Camming to be featured in Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On

[Guy]

If they are overreaching, they could be opening themselves up to a vicious counterattack.

Look at how XHamster is responding to the situation.
https://xhamster.com/blog/posts/653708

 

[swagger]

Look at how XHamster is responding to the situation.
https://xhamster.com/blog/posts/653708

The irony.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/opinions/218659

"We are witnessing the early stages of a moral panic, the likes of which we have not seen since the Reagan Administration."

He thinks we are in a moral panic Guy. Maybe we are.

I guess the difference is that we cam models only put our stuff out there into the adult market, whereas Netflix is a hugely mainstream market and exposes us to people that may not have found us ordinarily.

People still think of things like adult/mainstream as separate Guy. But the internet doesn't work that way -- for now. And kids don't think that way.

This is what I was trying to get at before, when I mentioned advertising on Twitter, Tumblr, or Periscope. Those aren't part of the adult market, I'd say they're firmly mainstream just like Netflix. Can we use this argument if we are willingly putting ourselves on mainstream channels in hopes of being noticed by people who wouldn't have found us otherwise?

Do you think GenXoxo is right here Guy?

Nobody knows what will happen one way or the other. Maybe nothing. Maybe a serious crackdown on adult material on mainstream websites like twitter/tumbler/periscope. Maybe a serious crackdown on other sites...

Look at how XHamster is responding to the situation.
https://xhamster.com/blog/posts/653708

...that also make adult content available to minors.

Just speculation. I maintain that Effy Elizabeth's footage was intentionally chosen. I know if a troll like me was in Rashida Jones' shoes, that's what I would have done.

We will see.

The irony.

I hear they also opening a homeless shelter and a food pantry for out of work pornstars.

 

[Ambers Troll]

How accurate this is, idk. Can't really sit through enough of it to make up my mind.
Most days I despise living in the United States of JerrySpringer. Leave it to the BBC to make me briefly grateful

The BBC documentaries are the ones that I am used to regarding camgirls. They are good TV, usually set to the daily drama of each subject. The members play little role in the drama aside from the occasional freaky request.
Most of these show how much real world issues disrupt their work life and how much time performers put into their time on cam.

One of the directors of HGW directed a 2012 documentary called
Sexy Baby.

There is much about this documentary worth watching. Discussing sexuality in developing teens, body image, sexuality and media is a very sensitive topic. It really does capture the storm of events that is puberty for girls, but will skip all that to only speak of the sex worker content in the documentary.

The adult industry worker talks about content, describing how it is meant for adults not the education of children. She describes the difference between sex with her husband and the making of content.
To paraphrase the making of content, it is basically sport fucking, and what looks best on camera. It is not what feels best to either performer most times, much of it is about discovering what you can do. There is nothing wrong with this, she has her sport fucking moments with her husband too. Obviously those still learning about their sexuality would be mistaken if they think that this is typical, and should slow down, find out more about their sexuality before exploring this type of content i.e. it is for adults.

This performer did question the way videos such as 'girls gone wild', were made in terms of how the content was produced. Fair comment IMO.

Most of what the documentary showed on the adult performer was her home life, nothing sensational or titillating. She or her husband didn't seem misrepresented.
Additionally; the parents of the 12-14 year old girl being the main focus of the documentary were liberal about sex, not disparaging of porn or free expressions of sexuality. They were good parents, a very normal household, and the documentary wasn't sensational.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

The BBC documentaries are the ones that I am used to regarding camgirls. They are good TV, usually set to the daily drama of each subject. The members play little role in the drama aside from the occasional freaky request.

Mainly it was the background music and the narrators voice that make that one unwatchable for me.

Idk, makes me imagine some 90 year old getting their jollies watching it while they have tea.

 

[EspiKvlt]

Look at how XHamster is responding to the situation.
https://xhamster.com/blog/posts/653708

Facepalming Xhamster's hypocrisy, not you.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Facepalming Xhamster's hypocrisy, not you.

The sheer chutzpah of Xhamster complaining about anybody ripping of sex workers content without their permission is making me ill.

 

[AudriTwo]

$150....


Probably hours of my ripped content. Please.

