A model seeking love and a future with a client? Or a manipulative romance scammer? One year anniversary! Ideas and impressions sought, please.

[GeorgeSpelvin]

It's been a gradual process. I'm actually on this forum a lot more lately than I've been on any cam sites.

 

[yummybrownfox]

It's been a gradual process. I'm actually on this forum a lot more lately than I've been on any cam sites.

Well that's a good thing! ACF is healthy for ya. You'll learn a lot from this forum.

 

[Maxi]

It's been a gradual process. I'm actually on this forum a lot more lately than I've been on any cam sites.

Good to read and keep up the good process/progress! (block her entirely… PLEASE)

 

[NotYou]

Well that's a good thing! ACF is healthy for ya. You'll learn a lot from this forum.

...well that depends on what threads he is reading. There are some pretty f****d up stuff to read and mindblowing lol., but I guess all in all, yes it is better

 

[AudriTwo]

Apparently Russian citizens can still travel there. Turkey is the friendliest of the NATO countries toward Russia, even a year into the invasion. I don't think Turkey has gone along with most sanctions and I know that it hasn't cancelled flights.

Why? Just curious.

*laughs in specialize in middle east history for at least 20minutes*
turkey and russia have hated each other for centuries my dude:


also turkey also been one of the first european nations to supply ukraine with weapons and aid. ukraine has a patriotic war song about the bayraktar/drones turkey supplied in feb last year

 

[rockin_rod]

She's already partially blocked

Blocking is really binary, how can you partially block someone? It really feels like you're deliberately dragging this process out (and the thread with it) for some reason.

 

[Ozzie_]

Obviously I'm learning a lot here and I knew nothing about this industry previously. There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?

SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.

 

[yummybrownfox]

...well that depends on what threads he is reading. There are some pretty f****d up stuff to read and mindblowing lol., but I guess all in all, yes it is better

Well then in those threads he'll learn about some of the fucked-up shit that us models (and members) have to deal with sometimes. Lol.

 

[misterical]

EDIT: What I'm really struggling with it the reporting to the sites. That's my dilemma at the moment.

Then don't. If that's the last thing holding you back from cutting her off completely then forget about reporting her to the sites.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Yes, but unfortunately for all of us involved, 85% of the world live within patriarchal societies.

Only 85%, Sasha?

 

[ArcticKitty]

Another great image.

For some reason I wasn't visualising it. Which is to the good because I almost said that I don't like being seen as a walking cunt!

 

[Nienna]

SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.

So do some studios. I once tried to give a model my Telegram username. (She was leaving the next day for a month to undergo surgery. I just wanted her to let me know how things went) The result was catastrophic. Her studio almost fined her, and I was almost banned. She basically begged her admins not to carry through and promised them she would never call me. That was just a member offering personal info to a model. Interestingly, all her admins are female, and at this particular studio, they are strict, but actually look after the model's safety. I am sure being in Russia has something to do with that too.

 

[Nienna]

I also found out that day that all our PM's are monitored, in this case in real-time.

 

[Marceline]

There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?

In 2018 FOSTA SESTA became a law. It was an amendment to Section 230, which states that a site cannot be held legally liable/prosecuted for content published by third party users on their site. With FOSTA SESTA, if someone is using a site for sex trafficking, the site would also be held responsible and would face legal repercussions as well as the individual. Consensual prostitution/solicitation was also seen as sex trafficking, so any site that facilitated it could also get in trouble. And, meetups for tokens could be seen as prostitution/paying for sex even if that wasn’t happening.

Before those laws, date raffles were somewhat common, especially on sites like MFC. Now, you’re not supposed to talk about meetups for tokens at all on any site. Even for platonic dates, since again, it could be seen as solicitation. And some sites have it to where you can get banned for any sort of talk of meeting in person, or even giving out any other way of communication.

So, that would be a big reason why sites are opposed to members trying to use cam sites as dating sites. It could literally get the site shut down.

And as far as why models are opposed to it, most/the majority of models are there because it’s their job. It’s what pays their bills and puts food on the table. A lot of models already have partners and don’t want to be annoyed by members looking to date them, because they’re not there for that. It’s annoying when you’re trying to do your job and someone is trying to date you/meet up with you. Plus, as stated before, that sort of talk on the site could get the model banned.

 

[MarieElise]

Obviously I'm learning a lot here and I knew nothing about this industry previously. There seems to be some percentage of models and members (I have no idea if it's a small minority or maybe it's a sizeable proportion) who think that meeting up with dates and even potential life partners on the sites is perfectly fine. Do the sites have any position about this one way or another, or do they not care so long as they keep making money? And is there any particular reason why the sites (or models in general) would be opposed to this?

I'm asking because when I was reading TOS's recently, they vary a lot. Some sites appear to be super strict about everything. Other sites seem to say, "It's not our business." I think it was Charturbate that basically says, "If you meet anybody offsite, take precautions and we won't get involved in any dispute or bear any liability." Other sites (LiveJasmin, maybe?) seem to have TOS's that say they'll ban a model if they find out.

My experiences and reading opinions here has gotten me interested in this business.

I really can’t answer your questions about that. I am of the same opinion I have always been of, That cam sites should never be used for dating sites.

There is a thing called Fosters/ seata. I would like to be of more help here. But I’m afraid I cannot be. I do not have the time right now to help any further. There are nuance and legalities involved with the Illegality of prostitution.

