Why would we Y'all not use skype?

[TacoBelle]

Good question. The typing in a text message is so very small. And no, it didn't have anything to do with this really. I was wanting to send a model an idea I had, and streamate's messenging lets me do that, but I wanted to try to find the best way to make sure she got the most of my money. I actually care about the models. Hope this clears it up a bit.

I could be totally wrong here since I don't cam on that site, but I think that Streamate doesn't allow outside contact or information being exchanged. So if you're messaging girls about trying to pay them in other ways or whatever, it could potentially backfire and get the model fired. I've heard of this happening on other sites before, even when the member was the one talking about outside payment/contact. Maybe an SM model can clarify this for us?

 

[David_Imm]

I could be totally wrong here since I don't cam on that site, but I think that Streamate doesn't allow outside contact or information being exchanged. So if you're messaging girls about trying to pay them in other ways or whatever, it could potentially backfire and get the model fired. I've heard of this happening on other sites before, even when the member was the one talking about outside payment/contact. Maybe an SM model can clarify this for us?

Ok, I'm not doing that at all. that's why I'm here. I just want the models to benefit the most. I would assume not to invite them to Skype (although one has invited me).

 

[David_Imm]

From what I've read on this forum, and after doing some research, I have a question.

The best it seems to me that you can do on these cam sites is about 50% of what people like me are paying.

Why would we not get together on a forum like this, discuss what we want, and then some up with a price (say $100). then I would send you the money via one of the cash transfers, and when you got the money we would do the show.I understand that there would have to be some trust involved, but I have found that trusting people is a good thing most of the time.

It's just unfathomable that these cam sites are taking at least 50% of your money for doing almost nothing. Unless I misunderstand. It looks to me like Streamate takes 70%, but that can't be right. Maybe they only take 3-%, and I have it backwards.

I would think there has to be a way to use Skype or something similar to get the models 90% of their money. That would still be a LOT of money for just hosting a site.

Someone please clear me up on this.

Somehow I think 2 "Facepalm"s is not a good thing. I've either gotten slapped twice, or they're befuddled, and putting their face to their palm. Lol

 

[AerynShade]

Another option, depending on what sort of fantasy/role-play you're looking for you might also try a video clip maker. Someone on clips4sale, manyvids, etc...

 

[Puffin]

Somehow I think 2 "Facepalm"s is not a good thing. I've either gotten slapped twice, or they're befuddled, and putting their face to their palm. Lol

The original post showed you have a lot of misleading ideas, it was a challlenge to know where to start in response. The poll didn't help because answering it doesn't bring any understanding, and may of reinforced a misperception.
If you came to the forum and explained what you wanted to achieve (with your fantasy project) and asked how to go about it, you would of been meet with an initially more positive response. Anyway, I'm happy to hear you are on your way to a solution with your fantasy project.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I could be totally wrong here since I don't cam on that site, but I think that Streamate doesn't allow outside contact or information being exchanged. So if you're messaging girls about trying to pay them in other ways or whatever, it could potentially backfire and get the model fired. I've heard of this happening on other sites before, even when the member was the one talking about outside payment/contact. Maybe an SM model can clarify this for us?

This is correct,absolutely zero offsite contact is allowed - models have been suspended for so much as mentioning Twitter, or even saying "Google me".

Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the percentage that Streammate takes, as I'd rather get 35% of something than 50% or more of nothing. The 65% that they keep covers charge backs, covers servers that can handle the high volume of traffic, and, most importantly, their advertising brings in a higher percentage of paying traffic than I see on other sites.

 

[TacoBelle]

Ok, I'm not doing that at all. that's why I'm here. I just want the models to benefit the most. I would assume not to invite them to Skype (although one has invited me).

Right, you might not be inviting them to Skype, but contacting them at all about anything off Streammate would be a no-no. "I just want the models to benefit the most." and "but I wanted to try to find the best way to make sure she got the most of my money" imply that you are going to be messaging her about OTHER WAYS TO TAKE YOUR MONEY. Instead of simply saying, "Hey, I've got this idea for a video/private/show, and how much IN STREAMMATE TOKENS would it cost?" you'd be trying to give her more money in other ways. Which is a big no. Sure, you're trying to help her out, but I'm trying to get the point across to you that you can't ask or offer her those things ON STREAMMATE because she might get fired.


