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trishhh said:
Yesterday I heard terrible truth lol, namely, that not every model can earn 50k$ a month.. ''there are not enough money which are spending here'' haha... I felt like greedy bitch. I don't want to be second DarlingMegan or CrazySysy... Camscore between 5-7,000 would be perfet 4 me. But they already judged me lol...
But NVM.

No, not everyone can earn thousands upon thousands every month but girls that work really hard, consistently long hours for a really long time (months and months into years and years) will have a bigger fanbase and an easier time achieving huge goals.

trishhh said:
Is important to log at the same hours everyday??

Yes.

trishhh said:
How much would it change if I were coming everyday let's say exactly from 8 - 10 pm ? Would they (members) get used to that? ''Oh it's her time, she should be there, I'm coming in'' ? I mean...to accumulate all regulars to concrete hours. Make sense??

It's hard to say exactly how much it would change for one person. Some people get numerous members from the start, some have to work at it a bit more. Logging in every day, at the same time, for roughly the same amount of time will only help you. I cannot stress enough how important it is to be consistent.
 
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I am tempted to write the camscore equation given above into correct mathematical notation.

Then it can be displayed, alone in a thread, leaving those who didn't pay attention in high school scratching their heads :D
 
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trishhh said:
Just have a questions and I'm curious what You think about this..
Is important to log at the same hours everyday?? How much would it change if I were coming everyday let's say exactly from 8 - 10 pm ? Would they (members) get used to that? ''Oh it's her time, she should be there, I'm coming in'' ? I mean...to accumulate all regulars to concrete hours. Make sense??

Consistency is important in maintaining or raising your camscore, yes. Consistency potentially brings regulars. Regulars (generally) tend to tip/group/private when they can.

A lack of consistency is a reason some studio models have widely fluctuating camscores. Because they don't make their own schedules, the studio schedules them in shifts. Though, higher earning girls at those studios can get leeway on their schedules, or even be allowed to log in from home.

But for a non-studio model, randomly popping online won't lead to much attention. If people see you on the homepage at around the same time on the same days each week (it doesn't HAVE to be every day), then they have a bigger chance of deciding to visit your room.

But, just as a warning, you have to take timezones into account, too. If you're West coast and show up at 10PM every night, you might not get the East coast people, as it is 1 AM there. But vice versa is also apt, because if you log on at 10PM Eastern, the West coast people might not yet be online. And then there's Europe and Australia and their time zones, too.

But, the more consistent you are in logging on, the better your chances are of raising your camscore (which also means a higher income, generally).
 
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Pretty much all of my model friends (and I have a lot) come online at a consistent time. If your fans never know when to find you, they will not be there when you get online.
 
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LadyLuna said:
AmberCutie said:
I'll type it again.

Camscore is based off of TPH (tokens per hour) over a 60-day average, as well as the average of the TPH of all models on the site. The last time the average on the site was calculated, it was roughly 385 TPH, which would equal about a 1000 camscore.


This was JUST posted on the page right before this. It's the last time I'm going to repeat it.

so I'll repeat it once more for the people who can't do word problems :p

Camscore =

Most recent average of all camgirls was 385, so put that as the very bottom number.

Then multiply the answer you get by 1000.

According to this formula MY camscore should be at about 6303.47 but at the moment, it's at 5732. So using algebra I worked backwards to figure out what the "385" should be based on my figures, my guess at the 60 day average of all camgirls (per hour) is around: 423.35 tokens (correct as of: 15 September 2012).

A camscore of 1,000 = 423 tokens/hr
A camscore of 5,000 = 2117 tokens/hr
A camscore of 10,000 = 4234 tokens/hr

Sound about right? If someone else can work out their TPH and check my 423.35 figure is correct, we'll have actually cracked it!
 
Countessa said:
LadyLuna said:
AmberCutie said:
I'll type it again.

Camscore is based off of TPH (tokens per hour) over a 60-day average, as well as the average of the TPH of all models on the site. The last time the average on the site was calculated, it was roughly 385 TPH, which would equal about a 1000 camscore.


This was JUST posted on the page right before this. It's the last time I'm going to repeat it.

so I'll repeat it once more for the people who can't do word problems :p

Camscore =

Most recent average of all camgirls was 385, so put that as the very bottom number.

Then multiply the answer you get by 1000.

According to this formula MY camscore should be at about 6303.47 but at the moment, it's at 5732. So using algebra I worked backwards to figure out what the "385" should be based on my figures, my guess at the 60 day average of all camgirls (per hour) is around: 423.35 tokens (correct as of: 15 September 2012).

A camscore of 1,000 = 423 tokens/hr
A camscore of 5,000 = 2117 tokens/hr
A camscore of 10,000 = 4234 tokens/hr

Sound about right? If someone else can work out their TPH and check my 423.35 figure is correct, we'll have actually cracked it!

