Camscore ???

[siteraider]

Hi
Today when I log in on mfc, i notice something strange, are a lot of model with new model status, and cam score 1000 even if they are models from march 2011, some of them was a day before with cam score over 1000 and some a lot under 1000.
Somebody knows why?
Thanks

 

[JoleneBrody]

Hi
Today when I log in on mfc, i notice something strange, are a lot of model with new model status, and cam score 1000 even if they are models from march 2011, some of them was a day before with cam score over 1000 and some a lot under 1000.
Somebody knows why?
Thanks

I was a glitch and seems to be corrected.

 

[LailaBaise]

Hi
Today when I log in on mfc, i notice something strange, are a lot of model with new model status, and cam score 1000 even if they are models from march 2011, some of them was a day before with cam score over 1000 and some a lot under 1000.
Somebody knows why?
Thanks

I was a glitch and seems to be corrected.

Evil woman messing with our camscores!?!

 

[JoleneBrody]

Hi
Today when I log in on mfc, i notice something strange, are a lot of model with new model status, and cam score 1000 even if they are models from march 2011, some of them was a day before with cam score over 1000 and some a lot under 1000.
Somebody knows why?
Thanks

I was a glitch and seems to be corrected.

Evil woman messing with our camscores!?!

I take full responsibility and admit it was a fail in my attempts to take over the world. so far, no stores have reported looting.

 

[LadyLuna]

At this moment I have no time online and an offline tip of 600 tokens. My camscore is 1052.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Eeek! Wowzers!

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/JolieJulie

Someone just took the highest camscore seat.

 

[AmberCutie]

Eeek! Wowzers!

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/JolieJulie

Someone just took the highest camscore seat.

Reading the comments with all the top 20 drama and talk of offline tips, it's not surprising. It sounds like she made top 10 last month with only being line a few hours, so imagine the hour/token ratio.

Edit: Also, Roxibibi had ~ 54,000 a few months ago I think. So while this is still insanely high (I think there should be a cap, lol) it's not the all time highest.

 

[Kradek]

This is the biggest swing I've seen.

 

[SNATCH]

Eeek! Wowzers!

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/JolieJulie

Someone just took the highest camscore seat.

Question... Has anyone seen the screenshot on her profile from her studio? I am soooooooooo confused... It's the WOWOWOW album...

WTF? I can't even count that high!

 

[Anonymous]

I'm confused too, because when I looked at the left-hand side of the screen, it shows this as her token stats:

Tokens earned:

Private: 1
Spy: 1.25
Group: 0.50
Tips: 1


Huh?

 

[SNATCH]

I think I found the thread where this is being discussed. MY BAD! =X.

 

[AmberCutie]

Yeah it was a joke image, I think it was even made in direct response to a thread about her here at ACF. :lol:

 

[amber_retail]

My cam score is alllllmost at 600, allllmost haha. I usually just ignore in in favour of hanging out and having a good time with customers.

 

[UncleThursday]

The whole camscore thing is a sham, anyway.

It's there only to be used as placement on the homepage. It doesn't matter if you're the sweetest or dirtiest, prettiest or ugliest, whatever or whatever girl; all it does is get you on the homepage higher.

I know a few sub-300 camscore girls that are smoking hot... but the reason they are so low is they work multiple sites at the same time, so they are often set to away or turn their cam off when they go private on another site. Obviously, if not for members who like them, they won't get any "offline" tips while they are in this status on MFC. So, they make very little tokens while they are online. Hence, low camscores.

And some models worry too much about their camscore. I mean way too much. Especially models with high camscores (5k+). You can literally hear them talk about how their camscore is dropping when they aren't getting tips. Some of them even have gone into bursts of anger on a slow day because they know their camscore is dropping (sorry to say, not every day is going to be a huge token day for every model with a high camscore...)

So, models with lower camscores, don't fret too much about it. While you my not appear high on the homepage, there are ways people can find you.

I've used the lounge 1000 to search through models when the girls I normally hang with aren't online. Others do, too. I've even added some of the girls I've found to my friends/perv list (hey, can we get them separated? some girls I just perv, others I have fun talking to and perving... :angry4: ) and spent tokens on.