All I can say is that my main site is a site that does not allow any offsite contact. I appreciate that. I have been a cam model for eight years and I have never once met up with a member from a campsite or even discussed it. That is all I have to say on this matter. I do wish you luck George. But I’m going to exit this thread now. Thank you and Godspeed

I literally don’t even have the time to correct my speech to text. But I think you get what I’m saying here hopefully. Gotta go.

 

[GeorgeSpelvin]

Blocking is really binary, how can you partially block someone? It really feels like you're deliberately dragging this process out (and the thread with it) for some reason.

I should have clarified: She's blocked on the ways we normally communicated. Where she isn't blocked is on a couple of sites where we did have a little interaction in the past (but where I haven't been in a long while). So theoretically, she could send a DM there or something.

I'm sure there will be closure soon. As far as the thread, I'm just replying to comments of interest to me...especially since the thread has gone off on several tangents.

 

[rockin_rod]

SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.

There is also considerable risk to the model in both meeting up, and providing account details (real name, address, phone number etc) for off-site payments.

 

[GeorgeSpelvin]

So do some studios. I once tried to give a model my Telegram username. (She was leaving the next day for a month to undergo surgery. I just wanted her to let me know how things went) The result was catastrophic. Her studio almost fined her, and I was almost banned. She basically begged her admins not to carry through and promised them she would never call me. That was just a member offering personal info to a model. Interestingly, all her admins are female, and at this particular studio, they are strict, but actually look after the model's safety. I am sure being in Russia has something to do with that too.

Her studio almost fined her, and I was almost banned.

So you were almost banned by the particular cam site? I'm assuming that the studio can only take action against the model.

It sounds like I'll be "self-confessing" to a lot in this situation. It takes two to tango. She set up a private account and sent me numbers; I was sending money to it. She gave me her passport and other info. Most of the conversations about money moving around and meeting up are in Skype, but there were some references even in PMs on sites. Especially on StripChat and a bit on LiveJasmin.

My question, though, is if we talked about this stuff initially on a site (say StripChat) but then took the conversation to an offsite messaging system like Skype, does that then exempt everyone to whatever happened after that point? It's just two people talking on personal Skype account... But I guess the issue would be that we met and originally interacted on the sites, though?

 

[Ozzie_]

But I guess the issue would be that we met and originally interacted on the sites, though?

This.
If there was any mention on SC they would frown on it.

However, this has turned into a saga of Homeric proportions, so they may not give a tinker's cuss about it now after all this time.

 

[Nienna]

So you were almost banned by the particular cam site? I'm assuming that the studio can only take action against the model.

It sounds like I'll be "self-confessing" to a lot in this situation. It takes two to tango. She set up a private account and sent me numbers; I was sending money to it. She gave me her passport and other info. Most of the conversations about money moving around and meeting up are in Skype, but there were some references even in PMs on sites. Especially on StripChat and a bit on LiveJasmin.

My question, though, is if we talked about this stuff initially on a site (say StripChat) but then took the conversation to an offsite messaging system like Skype, does that then exempt everyone to whatever happened after that point? It's just two people talking on personal Skype account... But I guess the issue would be that we met and originally interacted on the sites, though?

You are correct, the studio can only take action against the model, but the studio can instruct the model to ban any user on any of the sites she streams on. (In my friend's case, five). So effectively, it is being banned by the studio. In terms of off-site platforms, like Skype, the studio has no jurisdiction, but I could see them threatening to terminate the contract of a model for such conduct. There is very likely a provision for conduct on off-site platforms written into her contract.

 

[Smoothie]

She's already partially blocked

So she’s not blocked?

 

[misterical]

My question, though, is if we talked about this stuff initially on a site (say StripChat) but then took the conversation to an offsite messaging system like Skype, does that then exempt everyone to whatever happened after that point? It's just two people talking on personal Skype account... But I guess the issue would be that we met and originally interacted on the sites, though?

I'd imagine that once it moves to Skype then that's an agreement between two individuals. I'm not a legal eagle but I'm assuming that a cam site wouldn't:-

1. Have access to the Skype chat even if they wanted to
2. Be able to even identify with any certainty that the two people in the conversation were you and her

Of course, point 2 above assumes that you presumably set up a fake, unidentifiable Skype account, right? I mean it's guaranteed she did. Tell me you did that at least.....

Although if you were pissing money directly into her bank account then she already knows your true identity anyway.

 

[Hiunds]

SC certainly forbids real life meet-ups and off-site payments. (There is NO grey area from them in this)
Why?
Well obviously because in those scenarios they (SC) are *not* getting their cut even though they have been the conduit for the initial meeting / transactions.

well, that and potentially facilitating prostitution

 

[Upanddown]

hey george have you thought about speaking with a therapist about this? i understand this is probably really heavy on your conscious. a therapist is a great person to speak with during stressful times to get through your thoughts and decision-making.

there is a discord that is ran by a psychiatrist who helps mainly those with jobs that are seen as taboo or I think criminals too. But my point is, he might be a good resource for you at least to run your story by. He does not give medical advice or diagnose unless you go into his office but I was referred to him after a porn career meltdown i had. The guy is good at what he does and over chat it makes it a lot easier to open up and he let you set the pace of the discussion.

He starts a fresh server everyday and the link is always the same . I just looked and it looks like he just started for the day but here is the link, it doesnt change. https://discord.gg/SBePYXhZAG

 

[AmberCutie]

In effort of everyone moving on, locked