Lol..... I've actually become a lot closer to that particular woman over time.... This model, even with her personality pathology, is very skilled at reading men (I think) and she has picked up on that...hence all the digs she started throwing out there.
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A model seeking love and a future with a client? Or a manipulative romance scammer? One year anniversary! Ideas and impressions sought, please.
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To be honest, in those last couple of interactions, I've had way more emotional distance from this -- there's been some sarcasm in my responses. I could have been rude or just cut it off, but whatever...it was what it was. In some ways, I feel even a little sorry for this woman. If this is all just her - her real personality (not a complete put on for a scam), I am not sure what that would be like for her in going about real life with other humans.
I don't totally agree. To be honest, I've enjoyed refusing to buy stuff for her. And kind of started to get a kick out of her escalating insults.
Still receiving Skype messages is bad enough but to respond at all, let alone a lengthy discussion??? I think he needed to stop a long time ago. Just like I needed to stop following this Thread a long time ago. Bye, I'll see everyone in a different Thread.
I won't argue with this. But I needed to stop about three months into the situation...that's the real truth. A week more or less now, to me, isn't all that significant. But the point is understood.
A comment: As to whatever issues I might have that led me to go down a long, dysfunctional path with this model: JohnOfC aka Matsjka aka (Insert Next Alias) may be a real nutcase. This is a guy who in the same thread lectured me on how irrational I was being, yet also told us about the skillful scams used by Russian studios...yet then told us that he has been active on MFC for a decade....while at the same time saying that porn (including webcamming) turns you into a Beta Male and has ruined a generation of men. I don't know that much about this business (and I wish I had spent more time having fun visiting other models and just having fun with it all). But this person, knowing how obsessed he seems to be (to the point of trying to find out the name of the model and pretending he spoke to her!), makes we appreciate that models must have to deal with a lot. (Apparently, you have to be wary of a lot of different kinds of people who are attracted to the sites). If he's this obsessive with this thread and the strangers (to him) who are involved....what's he like as a "client"?
From reading your description and her quoted dialogue, I think she has some kind of personality disorder and probably is incapable of forming healthy relationships. She may have antisocial personality disorder and is a sociopath, I don't know and I'm not qualified to have an opinion. But I don't think of her as a cold calculating love con woman. I think that she would do a better job at it if she was. Her behaviour is actually dysfunctional and clearly self-defeating.
It would be nice if he did seek help but realistically these incel antifem "men's rights" people don't think that they are the ones with the problem. It's our fault that we're repulsed by them.
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There comes a point where you have to put yourself first George. Good work. Some people are just toxic. Try to figure out what went wrong, or where things started to slide, so that hopefully you don't end up with another person like this.
Continue to hold your boundaries and stand strong.
Also, sorry about the weird troll, I don't know what to say about that... That's just purely bizarre. It's not often I'm lost for words on anything, but... um... yeah.
Same as the last 2 years.
Typing/ video calling / working with / playing with her, 12-16 hours day , 6 days a week, 6-9 Months of the year
& Living with her in Colombia the other 3-6 Months a year.
Due to move in with her again for another 3-6 months in May 2023
While working my real job online 12-16 hours a day... since I manage a global company in Oceania / Asia / East Europe / West Europe / Usa + Latam
So I have to flick through the timezones (work hours) of the offices throughout the day.
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I mainly drop into here occationally, when looking for extra information on a topic she needs help with.
And i've not needed help with anything for a couple of months.
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But since my bad internet is being replaced with a fast, unlimited transfers, Elon satelite, in a couple of weeks.
I might add in the multi tasking of broadcasting myself soon, again.
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It never fails to amuse me how much you think we give a shit
I’m still confused about how you can move your global operations (and six monitors) from Australia to Colombia without incurring horrendous shipping charges.
From my Ukrainian perspective:
1. It’s okay for Slavic woman expect gifts and financial help from a man. Whoever says their girl is telling him to not spend too much money is rather got an unusually low self esteem.
It’s one of the biggest signs that man into us, typically complaining about some issue and man to step in and “rescue” us with money or action - is a very, very Slavic woman thing to do.
2. Her English is normal. Some expressions she’s using is definitely coming from Russian speaker. And in 4 years of camming of course she picked up a lot especially if her shows based on chatting. She might have better English in writing than speaking because she’s reading more in English and knows words but can’t pronounce them correctly and doesn’t get enough speaking practice in real life - it’s very common.
3. The only thing that is kinda off is if she expressed romantic interest first. This is unusual, usually woman would wait it out until man expressed it first.
