Camming to be featured in Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On

[justjoinedtopost]

Notice they quoted me.. I found it a little ironic they didn't contact me. LOL.

omg. you been exploited!

 

[Booty_4U]

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. Maybe we show extend that to all professions, only people who've done a job can produce films, books, tv shows etc. about it So only cops can write about cops, politicians about politicians. Same thing for Orca trainers, the mafia, doctors, astronaut, tobacco executives, rapist, humanitarian, rock stars, tech executive, preachers, cowboys, and drug dealers etc. We'd live in much different and dare say less interesting and empathetic world.

I get the anger of being part of a group. that you think is good but suddenly everybody is making fun of your group, calling you stupid, and evil. There is a natural instinct to be suspicious of outsiders and feel like it is us vs them and become more insular Now, I've never been part of something that I was embarrassed to tell my parents about or been called a slut so I'm sure you all have had it worse.

What profession other than sex work, are the workers depicted as victims, drug addicts, STD spreaders, "damaged" psyche, etc? What other profession is shown in the media, where the workers are routinely found murdered as a joke? It's not about "people made fun of the group I'm a part of!" it's about "hey stop putting dehumanizing shit out there that makes people think it's no big deal to harass and kill people who are part of my group".

Back in the 1980s, there was far more social stigma to being homosexual, than there was to being a sex worker like a stripper or a porn star. Today that's changed and the stigma of being gay is far less than being a sex worker. The polling data, I've seen suggests that being gay is really not a big deal among young people at all.

Why the shift? I think a huge reason is because Gays came out of the closet. Now they didn't all come out at once, only a few brave people did. One of the big ways they did it was cooperating with media. There were a lot of documentaries, newspaper articles, and films, plays and much later TV shows. Many of the media accounts were very anti-gay, especially in the early days of the AIDs epidemic.
One of the consequences of some brave folks coming out in public is that other were outed accidently. Joe is gay, oh he hangs out a lot with Bill, I bet Bill is gay also. Eventually after many decades, and many folks accidently outed, American started to accept that your orientation doesn't define you.

I was a child in the 80's so I have no recollection of sex work ever being acceptable in society, but from what I've read, it seems like the AIDS epidemic in the 80's was a big factor as to why society turned on any/all sex workers. And sex workers HAVE been talking to the media, in documentaries, etc for decades. (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics, Annie Sprinkle, Carol Leigh, etc) Plus during the 80's we there were multiple notorious serial killers (Robert Hansen, the Green River Killer, the Yorkshire Ripper) who specifically targeted sex workers.. I know you said the stigma wasn't so bad for strippers & pornstars, but many strippers and pornstars also did FSSW...

 

[AudriTwo]

omg. you been exploited!

Nahhhh just not really necessary to quote me directly. IMHO.

 

[Guy]

Nahhhh just not really necessary to quote me directly. IMHO.

Look at what the author of the article tweeted.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Look at what the author of the article tweeted.

omg. Kate Lonczak has been exploited!

 

[Shia]

What profession other than sex work, are the workers depicted as victims, drug addicts, STD spreaders, "damaged" psyche, etc? What other profession is shown in the media, where the workers are routinely found murdered as a joke? It's not about "people made fun of the group I'm a part of!" it's about "hey stop putting dehumanizing shit out there that makes people think it's no big deal to harass and kill people who are part of my group".

EXACTLY!
I am open with members about being in a committed relationship. 90% of them don't "understand" how I can have a healthy relationship doing what I do. They consider it cheating/being unfaithful.
I literally had a member in my room last month nearly defending War Machine for what he did to Christy Mack because of her profession

 

[AudriTwo]

Look at what the author of the article tweeted.

lol I saw... And I made fun of that.



Also super nice girl, took down my quote, no questions or buts! Was very respectful of her. +2

 

[justjoinedtopost]

What profession other than sex work, are the workers depicted as victims, drug addicts, STD spreaders, "damaged" psyche, etc?

But what if that is true? Been involved with two sex workers. I was fortunate to dodge any STD's, but the rest of that definitely applied to them.

