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sweetiebatman said:
Felicity said:
Interesting... :cool:

That next to a gun crime graph per head of captia would be interesting, The US is defiantly top, we all know that but the rest of the correlation would be intriguing


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... h-firearms



I don't have a gun. I did carry a knife once upon a time, but laws over here are very strict on that now so I don't need a felony conviction, $1,000 fine or jail time for carrying a 2" pocket knife.
 
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If anyone is interested about gun control and the facts... http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

I understand why other countries see the USA as crazy gun nuts sometimes, but it's a part of our history and will always be deeply ingrained in some people. I see a firearm as just another tool and sometimes it's the best choice for home and/or self-defense. Plus they're fun to shoot. :-D
 
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Bocefish said:
If anyone is interested about gun control and the facts... http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

I understand why other countries see the USA as crazy gun nuts sometimes, but it's a part of our history and will always be deeply ingrained in some people. I see a firearm as just another tool and sometimes it's the best choice for home and/or self-defense. Plus they're fun to shoot. :-D
Eww. I do not find guns fun to shoot at all. Any decent caliber will just about knock me over.

SweetSugarpie said:
Nordling said:
But, remember, the US is one of if not the most heavily armed country in the world...and it's also the most violent. There may be no logical correlation, but something sure is going on here.

I think it stands to reason....more guns equals more violent crime. When it's more difficult to get a gun, when you have to wait 2 weeks or more to get that gun, and when your choices of types of guns are limited...there will be less gun crime. It's that simple.
I'm unsure where the "US is the most violent country in the world" stat is coming from, but all of the research I've done puts the USA much further down the list. Nope, we're not like Iceland where apparently no murder has happened there ever, but we're not South Africa or Honduras.

If more guns are removed, more gun crime will be removed. If someone is pissed as all hell and wants to hurt someone, not having a gun will not stop them. Baseball bats, knives, box cutters, cars, power tools, pretty much anything heavy or sharp can kill someone. If every single gun in the USA is removed, there will probably be less violent crime overall, but that will not eliminate it. Here in California we have extremely strict gun control laws (including a waiting period and background check to buy a gun) and yet we have more gun violence than, say, Oregon, which has no waiting period for guns and were you can buy a rocket launcher in a store and walk home with it. But, going down that path (of total gun illegality or serious gun control), will that include people that live in rural areas where police protection can be up to an hour away or that need rifles to protect their farms from predators? It's a fairly complicated issue.
 
I carry police-grade mace (thanks to my best friends cop dad) on my key chain. I've never had to use it, but I feel safer knowing I have it. I get a new one every Christmas. =)

I can't carry a gun because of the kiddo. I'm just too scared to have it while he's so young.
 
SweepTheLeg said:
If someone gets mad enough they could kill someone with anything, but at the same time I have never read "Crazed man injures 10, kills 20, then himself with a baseball bat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

ETA: That Batman movie nutjob was more than intelligent enough to devise other ways than using bullets.
 
"The Second Amendment has its roots in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. The whole law is arcane and one that has been twisted beyond its original meaning"

Discuss..
 
sweetiebatman said:
"The Second Amendment has its roots in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. The whole law is arcane and one that has been twisted beyond its original meaning"

Discuss..

Not really part of the topic, besides, our SCOTUS has recently ruled on that particular issue. ;)
 
I think its central to the whole issue, what did The Supreme Court have to say?
 
sweetiebatman said:
"The Second Amendment has its roots in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. The whole law is arcane and one that has been twisted beyond its original meaning"

Discuss..
I feel that original meaning may not be a huge issue.

Yeah, I know, angry words towards me.

All the time people be saying, "This is NOT what the Founding Fathers wanted!"

And... so?

Do you really want a bunch of wealthy white dudes from 200 years ago to have full say over what the USA looks like now? Yes, the founded our country. But it does not mean we must stay in line with centuries-old morals just because that's the way things started. The "American way" is still greatly influenced by what they did, but no, I do not want to live in a country that the founding fathers envisioned. I want to live in a time advanced by two centuries of philosophy, science, technology, and human growth.

I think the constitution and amendments are critically important to the country, but I am more concerned with modern interpretation than what people meant centuries ago. Maybe instead of wondering what people meant in the 18th century and trying to decipher their arcane language, we should sit down as a society and decide what states want to do for themselves in terms of gun control, taking in to light how society has advanced since then.
 