4. She definitely seems depressed and bit cuckoo but who wouldn’t in her situation? She’s in awful cold ass, dictatorship country, economy sucks, banks don’t work properly, a lot of camming sites kicking out Russian models, future is extremely unstable, who knows how many more men will be sent to pointless war and being 25 she might not ever find one to marry.
5. She still might be in it just for money or she might have interested in marrying and gtfo of Russia. Which is kinda good idea, if she doesn’t have a proper education & expertise to pursue career abroad and given how Russian looked down upon… using her youth & beauty might give her the best shot.
6. You’re awful. You trying to present yourself as innocent sheep but we only see one side of this story, thing you say to her not nice either, even though you pick and choose what to post. Who even says “your previous bfs didn’t help you so I also shouldn’t”. It’s embarrassing. It’s same if woman says “oh your exes didn’t do blow jobs/didn’t cook borsch? So I won’t either, although I’d normally do it”. It’s actually very common in my observation when westerner (American) husband/bf “reminds” his foreigner (3rd world countries) SO that she’s came from shit hole so she doesn’t need nice things that would be literally basics for any American woman. It’s absolutely awful and shows that you think of yourself as superior to her.
1. It’s okay for Slavic woman expect gifts and financial help from a man. Whoever says their girl is telling him to not spend too much money is rather got an unusually low self esteem.
It’s one of the biggest signs that man into us, typically complaining about some issue and man to step in and “rescue” us with money or action - is a very, very Slavic woman thing to do.
2. Her English is normal. Some expressions she’s using is definitely coming from Russian speaker. And in 4 years of camming of course she picked up a lot especially if her shows based on chatting. She might have better English in writing than speaking because she’s reading more in English and knows words but can’t pronounce them correctly and doesn’t get enough speaking practice in real life - it’s very common.
3. The only thing that is kinda off is if she expressed romantic interest first. This is unusual, usually woman would wait it out until man expressed it first.
4. She definitely seems depressed and bit cuckoo but who wouldn’t in her situation? She’s in awful cold ass, dictatorship country, economy sucks, banks don’t work properly, a lot of camming sites kicking out Russian models, future is extremely unstable, who knows how many more men will be sent to pointless war and being 25 she might not ever find one to marry.
5. She still might be in it just for money or she might have interested in marrying and gtfo of Russia. Which is kinda good idea, if she doesn’t have a proper education & expertise to pursue career abroad and given how Russian looked down upon… using her youth & beauty might give her the best shot.
6. You’re awful. You trying to present yourself as innocent sheep but we only see one side of this story, thing you say to her not nice either, even though you pick and choose what to post. Who even says “your previous bfs didn’t help you so I also shouldn’t”. It’s embarrassing. It’s same if woman says “oh your exes didn’t do blow jobs/didn’t cook borsch? So I won’t either, although I’d normally do it”. It’s actually very common in my observation when westerner (American) husband/bf “reminds” his foreigner (3rd world countries) SO that she’s came from shit hole so she doesn’t need nice things that would be literally basics for any American woman. It’s absolutely awful and shows that you think of yourself as superior to her.
The one with the Russian girlfriends was probably me. I didn't say they told me not to buy them things. But they never demanded or expected me to spends thousands on them regularly for things like iPhones. If they needed something expensive we would discuss it, decide what they actually needed and I would decide what I could afford at the time. I have a feeling that the culture in Kazan is fairly different from Ukraine. They're still pissed off about Ivan the Terrible conquering them in 1552.
I’m not sure who was it, just one commenter said that their favorite cam girl asked not to spend much money because she raised prices.
I’m married to American, we met on Tinder after I moved abroad, he definitely bought me quite a bit of iPhones, other Apple products, jewelry, trips, clothes and other nice things before we even were married. We both have high income tho, but I was never shy to tell what gift I’d like and I definitely did say like “ooooooh my favorite hair straightener broke what am I gonna doooo” and he would show up with new hair straightener to “save me”. I love when my husband buys me gifts and flowers! It’s definitely depends on income and what man can afford though, sometimes girls settle or don’t ask for much because they don’t think they deserve much,
but 100% certain it is Slavic women with adequate self esteem do love man to be a provider and give gifts.. I don’t know why they often being blamed for it though. Many nationalities like this, go tell Arab woman do 50/50 on something she will laugh in your face lol
I have to say, at this late stage, I didn't expect someone to step in and champion the model. Before anyone else gets the chance, I'm claiming the film rights to this one. There's fucking miles in this one yet. I reckon I could turn it into a Star Wars style, 9 episode epic.
