CAM website, where a masturbating guy is the model and the girls are choosing

[zippypinhead]

You're vastly overestimating the appeal of watching a strange dick jerking off.

This statement should be plastered all over billboards and TV spots as a public service campaign for the benefit of all horny-and-misguided men thinking their dick is as interesting for everyone as it is for them.

 

[Tartan]

I'm no expert in this but a cam room filled with dudes while one claims to be a woman named Sharon so everyone else can get off sounds like one hell of a circle jerk
I think any real woman would be too busy washing their hair or bleaching their moustache to care about earning 25c a minute

 

[Tartan]

Have you actually tried dressing up as a woman for your friend and see if he will give you the 25c?

 

[melanieoncam]

This could be somehow prevented, by verifying profiles and showing a cam preview of the girl who is requesting the private chat

I really don't think you understand this at all. Female cam models are not going to watch men for 25 cents a minute. There is a reason why women outnumber men on cam sites. There is also a reason why it costs more, not less to have a model do cam2cam (my exclusive, where I do cam2cam is $4 more than my group price where they just watch me).

Men do have an audience as cam models. Performing for other men.

Maybe you could make it work if you targeted the gay market, but not for 25 to 50 cents a minute.

 

[Carmita Bonita]

This idea will never gain any traction. For the most part cam models don’t care how the men who jerk off to us look like. All we care about is that they’re paying us. Sure, it’s fun to get a good looking guy but we don’t need it or seek it out and browsing through galleries of peen to choose from sounds exhausting.

I could care less how someone looks like ..all that matters is they pay me and are polite. Men on cam sites want to choose the models that view them fapping. The type of person who shoves their dick around to anyone on Chatroulette is not the same type of person who wants to pay cam models and have consensual cam to cam fun with them.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I'm no expert in this but a cam room filled with dudes while one claims to be a woman named Sharon so everyone else can get off sounds like one hell of a circle jerk
I think any real woman would be too busy washing their hair or bleaching their moustache to care about earning 25c a minute

Hell, I could make more than 25¢ a minute washing my hair if I film it!

I think you're on to something with the dude pretending to be Sharon, though. There's dudes out there that get off on pretending to be women on line - connect them with the dudes who like to be watched and it's a match made in heaven!

 

[Kiki Jane]

I guess you don't realize 99.9% of those watching a man are going to be other men.

This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where all these guys called the "Party Line" to talk to "the world's most beaufiful women".

 

[iamyourboss]

If you follow this link: https://chaturbate.com/6-tokens-per-minute-private-cams/female/

You will see 12 pages of models that charge 6 tokens per minute, which is around 30cents.

Did I understand this correctly?

 

[alexakitty]

You can always ask a member to pay if he wants you to open his webcam, it works so on Bongacams and on other webcam sites too.
I've added 100tk -open your cam to the topic of my chat, so member pay in advance if they want it.
I do not think we need any other stuff

 

[NotYou]

If you follow this link: https://chaturbate.com/6-tokens-per-minute-private-cams/female/

You will see 12 pages of models that charge 6 tokens per minute, which is around 30cents.

Did I understand this correctly?

This is definitely not an accurate reflection. A lot of people set their price to 6 tokens per minute so it attracts more viewers but then they will never accept said private if one is started.

 

[AudriTwo]

If you follow this link: https://chaturbate.com/6-tokens-per-minute-private-cams/female/

You will see 12 pages of models that charge 6 tokens per minute, which is around 30cents.

Did I understand this correctly?

yeah. we know there are models that do price themselves at that amount. just because someone is comfortable pricing themselves 30cents/min, doesn't mean others should as well. everyone has their own reasons WHY they price themselves the way they do. higher currency exchange, flat token rates, get more viewers in private, naivety, split camming, etc. we aren't knocking the models who do.

you want a site that caters more to the affordable crowd, neat. but is that sustainable? im not sure, i have my doubts.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

If you follow this link: https://chaturbate.com/6-tokens-per-minute-private-cams/female/

You will see 12 pages of models that charge 6 tokens per minute, which is around 30cents.