What other profession is shown in the media, where the workers are routinely found murdered as a joke? It's not about "people made fun of the group I'm a part of!" it's about "hey stop putting dehumanizing shit out there that makes people think it's no big deal to harass and kill people who are part of my group".

Are the jokes the cause of the killings? Or are they the result of them?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I think the difference is that the outraged camgirls want to be portrayed to the public as healthy, functioning members of society. Sex workers are not outraged at the use of content without consent. At least, not primarily. If they were, then Camgirlz would have caught flack years ago when they did the same thing. This scandal is the weak spot in HGW that people are using to poke holes in the entire production, but it is not the motivation behind the anger. The anger stems from how sex work is being painted for the eyes of the public. I have not watched the new series so I cannot speak on it's tone. Does it paint a bleak picture of sex work? Does it leave people feeling sad that sex is traded for money? Does it seem detached and impersonal, showing the exchange of resources without any value judgements? Does it feel hopeful? Does it show sex workers smiling/laughing while they interact with clients AND when they turn the cam off?

I think it comes down to people wanting art to speak for them. Does it serve their purposes or not? I remember my friends and I getting backlash for mentioning drugs in our scene in Camgirlz because other women thought it 'was irresponsible' and 'reinforced negative stereotypes'. I actually remember one girl telling us, "I was hoping to use this documentary as a way of coming out to my parents and now I can't because of you."

I think Kate has nailed it. IMO HGW; Turned on goes into more depth about sex workers, but there is only 1 1/2 episodes about camming. Overall, I think it is pretty balanced some woman like Holly Randall, Erika Lust, and Bailey Rayne are portrayed in a very positive light. It definitely shows that not all people are hurt by sex work but it cause family problems for most and it can harmful to some. Episode 5 about camming, I think is powerful and poignant, and I think it raises some interesting issues about the relationship between members and models worthy of discussion. Jolene like the series, I gather JustToPost doesn't.

I'm surprised and disappointed that some many people are rushing to condemn it without having seen it and people are putting so much energy into attacking something without knowledge. I feel like Miss Lollipop did with 50 shades.. It is $10 and 3 hours.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

What profession other than sex work, are the workers depicted as victims, drug addicts, STD spreaders, "damaged" psyche, etc? What other profession is shown in the media, where the workers are routinely found murdered as a joke? It's not about "people made fun of the group I'm a part of!" it's about "hey stop putting dehumanizing shit out there that makes people think it's no big deal to harass and kill people who are part of my group".


I was a child in the 80's so I have no recollection of sex work ever being acceptable in society, but from what I've read, it seems like the AIDS epidemic in the 80's was a big factor as to why society turned on any/all sex workers. And sex workers HAVE been talking to the media, in documentaries, etc for decades. (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics, Annie Sprinkle, Carol Leigh, etc) Plus during the 80's we there were multiple notorious serial killers (Robert Hansen, the Green River Killer, the Yorkshire Ripper) who specifically targeted sex workers.. I know you said the stigma wasn't so bad for strippers & pornstars, but many strippers and pornstars also did FSSW...

You realize that other professions have negative stereotypes right? Cops are racist, fascist, and power obsessed, soldiers are baby killing murders, who went they get home are just PTSD time bombs waiting to go off and kill everybody, bankers and corporate execs are amoral will do anything for money, politician are power-obssessed habitual liars, with no moral who will do anything to get re-elected. Pedophile, were abused horribly as kids, and now want to do the same to other kids. I am sure if we saw a documentary about pedophiles by pedophiles, they come off in far more positive light, like way they are portrayed on NAMBLA website. But would it be a more accurate picture? I rather doubt it.

No question that prostitution is a dangerous profession, but camming not so much. The AIDS backlash was against the homosexual community far more than sex workers.

 

[JickyJuly]

Realistically, all jobs that are held in majority by women (teachers, clerical, nursing) are disrespected and/or underpaid. Jobs that are traditionally low paying are also disrespected (fast food, janitorial). I'm not saying it's all the same, not at all, but it doesn't do a lot of good to separate ourselves from the other humans that are being let down by society while paying taxes like everyone else. I'd, personally, rather walk into the PTA and say "I'm an online dominatrix" than "I work at McDonalds". Judged either way, and at least if I don't say Mcdonalds they can't tell how broke I am. Hehe.

