3D interactive virtual porn

[zippypinhead]

Yeah, 3D visual is not much of an advance over 2D, and I still think the best virtual experience is a good book. Anamatronic sex slaves are a posibility, but I'm be using mine mostly for housework.

Sexy, sexy housework.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I will lastly say to you I have never once felt I was better or above most members on camsites. Who I am above though is you Punk.

The fact that you think you are above anyone is why you are so far beneath everyone.

You really seem like a miserable human being 90% of the time on this forum. I do hope you find happiness one day as everyone deserves that. You seem very unpeaceful, very bitter yourself, and very argumentative and close minded.

Same can be said about a bunch a camgirls here. I'm a pretty happy guy most of the time. You don't really know anything about me but you can believe and tell yourself whatever, I can't pretend to care what you think of me.

So you are not someone I would ever have in my life in any way.

Darn someone who I have never had any desire to even speak with doesn't like me. Someone I didn't even know existed until recently doesn't want someone like me in their life.

I am one of the nicest people you could ever meet, UNTIL you attack me. I will stand up for myself every time.

Same here, you might get it one day. Notice how every time I get into arguments with people here that, eh, why bother. One day you might be able to understand the points I'm constantly trying to make.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back?

lol oh man was high enough to be quoting Joe Dirt, classic movie but probably a good sign that it is time to slow down.

 

[Teagan]

Like I said it's just sad to me. Go ahead and keep rambling on attacking people all you want. Anything you say to me is meaningless as you have proven my point and then some. I'll say it again I do hope one day you find happiness in your life.

 

[AmberCutie]

While we are side tracked...

If many cam girls are like me, they do them selves up, put on their best smiley happy face and attitude and get on cam. Showing off the best side of us when we are being seen by members. When we are off cam on our own, we are likely the most average down earth chicks you may imagine. Not out of anyone's league, much less above our regular members.

Sure, there are a ton of cam site members who may act like window licking idiots when they speak in our rooms, but that doesn't represent all or even a majority of our supportive viewers. The are so many decent and successful people interacting with us daily and we may never know how attractive of a human they are because of the anonymity of the web.

It makes me sad to see or hear fellow cam girls making statements of how we are above anyone or out of peoples league. Part of what makes cam girls so approachable and entertaining is that we are just normal girls doing something a bit naughty via webcam. Let's not ruin that by putting our feet in our mouths. ( because honestly we would require a huge tip for that, right??! )

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Like I said it's just sad to me. Go ahead and keep rambling on attacking people all you want. Anything you say to me is meaningless as you have proven my point and then some. I'll say it again I do hope one day you find happiness in your life.

I'm going to stop posting in this thread in hopes that you stop embarrassing yourself. My last post wasn't even an attack and you didn't even have a point. The only reason I responded to you was to defend myself. I've never once initiated any conversations with you and nor will I. Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better, hilariously sad, but also sadly predictable.

 

[Red7227]

Like I said it's just sad to me. Go ahead and keep rambling on attacking people all you want. Anything you say to me is meaningless as you have proven my point and then some. I'll say it again I do hope one day you find happiness in your life.

I'm going to stop posting in this thread in hopes that you stop embarrassing yourself. My last post wasn't even an attack and you didn't even have a point. The only reason I responded to you was to defend myself. I've never once initiated any conversations with you and nor will I. Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better, hilariously sad, but also sadly predictable.

She does have nice tits though.

 

[zippypinhead]

We already have virtual experiences for sex. Hell, camming is a virtual experience. I do appreciate that something like 3-D visors are looking to make the experience somehow more immersive, but until some sort of sensory avatar that deals with touch comes on the market, it won't matter if it's 3-D or flat -- the "reality" part of virtual reality will be sorely lacking, especially when it comes to things like simulated sex. I suspect that waving your hands around in empty air in order to control your environment isn't going to be all that satisfying when what your brain wants is to feel some hot, supple, lusty flesh, or at least a fair facsimile thereof.

I'll just wait for animatronic sex bots.

They do have those real touch doo-hickeys but I don't think they've really taken off. Might be because they are limiting it to the site it's used on through.

If they can make a real touch doo-hickey for hands, that would be getting somewhere.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Re leagues:
Hasn't anyone ever heard of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"?!
Personally, I don't (usually) find the typical Hollywood movie star male attractive.
I like older men. I like chubby men. I like hairy men. I like dark eyes. And balding doesn't bother me.
When I was dating my ex husband my Nana said to me, "do you have a low self esteem? You never date attractive men."
I was shocked and offended! My ex husband was beautiful in my eyes. No, I don't mean I think he had a good personality and that's what made him cute. I mean, I genuinely believed he was a handsome man.
So when I hear someone talk about cam models being out of members leagues over physical appearance, I just don't even understand it. We all have different preferences and are attracted to different things.

 

[zippypinhead]

Re leagues:
Hasn't anyone ever heard of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"?!
Personally, I don't (usually) find the typical Hollywood movie star male attractive.
I like older men. I like chubby men. I like hairy men. I like dark eyes. And balding doesn't bother me.
When I was dating my ex husband my Nana said to me, "do you have a low self esteem? You never date attractive men."
I was shocked and offended! My ex husband was beautiful in my eyes. No, I don't mean I think he had a good personality and that's what made him cute. I mean, I genuinely believed he was a handsome man.
So when I hear someone talk about cam models being out of members leagues over physical appearance, I just don't even understand it. We all have different preferences and are attracted to different things.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I think I'm arguing this not because I truly think that the majority of members are Brad Pitt-esque conquerers of pussy, but because this is the first time I'm learning that it might matter to models that they're not, and it seems strange to me.

