm also on MV and they are my top fave site by far. They definitely have the best platform support.

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[EspiKvlt]

Damn really? Can any one link the source? I would love to read/watch. I'm also on MV and they are my top fave site by far. They definitely have the best platform support.

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[ElaySmith]

If you really want to sale clips you should probably consider sticking to one of the more we’ll known sites.... MV for more vanilla and soft fetishy stuff, IWC for fem/fin dom and c4s for straight up fetish clips. Not to say you can’t cross promote but each site seems to have its on genre of traffic.

 

[Lelo1]

buyer told me he sent out a complaint to ELM even though he was falsifying the situation.

I woke up this morning to an email from ELM saying they cancelled the escrow on the buyer's behalf.

The thing is the website really doesn't have the money, the Credit Card Companies has the money. If they refuse to refund, the dude just calls up the Credit Card Company and they reverse the charge.

And the credit card company is going to reverse the charge because they have to comply with state and federal laws on canceling and refunds.

 

[MilaRose]

Wow, thanks so much. What an amazing read!

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[MilaRose]

If you really want to sale clips you should probably consider sticking to one of the more we’ll known sites.... MV for more vanilla and soft fetishy stuff, IWC for fem/fin dom and c4s for straight up fetish clips. Not to say you can’t cross promote but each site seems to have its on genre of traffic.

I'm on both, but the majority of my revenue comes from customs and I get a lot of those on ELM. Thanks though!

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[MilaRose]

The thing is the website really doesn't have the money, the Credit Card Companies has the money. If they refuse to refund, the dude just calls up the Credit Card Company and they reverse the charge.

And the credit card company is going to reverse the charge because they have to comply with state and federal laws on canceling and refunds.

But when it's in an escrow the funds aren't released to those credit card parties until the escrows finish processing, no?

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[Lelo1]

Escrow just means the website is the '3rd party' handling the credit card transaction between seller and the purchaser. It's still a normal credit card transaction.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Some info on chargebacks ... I run a site that has an adult payment processor.

Anyone can call their cc company within i think 3 months and say they didn't get what they paid for and reverse the charge. For a payment processor to challenge these it comes with a fee if they are unsuccessful so often it's not worth it. Cc companies usually side with their customer.

Payment processors then add charges and penalties for chargebacks. Also lets say they want to switch payment processors or add a new one .. the % rate they get per transaction will depend highly on the # of chargeback as cos they recieve. It is highly within the sites interest to avoid them.

It's fucked.

 

[Guy]

Some info on chargebacks ... I run a site that has an adult payment processor.

Anyone can call their cc company within i think 3 months and say they didn't get what they paid for and reverse the charge. For a payment processor to challenge these it comes with a fee if they are unsuccessful so often it's not worth it. Cc companies usually side with their customer.

Payment processors then add charges and penalties for chargebacks. Also lets say they want to switch payment processors or add a new one .. the % rate they get per transaction will depend highly on the # of chargeback as cos they recieve. It is highly within the sites interest to avoid them.

It's fucked.

News segment about Chargebacks.

 

[Lelo1]

News segment about Chargebacks.

Right if the guy just calls up the CC company and reverses it, it can be fraud.

But in this case, the guy asked the website for a refund.
If they said no, He may be within his legal rights to reverse the transaction with the CC company.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Right if the guy just calls up the CC company and reverses it, it can be fraud.

But in this case, the guy asked the website for a refund.
If they said no, He may be within his legal rights to reverse the transaction with the CC company.

Thats the point though, if a customer asks a seller for a refund its in their best interests to give it. Especially if the product is cheap and/or digital because there's virtually no way of way of challenging those with the CC company.

There's no reason why someone who delivers a custom video to the letter of the instructions the person provides, within the agreed upon time, should be given a refund after they've already downloaded the product. But they get it because its better for the website to give a refund than take a chargeback fee.

 

[Lelo1]

Thats the point though, if a customer asks a seller for a refund its in their best interests to give it. Especially if the product is cheap and/or digital because there's virtually no way of way of challenging those with the CC company.

exactly

There's no reason why someone who delivers a custom video to the letter of the instructions the person provides, within the agreed upon time, should be given a refund after they've already downloaded the product. But they get it because its better for the website to give a refund than take a chargeback fee.

CC laws include the right for buyers remorse.

With a contract it's usually up to the seller to enforce a contract. As in go to court. Claim they're in breach of contract. Prove there is a breach of contract, extra.

Even then, your often only going to be able to claim damages you can prove. Like I have a receipt for the cream corn that was used in the video.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

exactly



CC laws include the right for buyers remorse.

With a contract it's usually up to the seller to enforce a contract. As in go to court. Claim they're in breach of contract. Prove there is a breach of contract, extra.

Thats so crazy

 

[MilaRose]

Thats the point though, if a customer asks a seller for a refund its in their best interests to give it. Especially if the product is cheap and/or digital because there's virtually no way of way of challenging those with the CC company.

There's no reason why someone who delivers a custom video to the letter of the instructions the person provides, within the agreed upon time, should be given a refund after they've already downloaded the product. But they get it because its better for the website to give a refund than take a chargeback fee.

That is fucked...

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[MilaRose]

exactly



CC laws include the right for buyers remorse.

With a contract it's usually up to the seller to enforce a contract. As in go to court. Claim they're in breach of contract. Prove there is a breach of contract, extra.

Even then, your often only going to be able to claim damages you can prove. Like I have a receipt for the cream corn that was used in the video.

The ideas that came into my head when I read this haha.

xoxo Mila Rose

 

[Sophia360]

As an update, the buyer has now come out to tell me he actually disputed a different detail to ELM support in that he wanted 4 separate clips when I sent him one and that's most likely why ELM support sided with him. However, in the 2 days we spent debating this between ourselves, buyer and seller, he had not brought this up once... until now. Had I known that was the issue, I would have redone the video for him in a heart beat. Scammer alert!

xoxo Mila Rose

Are you able to list who he is? Or email with the screen name so we can beware?