 

[Puffin]

"As the trade association of the adult industry, we take issues of privacy violations and exploited labor seriously." - FSC

 

[justjoinedtopost]

https://avn.com/business/articles/v...cusses-hot-girls-wanted-turned-on-727879.html

Rayne makes a much better case. To be expected I guess, considering her professional demeanor. Not to mention showing her apartment number is a little different than a few seconds of periscope.

What about wikipedia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bree_Olson

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

https://avn.com/business/articles/v...cusses-hot-girls-wanted-turned-on-727879.html

Rayne makes a much better case. To be expected I guess, considering her professional demeanor. Not to mention showing her apartment number is a little different than a few seconds of periscope.

What about wikipedia?

Ya, they were clearly sloppy in protecting privacy for a number of the girls. Showing an apartment number is definitely in a different league than anonymous periscope. I stand by my contention that Effy and Autumn suffered no harm and their twitter storm coupled with the hatred of Rashida Jones, resulted in the industry prejudging this documentary on perceptions rather than reality.
I am far more forgiving of the sin of omission than sins of commission. So not blurring faces when showing the SM homepage, is sloppy but not immoral. On the other hand lying to several people about Rashida's involvement, that's just plain wrong and makes it impossible for me to defend them anymore.
Bailey said it best

“I feel bad we don’t look perfect in the documentary, but we don’t have a perfect industry either, no industry is,” Rayne says. “People are people. We can criticize them for the stupid mistakes like not censoring legal names, but I think the stories themselves are accurate—in my episode at least.”
To change the stigma associated with sex work is going to require more exposure to the general public to how the business works, in order for people to accept that SWers are just people also.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Rayne first made contact with the producers in December of 2015 and originally was slated to be part of Episode 5 titled “Take Me Private.”

“I was actually supposed to do the cam girl episode, where I fly out and meet a member for the first time, but I couldn’t find a member to do it—nobody wanted their face on camera which I can understand,” Rayne says.

I find it really bizarre that they wanted to orchestrate a meeting between a camgirl and member for the camgirl episode. What purpose does that fulfill, aside from hoping some drama comes out of it? Sounds like reality show staged drama in my opinion.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Sounds like reality show staged drama in my opinion.

Exactly what I thought when I read that. Also a big part of the reason I haven't been able to choke my way through the entire meetup ep. 5 yet.

Ya, they were clearly sloppy in protecting privacy for a number of the girls. Showing an apartment number is definitely in a different league than anonymous periscope. I stand by my contention that Effy and Autumn suffered no harm and their twitter storm coupled with the hatred of Rashida Jones, resulted in the industry prejudging this documentary on perceptions rather than reality.
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To change the stigma associated with sex work is going to require more exposure to the general public to how the business works, in order for people to accept that SWers are just people also.

Agreed about Effy and Autumn. If you want to make a sound argument here, their SW complaints need to be excluded (different if you want to make the case that any faces from periscope shouldn't have been shown).

Gia Paige, still on the fence. HGW showed it, but truthfully SHE was using her own first name on a FB account that had her clearly listed as working at Hussie Models. Maybe the producers did lie to her at some point (shit move); but if the issue is real names, kind of hard to take someone seriously when it looks like they don't give a shit about it themselves.

The Rashida Jones hate thing, I still don't get.

 

[MFCuser]

What are people'e thoughts on them showing Bailey Rayne's high tipper list with the number of tokens tipped? I for one as a member would not have been comfortable with that.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Two of the filmmakers finally gave their side of their story.

The creators of Netflix’s “Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On” are countering complaints that the documentary series features sex workers who did not consent to their inclusion.

In an interview with Variety, filmmakers Jill Bauer and Ronna Gradus defended their series, saying they adhered to standards of documentary filmmaking and fair use.

“The narrative has kind of become hijacked, that we exposed sex workers and that we put them in danger by telling the world that they were sex workers, when in fact we never ever did that,” Gradus said.

Released to largely positive reviews April 21, “Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On” explores intersections of sex, commerce, and technology. Netflix commissioned the series after acquiring and releasing Bauer and Gradus’ feature documentary about the porn industry, “Hot Girls Wanted,” in 2015. Both projects were executive produced by Bauer and Gradus, as well as actor Rashida Jones.