 

[Booty_4U]

You realize that other professions have negative stereotypes right? Cops are racist, fascist, and power obsessed, soldiers are baby killing murders, who went they get home are just PTSD time bombs waiting to go off and kill everybody, bankers and corporate execs are amoral will do anything for money, politician are power-obssessed habitual liars, with no moral who will do anything to get re-elected. Pedophile, were abused horribly as kids, and now want to do the same to other kids. I am sure if we saw a documentary about pedophiles by pedophiles, they come off in far more positive light, like way they are portrayed on NAMBLA website. But would it be a more accurate picture? I rather doubt it.

Your "examples" are false equivalencies. Comparing pedophiles and "baby killing murderers" to sex workers? No. If you can't see the difference between the harassment cops and bankers get, vs the type of harassment a sex worker gets...

No question that prostitution is a dangerous profession, but camming not so much.

As if there haven't been more than a few cam-only women who've been stalked, blackmailed, kidnapped, etc?? I'm going to assume that since you're not a sex worker, you're truly unaware of how often sex workers are targeted because of our jobs.

The AIDS backlash was against the homosexual community far more than sex workers.

I didn't say anything about the AIDS epidemic stigma being worse for sex workers. What I wrote was reasons I think the why the "pro stripping & pornstar" era of the 80's might have turned sour. In addition, I think gay white cis people were already working in media careers, which paved the way for gay (cis) people being represented in mainstream media, but sex workers historically haven't had that type of media/social power... gay cis people working as actors, writers, directors, etc already had the perfect platform to put themselves in a positive light and reach nearly all of North America. Second-wave feminism also had a big part in turning people against sex work! And yet many sex workers have been vocal about the discrimination we face! Plus lots of us are "out" to our friends and families (not that it's seemed to make much difference socially...)

 

[Fatquack]

Salena Storm Discusses 'Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On'
MyFreeCams Model Says Documentary Doesn't Paint Complete Picture:
https://avn.com/business/articles/t...cusses-hot-girls-wanted-turned-on-727425.html

 

[AudriTwo]

Salena Storm Discusses 'Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On'
MyFreeCams Model Says Documentary Doesn't Paint Complete Picture:
https://avn.com/business/articles/t...cusses-hot-girls-wanted-turned-on-727425.html

Well I think they had an agenda after reading all the lies the creators told the models and industry reps involved. Really left out a truly inspiring story with Salena's.


also incase anyone miss: more apparent lies?

 

[Lorelei]

Look at what the author of the article tweeted.

For the record, Elizabeth Nolan Brown is an established sex-work-positive journalist who is well respected by SW activists. I tweeted at her about HGW the day the thing about Effy and Autumn's predicament came to light (and perhaps I alerted her to the story, who knows). I've got no clue who the author of the other article is and I think it's a little weirdly judgmental of her to claim ENB plagiarized her title. Not saying respected journalists can't plagiarize from unknowns, but this seems pretty coincidental and unintended. If nothing else, kind of rude on the part of the lesser-known journalist to call out a respected colleague.

 

[Guy]

Found another article. https://newrepublic.com/article/142274/netflixs-hot-girls-wanted-demeans-women-wants-empower

 

[AudriTwo]

Found another article. https://newrepublic.com/article/142274/netflixs-hot-girls-wanted-demeans-women-wants-empower

Guy, you didn't do your homework. I wasn't joking. We really want you to explain yourself more. I would love to hear more of your opinions. If you could take 5 minutes and give a brief summary of what you read and your take on it. At most 6 sentences.

 

[Guy]

Guy, you didn't do your homework. I wasn't joking. We really want you to explain yourself more. I would love to hear more of your opinions. If you could take 5 minutes and give a brief summary of what you read and your take on it. At most 6 sentences.