I can honestly say that I have never given a flying fuck what member's look like. Like I said, I'm someone who like Megan goes out with guys primarily based on personality. I actually got a bit fed up with being consistently judged for my choices in boyfriends so now I do take looks into it when thinking about someone to be with longer term.

The point I was making was more that if you take one of the girls who has a lot of viewers, most of those girls are super hot. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder but anyone watching is going to find them hot. Not just going by members, but most men wouldn't be able to have a relationship with that girl or a similar looking girl. Not saying it doesn't happen, but chances are he's going to have more chance going after a girl who doesn't look like that. Obviously not all camgirls look like that but a lot of the ones who actually have more than 5 people in their rooms are very attractive.
It's not that I care at all about member's looks who are in my room, why would I? I was more commenting on that when standards keep going up it becomes harder for people to find relationships. The media is already an example of this. I don't like the idea of people being less satisfied by reality.
I also don't think I'm some kind of super model, I think in the cam world I am pretty average looking. In the real world judging by the fact that I get chatted up everywhere I go and get consistently told I'm beautiful yada yada I believe taking my age into consideration I'm an above average looking person.

 

[TheAliceLane]

I think I'm arguing this not because I truly think that the majority of members are Brad Pitt-esque conquerers of pussy, but because this is the first time I'm learning that it might matter to models that they're not, and it seems strange to me.

I can honestly say that I have never given a flying fuck what member's look like. Like I said, I'm someone who like Megan goes out with guys primarily based on personality. I actually got a bit fed up with being consistently judged for my choices in boyfriends so now I do take looks into it when thinking about someone to be with longer term.

The point I was making was more that if you take one of the girls who has a lot of viewers, most of those girls are super hot. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder but anyone watching is going to find them hot. Not just going by members, but most men wouldn't be able to have a relationship with that girl or a similar looking girl. Not saying it doesn't happen, but chances are he's going to have more chance going after a girl who doesn't look like that. Obviously not all camgirls look like that but a lot of the ones who actually have more than 5 people in their rooms are very attractive.
It's not that I care at all about member's looks who are in my room, why would I? I was more commenting on that when standards keep going up it becomes harder for people to find relationships. The media is already an example of this. I don't like the idea of people being less satisfied by reality.
I also don't think I'm some kind of super model, I think in the cam world I am pretty average looking. In the real world judging by the fact that I get chatted up everywhere I go and get consistently told I'm beautiful yada yada I believe taking my age into consideration I'm an above average looking person.

I have to chime in finally with this comment. I have been creeping on this thread as most of the forum has been I am sure. So this particular statement in which you are overall stating that only attractive girls have high room counts. Insert foot to mouth. Yikes. I find that A LOT of stunning girls with amazing personalities to boot suffer with low room counts and low camscores. I used to think I could do better on MFC if I lost a few pounds, but the more I spent time watching cams I realized that simply was not the case. There are TONS of perfect bodies with perfect faces who struggle.

Overall I feel I am a pretty girl along with a lovable approachable relatable personality.

I suffer with low room counts. Yes sometimes it's a struggle to have more than 5 people in my room. Is it always like that no, but it happens enough for me to comment. So basically you are saying girls like me are unattractive if I read that correctly? Well thanks for informing me of my unattractiveness based on your thought process/standards.

I like to believe that based on data and facts that I have low room counts due to lower camscore lower placement on page. Also AwesomeKate previously on another topic had posted some interesting research to back up why most popular rooms are always listed in most popular rooms. A lot of it is based simply on numbers clicks and the process of internet searching.

I guess I feel like you went from attacking members to now attacking camgirls in your grasp to make your point.

Side note you said a girl who has a lot of people in her room anyone who visits her room is going to find her attractive...ummm....not sure about anyone else, but I highly disagree with that statement. :?

For example I don't think trainwreck cams with a ton of people watching her make an ass out of herself is all that attractive. :naughty:

I also like EVERYONE else in the world have things I find attractive or people who please my eyeballs more than others. Not all cams listed in most popular at any given time are cams I find pleasurable to my eyeballs and I am going to take a good guess that goes for ALL members. We are not robots and neither are our members who without them we would be NOTHING on cam. I am so thankful for my boys who love me even though I don't have 500 other people in my room to prove I am attractive to the world and apparently "above their league because of that room count" according to you because that is the only way they could possibly be attracted to me. :?

Just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[Teagan]

Like I said it's just sad to me. Go ahead and keep rambling on attacking people all you want. Anything you say to me is meaningless as you have proven my point and then some. I'll say it again I do hope one day you find happiness in your life.

I'm going to stop posting in this thread in hopes that you stop embarrassing yourself. My last post wasn't even an attack and you didn't even have a point. The only reason I responded to you was to defend myself. I've never once initiated any conversations with you and nor will I. Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better, hilariously sad, but also sadly predictable.

I very much had a point but it will always be lost on you obviously. Again you are just proving my point over and over again. You did attack me and initiated the contact to begin with here. I in no way attacked you until you did. But again we'll just have to disagree here. If you think no one sees what you're doing though you're assuming very wrong. You're completely transparent. I'm just sticking with what I said and wishing you happiness.


@Alice Correct me if i'm wrong but where did Isabella say that girls with low room counts are unattractive in any way? Maybe i'm just taking what she said differently than you. My impression was that yes the more popular rooms are that because the majority of members at that given time find those girls more attracting over all. Either in looks, personality, funness, entertainment, etc. Yes there are trainwreck rooms who get up there too but on a whole those trainwreck rooms aren't there and aren't being spoken about here. So the guys who visit the most popular rooms are there for one of those reasons. Just cause they are doesn't mean there aren't wonderfully gorgeous girls or other ones who have great personalities or entertainment that are struggling. Those top rooms may not be pleasurable to watch to you, or me, or someone else but on a whole they are for one of those reasons. That is taking nothing away from the other girls though and I do not think she meant it that way at all.
Personally I have no clue if the room i'm in is the most popular or not cause I never look at that even. The only time I know I was in one was because members were talking about it having one of the highest room counts ever on MFC. Violet and Aspen were together and even Leo was in the room tipping. But I look for who is entertaining to me in one way or another and those are the girls I tip too. I don't care about a rooms count, I care about the woman I'm watching.