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The GP 100 is a sweet pistol but I'd consider custom grips for your hand size bc there will be substantial kick. The normal pachmayr grips are for fairly large hands.
I've had a ccp for a long while from when I was doing bank runs for my restaurant and always carried a 9mm Glock or Baretta auto. I prefer the 9mm simply bc of weight.
If you are ever thinking about pulling a gun, be it at home or concealed, don't even consider it if you aren't ready to kill someone. The chances are you wont kill them, but that split second of hesitation can easily cost you the gun and your own life.
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I keep at least a handgun loaded in my home at all times. I would conceal carry if were allowed here. I'd much rather be prepared in case I do need it in one of those situations where seconds count and the police are minutes away. I hope that day never comes.

The only thing stricter gun laws will accomplish is preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. Gangs and criminals rarely purchase their weapons legally anyway...
 
QUESTION!

How do you think the rest of the developed world gets on without being armed to the teeth?

Much Better?
 
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SoTxBob said:
The GP 100 is a sweet pistol but I'd consider custom grips for your hand size bc there will be substantial kick. The normal pachmayr grips are for fairly large hands.
I've had a ccp for a long while from when I was doing bank runs for my restaurant and always carried a 9mm Glock or Baretta auto. I prefer the 9mm simply bc of weight.
If you are ever thinking about pulling a gun, be it at home or concealed, don't even consider it if you aren't ready to kill someone. The chances are you wont kill them, but that split second of hesitation can easily cost you the gun and your own life.
:twocents-02cents:
I have shot that specific gun before, it is a tad big for me. I'm not set on the exact make, but something very similar is appealing to me. I really like the GP100 quite a bit.

As far as killing someone... I never have before, so I'm not sure how I would react in the situation. But if it is a case where it is my life against someone else's and they are forcing the issue, I want to be able to have a say.
 
Ditch the Knives ASAP

At least as a form of Personal Protection. Unless you know HOW TO use one and ARE PREPARED TO DO SO they are a really bad idea. The risk of NOT incapacitating your assailant is very high. That said, a wise man once told me "You gonna cut someone, you cut them in the face." But seriously everyone ditch the blades for PP ASAP. You want to FUCK THEM UP BAD AND FAST so you can get the hell out of there. Nothing better than STRONG pepper spray. Strength/effectiveness varies from brand to brand. I have used SABRE for a while now. Buy TWO. One you should use as a Tester. Outside w/ the wind at your back fire that bitch off and see how far it sprays and the dispersal pattern. You want to know how far and where the spray is gonna go before you need to use it in a hostile situation. I would also recommend spraying it on a rag etc. and taking a good whiff to verify how strong it is.

Same thing goes for tasers. They are not all created equal. Some are nothing more than toys. If you carry one make sure it will drop someone and make them do the chicken dance.

As far as firearms go, Fuck Yeah if you are a law abiding citizen who follows all proper channels to obtain and register them. Once again in addition to putting rounds down range I would recommend some sort of hostile situation training. For home defense NOTHIN beats a pump shotgun. EVERY scum bag in the country knows the sound of a shell being racked and will get the fuck out of dodge when they hear it. No training required point and shoot.

I've always been interested in the martial arts and was part of the first wave of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu students in the country, found Nelson Monteiro immed following UFC 1. Paid him to choke the life out of me on a mat in his garage LOL. I asked him about BJJ for women and he said in his awesome Brasilian accent "Is the BEST my frien. When a guy try rape the wooman, he gonna be on top of her usin hes weigh to keep her down and boom boom, she know the jiu jitsu she can sweep an then you break his arm (choke him out,etc.)! Many years later I was training again and one of the guys in class brought his 14 yr old daughter to class to check it out. BL being the smallest and having excellent control of his techniques got to roll w/ her. Once I showed her the key points of the rear naked choke or Mata Leon, I was on the verge of blacking out and tapping w/ in seconds every time she got the choke.

Finally, there is what could be the most fearsome non lethal personal defense weapon of all time. South Africa's Sjambok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjambok and http://www.coldsteel.com/sjambok.html and
http://www.youtube.com/user/n0thums?feature=watch and
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gat ... 09535.html
For under $20 that shit will handle some serious business Yo.
 
Evvie said:
I think the constitution and amendments are critically important to the country, but I am more concerned with modern interpretation than what people meant centuries ago. Maybe instead of wondering what people meant in the 18th century and trying to decipher their arcane language, we should sit down as a society and decide what states want to do for themselves in terms of gun control, taking in to light how society has advanced since then.

Many states have tried and some have successfully done so until being lawfully challenged under the Constitution. Please take the time to investigate, look at gun control statistics and weigh the facts in order to then decide for yourself.
 