Go with Aeryn's suggestion and try looking on Clips4sale or Manyvids. You can send custom requests on there and NOT have to worry about the model getting fired for you asking. Or stick with Streammate models, but agree to pay in tokens.

 

[JimsX]

I have had the same argument with one guy on MFC for 2 years now (Yes I know, I never learn). He literally begs models in public chat for Skype and then goes all passive-aggressive when they say no. What I say to him every single time is, "So you want the model to get all the money? OK, are you willing to pay her the money she will lose from not working on a camsite, the money she earns from all the guys who are perfectly fine paying with tokens? Oh you are not? You are just trying to find a way that pleases you only (and scam the models, as I have learned he does)? Well then go fuck yourself you selfish bastard. Without this camsite you claim is robbing models they would (literally in some cases) have no income at all."

If models are not happy with the percentage they could add another site, sell clips, or leave camming. And since there are currently 1600 models on MFC alone right now, I think they are fine with the current setup.

 

[Puffin]

The 65% that they keep covers charge backs, covers servers that can handle the high volume of traffic, and, most importantly, their advertising brings in a higher percentage of paying traffic than I see on other sites.

I'm happy to hear that streammate covers charge backs and brings in a higher percentage of paying traffic.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I'm happy to hear that streammate covers charge backs and brings in a higher percentage of paying traffic.

It makes things more pleasant. Though, some of the affiliate advertisers promote SM as a datibg/hookup site, which benefits nobody - even if you get signups from those ads, the dudes are never going to spend money once they realize they can't "fuck hot bitches tonight"

 

[AmberCutie]

I just want the models to benefit the most.

The best way to benefit a model you enjoy is to tip/spend on the site she chooses to work on. Normally, if models are allowed to (and want to) they will advertise somewhere that they accept other payments/off-site shows. It may be safest to assume that if it isn't noted by the model, she'd probably prefer just to operate according to normal procedures on the site, and that she feels the cut the site takes for their work involved is worth it.

Somehow I think 2 "Facepalm"s is not a good thing.

I facepalmed because it is SUCH a common comment to hear from members that "cam sites are taking your money! don't give it to them it isn't worth it!" and many of us just literally facepalm when we see yet another post about such.

Another option, depending on what sort of fantasy/role-play you're looking for you might also try a video clip maker. Someone on clips4sale, manyvids, etc...

Very good advice. Also Extra Lunch Money and MyGirlFund are set up for request type things like this, I believe. Since you have a specific fantasy wanting to be fulfilled, @David_Imm you may be best off checking out those sites.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

Also to add to what Amber said... A good way to find if models offer stuff for other means of payment, get a Twitter and follow girls there. Many girls will post their other options there if they are willing to offer any!

 

[SaffronBurke]

Also to add to what Amber said... A good way to find if models offer stuff for other means of payment, get a Twitter and follow girls there. Many girls will post their other options there if they are willing to offer any!

Tumblr is a great place for this, too, and I believe some models also use Reddit.

 

[dilligaf0]

The best way to benefit a model you enjoy is to tip/spend on the site she chooses to work on. Normally, if models are allowed to (and want to) they will advertise somewhere that they accept other payments/off-site shows. It may be safest to assume that if it isn't noted by the model, she'd probably prefer just to operate according to normal procedures on the site, and that she feels the cut the site takes for their work involved is worth it.

I facepalmed because it is SUCH a common comment to hear from members that "cam sites are taking your money! don't give it to them it isn't worth it!" and many of us just literally facepalm when we see yet another post about such.

Very good advice. Also Extra Lunch Money and MyGirlFund are set up for request type things like this, I believe. Since you have a specific fantasy wanting to be fulfilled, @David_Imm you may be best off checking out those sites.

This seems like another "trying to bypass the website's income' post.

 

[AmberCutie]

This seems like another "trying to bypass the website's income' post.

My advice?

 

[Sevrin]

My advice?

I think he was referring to the stuff you quoted. This new software doesn't allow for nested quotes anymore, so it's easy to lose the context.

 

[dilligaf0]

My advice?

No. I must have clicked that by accident.
I didn't mean to quote you,
I just meant the general direction of the thread.
Sorry.