 

[GweenBlack]

Isabella, your posts usually make me cringe. You hate members, you hate being a cam model, you are so opinionated about it that i have NO IDEA why you do this.

Being an adult entertainer is caring, or at least pretend to care, so people can have fun. We are there to make people happy and live a fantasy, you are so bitter about everything that i have no idea how are you still in this job. :twocents-02cents:

We are not super models, nobody is out of our leagues, we are human beings, the only difference is that we expose ourselves on a camera. We have to get out feet on the ground, life is too short to be so bitter, and stop being so prolix, god damn.

 

[zippypinhead]

This thread is seriously toxic.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I very much had a point but it will always be lost on you obviously. Again you are just proving my point over and over again. You did attack me and initiated the contact to begin with here. I in no way attacked you until you did.

You spoke about me in a post, I had to defend myself. I still haven't attacked you and you still have no point.

If you think no one sees what you're doing though you're assuming very wrong. You're completely transparent. I'm just sticking with what I said and wishing you happiness.

Oh, you'd be surprised how many here get what I do. You seem pretty clueless about it but your determination to keep embarrassing yourself is admirable I guess. Like I said, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better. I can only hope that one day you realize the points that pretty much everyone but you seems to understand. I have no desire to continue speaking with you but when you mention me in a post or quote me I have to respond. If thinking you are above me makes you feel better about your position in life, go for it. You keep proving you aren't above anything. If you really wish me happiness, stop talking to me because not having to talk to someone like you anymore would make me quite happy.

 

[BarbieLuv]

This thread is seriously toxic.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Thanks Teagan, you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. That wasn't what I was insinuating in the slightest! I don't know if this has gone to "lets just assume everything that Izzie says it meant in a nasty way" but come on... I'm blunt and can very a bit foot in mouth as I voice things that most people won't say even if they think these things, but since when have I ever been downright nasty to anyone? I think saying that Punk was as attractive as old cod was the nastiest thing I've said to anyone in about a year. And it wasn't exactly a serious insult.

I know it's really easy to get on the rage bandwagon when someone writes something that one person finds offensive and others disagree with and generally go on attack mode. Then no one wants to agree with the person in the line of fire because they'll end up getting people raging at them. I know this because I do exactly the same thing when one of these threads roll in and I disagree with them. But come on, I'm not some random troll who's come into this forum randomly, I've been active here for nearly 3 years. I know that it's ridiculously hard to convey tone on forums but I have never written a post with the intention of upsetting anyone. I'm sorry that after this long many of you seem to feel the opposite way, and I'm amazed that after so long you still take these kind of posts so seriously.

I am not saying that members are somehow unattractive. I'm not saying that all models are some above and beyond hotness. I am not saying that models who have less than 5 viewers are somehow unattractive? The last post I wrote in a rush so I'm sorry if it came out that way, it really wasn't my intention.

To be honest my original comment wasn't even that shocking. It's something that happens on a daily basis on tv etc. It's not always put so bluntly but it often it. No I would not go up to a person that I felt was less attractive than me and go "I'm out of your league." That would be ridiculous. But to be honest, when I'm working in the pub and an unattractive dude in his 50s/60s continuously asks me out the thought does go through my head. It's not that I'm a better person than him, I'm sure he's lovely, but there's a reason he's asking me out and it's because of how I look and come across. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells saying this stuff but it's surely not that far out there.
I never even meant all members/all models, just that the majority were and all of it was opinionated. Hence the large amounts of "I thinks". That to me is anything up from 55%. It's really not that out there seeing as a lot of members seem to pick someone to watch who they feel is especially good looking/interesting/sexy. Some members do also pick girls that they feel they might have a chance with under different circumstances. When writing the post in question I also stated I feel that members like the guys I've met on ACF aren't included in the whole "league" thing because almost all of you are amazing to chat to. I don't know if league means something completely different to everyone else than it does to me. I meant it as a light and broad term and I don't think what I meant is what you're all thinking I meant so I clearly used the wrong word...

I actually don't cam anymore, I come on to say hi to regulars occasionally but I packed it in after doing my last mega month which was over a year ago. I'm really not bitter about it. I just come across that way in posts because this is my only place to vent. Ha if you guys heard me talk about my job and you guys on ACF to my real life friends you'd never know it's me because it's all sunshine and rainbows, I'm not even kidding. I do have issues with men. Not members. Men in general. This is something that both the girls and the members here (and on mfc) have inadvertently helped me with a fuck load over the past 3 years. Believe it or not but in real life I'm pretty open minded, one of the reasons I end up writing posts that come across as pretty concrete is because it brings out a variety of opinions that you usually wouldn't be given. Having people question me on things like this forces me to learn. For example this thread. I will defend the point I was making but I've already changed my opinion. I'm not swayed into the idea that most members are as good looking as most models, it just doesn't make sense to me as maybe I'm looking at a different site to everyone else but the models I see are HOT. I'm sure there are more attractive members on a camsite then there are models at each time, but I just can't help but believe that on the bigger picture if you were to do some kind of test on the camgirls rating the guys who view them on how attractive they find them and how attractive the guys find the camgirls both imagining they met them in real life the camgirls average would come out considerably higher. No test has been run so I'm only estimating on how attractive I find camgirls and how attractive I find the general population of men.