Im not trying to give my opinion. Im trying to contribute to this discussion by forwarding articles about the situation with HGW.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Found another article. https://newrepublic.com/article/142274/netflixs-hot-girls-wanted-demeans-women-wants-empower

Got a good game of Telephone going on with some of these articles. This one does go a little more in the direction of what @GenXoxo might be the real reason for the complaints with the series.

As far as the claims of outing real id's, I honestly feel at this point Gia Page, Effy Elizabeth, and Autumn Kayy are more responsible for that than anybody, to whatever degree it supposedly happened.

Based just on this issue, Rashida/other producers are sounding much more "empowered" than the outing "victims" (or at least the way they are being portrayed by the tabloid links I am seeing).

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Im not trying to give my opinion. Im trying to contribute to this discussion by forwarding articles about the situation with HGW.

You do understand that is exactly what people are complaining about, right?

 

[AudriTwo]

Im not trying to give my opinion. Im trying to contribute to this discussion by forwarding articles about the situation with HGW.

So can you give a summary on them? I'm all for you contributing to the discussion. We want you too! Maybe your thoughts on any more evidence they bring to the table? Some of them are kinda on repeating the same shit we already know and discussed.

 

[heybarkeep]

Your "examples" are false equivalencies.

I seriously can't believe that you of all people could say this with a straight face. Like holy shit man lol. Thank you lady.

In spite of the aggressive lack of self awareness and comical hypocrisy, this thread is still quite educational.

Found another article. https://newrepublic.com/article/142274/netflixs-hot-girls-wanted-demeans-women-wants-empower

The producers of the porn documentary have been accused of handling the identities of several performers with gross recklessness.
BY JOSEPHINE LIVINGSTONE
April 26, 2017
Where is the line between “fair use” in the legal sense and ethical transgression? As Vocativ reported on Monday, several adult performers have accused the producers of the Netflix documentary series Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On—which is meant to be a sympathetic window into the porn industry—of featuring them without their consent. In one case, the performer’s legal first name was revealed on screen after the producers found her Facebook page.

Gia Paige alleges that she signed a participant release form, then changed her mind about appearing on camera, asking the producers, who include the star Rashida Jones, to cut her. She remained in the final edit. Furthermore, she alleges that the producers used an image of her Facebook page, which at that time included her real first name, without her permission: a dangerous betrayal for a professional at risk of stalking.

The documentary also features cam performers Effy Elizabeth and Autumn Kayy in a Periscope clip. Although the clip is accessible to the public, Elizabeth told Vocativ that having it streamed by Netflix is a different matter. “Everyone is on Netflix,” she said, suggesting that the documentary’s amplification of their performance changed the nature of its presence online. Neither performer was alerted by the producers prior to being featured, they allege.

A little effort @Guy. Seriously, why do you refuse to post even an excerpt from your, more often than not, poorly researched articles?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Salena Storm Discusses 'Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On'
MyFreeCams Model Says Documentary Doesn't Paint Complete Picture:
https://avn.com/business/articles/t...cusses-hot-girls-wanted-turned-on-727425.html

Went back and watched her part of ep. 3 after reading this article. Here are my personal perceptions.

Spoiler: for length

“I was definitely misled,” Storm says. “They one-hundred percent told me this is about women empowerment, about ‘females like you who are owning it,’ and they don’t show any of that.”

That is absolutely not true. Salena herself came across as a pretty level headed, and certainly holding her own. Bailey Rayne even more so.


“They told me this time around it was going to be more positive and they were covering girls that actually treat it like a business and care about what they’re doing and not partying every night. But then I watched it and it was the same Hot Girls Wanted—just Take Two."

I don't know about the original Hot Girls Wanted, and I am not going to go back and watch it. Business professional is how I viewed Bailey Rayne as portrayed in ep.3 though, and to a lesser extent Salena too.


“I totally drop off. They never say what I’m doing,” Storm says. “It just seemed as though I dropped off and I didn’t want to film for them anymore.”

But that was far from what transpired behind the scenes, she says, adding that most of the footage she shot with the HGW crew went unused.