Did I understand this correctly?

There are some models who will do pvts at only 6tks, but they are the minority. Most of the time what happens is they will charge you extra for certain things in the pvt, anywhere from 50-500 tks depending on what you are looking for.

 

[iamyourboss]

Ok, then there are another 12 pages of models for 12 tokens per minute..

I understand that all these opinions are coming from models who are already earning more than that, so for them it doesn't sound appealing.

I think if you are telling an average student girl to broadcast herself publicly it will scare many girls.
If you are telling someone that she can just watch someone c2c and earn for that it sounds simple and much more discreet and maybe can attract audience of girls that don't want to model publicly, but still want to be able to earn by working from home.
Perhaps modeling can earn you more (or even much more), but they are not willing to model publicly, so this comparison is irrelevant for them at that point.

 

[AudriTwo]

I think if you are telling an average student girl to broadcast herself publicly it will scare many girls.
If you are telling someone that she can just watch someone c2c and earn for that it sounds simple and much more discreet and maybe can attract audience of girls that don't want to model publicly, but still want to be able to earn by working from home.

they still need to pay their taxes, and most adult students are still being claimed by their parents as dependants. also how you are explaining it sounds very predatory like. i swear i have heard this studio/site pitch before. the average student WOMAN isn't going to want to look at dicks and talk sexual to people for meer cents, and if they do, they are gonna be PISSED when they find out they can make more. also your site is going to require them to give previews, remember? so they can't be all that secretive. people are going to take screenshots and record their cam sessions.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Ok, then there are another 12 pages of models for 12 tokens per minute..

I understand that all these opinions are coming from models who are already earning more than that, so for them it doesn't sound appealing.

I think if you are telling an average student girl to broadcast herself publicly it will scare many girls.
If you are telling someone that she can just watch someone c2c and earn for that it sounds simple and much more discreet and maybe can attract audience of girls that don't want to model publicly, but still want to be able to earn by working from home.
Perhaps modeling can earn you more (or even much more), but they are not willing to model publicly, so this comparison is irrelevant for them at that point.

A lot of the 12tk models charge extra as well. Regardless of that, I think for most people the rates are not high enough to traumatize themselves looking at so many dicks.

You're right in that there may be some models who don't make as much who might be willing to do something like this but the rates you posted would still be too low for them. You can't just think of what would be an appealing price point for customers, you also have to think about what price point would be appealing to potential talent and also allow you to make a profit. Making things cheaper doesn't guarantee more customers. I think there is a bigger divide between people willing to spend money and those who don't vs those willing to spend a small amount and those willing to spend large amounts.

Regardless of all that I think you would have to find a way to solve the biggest challenge which is finding customers willing to pay. A lot of guys like the idea of girls watching them cum, but I don't believe a lot of them are actually willing to pay anything for it. In my own room and others I've seen hundreds of guys ask models for c2c, but I can count on both hands how many times someone has actually went through when told the price, and very few models I know actually charge anything significant for c2c.

 

[JickyJuly]

You would need to charge a lot more money and expect a handful of girls to be clicking all of them, getting paid and not really giving these paying folks one on one attention. Men would likely just be paying to feel that they were chosen instead of choosing which is an understandable desire. But, once they pay and don't get that sort of attention or feeling, they probably won't do it again. Not sure how you could avoid that happening. I don't think it's the worst idea, really. Just not coming up with a way you could assure that those willing to pay enough to get validation from women actually get it.

 

[KristinKervz]

Okay, so honestly... with some major adjustments, I wish your idea could work. I kinda like the idea of being able to easily scroll through a site or app on my phone when I can't sleep at 3am, not have to perform, and just watch some dude jerk it and I get paid for it while also making him happy. I also agree that there would be some non-models who don't want to perform, and would appreciate the easy money. Hell, my mom would do it. She's always joking about wanting to cater to fetishes for money but she doesn't want to be seen or heard.