@Bob- Forgive me if I'm wrong, I didn't have time to mention it in my last post, but if my memory is correct I can remember you posting some very handsome photos of yourself in another thread a while back. If I'm not just making this up then Bob I think you're gorgeous and when you end up in the bed of a really hot girl then it'll be a mixture of your looks and your great personality.
I remember a whole load of crushes happening in the models only section (including me!) as members posted their pictures in that public thread. Probably my favourite ACF moment. Even better than some of the classic troll smackdowns. With everything I said about leagues and shit, I think a lot of the guys on ACF are in leagues of their own. I've never met a group of men before who have so many amazing qualities. The respect you treat women with is incredible. I've met some great guys while camming but this forum seems to have brought in some of the best. I may beat down on a lot of members, because lets face it, a lot of them are total arsehats, but guys like you, you are the ones who make it worth it!

And @Punk. Please leave Teagan alone. Not that you'd listen to me but for christ sake if you want to rage at someone rage at me. She's not even making the point that I made which apparently got you enraged! You're literally just hounding at her for no reason! Me and you have disagreed since I can first remember you posting on a thread about weed and me stating I don't like smoking it because it's caused me issues in the past and that was pretty much the end of anything civil apparently...

 

[PunkInDrublic]

And @Punk. Please leave Teagan alone. Not that you'd listen to me but for christ sake if you want to rage at someone rage at me. She's not even making the point that I made which apparently got you enraged! You're literally just hounding at her for no reason! Me and you have disagreed since I can first remember you posting on a thread about weed and me stating I don't like smoking it because it's caused me issues in the past and that was pretty much the end of anything civil apparently...

I don't think I've raged at all in this thread and I'm certainly not enraged. Not hounding her, responding to her posts. You love making things up. I think I remember that weed thread differently but can't find it. You said something really stupid, shocking I know, like "pretty clear that weed has no medicinal purposes" and I tried to point out that you were wrong.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I never understand this defensiveness of weed, it's pretty obvious it's not actually good for you, mentally or physically.

Found it I think. Pretty obvious that it is a wonder drug for many. I would link you to thousands of studies and proof of how good it is for many physically but you'd still believe what you want to believe so no point in trying to change your mind. Not saying it is good for me or everyone, I have no reason for it besides that I just enjoy it.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Just noticed that I did initiate a conversation with TeaganChase in a recent thread in general camming by asking her a question, so I was definitely wrong about that. My bad and my bad for the triple post.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Weed has many properties inside it which have great effects, but that's not necessarily transferred into health benefits if you smoke it. There are also a shed load of studies that disprove studies that show it's good for you and vice versa. Also some of the bad properties of weed can counteract the positive ones so it's not really the wonder drug yet, though it might be. I'm not anti weed, I think it's a nice drug but I also believe like any drug it has its negative effects if used beyond moderation. I personally get negative effects from weed if I say stay in a house where it's smoked a lot for over a week, I'll start getting depressed and will feel really off several weeks later. Those feelings do fade but it happens without fail every time. What I meant by that particular post is I never understand why so many people who are into weed seem to refuse to accept that it has negative effects when it clearly does. Alcohol is an incredible drug, so are most drugs that get abused. I don't hear other drug users defending their drug to the ground and refusing to accept that it can have negative effects because it can also have positive effects. Mentally weed can cause a whole bunch of issues, mainly depression and paranoia and physically unless you're eating it you're breathing smoke into your lungs. It was a point made in another thread a long time ago and you jumped down my throat for it as well as others who didn't agree with you, and after that you joined a few threads I was in and randomly attacked me without making any point on the topic. I've argued and debated things with people on here quite a bit, even people who I consider good friends, but I've never let it run into another thread except with you. You seem to have a habit of picking out a really small statement in other people's posts and then will disregard anything else they say.

And as for hounding Teagan, you're being pretty unpleasant in your responses, they don't seem to add any value than just to try and be nasty and put her down. There's a difference between someone saying something in a post that another person doesn't agree with, and someone responding with their opinion and writing a post that is filled with disdain and venom directed at another person because you don't agree with them.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

And as for hounding Teagan, you're being pretty unpleasant in your responses, they don't seem to add any value than just to try and be nasty and put her down. There's a difference between someone saying something in a post that another person doesn't agree with, and someone responding with their opinion and writing a post that is filled with disdain and venom directed at another person because you don't agree with them.

How am I hounding her by responding to her posts directed at me or mentioning me? If anything, she was hounding me. You're unpleasant in pretty much all your posts here. You never add anything besides extreme bitterness and nastiness and you constantly try to put people down. Why do you keep talking to me when you dislike me so much? Notice how I'm always pointing out how wrong and mean and miserable you are? Notice how I seem to get along surprisingly well with the women here that aren't bitter and delusional and miserable? Notice how I almost never randomly do this and I only do it to the girls that have similar characteristics as you? I've tried for years to help you but I have to throw in the towel. You can go ahead and write up more delusional bibles, make up whatever you want, continue to make camgirls look awful, continue to reinforce every negative stereotype about camgirls, I can't keep wasting time and energy on you.