“They shot inside my house,” Storm says. “They shot my whole process about camming, me doing offline work, shooting my own content, editing my own content. They shot me before I go online, what I do on my off time and living a healthy lifestyle.”

They also filmed her confiding in her close friend about the ups and downs of the profession, none of which made the cut.

“Now I feel my brand is going to be hurt. They’re showcasing me as not true to who I am,” Storm continues. “They don’t show how hard I work at camming. It’s been six months and I’m not doing boy/girl [sex scenes], I’m still camming full time. I have shot girl/girl for DVD and have had pleasant experiences doing it. I haven’t been pressured into doing anything. It’s just absurd that I was promised something else."

This reads to me like she had unrealistic expectations about this being some sort of promo piece for her career. If they told her that was what it was going to be, and it wasn't, well idk.


“They asked for pics of my family and pics of me as a kid. Even during post-production, they were egging me on,” Storm says.”

Echoes what Gia Page said about being pressured about her childhood. Clear the producers were wanting to make the underage issue part of the story based on the final product. Should it be excluded?


“I treat it like a business. I truly care about what I’m doing and the moves that I’m making and I look into the future before I’m doing something,” she reasons. “I’m also hyper aware of what I’m doing. I don’t do drugs and just understand the opportunity that’s in front of me and I’m trying to take full advantage of it.”

I didn't see anything in her part in the episode that indicated otherwise. She may have been overshadowed, she may not have gotten the spotlight she hoped for (and frankly, I wouldn't have minded seeing more of her featured), but she didn't come across as unprofessional or a drug user.




Is the problem with this episode the scene where other girls are passing around a bong? That is reality. Some people like to sit around and smoke pot every now and then.

Is it the problem the part where Bonnie Kinz talks about how her stepfather was an avid porn watcher? Or when she talks about how her first exposure to porn came at age 6 or 7, and after that she looked at porn every night, and how she thinks it made her think about sex at a really young age? Or when she talks about how she lost her virginity at age 12, and expresses regret about it? Or is it the claim put forward that 40% of teenagers have seen internet porn by age 14, and 80% of those were not seeking it?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

“I treat it like a business. I truly care about what I’m doing and the moves that I’m making and I look into the future before I’m doing something,” she reasons. “I’m also hyper aware of what I’m doing. I don’t do drugs and just understand the opportunity that’s in front of me and I’m trying to take full advantage of it.”

I didn't see anything in her part in the episode that indicated otherwise. She may have been overshadowed, she may not have gotten the spotlight she hoped for (and frankly, I wouldn't have minded seeing more of her featured), but she didn't come across as unprofessional or a drug user.

Sorry for back to back post, was too late to edit. About this above part of my earlier response.

Wtf is this?






(Don't really think any less of her for it, do think it's funny though. Maybe she meant hard shit.)

 

[MelodyHero]

The original movie is anti-porn propaganda. And Rashida Jones made it and is extremely whorephobic.

I haven't seen the new series but I have seen hot girls wanted. I never took it as "whorephobic"
the film brings to light some of the porn industries' issues. The girls featured were very young and inexperienced. as. fuck. One girl let a pornstar creampie her -last minute- and she was given money to go buy plan b. (Which should not be used as a first method of BC.) She was naive and convinced it was totally safe and normal. The film had a bleak tone because of the girls being so unsure and/or uneducated in the adult industry as well as their own sexualitirs- ending up being taken advantage of, or crossing their boundaries for quick cash.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I complete agree with JustJoined regarding Salena. I thought she came across as very professional, empowered sex worker. The problem for Salena is that Bailey reminded me of the top Stanford and Harvard MBAs, that I used to interview and I'd think to myself, I'm probably going to be working for this woman in few years. She came across as a really sharp business women, and a nice person, and Bailey is also gorgeous. So If I'm the film editor/director and I have to cut something goodbye Salena. Still, actors, complaining that their scene was cut has been part of filmmaking since the very beginning of cinema.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I haven't seen the new series but I have seen hot girls wanted. I never took it as "whorephobic"
the film brings to light some of the porn industries' issues. The girls featured were very young and inexperienced. as. fuck. One girl let a pornstar creampie her -last minute- and she was given money to go buy plan b. (Which should not be used as a first method of BC.) She was naive and convinced it was totally safe and normal. The film had a bleak tone because of the girls being so unsure and/or uneducated in the adult industry as well as their own sexualitirs- ending up being taken advantage of, or crossing their boundaries for quick cash.