Some people like to "troll" through the low camscore girls. Often they believe that lower camscore models will do more for less (sometimes true, sometimes not).

Some of us aren't huge fans of the "top" girls for some reason or another (in my case, attitude has a lot to do with it, bad attitudes from models turn me off, no matter how hot they are). So we actively look for "less popular" girls and see if they are what we are looking for when we're online.

I know it's hard to get new people in your room with a low camscore, but word of mouth from members to other members can help. Just try to have fun and maybe get some new members to check you out. Som of them might become regulars.

 

[LexieBlair]

The whole camscore thing is a sham, anyway.

It's there only to be used as placement on the homepage. It doesn't matter if you're the sweetest or dirtiest, prettiest or ugliest, whatever or whatever girl; all it does is get you on the homepage higher.

I know a few sub-300 camscore girls that are smoking hot... but the reason they are so low is they work multiple sites at the same time, so they are often set to away or turn their cam off when they go private on another site. Obviously, if not for members who like them, they won't get any "offline" tips while they are in this status on MFC. So, they make very little tokens while they are online. Hence, low camscores.

And some models worry too much about their camscore. I mean way too much. Especially models with high camscores (5k+). You can literally hear them talk about how their camscore is dropping when they aren't getting tips. Some of them even have gone into bursts of anger on a slow day because they know their camscore is dropping (sorry to say, not every day is going to be a huge token day for every model with a high camscore...)

So, models with lower camscores, don't fret too much about it. While you my not appear high on the homepage, there are ways people can find you.

I've used the lounge 1000 to search through models when the girls I normally hang with aren't online. Others do, too. I've even added some of the girls I've found to my friends/perv list (hey, can we get them separated? some girls I just perv, others I have fun talking to and perving... :angry4: ) and spent tokens on.

Some people like to "troll" through the low camscore girls. Often they believe that lower camscore models will do more for less (sometimes true, sometimes not).

Some of us aren't huge fans of the "top" girls for some reason or another (in my case, attitude has a lot to do with it, bad attitudes from models turn me off, no matter how hot they are). So we actively look for "less popular" girls and see if they are what we are looking for when we're online.

I know it's hard to get new people in your room with a low camscore, but word of mouth from members to other members can help. Just try to have fun and maybe get some new members to check you out. Som of them might become regulars.

Very well said, thanks for posting this. I've been getting stressed with my low camscore lately, but what was said here is true.

 

[UncleThursday]

Just to mention how much of a sham it is, since I forgot in that last post... Last June/July a girl started, I forget her name off the top of my head. Anyway, she was attractive, so I added her to my perv list, but kind of laughed at a new model asking for such huge token amounts for things like she was (something like 2k-2.5k just to get topless or some shit).

While she was getting tips, she wasn't getting them super fast. I just would check her out every now and then... and by the end of July she somehow had a 13k camscore. After hitting that 13k camscore, but not appearing in the top 20 for that month, she had tips rolling in. I'd have to go look to see if she made it in the top 20 after that. If I could remember her name, that is. Don't think I have seen her on for a few months, either.

I joked with a few member friends about it, and a few model friends (without mentioning her name to the models) and got the same type of answer back from them all... She probably fucked Leo (or another admin) and he (or whoever) boosted her camscore.

We already know the admins can boost camscores if they want. They do it to the porn stars that show up so that they appear in the first or second row of the homepage as soon as they appear.

So, if a model gets the attention of an admin (or bangs them ) their camscore can seem to shoot up at an amazing pace.

So it's fair to assume that the opposite is true. Piss an admin off, and they could probably do the same to lower a model's camscore.

Either way, it's not fair to the models who are trying to legitimately get their camscore higher to try and get new members to notice them. If they're going to use some strange mathematical algorithm to determine camscore, they shouldn't have the ability to change it. It makes the algorithm useless.

It's probably also not helping that new models seem to show up in droves every few days.

I should probably stop typing now, as thinking about camscore and how it can bone some really cool and sweet models while getting some really bitchy and unappreciative models to the top of the homepage can get me raging at times. Not saying that's how it always is, but I know a few models who have lower camscores that are absolute sweethearts and try to have fun that can't seem to get even to the 2k camscore mark, and some others that seem to only care about their highest tippers that can have 5k+ camscores. But, I also know some high camscore models that are really cool, and some lower camscore models that are absolute bitches, as well.