Holy crap! Of all my relatives and close friends, I am aware of a total of two guns owned. I don't live in hunting country -- I get it if people have long arms to hunt for meat, but other than that, I really really don't want there to be guns all over the place. To answer the original question, I am not armed. Reason: I don't want to be armed.

I had a long response typed out, but I derped and closed the window in my browser and don't feel like doing it all again. I have far too much training in statistics to trust ones quoted to me without all sorts of background information, but if we assume for the moment that the approximately 90 civilian firearms owned per 100 Americans number is accurate, let's just keep in mind that it doesn't mean 9 of 10 Americans own a gun. That certainly comes in part from the fact that some people own several.

Out of curiosity, since so many here own or want to own a gun, have many of you been the victims of violent crime? Perhaps an experience like that would affect my feelings about this.
 
HarmlessSquirrel said:
.... the approximately 90 civilian firearms owned per 100 Americans number is accurate,....

Out of curiosity, since so many here own or want to own a gun, have many of you been the victims of violent crime?

in the south, those numbers are most likely considerably higher...

and yes....
 
HarmlessSquirrel said:
keep in mind that it doesn't mean 9 of 10 Americans own a gun. That certainly comes in part from the fact that some people own several.

Out of curiosity, since so many here own or want to own a gun, have many of you been the victims of violent crime? Perhaps an experience like that would affect my feelings about this.

multiple times. aside from the average teenage fights, which i count, but not everyone does lemme throw the list out there. im also not including getting jumped when i was a bouncer.

first section covering from early childhood until jr high: 3 knife attacks, resulting in one true stabbing (icepick, not fun) the other two i ran fast enough i didnt get cut. had one gun pulled on me but not pointed. attacked with a ball bat and beaten once, one other time where i got it away from the chick. sticks and rocks? more times than i can count, but only 3 resulting in injury more than a bruise or a scrape. empty hand attacks? jeez around the 15-20 range as best as i can remember. no i wasnt a gang member, just a real real rough neighborhood.

the jr high and high school era wasnt as bad in my hood, the cops cracked down hard so it got quiet. inside of school however, weapons didnt happen as much, but empty hand attacks? a lot. single person attacks, where it wasnt just a shove or a single punch, probly 5 times, depending on how you want to rate a violent attack. times when i got jumped by 2-20 people... 6 times. though the 20 person one was a single event. every other time it was smaller groups of 2-6. jr high was the greatest number. by high school people had gotten less likely to fight, more likely to posture to look good.

after high school. hmmm weaponless attacks. 3 crack heads or other types of druggie trying to rob me. 1 more where the guy was just so messed up he raged and i was the guy in the way at the time. 2 guns pointed at me, no shots fired. sticks/bats or other blunt weapon, twice more. one time being by a group with multiple weapons. if i hadnt had my gun id have been dead.

knife attacks. one switchblade, one hunting knife, two old fashioned folding knives. one guy that had a frakkin small sword that was probably sold as a knife, but damn it was big. crocodile dundee big. one dude with a box cutter too, but he was so damn crazy i dont think he was really attacking me. he was screaming stuff about the demons while he was slicing the air and i was just there.

last time for any of it was oh, about 5 or 6 years ago? since then ive been on the disabled list so i dont get out as much. if ya stay home 90 percent of the time its hard to get attacked lol.


since any time ive ever discussed the subject either someone says im making it up, or asks what the hell did you do for a living? let me get that out of the way. i was a nurse's assistant who did home health. since i was a big guy that wasnt scared i was the one they sent to the bad places that the smaller ladies refused. a big hairy dude drives down the road of some places here in the south you are likely to get jumped by someone. as an adult, the vast majority of the situations were just from that. wrong place, wrong time, trying to do my job. the rest? well you drive all over hell and back you gotta stop for gas, or a phone, or a piss, and not every convenience store is safe. hell, add in the two of those that ere road rage induced and im just glad i never had to kill anyone to get out lol. like i said b4 tho, im too old to be scared, too fat to run and too crippled to fight now. ill just have to shoot em and be done with it if it ever happens again
 
I am not armed because I generally do not give in to irrational fears. The chances of me being the victim of a violent crime are not very high.

Looking at the statistics, I am more likely to kill myself than be a victim of violent crime where a weapon would help me. :think:
 
Bocefish said:
SweepTheLeg said:
If someone gets mad enough they could kill someone with anything, but at the same time I have never read "Crazed man injures 10, kills 20, then himself with a baseball bat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

ETA: That Batman movie nutjob was more than intelligent enough to devise other ways than using bullets.