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No. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not a helpless girl who needs to be saved by a man. Fuck no.
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I’m not necessarily champion the model, but OP is so arrogant this is made me to comment. Thought his entire thread, responses, the way he speaks with her all I can see is how he’s looking down on her as if she’s second grade human. Like when he says her reasons to be depressed is only financial. Like duh dude poverty can make you VERY depressed or dead or homeless. She’s literally doing illegal job, in studio that’s takes big cut, with no health insurance, no paid sick leave, everything in world shutting down on Russia, it’s might soon be impossible for her get pay outs from sites, she can’t move abroad because has no one out there, after Putin sends to pointless war all men he might start sending women for all he cares
Her life IS depressing, but OP with disposable income be like “uh all you’re worried about is money”.
It never fails to amuse me how ... everytime i come to the forum to look up a bit of information.
Theres always many feeling the need to reply, ask, question, input, into my relationship.
I have an office, 2 monitors, etc etc at her house, that I plug the laptop into when I land. For my work.
And use her computers and monitors for her work.
Cant use one computer/laptop for multi purpose, due to work security, custom checks, etc etc.
I don't think you read Lilly's post properly at all. She didn't question your relationship.
She questioned the constant stream of Gordon Gecko "I work 12-16 hours a day, run the world, eating is for wimps" kind of bullshit that you always come here spouting.
Take that shit to LinkedIn where people will no doubt masturbate over it.
Nobody has asked you to overshare about your relationship, work and personal life. You’ve done that all on your own.
Your posts where you type itemized paragraphs about all the things you do for your girlfriend and how important your job is, sometimes without any prompt, has the opposite of what is probably your intended affect. It doesn’t make you look cool or important. It makes you look very insecure and it’s cringe-y to read. Because it’s so cringeworthy that’s why you get the feedback you’ve gotten.
Not only did she express it first, but it was after we had been communicating for about 3-4 weeks. And she later said (which I put somewhere in this thread) that she knew within 1.5 months that I was someone of real significant to her in a romantic way. This is part of the reason why I was skeptical and also why a lot of people in this thread said that it's a hallmark of a scammer to begin professing romantic feelings so quickly.
That was the original purpose of my post: actual confusion about her intentions. I was looking for opinions of other models and members about the situation.
What does innocence have to do with it? Of course I can't post 12 months of conversations but I can assure you that the majority of our conversations were very fun, and many were also really affectionate. You seem to have some clear biases but you aren't understanding that this is a person I actually had genuine feelings for. The reason that I made the post in the first place was because after an entire year, it was still confusing as to what her actual intentions were. Specifically: Does she really want a relationship? Is this all serious? She wants to meet and move from her country? Or is this just a long con? A trail of bread crumbs to keep a guy sending money and giving gifts for years?
Where it started to get frayed was in recent months when the requests for help started to read more liked demands AND I also began to notice discrepancies (and some outright lies). It started to become more and more about her trying to get a big flow of money and an assertion I should basically be supporting her. I get what you are saying about Slavic cultures (and others), but this isn't supporting a girlfriend...this is supporting someone I've never met in person and who had yet to even commit to visiting!
You took that out of context but as noted, this is from one of our latter conversations, by which point things were getting ugly...just lots of entitlement from her...and even some insults thrown in for good measure. But again - don't miss the point: Whether or not her previous boyfriends supported her or gave her lots of nice gifts -- I was NOT her boyfriend! She wanted me to provide money and gifts AS THOUGH I was a real life boyfriend....and after a point, that also raised some red flags.
You clearly have some biases. I get it that you endorse the notion that the rich guy is supposed to come in and "buy" the girlfriend (and that's a notion lots of people have, not just in Slavic cultures). But you rare missing the fact that I thought for a long time that this woman and I were genuinely close. Still, some of her statements are outrageously narcissistic and entitled, as I look back on them. I don't feel superior to her and I was genuinely interested in her....but over time, it started to come across increasingly sketchy. I wouldn't take issue with it if her goal was simply, "I want to find a guy with money who I like, to get me out of Russia." That would at least be sincere. What I WOULD have an issue with is someone blatantly lying to someone for a year about having feelings they didn't have -- purely to extract as much money as possible. That's just a scam. And from what others here have said, it's a scam common in studios in Eastern Europe and Russia.
You saw snippets from the very last couple of interactions after an entire year of conversations that were each sometimes 2-3 hours duration. By that point, I was "over" multiple aspects of the situation... I won't make this thread any crazier but I could post long transcripts that look like two people who are very "into" each other and believe me, I was very respectful and didn't at all "look down" on her. But after a point, when one starts to wonder if one is being conned, it has an adverse effect....