I agree with this, it's difficult because there are a lot of problems within the porn industry which sometimes I feel mainstream producers etc try to deny in defense of the industry they work in. I read the article that the adult convention wrote responding to the first series. One of the things they commented on was that lots of porn films have the titles "sluts, whores etc". The convention writer claimed this wasn't true and picked out their award winning films which didn't have those names. Which is completely missing the point that if you go onto any stream site or adult video store those are exactly the labels women are given. And yes, lots of porn does present an aggressive derogatory way of treating women, and ways in which women generally don't like to be treated in real life. Don't get me wrong I like consensual spanking and rough play but I don't enjoy it if someone treats me like that without previously discussing it, which is usually what porn presents.
Some people seem to feel like because they're vaguely connected to something they need to defend it or deny there are any problems. This attitude IMO only makes them look worse and allows the abusive behaviour to continue. I know there is a stigma attached to porn which many would like to remove, but we cannot go around saying that all porn stars are happy safe workers completely aware of the industry they're getting into and what it means for their future life and the potential mental and physical health implications.
It is ok to enjoy/work in the sex industry and not like or condone every part of it. It is ok to point out the flaws within the sex industry and not be insulting to others within that industry. I do agree that it can be difficult as people do lump groups of people together, an example being one I wrote at the beginning of this thread where a guy I knew said that by being a camgirl I directly fund and encourage sex trafficking. Which are two things that have next to no correlation. If anything I'm a strong competitor of sexual trafficking taking money and business away from the illegal sex trade.

I haven't watched the first Hot girls wanted, but I watched a bunch of episodes of the second one. It didn't seem too negative on the sex industry and I felt especially the one with/about Bailey Rayne showed a good balance of how good and empowering the sex industry can be for women, but then also how easy it is for girls that are a bit naive/out of control can end up going down a path they maybe didn't originally want. I felt it also showed just how important it is to have someone who will explain to girls where they stand within the industry, what they can say no to and such.

I like the idea of female friendly porn, though to be honest my preference would be somewhere between the artistic romance and mainstream porn. The woman making the porn was going way too romantic and artistic for my tastes. I am perfectly happy with the imaging of mainstream, and I like seeing graphic sex. But I definitely wouldn't mind a bit more passion, a bit less time spent giving boring looking blowjobs where the woman looks in pain and the guy doesn't seem to be getting any thrills from it besides having control of her head, or pussy licking that looks uncomfortable at best, painful at worst, more attractive men would be nice too (as in men women find attractive, not the buff male fantasy porn star type), and more focus on the man as well as the woman. Oh also sexier storylines with better build up. I don't need it to be romantic, slow or tender, I rarely masturbate over romance. For me the build up is what gets me excited, it's all about the psychological tension of what may happen and then the final release when it does. I guess kind of like a book, if you write erotic fiction and put "and he shoved it down her throat" then write a graphic sex scene with zero build up no one is going to be that excited. Problem is with a lot of porn build ups is that they're boring, they don't show any emotion of the act they are going to do. They don't touch each other in a sexy way. It's very mechanical which turns me off.

I watch porn, I am female. I know plenty of girls who watch porn. Unfortunately a lot of porn turns me off so searching through videos it can be hard without making me give up on the experience completely. There is definitely a market for female friendly pornography, and I think men would and could like it too. I find in sex with a good partner the best positions are when we both enjoy it. If I'm not enjoying the position my partner usually isn't either and vice versa. There is probably a biological explanation for this. But if women find sex with men hot and men find sex with women hot then surely there can be a happy compromise in porn where it can be sexy for everyone watching rather than just being aimed at men. I don't think porn will ever really lose its stigma unless you invite everyone in to enjoy its pleasures.