 

[TheAliceLane]

@Alice Correct me if i'm wrong but where did Isabella say that girls with low room counts are unattractive in any way? Maybe i'm just taking what she said differently than you. My impression was that yes the more popular rooms are that because the majority of members at that given time find those girls more attracting over all. Either in looks, personality, funness, entertainment, etc. Yes there are trainwreck rooms who get up there too but on a whole those trainwreck rooms aren't there and aren't being spoken about here. So the guys who visit the most popular rooms are there for one of those reasons. Just cause they are doesn't mean there aren't wonderfully gorgeous girls or other ones who have great personalities or entertainment that are struggling. Those top rooms may not be pleasurable to watch to you, or me, or someone else but on a whole they are for one of those reasons. That is taking nothing away from the other girls though and I do not think she meant it that way at all.
Personally I have no clue if the room i'm in is the most popular or not cause I never look at that even. The only time I know I was in one was because members were talking about it having one of the highest room counts ever on MFC. Violet and Aspen were together and even Leo was in the room tipping. But I look for who is entertaining to me in one way or another and those are the girls I tip too. I don't care about a rooms count, I care about the woman I'm watching.

So this: Obviously not all camgirls look like that but a lot of the ones who actually have more than 5 people in their rooms are very attractive. -Bella
That statement to me is very much stating exactly what what I took it as. Meaning if you have 5 or less in your room you are unattractive. In her attempt to prove what she was saying about members being out of "most cam girls leagues" she used girls with large room counts as an example. Meaning anyone with less is as repulsive and below her as the members of MFC are. So no I don't think my response was out of context.

Another thing no where in my statement did I say I do not like girls with high ranks or high room counts. I simply stated that her satement of "anyone who visits any high count room on mfc will find that girl attractive" is completely false. I used an example of trainwreck cams as a funny instance. Also your statement of all rooms with high counts are like that because the guys has searched them out out. Again false. THere are a few reasons why someone could be in a room that has a high room count. One being the obvious that they are a reg second being that they are lazy and research proves that someone wants the least amount of clicks when finding ANYTHING on the internet including a cam room to sit in. When you google you click on the first or second thing that pops up from your search right? Same goes for MFC top page easy click you don't have to go searching or a quick click to most popular room and again quick click. Anything more than 3 clicks away is just too much lol this is the age of instant gratification.

Now with that being said:

I LOVE LOVE LOVE watching a lot of the top girls who have large room counts!

A lot of them have worked years to get where they are and have been through many struggles, but as most will agree high cam score usually means bigger room count REGARDLESS of what you look like. THere are girls that struggled with below 800 scores who now are CRAZY huge on MFC and what were they unattractive before they got their chance to shine and now suddenly bc they have a big camscore and a high room count they are more attractive hahahhaahahha

There is a science to camscores and room counts and making it all work. Once you start to get that higher camscore you have a better chance of being seen. Getting your camscore up is simple math and anyone can do it if done properly and with hard work.

They are amazing and I chat with some of those girls they are amazing.I have also cammed with and even flown to the other side of the country to meet one of them to hang out. I at no point EVER said anything about not liking them as you implied here:

" Those top rooms may not be pleasurable to watch to you, or me, or someone else but on a whole they are for one of those reasons."

There are lots of top 300 girls I adore and look up to. My statement at no point was to stab at the girls with high room counts nor did anything in my statement do so. One day I hope to have put in enough hard work as some of those I look up to in order to be where they are. I was defending the idea that girls with low room counts by "most standards according to her" mean they we are not attractive to the general public. Uh wrong.

My statement had nothing to do with jumping on the rage wagon. I am not in a rage just making an observation that to a girl who struggles on MFC she basically just stated that we were not included in her "most camgirls are fairly attractive statement" she only meant that for girls with high room counts of course.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I am going to White Knight Izzy here a bit.

1. Post length. This is a forum not twitter. If you want pithy superficial comments and sound bites than 140 character is perfect. But having a real discussion on twitter is an exercise in regurgitating talking points not thinking. Izzy last post was 1200 words, about an average blog post. It should take you 3 or 4 minutes to read. As somebody who writes long post I think we are in catch 22. If you write short posts than often get misconstrued, and long post people bitch they are too long. I appreciate the short pithy posts that bring a smile to my face as much as the next person, but I think they are the dessert of a forum not the main course.

2. Tone: Yes she is blunt and yes it comes across as nasty, and anti men/member at times and probably deserved some of the frank comments. Still this forum would be so much better IMO, if people did two things. Assume a person has good intentions instead of bad. I understand that camming has way more than it share of lowlifes and you have to keep your guard up. But ACF isn't MFC, cutting people slack here doesn't seem that risky. I don't see what the harm of for instance assuming that guy looking for the name of model isn't asking because he is dangerous stalker, but has legitimate reason he wants to know. Second it would be much better if people made a conscious effort to focus on substance and not tone. We all know that tone is really hard to convey on the internet, so I don't understand why people think they can read it.

"Out of the League", was a poor choice of words. Not necessarily because she was wrong, (looks wise I think she is right, personality I don't), but because it derailed the topic.
It doesn't matter what the average members looks like, the average camgirl is good looking, and the average top model is gorgeous. On relative basis the average model is almost certainly much better looking than the average member. I'll spare you the statistics. So the question of will men interacting in an even more intimate
way with even more impossible beautiful woman warp their senses in the real world is an interesting one. At least it was to me.

However what happen in this thread and all too often on ACF is somebody got butt hurt by a few words, and thought it was ok derail a thread, while completely ignoring the topic at hand. Then the pile on started. In pretty much any other forum but ACF, somebody tries to get the thread back on track, and/or gently rebukes the thread jacker. Obviously threads get jacked its the nature of forums, but what happens on ACF all to often is the become a series of personal attacks, and turn toxic like this one and the main topic never gets discussed.

Not trying to be a dick here but I don't think camgirls can be classified as being out of anyones league. Victoria Secrets models? Yeah I guess. Brain Surgeons? Yeah sure. Camgirls? lol come on. I might just not understand the silly leagues thing, been years since high school.