But, there's only so much one member who doesn't make a ton of money, like me, can do to help out the ones we feel should be noticed more.

 

[GiaMisaki]

it's all BS. my score was in the 400 range bc i don't cam anymore. the day after my first hardcore porn scene came out it magically went up into the 2200 range. hmm, interesting since i haven't made a dime on there in about 6 months.

 

[muh!]

:crybaby:

Have you read about or tried to figure out how camscore (probably) work?
Can you come up with 1 completely (objectively) legitimate reason why MFC would want to implement such a feature?

I dont think MFC ever boost the camscore of pornstars or superstar models just by changing the number. I think they pay them a set amount just to appear on the site, thus increasing their camscore. Is that unfair?

That being said I agree that there are too many members who only roam the top 1-3 rows of models.

 

[UncleThursday]

Just to mention how much of a sham it is, since I forgot in that last post... Last June/July a girl started, I forget her name off the top of my head. Anyway, she was attractive, so I added her to my perv list, but kind of laughed at a new model asking for such huge token amounts for things like she was (something like 2k-2.5k just to get topless or some shit).

I don't think placing a value of $100 (her cut BEFORE she sets aside her taxes - likely $75 after taxes) on your naked boobs on the internet is a "huge token amount" that warrants laughter and ridicule regardless of how long you have been on a site. You are suggesting someone who is new should place less value on their nudity.

I think for a literal new model, getting $100 before taxes a day is probably a realistic goal for a day. Just starting out, no followers yet, $100 a day at first seems like a reasonable goal to strive for. It's a lot more than many people make in a day at hourly jobs (between taxes, health insurance, 401k, etc, I have to work closer to 14 hours to make $100 in a day). Then as one gets regulars and such, goals can be set higher (I know most models do have daily token goals, often depending on if it is their primary job or side money will depend on the amount models hope to make each day).

Obviously, depending on where you live can be a factor. My state, for example, has a 32% higher cost of living than the national average and housing costs (and apartment rent) over 70% higher than the national average. So, in all honesty, $100 a day doesn't go far here. When I was talking to one model I know who lives in Kansas, and she told me her mortgage was $500 a month and told me how many bedrooms her house has and how much land she had... and I told her how much the mortgage would be here, she nearly died. Her house, which isn;t all that huge, would easily be almost $500k to buy here, maybe more the closer to New York City one got.

I joked with a few member friends about it, and a few model friends (without mentioning her name to the models) and got the same type of answer back from them all... She probably fucked Leo (or another admin) and he (or whoever) boosted her camscore.

So, if a model gets the attention of an admin (or bangs them ) their camscore can seem to shoot up at an amazing pace.

It sounds like you personally found this model's expectations unrealistic from the start (laughing at her topless goals), but decided to watch her from afar in hopes she would fail, and when she didn't fail the only conclusion you and your member and models friends could come up with was she must be banging admin. :icon-rolleyes:

Maybe, just maybe she earned her camscore via working hard, being diligent about her tokens per hour and received offline tips.

Maybe she did. I can't be certain. Hence the jokes.

However, except for her, I have never seen an actual brand new model's camscore shoot up so fast. Models that make new accounts, yes. They already have a following and regulars, so their regulars come in and they start out with a following. I know CutieCaitlyn was on another account before, and when she made the current account, she shot up pretty fast because she had regulars. Mary AKA CrzySyzy left her studio and made a new account, and she already had a ton of regulars so her camscore shot up fast. There's a girl in the top 20 right now who also worked for a studio, American, and she made a new account maybe a month ago and her camscore is high (over 10k already, I think-- she came online, almost 11k), but again, already had a following. There's a few others I noticed made new accounts that had the same thing happen... as to why they made new accounts? Not my business or concern.

Who knows? Maybe she worked for a different site in the past, and brought regulars from there. Like I said, I only checked her out sporadically. That happens. Some do the same if they leave MFC for another site, take their regs with them.

But there are models on MFC that have followings and regulars, and make money that can't seem to break the 3k camscore mark. There are models who get going fast when they start out, then it slows down and become frustrated when their camscore drops. Some models never seem to pick up but keep camming anyway.