Unfortunately though, I agree with everyone else that this is unlikely to work. You would have to pay the girls A LOT more, and you'd need to have extra money for a referral program because no one is gonna want to tell their friends "hey, go sign up to watch dudes jerk it" unless we're profiting off of recruiting. As other have mentioned, the majority of exhibitionist men aren't trying to pay. And the few who are, already have their regular cam sites. They like to SEE our live reactions.

If you come up with hundreds of thousands of dollars and ways to make this work, I'd totally do it in my down time. But if I were you, I wouldn't waste my time or money. It's just not realistic.

 

[iamyourboss]

Challenges are expected with any business idea.. probably when first c2c website was opened, people said who is gonna pay for this, when they can go and pay for a physical thing or watch porn for free. So that's ok.

The not willing to pay guys could perhaps change their mind, once they see an attractive girl proposing them a c2c and they say 'what the heck, let's spend some dollars and give it a try '

As for the pricing, this needs to be tested indeed.

It seems to me that guys are so willing to show their dicks to girls that they would be willing to try anything new and maybe be tempted to pay here and there (same as on any website they think they just want to check it out and then..)

 

[Pitufa]

?

 

[paige_orion]

OP, in spite of you asking for our opinions and in spite of the question, "Do you think this will work?"... You don't really seem interested in taking any of the opinions into account. Instead, you just seem to be doubling down on why this is a good idea and why this will be such a success. So I'm not sure whether there really is much of a point in replying or continuing this thread. You're going to be convinced it is the best idea until you pour your savings into building such a site, and then you'll be wondering why you're not really making your money back and why models don't really want to work for your company.

So I think it's going to be a matter of you trying and figuring it out for yourself.

Because you best believe if I'm giving a dude a cam-show (camera on and watching him cum), I'd better be making more than a quarter a minute (especially after average site costs and self employment taxes, meaning I'd be taking home like...13 cents a minute, equaling a grand total of 7.80 an hour. That's less than minimum wage for many states of the US). Sure, you say dudes might bid up to 50 cents per minute... But we're all used to dudes trying to haggle our prices hardcore, and it literally drives me nuts. Going out of your way to gather up a client base of cheap buyers means the haggling is going to be even worse. So having a system where a cheap dude will tell you what he thinks your services are worth (a quarter a minute, seriously?!), instead of you setting your own prices from the beginning... That sounds legit awful to me. I can't think of a payment system I would like LESS than that.

And yes, I am sure you will find models who would be happy to work for that kind of money. But you know what? Those are usually the people who need it most. So when you're focused on only finding models who are willing to work for less than minimum wage, it comes across as INCREDIBLY exploitative. And models would rather work for companies that have our interests at heart and who want to see us thrive. Not companies who pay us less than the bare minimum because they can, and would probably pay even less if they could. I mean... This is sex work. Sex work comes hand in hand with so much stigma and so many risks for future prospects - I don't think it's too much to ask for that the models make more money than a high school kid flipping burgers (though, fast food workers should be making more money too, tbh).

 

[SaffronBurke]

And yes, I am sure you will find models who would be happy to work for that kind of money. But you know what? Those are usually the people who need it most. So when you're focused on only finding models who are willing to work for less than minimum wage, it comes across as INCREDIBLY exploitative

^^^^^^^^

Even as someone in a state with a $7.25 minimum wage, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here willing to watch dudes jerk off for $7.80/hr. In our cheapo state that only raises minimum wage when federal goes up, Krispy Cream is paying people $13/hr to make donuts, Wendy's/McDonald's/etc are starting at $11/hr, gas stations are paying $12+, and office jobs are starting at $15-17. When the whole appeal of camming is making more money than a regular job and in less time, you need to price accordingly. Why would someone get paid $7.80 to look at dicks when they could sit in a cubicle and type numbers for $16 (and get health insurance)?