Average tokens per hour is going to continuously change. I would not be surprised if it goes up a little every month.
 
Last time average tokens per hour on the site was calculated? When was this, and where was it published? Haven't seen any data about how much all models earned during a pay period coupled with the actual time online for all models...
 
Zoomer said:
Last time average tokens per hour on the site was calculated? When was this, and where was it published? Haven't seen any data about how much all models earned during a pay period coupled with the actual time online for all models...
It's something we models have calculated. It hasn't been discussed in detail outside of models only forum. ;)
 
I don't want to be the bitch with an itch but my cam rate dropped from 20.000+ to 5600 now in a year ... yet I don't make much less money ....... do some more hours but that is about it .... Based on the calculated average which seems to work for a lot of models my 3200 tokens an hr average should mean a cam rate between 8000-9000 ... a bit off is fine by me .... no problem with that but 2500-3000 off seems a bit like much ....
Or do they just really don't like me at MFC ?

Does this calculation also mean that J... S.... with almost 60.000 cam rate makes 24.000 plus tokens per hr/ $1200? hahahaha.
Because for my book I did some checking in rooms and in my equations over a period of 4 weeks she made not more than 4.000 an hour average.... So that means 50-60.000 offline tips every day ? hmmmmm....... this would also mean that models I see doing 8hrs plus a day on MFC and having 25.000 cam rates are doing 10.000 tokens an hour? 70-80.000 tokens a day ? Yet they are not near the top 3 that do those numbers . Not in their room , I can vouch for that , but with huge offline tips ...where do those come from ? I better don't say anything .....

So yes maybe for the majority of models the calculation might work , for me it somehow does not work ...as there is a huge gap between what my cam rate should be, based on the calculation method and what it is ....... But happy for anyone that can work with it ...

I would love to hear some of the current 'top girls' explaining me based on the cam rate calculation that they are actually 'making' 10-25.000 tokens per hour ..... Because that is what this calculation method comes out to. And why they get up to 70% of their tokens outside of their room ...
 
MilaMilan said:
I don't want to be the bitch with an itch but my cam rate dropped from 20.000+ to 5600 now in a year ... yet I don't make much less money ....... do some more hours but that is about it .... Based on the calculated average which seems to work for a lot of models my 3200 tokens an hr average should mean a cam rate between 8000-9000 ... a bit off is fine by me .... no problem with that but 2500-3000 off seems a bit like much ....
Or do they just really don't like me at MFC ?

Does this calculation also mean that J... S.... with almost 60.000 cam rate makes 24.000 plus tokens per hr/ $1200? hahahaha.
Because for my book I did some checking in rooms and in my equations over a period of 4 weeks she made not more than 4.000 an hour average.... So that means 50-60.000 offline tips every day ? hmmmmm....... this would also mean that models I see doing 8hrs plus a day on MFC and having 25.000 cam rates are doing 10.000 tokens an hour? 70-80.000 tokens a day ? Yet they are not near the top 3 that do those numbers . Not in their room , I can vouch for that , but with huge offline tips ...where do those come from ? I better don't say anything .....

So yes maybe for the majority of models the calculation might work , for me it somehow does not work ...as there is a huge gap between what my cam rate should be, based on the calculation method and what it is ....... But happy for anyone that can work with it ...

I would love to hear some of the current 'top girls' explaining me based on the cam rate calculation that they are actually 'making' 10-25.000 tokens per hour ..... Because that is what this calculation method comes out to. And why they get up to 70% of their tokens outside of their room ...
The amount it takes to maintain a base camscore of 1000 is consistently rising. If the last posted observation was true, then it currently takes over 400 tokens an hour to hit a camscore of 1000.

Also remember that the average of all models on MFC does have an effect. That is a variable none of us have access to, and it does shift the numbers a bit.

If you are comfortable, you could send your total minutes online and total tokens earned stats for the last sixty days to myself or another model who can help, and we can double-check the math to see what's going on. I have found Amber's equation to be very accurate for myself so hopefully MFC isn't making an "exception" for you!
 
Only the model will ever actually know how many tokens per hour she is making, and how she made it.

Even when she's online, if she's in group and someone is watching a certain way, they don't get counted anywhere except in the model's earnings. If she's in private, there's the spies, and they don't show up anywhere but in the spy tokens (and if they start talking in public chat thinking the model can read it). If she's in public, there's ninja tips. That's three ways for a model to earn tokens while online that no one but the model can see.
 
We have already pretty much figured out how the extremely high camscores happen. Lots of tokens and very minimal time "online". Yes there are some girls making 10,000-20,000+ per hour.

The average TPH of the site could fluctuate daily. I only calculate it at the end of a month just because that's easiest for me the way I track my stats.

I know it's fun for some to try and dig deeper into it and throw together conspiracy theories. But it really is somewhat simple and proven by many of our stats and calculations. If we just keep in mind that our score will fluctuate due to things outside of our control (since its based on an average of all the 1,000's of girls on the site) we don't have to be fretting about the symantics of it all the time.