 

[Alex_M_21]

This was just released on the Irish Netflix. Rashida Jones should not be making documentaries at all.

Regardless as to whether she's painting things in a positive or negative light. Documentaries should come from a neutral perspective, not picking individuals and using their individual experiences to represent a whole industry.

Even the online dating episode, she picked some nymphomaniac sleeze bag and used him as an example to represent online dating, she left out people who are now married, people who've started dating someone, when before they were too shy to approach people.

I use this as an example because she did the exact same thing in the original documentary with Porn!

It's not like she has picked random people and done a completely objective view of the industry, she has probably had all the participants screened by a production team and probably a psychologist and picked people who would represent her own personal views.

That's not what a documentary is, or should be. I think the exception was Erica Bliss and Bailey Raine (kind of), both of them were probably included to counteract the negative reception of the initial "documentary".

I admit that the first movie did influence my opinion for a while, especially the scene with the Latino girl in the rape scene,which I found quite disturbing.

Over the last couple weeks I've been reading up on the porn industry and watching other documentaries out of curiosity.

In a nutshell fuck Rashida Jones... She should stick to cheesy comedies.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Is it the problem the part where Bonnie Kinz talks about how her stepfather was an avid porn watcher? Or when she talks about how her first exposure to porn came at age 6 or 7, and after that she looked at porn every night, and how she thinks it made her think about sex at a really young age? Or when she talks about how she lost her virginity at age 12, and expresses regret about it? Or is it the claim put forward that 40% of teenagers have seen internet porn by age 14, and 80% of those were not seeking it?

Not sure if I got the name right there. Anyway, whoever it was.

This was just released on the Irish Netflix. Rashida Jones should not be making documentaries at all.

Regardless as to whether she's painting things in a positive or negative light. Documentaries should come from a neutral perspective, not picking individuals and using their individual experiences to represent a whole industry.

Even the online dating episode, she picked some nymphomaniac sleeze bag and used him as an example to represent online dating, she left out people who are now married, people who've started dating someone, when before they were too shy to approach people.

I use this as an example because she did the exact same thing in the original documentary with Porn!

It's not like she has picked random people and done a completely objective view of the industry, she has probably had all the participants screened by a production team and probably a psychologist and picked people who would represent her own personal views.

That's not what a documentary is, or should be. I think the exception was Erica Bliss and Bailey Raine (kind of), both of them were probably included to counteract the negative reception of the initial "documentary".

I admit that the first movie did influence my opinion for a while, especially the scene with the Latino girl in the rape scene,which I found quite disturbing.

Over the last couple weeks I've been reading up on the porn industry and watching other documentaries out of curiosity.

In a nutshell fuck Rashida Jones... She should stick to cheesy comedies.

I think a lot of the complaints boil down to "Rashida Jones" more than anything.

I think a better approach than pointing at the source and blaming them, is for individuals to learn to critically examine what they take in. The idea of expecting complete objectivity? Idk...sounds good, and impossible.

 

[Alex_M_21]

Unfortunately a lot of porn turns me off so searching through videos it can be hard without making me give up on the experience completely. There is definitely a market for female friendly pornography, and I think men would and could like it too. I find in sex with a good partner the best positions are when we both enjoy it. If I'm not enjoying the position my partner usually isn't either and vice versa. There is probably a biological explanation for this. But if women find sex with men hot and men find sex with women hot then surely there can be a happy compromise in porn where it can be sexy for everyone watching rather than just being aimed at men. I don't think porn will ever really lose its stigma unless you invite everyone in to enjoy its pleasures.

As a gay guy, I don't watch porn either. It's either overly macho, the pornstars look like 12-year-olds and there's always someone who is visibly not enjoying it, in some cases, you can see that they're distressed. Mutual enjoyment is not a theme in gay porn either, there's always one person getting off and someone else who if you have any idea about body language is clearly not enjoying it, but usually that's a purposeful theme. It's just the norm in Porn. Are people these days really that fucking sick that they prefer to watch porn where someone is being used and in some cases suffering.

I definitely think the porn industry needs to change in that regard. Then again... It's supply and demand.