Holy shit I never realised the Oklahoma bombing was performed with a baseball bat!
 
Jupiter551 said:
Bocefish said:
SweepTheLeg said:
If someone gets mad enough they could kill someone with anything, but at the same time I have never read "Crazed man injures 10, kills 20, then himself with a baseball bat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

ETA: That Batman movie nutjob was more than intelligent enough to devise other ways than using bullets.

Holy shit I never realised the Oklahoma bombing was performed with a baseball bat!

Well yeah, that. I don't think any of the anti-gun posters would suggest that something even more destructive was okay for public use. Bombs, missiles, rocket launchers, grenades, and lobbyists should be restricted too.
 
Just Me said:
I am not armed because I generally do not give in to irrational fears. The chances of me being the victim of a violent crime are not very high.

Looking at the statistics, I am more likely to kill myself than be a victim of violent crime where a weapon would help me. :think:
I am also not worried about being the victim of a violent crime. I am concerned with reminding people to respect my boundaries when I make it clear the conversation is over. Do I think someone will try to mug or kill me? No. But I've stopped counting the times men have used physical force to move me to a second location, followed me, and harassed me.

I'm not interested in weapons to protect me from "criminals." I want them to protect me from regular men and "nice guys" who believe they are entitled to me and my body. Being harmed by regular men is not an irrational fear. So far I have never talked to any woman in my life who was not at one time attacked, harassed, or hurt by a man who used physical force to get their way.

(Granted, the first question I ask women isn't about their sexual assault history, but when the subject comes up in an appropriate setting, no woman has ever chimed in with, "I don't know what you guys are talking about! I've never been treated like a sack of shit by any man who didn't give a fuck about my boundaries!")
 
I'm armed with a Ruger P85, Mossberg 12g and an AK-47. The Ruger is always loaded and within reaching distance of my pillow. I never carry them outside unless I'm camping but I'll be damn if anyone is going to assault me in my home.

And like Felicity said, I like to be prepared cuz I'm a crazy Oregonian hill person!
 
I have two guns and an assortment of knives.

I keep them because I know how to use them, I don't have any children who could have an accident with them, and they make me feel more secure.
 
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Evvie said:
Just Me said:
I am not armed because I generally do not give in to irrational fears. The chances of me being the victim of a violent crime are not very high.

Looking at the statistics, I am more likely to kill myself than be a victim of violent crime where a weapon would help me. :think:
I am also not worried about being the victim of a violent crime. I am concerned with reminding people to respect my boundaries when I make it clear the conversation is over. Do I think someone will try to mug or kill me? No. But I've stopped counting the times men have used physical force to move me to a second location, followed me, and harassed me.

I'm not interested in weapons to protect me from "criminals." I want them to protect me from regular men and "nice guys" who believe they are entitled to me and my body. Being harmed by regular men is not an irrational fear. So far I have never talked to any woman in my life who was not at one time attacked, harassed, or hurt by a man who used physical force to get their way.

(Granted, the first question I ask women isn't about their sexual assault history, but when the subject comes up in an appropriate setting, no woman has ever chimed in with, "I don't know what you guys are talking about! I've never been treated like a sack of shit by any man who didn't give a fuck about my boundaries!")


This is also why I carry weapons.
I'll stab a "nice guy" in a second if he fucks with me.
EVERY woman I know has had something like this happen.
Every. single. One.
 
Evvie said:
I'm not interested in weapons to protect me from "criminals." I want them to protect me from regular men and "nice guys" who believe they are entitled to me and my body. Being harmed by regular men is not an irrational fear. So far I have never talked to any woman in my life who was not at one time attacked, harassed, or hurt by a man who used physical force to get their way.

(Granted, the first question I ask women isn't about their sexual assault history, but when the subject comes up in an appropriate setting, no woman has ever chimed in with, "I don't know what you guys are talking about! I've never been treated like a sack of shit by any man who didn't give a fuck about my boundaries!")

I guess it comes down to what being treated like a sack of shit, etc. entails specifically. If it's a guy physically forcing himself on you, I wouldn't say he's a regular man or a nice guy at all. I'd say he's a criminal. I hope like hell I'm not being naive here, but I don't think an average man does that. The idea sickens me. The thought of doing that never enters my mind. I'm not a large man, so maybe I tend to be less physically aggressive than most, but still, I can't see guys I consider friends doing anything like that. If they did and I knew it, I doubt I could remain their friend. I'll ask women I know well about this. I hope it isn't common for them. That would make me very sad and very angry.
 
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