 

[KristinKervz]

So when you're focused on only finding models who are willing to work for less than minimum wage, it comes across as INCREDIBLY exploitative.

This, so hard. I mean I'm sure most mainstream corporations would do this too if they could get away with it, but I want to believe the sex worker community wants to take better care of each other than this.

 

[iamyourboss]

Hm.. minimum wage in US? what?
All I see is Eastern Europe on these websites. I thought for them this kind of stuff is attractive.

 

[iamyourboss]

I appreciate your responses and I am taking what I find valuable from them.

It is clear for me now that you are not the audience for this kind of websites and it's totally fine. It helps me identify the right audience and the right approach to it. I am asking around and making my own research and in the end it's a matter of testing it in the most MVP way possible, to see if there's interest or not.

I cannot respond to each comment. I like discussing the opportunities, to see how the goal can be achieved, what could be adjusted to achieve it and I got some of such comments also. but not a direct statement that it won't work, because you base it on your experience and on your point view and on your life situation but as I said, it's ok and I appreciate your responses. I just take what's valuable in them for me.

 

[SMuser69]

I appreciate your responses and I am taking what I find valuable from them.

It is clear for me now that you are not the audience for this kind of websites and it's totally fine. It helps me identify the right audience and the right approach to it. I am asking around and making my own research and in the end it's a matter of testing it in the most MVP way possible, to see if there's interest or not.

I cannot respond to each comment. I like discussing the opportunities, to see how the goal can be achieved, what could be adjusted to achieve it and I got some of such comments also. but not a direct statement that it won't work, because you base it on your experience and on your point view and on your life situation but as I said, it's ok and I appreciate your responses. I just take what's valuable in them for me.

To be honest you should had asked member about this because you can probably convince any EE or CO studio at least to try most startup sites if you just need a small pool of models to start something. I think you're idea has two major flaws.

1. You operation involves one very small kink/fetish and that limiting factor is going to pigeonhole you too much. Many members don't want to be seen or care if the models sees them or cares about what the model thinks about their cock. If that's all your site models are there to do either they will start to offsite the members they do interact with to other sites that allow more services at a rate they are happier with (with there affiliate links to maximize the profit for themselves)

2. Paying members are the finite resource in this industry not the models. If models smell money can be made from a site, they will come. SM is proof even with a shitty cut, if the business is good it still worth it for them to use it. Your site works off the idea that models are the limited resource and there is the large group of potential members that would only get into the industry if there were more models that wanted to view their dicks.

The idea of some sort of bargain/contact/appointment board format might be interesting but I wouldn't make it so limited to such a specific niche. Also you need to more consider parts of the market that are more under served this is not one of those markets. Models even offer rate and GFE services on reddit which has more traffic.

Also one major thing that so many people pushing new sites on here always don't understand. You need to do more to gain member's trust because you're asking us to give you CC access which is already tough for the larger sites to do. Considering the news of the Imlive leak this is probably the worst possible time to groom customer trust in this industry.

Also your username was a poor choice on here as it's very off-putting and at the same time models aren't your employees they are subcontractors and wouldn't answer to you either way as much just follow your sites TOS. I think your username shows a misunderstanding of the power dynamics at play. This is just opinion however.

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

Ryan Reynolds is aging like a fine wine. Salt and pepper hair? Yes, please.

But, no one will ever reach Ezra Miller levels of hotness to me. Matthew Gray Gubler comes in a close second, though.

Dat jawline and facial structure tho.


ETA:



I'm actually into dude's moaning and making scrunchy orgasm faces. Guys moaning is hot. But, of course, I have to be attracted to the person doing it.

YES! Someone who shares my love for Matthew Gray Gubler!