On topic, no opinion really. Not something I'm interested in.

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I am not attacking you here Punk, just your behavior. It seem to me you have five choices here.
A. Ignore it
B. Start a new thread on are camgirls out of the league for members.
C. Make a post on the pet peeves, annoying things models say etc thread.
D. Complain about the tone,and the add some substance
E. Do what you did.

I think you made the worse choice and we end up with situation like this were nobody comes away feeling happy, and no learning takes place.
So my plea for everybody in the future, is you are only complaining about tone of post consider doing something different.

On topic.
I think it is possible that having augmented reality better virtual sex, will desensitize men. But I think it is slightly more likely that it will provide a release, scratch and itch so to speak, having virtual sex with supermodel, or titty fuck the BBW with the size 40H boobs, makes it easier to have regular sex with your SO.

To me the more interesting implications, is I if I can have virtual sex with my fantasy girl, with my fleshlight and VR googles, why do camgirls need to be attractive? Hell why do they even need to be girls or for that matter human? For a transactional site like SM, why not just replace a camgirl with AI progam? If the guy wants to talk switch to a real woman, sort of like with phone sex. I'll guess you'll still need a few Aspen Rae for conventions and such, but I do wonder if camgirls won't be obsolete in 10 years.

Least I scare anybody, my track record for predicting which technologies will take off is pretty good. My record for when is almost always way too optimistic. :-D

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Alice let me try and help and clear up some of the confusion

You said "I simply stated that her satement of "anyone who visits any high count room on mfc will find that girl attractive" is completely false."

But that isn't the what Izzy said.

The point I was making was more that if you take one of the girls who has a lot of viewers, most of those girls are super hot. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder but anyone watching is going to find them hot.

There is difference between meaning of visited and watched on MFC. I have visited rooms of models with high camscore and high room counts who I didn't find very attractive (although that's pretty rare I found most top models attractive). However, I almost never watched a model that I didn't find attractive. If I didn't find her attractive why would I be watching her?

The dividing line for me is about 10 minutes. After about 10 minutes, I start thinking it is probably about time for me to start tipping for the show,and if I don't think she is worth tipping than I should be visiting somebody else. While the time and criteria is different for each member, I suspect the majority of members have a similar distinction, much like channel surfing vs watching TV.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Ahh Higirls, I feel like giving you a hug.

I am too tired for this so I think enough for now, but I think Higirls in his last post kind of explained the point I was trying to get across about models and room numbers. I am sorry but Alice I do think you were being over sensitive about that, it's understandable, I get that sometimes when camming feels tough it can be something that can feel very personal, so someone saying anything that might imply what you're possibly fearing doesn't help. When I first started camming I struggled to get over 10 people in my room even with my new model status. I had an inbuilt cam and not amazing lighting or set up but I have seen worse. Sometimes it happens. Eventually I started learning to bring my room numbers up and even now if I hopped on with my camscore having dropped and absolutely no placement I'll be able to rally the room up to the hundreds pretty quickly. There is a skill to it which took me a while to learn certain angles etc that make my room numbers jump. Sometimes I get loads of people in my room, sometimes way less. To be honest a large amount of the time nowadays if I hop on no one talks or tips anyway. They just sit and enjoy the show. I miss my regulars. It's very easy to question yourself or not understand why people won't come and watch you. I've never watched you so I really cannot say. The high room numbers comment was merely because having high room numbers suggests that you are found attractive by looks and your persona by a fairly large number of people. It doesn't make other girls any less attractive, it just means that we've got confirmed numbers that people find these girls particularly attractive. Like I said before, I believe that camgirls as a group are above average looking if you go by all women you could ever meet. I think camgirls are a pretty bunch.

I have neither attacked camgirls nor members. Yeah I'm blunt and I'm sorry that my tone comes off as rude. I just don't see why people make such a big deal of looks. It's like I could tell everyone "I'm really good at art" and no one would bat an eye, but if I stood up and said "I'm really beautiful!" people would look at me in shock. I think being good at art is actually something decent to say about yourself, whilst looks are just fact, they aren't an achievement, they're something you're born with which will fade with age. Both art and looks are based on people's opinions. I honestly don't see the difference. Also if I said I were really good at art no one would think "oh my god, she's saying she's the best artist ever. So many people are better than her". Whilst if I said I were beautiful people would start comparing all these women more beautiful than I am.

Sometimes people do jump on a few words and spin them out of context. I remember a long time ago I wrote a post in the models only section, something about preferring to use a smaller toy than a larger toy and then saying this silly fact I learned on an David Attenborough programme about big dicks and a girl completely misinterpreted it and had a massive go at me for implying she was a slut for liking big dicks. I was horrified, actually another model did point out that I hadn't said in any way this but it still really upset me that she'd thought I meant that when I stated my fun yet questionable fact about evolution of cocks. This situation kind of reminds me of that... I can kind of vaguely see where you're getting at, but to me it kind of looks like you've taken 2+2 and have somehow created 10.

Like Higirls said, the "league" comment was a bad phrase. When I mean league I don't mean "she's so far beyond him he'll never get with a girl like her". I just mean a matter of distance. A league isn't really that far, 5.556km, I could walk that easy. It's not something impossible, or even that tricky, it's just not there on your lap ready to go.

Now I've been focusing on this for the past 5 and a half hours so I'm going to go to bed before I accidentally personally insult everyone else in the world with a one sentence vague opinion.

 

[TheAliceLane]

Ahh Higirls, I feel like giving you a hug.