I'm becoming senile.

 

[UncleThursday]

This is correct,absolutely zero offsite contact is allowed - models have been suspended for so much as mentioning Twitter, or even saying "Google me".



Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the percentage that Streammate takes, as I'd rather get 35% of something than 50% or more of nothing. The 65% that they keep covers charge backs, covers servers that can handle the high volume of traffic, and, most importantly, their advertising brings in a higher percentage of paying traffic than I see on other sites.

SM also has servers and infrastructures in place to offer much better audio and video quality than some sites that take a smaller percentage. They actually put money into having good quality. Other sites don't always do that, so even models with good equipment and internet speeds for broadcasting won't look or sound as good on those sites as they would on SM.

 

[David_Imm]

Right, you might not be inviting them to Skype, but contacting them at all about anything off Streammate would be a no-no. "I just want the models to benefit the most." and "but I wanted to try to find the best way to make sure she got the most of my money" imply that you are going to be messaging her about OTHER WAYS TO TAKE YOUR MONEY."

Iris....No. I am not contacting them on any of the cam sites, silly. Why do you think I'm here posting this question? To go into detail , I've had this fantasy since I was young, and decided to see if I could script it all out, and then have a model help me with it. It's a kind of long text file, and it would take the model some time to read it, so I found this site in order to figure out the best way to go about it. In addition, I knew it would ake the model some time, so I wanted to find a model who would be kind of into it, and find a way to get her most of the money for her time. I didn't want to waste any of her time or money.

Thanks Amber for the explanation of the facepalm. I'm sorry to bring it up again, didn't know. Even though I don't agree, if the models are happy with paying the price, then who's to argue? But if this is such a common occurrence, it's probably true, and the guys who are coming on here and posting it might just care about Y'all. Just food for thought.

Jimsx.....

"So you want the model to get all the money? OK, are you willing to pay her the money she will lose from not working on a camsite, the money she earns from all the guys who are perfectly fine paying with tokens? Oh you are not? You are just trying to find a way that pleases you only (and scam the models, as I have learned he does)? Well then go fuck yourself you selfish bastard. .

Talk about aggresive. No passive there. Well, I hope you got it off your chest, but that shit's WAY to aggressive for me to respond to. Maybe take some happy pills, and a nice nap.


LexieGrace, thanks for the advice, may give it a try. But I HATE twitter. LOATH entirely. Double hate.

To all the model, Thanks for all of you input. Y'all are awesome, smart, and of course beautiful, inside and out [/QUOTE]

 

[gonegirl2352]

There are a few good indie sites where you can contact girls who prefer Skype shows only. Cammodeldirectory, Livecammodelshows and Skyprivate are the most reputable ones. The reason why girls who work big box sites don't really like doing Skype shows offline? We get placement bonuses. If we are doing Skype shows, we're not making money for the site, our camscore/placement drops and pretty soon the Skype shows actually eat into our profits.

I was originally a Streamate girl and also advertised on the indie sites. I did well on both indie and Streamate but soon indie started taking over. With indie, you don't need a large customer base. Problem was my income was coming mostly from 2 obsessed men. When things got awry with one guy, (he kept begging to meet up), I lost almost 30% of my income when he finally accepted I would never. Then I was at the point where I wasn't doing particularly well on any site not because I wasn't able but because I was spreading myself too thin. I ended up choosing the big box sites because income will always be more reliable and I prefer a more social atmosphere. Skype is just too intimate and in my opinion causes men to get too attached.

 

[David_Imm]

There are a few good indie sites where you can contact girls who prefer Skype shows only. Cammodeldirectory, Livecammodelshows and Skyprivate are the most reputable ones. The reason why girls who work big box sites don't really like doing Skype shows offline? We get placement bonuses. If we are doing Skype shows, we're not making money for the site, our camscore/placement drops and pretty soon the Skype shows actually eat into our profits.

I was originally a Streamate girl and also advertised on the indie sites. I did well on both indie and Streamate but soon indie started taking over. With indie, you don't need a large customer base. Problem was my income was coming mostly from 2 obsessed men. When things got awry with one guy, (he kept begging to meet up), I lost almost 30% of my income when he finally accepted I would never. Then I was at the point where I wasn't doing particularly well on any site not because I wasn't able but because I was spreading myself too thin. I ended up choosing the big box sites because income will always be more reliable and I prefer a more social atmosphere. Skype is just too intimate and in my opinion causes men to get too attached.