I'm guessing you are young enough not to have grown up under the Soviet Union. Back then most of that was never an option. They could complain all they wanted, they weren't going to be handed it. There was a lot of pride in being independent, they were survivors. If they ended up with one of the rare boyfriends with money they could ask or expect things. But they were few and far between in the 90s outside Moscow that weren't involved in crime. They would watch what you describe on tv, if they had one, and wish. As an example both of my girlfriends were doctors, one was a surgeon. She was paid $100 a month. Drugstores sold medical packs that included scapels, needles, tubing etc. People would buy them before going in because due to lack of resources the hospitals would reuse thing that were not meant to be and couldn't be completely sterilized. This was in the 2000s.
I'm guessing the difference in our perception is based on generation and location. Ukraine was always more exposed to western economies than most of Russia.
I born In 1993 (29 now) and my parents were pretty poor when I was growing up and 90s were pretty wild where I am from.
So you’re saying that older Russian women is less demanding? Could be. On the so-called “socials” where tour groups of foreigners would come and select women like in candy shop? Is that what you’re referring to? That times long passed. Hence nowadays foreigners so, so confused when Ukrainian/Russian women know their worth and foreigners can’t get Natalia Vodianova looking girl to come live in a farm of Midwest and cook vareniki for her 55 y.o husband that never buys her iPhone lol
Girl in discussion is 25. She’s been on Instagram, tik tok and she’s travelled, she’s well aware what nice things are. In this threads usually discussing girls in their 20s, I never seen thread of these about women 35+, so comparison with Soviet Union survivors is irrelevant.
From my Canadian perspective, fuck that noise.
I don't want "saving" with costly gifts. I don't want anyone I'm in a relationship with to question my motives or have any doubt that I'm there with him because I want to be with him. I for damn sure expect to be respected as a human being and a grown woman.
I don't want "saving" with costly gifts. I don't want anyone I'm in a relationship with to question my motives or have any doubt that I'm there with him because I want to be with him. I for damn sure expect to be respected as a human being and a grown woman.
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You asking it on internet? It could be 15 minutes conversation with Her. I also didn’t see how old are you?
Because when I started camming in Ukraine back in 2013 I started in studio, and few girls from my studio ended up marrying guys they met on cam, and now live abroad, still married, some have children. This is not That uncommon. But in all this scenarios age gap was not big, man was 3 years older maximum or they were of same age. So if your age gap is big as if 25 and 55 it’s bigger red flag than anything else tbh.
So before it was enjoyable and worth what you were spending then it became not enjoyable? Absolutely fair enough of you to stop spending money on something that’s not enjoyable. You are outright saying you enjoying seeing this woman asking for money and denying her it. As soon as it became not enjoyable you could just say “Our situationship is no longer enjoyable for me, I want to stop communication/become regular client as before etc etc”. She would be at first in discomfort and try to sort it out because obviously she was spending her personal time doing all the things with you that you enjoyed previously, but then she would get back on her feet and spend this time working and make up for income loss.
But the real question is, if you could know for sure, 100% that she’s in love with you, would you get her all the things she’s asking for? So you’re interested if she’s “Truly” interested but if she’s not then she’s a scammer from internet?
Or the woman with such expectations is not someone you’d ever want irl, and don’t want such demanding cam girl to go to? No longer entertaining? - then easy, ditch the girl.
So you were giving her more money because she was telling you about her feelings (real or not)? This was affecting your decision In how much money you’d give her yet you didn’t think of yourself as her boyfriend of some sort? But what happened is you got bored of it and you not longer get dopamine rush from it?
And vice versa.
I don't care where a woman is from or what her history is, if she's looking at me as a walking wallet or some sort of saviour to rescue her, then I'm not interested. Sure if a relationship is established, then of course I would *assist* with things, that's what a relationship is: a *partnership*.
Your stereotyping aside... That example wouldn't apply here, would it now? Because this woman isn't my wife or even a girlfriend. As others pointed out, she's basically a stranger I only know from the internet and have never even met in person.
Here's a question: Is it common in Slavic culture for a woman to ask a man she don't really know and has never even met to wire thousands of dollars per month to her for "expenses"?
I don't know the answer but I happened to come across an article recently saying that "love scams" are at a record high and warning that a big proportion of the total worldwide originate out of Russia and Ukraine. So...just sayin'...
So sorry that people in Russia have it rough but doesn't obligate me to buy iPhones and pay veterinary bills for a stranger. Happy to buy nice things when we actually meet and start dating.
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