 

[Beawaresweety]

> people tell you that it's highly exploitative and that people that are willing to watch some strangers jerking off for that rate, are the people who really need money

> ok, gotcha, y'all aren't the right audience, thanks for the idea, btw, I'll offer it to people from poor countries and they'll be happy with the rates, I've seen many EE models on the sites!

SUCH A COOL BUSINESS PLAN. I'm game.
/hOly FuCk/

 

[Beawaresweety]

Hm.. minimum wage in US? what?
All I see is Eastern Europe on these websites. I thought for them this kind of stuff is attractive.

I REALLY don't know how anyone could continue talking to you in a serious way after these words.
US minimum wage... what? Basic human rights... what? Dignity... what?

If a minimum wage somewhere is lower than in the US, that's DEFINITELY not a reason to try to take advantage of the situation. People who do such things, get called exploiters. Surprising, isn't it?

 

[iamyourboss]

Why do you have to push your opinions with "exploiting", when I am interested purely to know the thoughts on the concept.

My idea is to allow users to offer their own rate for just showing themselves.
If someone is willing to do this for 1 cent or for 1 dollar then it's their choice. If no one wants to do for 1 cent, but only want for 50 cents, then that's what they want.
What this has to do with exploiting? If someone doesn't want, they can go do something else with their time and earn money in another way. It's just a website like many on the internet. Some people are slaving to try to make some money on SEO, some are working for 2$/hour on Odesk and some are very happy to earn anything, otherwise they would not have money to pay bills, some see this as an opportunity to earn more than their friends in the same country.
Why do you have to bring "exploiting" here?

This is a concept of the free world. If no one will want to do it for this price, then it won't work, if they will want then it fits their current situation and it's good for them.

All these c2c websites have minimum to maintain some profits, not because they care about exploiting

 

[iamyourboss]

To be honest you should had asked member about this because you can probably convince any EE or CO studio at least to try most startup sites if you just need a small pool of models to start something. I think you're idea has two major flaws.

1. You operation involves one very small kink/fetish and that limiting factor is going to pigeonhole you too much. Many members don't want to be seen or care if the models sees them or cares about what the model thinks about their cock. If that's all your site models are there to do either they will start to offsite the members they do interact with to other sites that allow more services at a rate they are happier with (with there affiliate links to maximize the profit for themselves)

2. Paying members are the finite resource in this industry not the models. If models smell money can be made from a site, they will come. SM is proof even with a shitty cut, if the business is good it still worth it for them to use it. Your site works off the idea that models are the limited resource and there is the large group of potential members that would only get into the industry if there were more models that wanted to view their dicks.

The idea of some sort of bargain/contact/appointment board format might be interesting but I wouldn't make it so limited to such a specific niche. Also you need to more consider parts of the market that are more under served this is not one of those markets. Models even offer rate and GFE services on reddit which has more traffic.

Also one major thing that so many people pushing new sites on here always don't understand. You need to do more to gain member's trust because you're asking us to give you CC access which is already tough for the larger sites to do. Considering the news of the Imlive leak this is probably the worst possible time to groom customer trust in this industry.

Also your username was a poor choice on here as it's very off-putting and at the same time models aren't your employees they are subcontractors and wouldn't answer to you either way as much just follow your sites TOS. I think your username shows a misunderstanding of the power dynamics at play. This is just opinion however.

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

1. I am willing to check that somehow. need to think how. The impression I got is that many guys are interested in showing it.. of course much less are willing to pay for it, but this can change when they are horny. it's my impression and needs to be checked.
Offsiting is a common problem for many websites, like freelancing websites for example. that's just a difficulty.

2. I agree about the models smelling money they will come.
Paying members are the harder one's indeed.

I didn't get the quote about the "Your site works off..".

Sorry, I totally lost you with the IMLive leak and gaining trust and etc. I just signed up to get an opinion about an idea.

My username is a joke from childhood and I just kept it, don't take it personal, has nothing to do with reality and unfortunately I cannot change it now, after signed up.