Shortly after its premiere, several women and men featured in “Turned On” took to Twitter to denounce the series. One porn actress claimed that filmmakers had promised her that she would not be featured in the series. Two other women claimed that footage from their Periscope feed was used without their permission.

Bauer and Gradus dismiss the former claim as false and the latter as misleading.

Criticism against the series began mounting April 22, after two female webcam performers known online as Effy Elizabeth and Autumn Kay said on Twitter that they were shown in one episode without being notified ahead of time or providing consent.
...

They confirm what I've been saying for a long time that the producers had no idea who Effy or Autumn were.

The footage of Elizabeth and Kay is shown near the beginning of the series’ sixth episode, “Don’t Stop Filming,” which tells the story of a woman who allegedly broadcast the rape of her friend on Twitter-owned live-streaming service Periscope. Elizabeth and Kay are featured in a segment at the beginning of the episode that explains how Periscope works and what type of content is available to view on it. They are onscreen for nine seconds.

Bauer and Gradus argue that because Elizabeth and Kay broadcast the footage on Periscope, fair-use doctrine and the app’s terms of service protect its inclusion in a documentary. Nowhere in the episode are Elizabeth and Kay identified.

“They saw themselves, and then on Twitter, as themselves, using their own handles, tweeted out, ‘Oh my God, we’re on Netflix. Oh my God nobody told us. Oh my God, we’re sex workers and they’ve just shown us on Netflix,'” Gradus said. “So the great irony here is that they identified themselves as sex workers. And really that is a key piece of information that has been lost in this story.” She added, “We didn’t know who they were. We never would have known, the viewers never would have known, unless they themselves identified themselves.”

There is more in the article. A few comments, this is exactly the conclusion that I came to very early. The Kay and Autumn over-reacted and there was no harm done just a lot of drama that caused sex workers to prejudge the series negatively. The producer do come across as being real tone deaf and insensitive to the issues of sex workers. First, why is their only response to Variety, nothing scream Hollywood more than Variety magazine, why not give interviews to AVN news? I do not think Gia came across all that badly, but the "They signed a contract defense works when you are dealing with experienced actors or celebrities", not with young people who've never been in the limelight. I'm also inclined to believe the black porn actor who says they didn't tell him Rashida was involved in the project.

 

[Guy]

The Kay and Autumn over-reacted and there was no harm done just a lot of drama that caused sex workers to prejudge the series negatively.

No harm done?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

No harm done?

The initial controversy was about Effy Elizabeth and Autumn Kay. I said there was no harm done to Effy and Autumn.

Now Sweet_Mystery is different. Her face appears, in episode 5 when they showed a home page of Streammates. As I said she has a legitimate beef with the producers, but showing the homepage of camsite is unfortunately common. The sad thing is Sweet_Mystery as BBW girl with only 1,000 followers her tweet was only retweeted twice so she has been basically ignored. Where as pretty thin Effy Elizabeth with 40K followers her exaggerated complaints went viral.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

The initial controversy was about Effy Elizabeth and Autumn Kay. I said there was no harm done to Effy and Autumn.

Now Sweet_Mystery is different. Her face appears, in episode 5 when they showed a home page of Streammates. As I said she has a legitimate beef with the producers, but showing the homepage of camsite is unfortunately common. The sad thing is Sweet_Mystery as BBW girl with only 1,000 followers her tweet was only retweeted twice so she has been basically ignored. Where as pretty thin Effy Elizabeth with 40K followers her exaggerated complaints went viral.

Which frankly, makes this part of it come across as entitled I'm-the-center-of-the-world whining, egging on an infantile high-schoolish clique, asking for special treatment while throwing dirty looks at the Rashida girl who has upset their little herd.

Not saying that is the way it is. I am saying that is how this part of it looks.

 

[xDollPartsx]

Just wanted to(obviously for my own strange reasons that can and will be ignored, and in some cases rightfully so) say that I have enjoyed(well, considering the content enjoyed is an odd term to use but for lack of a better one so be it) the really great expansion of ideas and sharing of views and standpoints in this through most. But also....
Makes me wanna throw up in my mouth....You know what... No. Makes me want to throw up in these idiots mouths... Or poop in their shoes. Or...Ugh that doesn't even make me feel better I just hate this ick feeling in my tummy.you guys are pretty great tho so.
.....The end

 

[MFCuser]

What are people'e thoughts on them showing Bailey Rayne's high tipper list with the number of tokens tipped? I for one as a member would not have been comfortable with that.