The end result is the same... the whole camscore thing doesn't make sense. Maybe Leo and the other admins have figured this out, hence some of the additions to the site as of late, like model tags, models you may like, most popular rooms, and the thing that seems to be gone of showing how many people in each room on the homepage (it is still in the menu link, though). Maybe it's their way to try and get other models noticed besides just the top models. I don't know. I don't know how Leo thinks... I just wish I had had the thought about making the site before he did.

 

[SoTxBob]

:crybaby:

Have you read about or tried to figure out how camscore (probably) work?
Can you come up with 1 completely (objectively) legitimate reason why MFC would want to implement such a feature?

I dont think MFC ever boost the camscore of pornstars or superstar models just by changing the number. I think they pay them a set amount just to appear on the site, thus increasing their camscore. Is that unfair?

That being said I agree that there are too many members who only roam the top 1-3 rows of models.

As for "too many members who only roam the top 1-3 rows of models" being very true.... I sadly know many models that do the same trying to "grab the golden ring" by imitation instead of being themselves.

When I first started wandering the halls of MFC, I was told by a HC porn star that had just started here that she was given a 10k cs 'bump' simply bc she was accomplished in the industry. More recently, that practice seems to have stopped. I asked Angelina Crow and Sophie Moone when they both started and they said it wasn't offered any more as far as they knew.

As for the "values" that UncleThursday seems to think acceptable for goals, I'd love to see your bargain basement ass taking it off for nickles and dimes... :lol: :lol: I know I wouldn't do it for cheap either ... :-D
$100 a day isn't shit unless you live in the middle of nowhere or work at McD's.
I don't find it outrageous at all when a girl has some pride or self worth and doesn't give it all away for less than a cup of coffee at Starbucks. That said... when its a new studio girl and its obvious shes got a bogus score bought by the studio shills,... then sure. She has a learning experience coming very soon.

With all the times I've seen butt hurt beggars and cheapskates guys here say "Leo must be boning so-n-so for her to get that score," he'd have to be mainlining Viagra to keep up... and wow, think of all the frequent flyer miles racked up continent hopping like that. :laughing-rolling: Harkens back to another absurdity when a certain "agent that shall not be named" said she was his wife....
Some people just need a good smack upside the head and told to get real....

 

[Anonymous]

It's easy for members to say "Models worry about their cam score too much," but a model is SUPPOSED to care somewhat about her cam score while she's having a good time on cam. It has to be balanced out. Obviously, it's not a good idea for a model to spend her entire cam session complaining about a cam score, but at the same time it's not wise for her to stay on cam all night (with nothing but $5 in her pocket to show for it) just because guys are whining "Don't leave, bb...I just got here!" :lol:

Back when my cam score was in the 400s, I used to have interesting conversations in public chat with cool guys, but it was like pulling teeth to get tokens, and I stayed on cam longer than I should've. I remember telling myself that I was gonna quit MFC if my cam score got any lower than 400+. I worked hard to get that cam score up, and it's currently at 1318.5.

I love having a room full of guys who are talking to me, but let's be real here...if I've been on cam for 2 hours straight and still haven't gotten to my 500-token goal for topless, that's just shitty, and yes, I will be logging out and logging onto one of the other sites instead.

As for the comments about what a model's goal should be...for some models $100/day is awesome, and to others $100/day might be considered a bad day.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I get the need for CamScore but the whole "stay on too long and your CamScore drops" thing strikes me as counter-productive.
For models who aren't getting tipped up the wazoo, it means that even if they're enjoying themselves and WANT to stay on cam for a while longer, they know that they can't do that without worrying about their CamScore dropping.
For (tipping) members, that means there's less models online at any one time for them to hang out with, get to know, and ultimately tip.
For MFC, that means less money in the long run.

Nobody seems to benefit from that particular aspect of the CamScore thang.

 

[Anonymous]

I get the need for CamScore but the whole "stay on too long and your CamScore drops" thing strikes me as counter-productive.
For models who aren't getting tipped up the wazoo, it means that even if they're enjoying themselves and WANT to stay on cam for a while longer, they know that they can't do that without worrying about their CamScore dropping.
For (tipping) members, that means there's less models online at any one time for them to hang out with, get to know, and ultimately tip.
For MFC, that means less money in the long run.