Yes, I could totally see that happening. I am starting to think that maybe Skyping would be a little too personal. I just hate typing and trying to do anything else at the same time. lmfao.
Thanks for your input Kim

 

[Picnic]

I just hate typing and trying to do anything else at the same time. lmfao.

Sounds like a custom video may work out well for this scenario. Good luck!

 

[Guy]

This is correct,absolutely zero offsite contact is allowed - models have been suspended for so much as mentioning Twitter, or even saying "Google me".

Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the percentage that Streammate takes, as I'd rather get 35% of something than 50% or more of nothing. The 65% that they keep covers charge backs, covers servers that can handle the high volume of traffic, and, most importantly, their advertising brings in a higher percentage of paying traffic than I see on other sites.

Sounds like Streamate is a very strict camsite

 

[JoleneBrody]

I dont get why some guys object so much to paying in tokens.

When I see people paying for stuff in gift cards or google wallet or whatever I always think to myself, that might be ok for now but it must hurt in the long run? If it was all in tokens your camscore would go up, more people would find you, spend more tokens, camscore goes up some more and the cycle goes on. It just seems to make poor business sense.

I've never said anything in any of the rooms ive seen this happen in because its really not my place to say anything and also what the fuck do I know I might be totally wrong anyway.

HERE HERE!!!
This is why I do not have a wishlist, or accept outside payments except for my personal website but that's it's own entity. I have a tip feature with a super awesome high percentage but it never really get's used, even when I actively promoted it people just seemed to enjoy tipping on MFC more.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Ok, I'm not doing that at all. that's why I'm here. I just want the models to benefit the most. I would assume not to invite them to Skype (although one has invited me).

The model will benefit the most by you making it the least complicated. If it takes 6 days to discuss and arrange how the heck you're even gonna do the show, you are just taking up a shit load of her time that she could be making money.

 

[David_Imm]

The model will benefit the most by you making it the least complicated. If it takes 6 days to discuss and arrange how the heck you're even gonna do the show, you are just taking up a shit load of her time that she could be making money.

Yep, you're right.
That's exactly why I haven't tried in the first place.

Going to give up on the whole thing..

Thanks for your input and feedback.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Yep, you're right.
That's exactly why I haven't tried in the first place.

Going to give up on the whole thing..

Thanks for your input and feedback.

I see no reason for you to give up on the whole thing, sir. Even if it means going about things in a way you hadn't originally planned. Clips4Sale, MyGirlFund, ExtraLunchMoney... I don't envision you finding too much trouble finding a model to do your custom on any of them. There are models on Clips4Sale who deal exclusively in custom requests. It will likely require you typing up what you want out of the custom, and you may have to try more than one model before everyone involved is happy, but it sounds easily do-able.

My advice...

• Peruse Clips4sale for a model who a) you find attractive and b) offers customs
• Send them a short email detailing the short version of your fantasy, asking them a) if they'd be interested, and b) how much it would cost you
• If they're interested and if you're happy with the price they offer, you can send a longer email hashing out the final details
• So long as everyone's still happy, send them payment through the site and await your custom video
• If at any time, either party becomes unhappy with the arrangement, find another model and try again

 

[SaffronBurke]

Sounds like Streamate is a very strict camsite

Eh, not really. They just don't want the models to take any business elsewhere. Aside from the things that you're not allowed to do on any camsite, you can do just about anything in a show.

 

[rockstarforall]

The only reason I ask about skypes, is not looking for a discount, but because MFC compresses their cam quality really badly versus a great HD experience on Skype.

 

[UncleThursday]

The only reason I ask about skypes, is not looking for a discount, but because MFC compresses their cam quality really badly versus a great HD experience on Skype.

For MFC, I agree. For other sites, like SM, it's not as bad. SM can nearly rival Skype's quality. Hell, even CB has some models broadcasting in at least 720p.

Some of us have been not so subtlely mentioning our dissastisfaction with MFC's video quality whenever Leo comes in the lounge 10k.