I read through this entire thread and was honestly surprised this didnt get mentioned at all. This is a case of actual private information (number of tokens tipped, generally only known to the model and maybe the member if he keeps good records) tied to user names. I wasn't on this list, but did recognize names. If this was my main model who showed this information I would really be pissed.

 

[curvyredhead]

I read through this entire thread and was honestly surprised this didnt get mentioned at all. This is a case of actual private information (number of tokens tipped, generally only known to the model and maybe the member if he keeps good records) tied to user names. I wasn't on this list, but did recognize names. If this was my main model who showed this information I would really be pissed.

I honestly did not think about this. And while no real names were shown, I wouldn't blame anyone for being pretty pissed about this, I would probably be as well....at the very least annoyed.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I read through this entire thread and was honestly surprised this didnt get mentioned at all. This is a case of actual private information (number of tokens tipped, generally only known to the model and maybe the member if he keeps good records) tied to user names. I wasn't on this list, but did recognize names. If this was my main model who showed this information I would really be pissed.

It didn't bother me because: Tips are generally public, lots of models keep a high tipper list, Bailey is one of those models, most regulars know who a model's big tippers are (albeit not generally their all time tippers). But most importantly it just showed usernames, no faces, no real names, no connection to real life. Why would this piss you off? Do you think that Bailey's big tippers are going to be treated differently?

Edited Annoyed I understand, but it falls into the general don't let little shit upset you category.

 

[MFCuser]

It didn't bother me because: Tips are generally public, lots of models keep a high tipper list, Bailey is one of those models, most regulars know who a models big tippers are (albeit not generally their all time tippers). But most importantly it just showed usernames, no faces, no real names, no connection to real life. Why would this piss you off? Do you think that Bailey's big tippers are going to be treated differently?

I will admit to having tipped more tokens than is probably responsible, the majority of which were not visible to the chat room (offline, private, whatever). Its just something I would not necessarily want to be publicly tied to my user name.

 

[curvyredhead]

It didn't bother me because: Tips are generally public, lots of models keep a high tipper list, Bailey is one of those models, most regulars know who a model's big tippers are (albeit not generally their all time tippers). But most importantly it just showed usernames, no faces, no real names, no connection to real life. Why would this piss you off? Do you think that Bailey's big tippers are going to be treated differently?

Edited Annoyed I understand, but it falls into the general don't let little shit upset you category.

I understand that, kind of a pick and choose your battles thing.

While it would not be wise to use the same screen name on an adult site as you do with friends/family...I know that many do. I am not putting fault on the members, the model, or even the producers....it's just an unfortunate possibility.

 

[MFCuser]

It didn't bother me because: Tips are generally public, lots of models keep a high tipper list, Bailey is one of those models, most regulars know who a model's big tippers are (albeit not generally their all time tippers). But most importantly it just showed usernames, no faces, no real names, no connection to real life. Why would this piss you off? Do you think that Bailey's big tippers are going to be treated differently?

Edited Annoyed I understand, but it falls into the general don't let little shit upset you category.

Also, I dont think a lot of members know just how much some of the top tippers tip some of the higher ranked models. Even if I am known as a top tipper in a room, I dont necessarily want people to know exactly how much I have tipped.

 

[Guy]

Thanks to HGW, Gia Paige and her family are now being targeted by a stalker.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/2be47683ce90dc7c40214a586af41391

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Thanks to HGW, Gia Paige and her family are now being targeted by a stalker.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/2be47683ce90dc7c40214a586af41391

Oh please. Do you believe that shit Guy?

I don't.

 

[Guy]

Oh please. Do you believe that shit Guy?

I don't.

Well, sex workers are huge targets for stalkers, so it wouldnt be surprising.

 

[Nikola Tesla]

Well, sex workers are huge targets for stalkers, so it wouldnt be surprising.

source

 

[Guy]

source

Its common knowledge . I think both @AmberCutie and @Booty_4U have brought the fact up on this forum.