I am too tired for this so I think enough for now, but I think Higirls in his last post kind of explained the point I was trying to get across about models and room numbers. I am sorry but Alice I do think you were being over sensitive about that, it's understandable, I get that sometimes when camming feels tough it can be something that can feel very personal, so someone saying anything that might imply what you're possibly fearing doesn't help. When I first started camming I struggled to get over 10 people in my room even with my new model status. I had an inbuilt cam and not amazing lighting or set up but I have seen worse. Sometimes it happens. Eventually I started learning to bring my room numbers up and even now if I hopped on with my camscore having dropped and absolutely no placement I'll be able to rally the room up to the hundreds pretty quickly. There is a skill to it which took me a while to learn certain angles etc that make my room numbers jump. Sometimes I get loads of people in my room, sometimes way less. To be honest a large amount of the time nowadays if I hop on no one talks or tips anyway. They just sit and enjoy the show. I miss my regulars. It's very easy to question yourself or not understand why people won't come and watch you. I've never watched you so I really cannot say. The high room numbers comment was merely because having high room numbers suggests that you are found attractive by looks and your persona by a fairly large number of people. It doesn't make other girls any less attractive, it just means that we've got confirmed numbers that people find these girls particularly attractive. Like I said before, I believe that camgirls as a group are above average looking if you go by all women you could ever meet. I think camgirls are a pretty bunch.

I have neither attacked camgirls nor members. Yeah I'm blunt and I'm sorry that my tone comes off as rude. I just don't see why people make such a big deal of looks. It's like I could tell everyone "I'm really good at art" and no one would bat an eye, but if I stood up and said "I'm really beautiful!" people would look at me in shock. I think being good at art is actually something decent to say about yourself, whilst looks are just fact, they aren't an achievement, they're something you're born with which will fade with age. Both art and looks are based on people's opinions. I honestly don't see the difference. Also if I said I were really good at art no one would think "oh my god, she's saying she's the best artist ever. So many people are better than her". Whilst if I said I were beautiful people would start comparing all these women more beautiful than I am.

Sometimes people do jump on a few words and spin them out of context. I remember a long time ago I wrote a post in the models only section, something about preferring to use a smaller toy than a larger toy and then saying this silly fact I learned on an David Attenborough programme about big dicks and a girl completely misinterpreted it and had a massive go at me for implying she was a slut for liking big dicks. I was horrified, actually another model did point out that I hadn't said in any way this but it still really upset me that she'd thought I meant that when I stated my fun yet questionable fact about evolution of cocks. This situation kind of reminds me of that... I can kind of vaguely see where you're getting at, but to me it kind of looks like you've taken 2+2 and have somehow created 10.

Like Higirls said, the "league" comment was a bad phrase. When I mean league I don't mean "she's so far beyond him he'll never get with a girl like her". I just mean a matter of distance. A league isn't really that far, 5.556km, I could walk that easy. It's not something impossible, or even that tricky, it's just not there on your lap ready to go.

Now I've been focusing on this for the past 5 and a half hours so I'm going to go to bed before I accidentally personally insult everyone else in the world with a one sentence vague opinion.

Big sigh.....

I wasn't asking for your advice on room counts or even complaining of my own. Sometimes I have 100 sometimes I have 5 was all I was saying. Not sure where you felt the need to go off into a tangent implying that I needed your advice and that I have no idea what I am doing on cam but that I replied with my opinion because I apparently need you to... I am not doing anything wrong on cam for me or my regs. I am me. Or that I'm over here crying in a corner "overly sensitive" to your comment. Nope just making a point that room count does not confirm attractiveness as you just said yet again. Confirmed by larger numbers of people if I read that right. Haha. You don't need large room counts to confirm your attractiveness, but if that's what makes you feel better then by all means continue with your rituals of self affirmation via the full room of members who are "not in your league", but yet confirm your attractiveness. Haha. That is one big contradiction how do guys of so called undatablity for you personally either in looks or personality confirm attractiveness to the world and to the rest of MfC when you think they are all geeks in a basement.

I have been camming for a little over a year and gone from a 3k camscore to now recently a 1200 since I had taken a break for a few months starting my job outside of camming. So based on cam scores I wouldn't consider you to be above me as you so pleasantly implied you were while giving advice that was not needed or asked for with your last statement to me you if you want to be all camscore/room count technical.

I don't think I am doing anything wrong when it comes to my cam time and you so blatantly threw those words into my mouth. I was simply pointing out that some of the statements you made I felt were not true in my opinion.

If I created 10 out of 2+2 it's because I am terribly bad at math. I like to read

 

[TheAliceLane]

Alice let me try and help and clear up some of the confusion

You said "I simply stated that her satement of "anyone who visits any high count room on mfc will find that girl attractive" is completely false."

But that isn't the what Izzy said.

The point I was making was more that if you take one of the girls who has a lot of viewers, most of those girls are super hot. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder but anyone watching is going to find them hot.

There is difference between meaning of visited and watched on MFC. I have visited rooms of models with high camscore and high room counts who I didn't find very attractive (although that's pretty rare I found most top models attractive). However, I almost never watched a model that I didn't find attractive. If I didn't find her attractive why would I be watching her?

The dividing line for me is about 10 minutes. After about 10 minutes, I start thinking it is probably about time for me to start tipping for the show,and if I don't think she is worth tipping than I should be visiting somebody else. While the time and criteria is different for each member, I suspect the majority of members have a similar distinction, much like channel surfing vs watching TV.

Sorry double post!


Well yes if you are watching a cam most likely you are watching because you find the girl attractive. :lol:

Some other instance do happen that cause a person to stay not based on level of how attractive to you they are:

trainwreck cams/cams with drama going on in them/cams with stuff going on that make you tilt your head to the side like what is going on in here or ur just a freeloading member following the crowd.