Ultimately, just doing the best we can to maximize token income and minimize time spent online (or say fuck the camscore and just earn as many tokens as we can in whatever hours we want) is all we need to focus on. Time spent on conspiracy theories won't do anything positive for us and only takes energy away from more productive things in our lives.
 
Amber I don't do conspiracy theories... I talk about cold hard facts .. Girls being online 4-8 hrs a day supposedly making 25.000 tokens and hour ... because that is what we are talking about . A conspiracy theory is what it says > a theory .

What I am talking about are pure cold facts. I will show the proof I have in my book that a lot of these models and their insane cam rates have nothing to do with loving fans and die hard devotees but with something which has been infiltrating the cam world since the last 2 years. These girls don't even get 5% of what they 'make' because they are in actual fact not making anything and are interchangeable per month as we have seen the last 12 months particularly.

That the cam rate calculations here will be correct for most cam girls I do not doubt. That these 'top girls' actually get these token amounts in I know for sure as I have it black on white. The question is that when the tokens a model gets come for 90% from 5 accounts owned by the same organisation/structure you still can speak of an honest competition or an honest way of calculating a cam rate . As these enormous amounts of tokens mostly given offline and creating huge cam rates automatically also maken the token amount per hour higher for ALL GIRLS. So the fact that there is manipulation at the top has direct consequences for all models > you need more tokens per hour to keep your cam rate at the same level.

I have no problem when models are OK with this concept and I personally have given up on worrying too much about the cam rate ...as it is what it is . But ignoring the obvious facts and ignoring 60K ( 25.000tokens per hour average ? for a girl online 4-6 hrs a day) and even 108K cam rates ( yes an astounding 45.000 tokens per hr ) is also closing your eyes for the evil that has been creeping into the cam and adult industry the last years ever since our friends at the FBI closed down a lot of online gambling sites. Its just my opinion and at least I opened my mouth.

Again I think the calculation system will probably be correct for most girls , it is not for me .. just a statement of fact.
 
AmberCutie said:
Ultimately, just doing the best we can to maximize token income and minimize time spent online (or say fuck the camscore and just earn as many tokens as we can in whatever hours we want) is all we need to focus on.

:thumbleft:
bravo.....the final solution :)
whatever may be happening in the penthouses of camland are beyond the control of us commonfolk....it is a simple truth in all walks of life.
 
Given that this thread has turned more into arguing about things and ranting about theories, I'm going to go ahead and lock it and start a new stickied one in the models only section with the basic information.

I'd like this to be a helpful place for models, and all the great posts about how it actually works are lost amid the back-and-forth arguing and quite a bit of repeated questions and nonsense, and it's probably more confusing than informative at this point.

I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another, but we have already dissected the way the girls with the over 50k camscores get them. MyCamGirl and Zoomer have been nice enough to lend their stats knowledge to that conversation as well. To most of us, it's old news now. I'm sure people will still love to read about it in your book, Mila (and I know you were away from these forums for a long while), but here at ACF it's been put to rest.

And the model who originally helped us figure out the calculations has over a 20k camscore. I've heard from both lower scored models, as well as mid and high scored models that they did the math and that it works and makes sense. Since the average of all models fluctuates all throughout every day, it is understandable to come up a little off (anywhere from 20 to 200 or so). If it is off more than that, you may need to look at the way you've followed your stats (exact tokens and exact hours for the past 60 calendar days) and see if you're off by a day or something. (I'm trying to nicely say "just because your math didn't come out correct doesn't mean all the rest of us are wrong" but there's not really a nice way to say that I guess? ;) )

In closing on this epicly long thread, I'd like to say thanks to everyone who actually read through, and those who took the information and used it positively. It doesn't do me (nor any camgirl) any personal benefit to share their knowledge of how the camscore calculations work, but since it's always been such a mystery, it's nice to know it's actually pretty simple.

Regardless of any super-high camscore girls achieving their numbers in a shady way....
Regardless of how anyone feels about self or studio tipping...
Regardless of if anyone feels certain girls "deserve" the camscores they have...
Regardless of if we visually see girls getting tips... (though I'll advise that spying on other girls and taking notes about how shady their token income seems is not helpful to yourself or others. Unless your focus is on writing a book...)
Regardless of if your camscore was much higher 2+ years ago...

...Regardless of any of that, camscore really is pretty damned simple: Tokens per hour over a 60 calendar day average, based on the average of all active models on the site. If a model sees her score drop drastically all of a sudden, chances are she can look at the calendar and 61 days ago was a great token day, which has just fallen off of her average.

It's not a mystery anymore.

Once I have a new thread up and running, I'll link it here, but only verified models will be able to click through. I will keep the new thread trimmed up and neat so that it is helpful instead of ranty.
 
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