Nobody seems to benefit from that particular aspect of the CamScore thang.

Yup. Without camscore, I'd be willing to stay on cam 2 - 3x's longer (while my son is asleep) as long as the tokens kept coming in frequently.

 

[Nordling]

The discussion about $100 being unrealistic reminds me of the begging, non-tipper who demands some activity of a model ("show feet bb") and when she asks for him to tip, he says, "you have enough tokens already." <ban> lol

 

[AmberCutie]

Yup. Without camscore, I'd be willing to stay on cam 2 - 3x's longer ... as long as the tokens kept coming in frequently.

Same here. It would be nice to focus on my token goals and stay on long enough to finish them instead of having to decide when it's time to give up for the day to save my score from eating itself. Sometimes I feel bad how quickly I run off after people have helped me with the last bit of my goal, too. I'd be able to comfortably hang out with my heroes if there was no camscore ticking like a time bomb.

 

[LovelyBelle]

The MFC camscore scheme and formula is largely the way it is because they DON'T want models staying logged on talking to regulars. They want models to be about the bottom line: making tokens. The reason behind this is that MFC is the one who has to pay for the bandwidth it takes to stream thousands of models.

 

[Bocefish]

I was kinda hoping the whole Miss MFC and scamscore thing would eventually fade away, but with the everyday influx of new competitive models... it's too much of an ongoing cash cow for MFC. As a long time premium, MFC was sooooo much more enjoyable before those were so important. I'd guess the same from the model's perspective too. Just the addition of those two things has probably tripled the income for MFC.

 

[mynameisbob84]

The MFC camscore scheme and formula is largely the way it is because they DON'T want models staying logged on talking to regulars. They want models to be about the bottom line: making tokens. The reason behind this is that MFC is the one who has to pay for the bandwidth it takes to stream thousands of models.

Sadly, that does make sense.
This is why capitalism is poopy

 

[AmberCutie]

The MFC camscore scheme and formula is largely the way it is because they DON'T want models staying logged on talking to regulars. They want models to be about the bottom line: making tokens. The reason behind this is that MFC is the one who has to pay for the bandwidth it takes to stream thousands of models.

Yes, that IS the unfortunate truth. If a model isn't pulling in money for them, they are wasting resources. (Which sounds mean, but business-wise it's smart and totally justified.)

How is that realistic in your opinion when you are not the one exposing yourself on the internet? You can not compare this to a "regular hourly job" because it simply is not. And a model has to take from the $100 her federal taxes as well as self employment taxes (which you do not have to pay at a vanilla job), health insurance (which private is much more expensive), internet, 401k or an IRA which she does not receive matching on from an "employer", etc. etc.

Yes, you may have to work longer for that, but you aren't fucking your holes online for it. Why is it because someone working a vanilla job has to work longer should that mean cam models should be happy "making what someone at an hourly job" makes. I am really tired of members suggesting "well I have to work x hours to make as much as she does in 4, thus she should just be happy with that." How long it takes you or anyone else to make what a cam model makes has nothing to do with anything.

There are some people who will never understand or accept this concept. Risky jobs deserve a certain level of payout. If we feel that $100 is not enough to expose ourselves to all these things for a set of hours, then that's that. If a person doesn't feel we deserve it, then they also don't deserve our time and attention. Now, of course there's a tactful way to go about stating our "prices" and why we feel we deserve it. I wouldn't recommend being like "fuck you, pay me" unless it's understood that it's a joke. :mrgreen:

Also, it's tough to remind these people who don't think they should pay for our time that the entertainment we provide is a luxury, and not a necessity for them. If you WANT a Starbucks coffee, but can't afford it, you don't just ask for and get a free/discounted Starbucks coffee. If you WANT a camshow and a nice wank from a cam girl, but you can't afford it, you shouldn't expect/ask get a free or discounted camshow because of your wallet's status.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Indeed. If you hire an independent contractor to do some work for you, you pay the quoted price. If you feel that price is too high or you feel you could get the same work done cheaper elsewhere, you can always not hire them. But you can't reasonably expect someone to set THEIR prices in line with what YOU feel is the "correct" amount, ya know?