But yes I took this the statement that "anyone watching is going to find them hot" meaning anyone who comes across it, due to her overall point and then using high room count girls in an attempt to prove her point about attractive girls on MFC, but only high room counts & top girls matter in that arguments not MFC girls as a majority whole.

I guess my main thing was the comparison that was done regarding oh you have this many and you have this many and that determines your level of hotness. Even you said something along the lines of if you're a camgirl you are attractive & if you're a top girl you're gorgeous. There are many cam girls who are not top that are drop dead gorgeous and fun. I don't think any girl needs hundreds of members watching them to confirm they are attractive. Thing is most top girls were not top girls at one point and some have taken 2 years or longer to get to the top. So the question is, were they only gorgeous once they entered top what 300ish status and prior to that they were just "not bad to look at" because the masses had not yet approved their hotness? That is ridiculous! Do you see what I am saying? I just don't think level of room count determines your attractiveness. And the 5 or more statement was what set that off and I felt it was a very broad statement. I know a top girl VERY well known on MFC who has been struggling with weak room counts she has a nice camscore gorgeous and so sweet! Most members/girls on MFC knows her so if a top girl like that logs on and no one happened to be in her room that night or if she drops out of the top for the month does it mean she is not confirmed gorgeous just for that night or month? Then she is confirmed gorgeous by the masses next month when things get better? Just sounds funny to me.Or because she has had high room counts the confirmed hot status has already been confirmed? SO if you have ever had more that what 100 people in your room at any given time on MFC you qualify for the confirmed hot status by the masses? Whoohoo I am in! COOL! So right now because I struggle with room counts coming back to cam recently more often means I am mediocre in looks, but when I one day have high room counts again that means I am HOT/GORGEOUS now just because more people are seeing me? I may be taking it to the extreme, but in all reality that is exactly what she is saying whether she is meaning to or not.

Just trying to hold it down for the girls who are trying to eventually make it to the top because as with most top girls that started at the bottom. Stigmas that girls like us are less than are real and some of the statements people make I think take stabs at girls with "lower than" when trying to defend something or make points not realizing it. Just boosting awareness that some of your top fav hotties were once bottom page pass rooms like some of us currently are in the 1000-3000 camscore range and in some cases some top girls I know were somewhere between 500-800 camscores before they made it to top girl status. Most in the top did not just magically appear there from day one because they were oh so gorgeous. Gorgeous does not automatically equal top. Hard work and time on MFC does.

The comments she made in that regard just left a bad taste in my mouth, but it is all good this is a forum as it will do that sometimes. No worries.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Well yes if you are watching a cam most likely you are watching because you find the girl attractive. :lol:

Some other instance do happen that cause a person to stay not based on level of how attractive to you they are:

trainwreck cams/cams with drama going on in them/cams with stuff going on that make you tilt your head to the side like what is going on in here or ur just a freeloading member following the crowd.

But yes I took this the statement that "anyone watching is going to find them hot" meaning anyone who comes across it, due to her overall point and then using high room count girls in an attempt to prove her point about attractive girls on MFC, but only high room counts & top girls matter in that arguments not MFC girls as a majority whole.

I guess my main thing was the comparison that was done regarding oh you have this many and you have this many and that determines your level of hotness. Even you said something along the lines of if you're a camgirl you are attractive & if you're a top girl you're gorgeous. There are many cam girls who are not top that are drop dead gorgeous and fun. I don't think any girl needs hundreds of members watching them to confirm they are attractive. Thing is most top girls were not top girls at one point and some have taken 2 years or longer to get to the top. So the question is, were they only gorgeous once they entered top what 300ish status and prior to that they were just "not bad to look at" because the masses had not yet approved their hotness? That is ridiculous! Do you see what I am saying? I just don't think level of room count determines your attractiveness. And the 5 or more statement was what set that off and I felt it was a very broad statement.

The comments she made in that regard just left a bad taste in my mouth, but it is all good this is a forum as it will do that sometimes. No worries.

What I actually said is this "It doesn't matter what the average members looks like, the average camgirl is good looking, and the average top model is gorgeous. " I carefully added the word average to avoid people thinking I was making too broad a generalization. I am really not sure what else I could have said. "In my opinion a high percentage of models with camscore over 10,000 would be considered highly attractive if they were rated for attractiveness by broad cross section of hetrosexual men. A small number of men would probably not find any particular model high attractively and conversely a small number models with camscore over 10,000 would not be considered highly attractive by the broad cross section of men. Many models with camscore below 10,000 would also be considered highly attractive" I think the word average implies pretty much what I just said and is a shit load less work to type.

Yes, I complete understand what you are saying. You don't suddenly become beautiful just cause your room count increases. It would be a ridiculous statement and I could see getting POed, if we said such a thing. But neither I nor Isabella did.

I actually thought about adding in trainwreck as reason to watch a room even if you don't find the model attractive, but in the interest of brevity I left it out.
Which brings be me to my rant

[rant on]
Isabella is a good writer, and I am a good writer but an awful proofreader. I routinely leave out words and screw up tenses. If you write long posts you are going to make mistakes.
I find myself writing very defensively on ACF, adding weasel words like "average", and in most cases, "generally speaking". Cause if I don't I risk offending someone and starting an ugly thread. I honestly don't even know how to refer to models, who's "body mass index exceeds the recommended levels of the American Medical Association " with out offending somebody, so I don't say anything.

Walking on eggshells is tiring both for the writers and readers. But what is even worse is when writer didn't make a mistake and the reader put words in the writer mouth. That happened here.
90% of the time before I hit reply to a post that disagree with, I take the time to careful read the offending post and I try hard to figure out is there a more charitable way of interpreting it. Most of the time there is.

The other 10% of the time I regret not doing it.
[rant off]