Why would we Y'all not use skype?

[David_Imm]

From what I've read on this forum, and after doing some research, I have a question.

The best it seems to me that you can do on these cam sites is about 50% of what people like me are paying.

Why would we not get together on a forum like this, discuss what we want, and then some up with a price (say $100). then I would send you the money via one of the cash transfers, and when you got the money we would do the show.I understand that there would have to be some trust involved, but I have found that trusting people is a good thing most of the time.

It's just unfathomable that these cam sites are taking at least 50% of your money for doing almost nothing. Unless I misunderstand. It looks to me like Streamate takes 70%, but that can't be right. Maybe they only take 3-%, and I have it backwards.

I would think there has to be a way to use Skype or something similar to get the models 90% of their money. That would still be a LOT of money for just hosting a site.

Someone please clear me up on this.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

Camsites all take different cuts, around 50% is pretty average but yes, some sites take more. You'll find that most camgirls are okay with this though. Without the sites we probably wouldn't make a fraction of the money we make because we wouldn't have the same traffic, we would have to do a lot more technical stuff, ect. The camsites provide a lot for us. It sometimes sucks thinking about how much you'd make without the cuts but again, we probably wouldn't be making as much without the sites anyways. The sites do a lot more and pay for a lot of things I think people don't realize. Like MFC doesn't just get to pocket 50%.

Your statement about trusting people works out most of the time just isn't really true for camgirls. And even if it was, the times we would/do get screwed over really just isn't worth it. Many people don't really look at us like normal humans. We are just creatures on the internet and their actions don't effect us. So many people do try and take advantage of us.

With all that said, you will find that some girls do offer Skypes and such. A good amount do not because they either just aren't comfortable working offsite because of personal reasons or security reasons (using Skype is risky and gettin payments through other means besides camsites can also be risky) or they feel again that they work better on camsites.

 

[David_Imm]

Thanks Lexi. I'm a programmer in addition to being a structural designer. Was wondering if it was worth setting something up.

 

[David_Imm]

I understand what you're saying Lexi, but the sights still charge way too much. Look at Amazon and Ebay. They take maybe 10% from what you're selling. Yes, people don't respect model like they should, and apparently it starts with the cam sites

 

[Lexi Emerson]

Do you mean setting up a camsite?

If so, how will you pay for everything as well as get a profit yourself for your time? People have set up camsites with higher payout rates for models but they never last. The people running them get bored of it without making a decent cut themselves or they don't have the funds to run it for long.

Edit: alright well as a cam model and having spoken to many other girls about this issue, I think that if girls had a problem with it they simply wouldn't be working from these sites. And camsites are a bit different than Amazon... You should really read up about all the things that camsites have to do.

 

[AerynShade]

I do Skype shows, and use CamModelDirectory as my payment processor. They take 25%, but cover chargebacks, and guys find me through my profile on the site. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[TeganTate]

Plenty of sites do exactly what you are suggesting my personal favorite is avvc.com Where you get a 100 percent of the price you are asking for a skype show, video ,ect then they charge the clients an additional 20 percent ( if I am remembering correctly) for processing payment.

 

[David_Imm]

I do Skype shows, and use CamModelDirectory as my payment processor. They take 25%, but cover chargebacks, and guys find me through my profile on the site. Seems reasonable to me.

Now that seems a LOT more reasonable. Thanks for your reply, because I knew that someone would have set that up already.

 

[David_Imm]

Plenty of sites do exactly what you are suggesting my personal favorite is avvc.com Where you get a 100 percent of the price you are asking for a skype show, video ,ect then they charge the clients an additional 20 percent ( if I am remembering correctly) for processing payment.

I tad off topic, but Tegan, is avvc.com a place I could request for you do do a specific show, and then get a price? That is exactly what I'm looking for, in addition to the model getting most of the money.

Thanks.

 

[David_Imm]

Thanks Lexi, I should read up on that. You're more experienced on your end I'm sure. Amazon and Ebay offer a whole lot of options and have a lot of costs involved on their end too, but we are talking about taking 50% of the money here. Once the website and software are up and running, I would think screening and censoring would be the main costs. But that's common in all online sellers. I don't know of anything else online that would charge you 50% of what you make. I'm on your side, and if Y'all are happy with that, that's awesome.
I do like the fact that their are options for Skype. When I'm on streamate, I can't even talk back to the models, which I would love to do. Skype would be so much more preferable, plus I would love for the model to get more money. thanks for the input.

 

[Puffin]

Now that seems a LOT more reasonable. Thanks for your reply, because I knew that someone would have set that up already.

Something like 20% of MFC costs are in chargebacks and other money transfer related fees. Chaturbate charges the models, not sure about Streammate,

There is a lot of technical costs in running these sites with high traffic. It's easy to handle the first 300 connections, but many sites go down with more then that, server site software generally doesn't scale well, so it's technically difficult to real time stream for 100,000 plus connections.

 

[David_Imm]

Something like 20% of MFC costs are in chargebacks and other money transfer related fees. Chaturbate charges the models, not sure about Streammate,

There is a lot of technical costs in running these sites with high traffic. It's easy to handle the first 300 connections, but many sites go down with more then that, server site software generally doesn't scale well, so it's technically difficult to real time stream for 100,000 plus connections.

Sure thing, but think of the money they have to be getting from the skanky advertisers. The porn sites have to be begging to advertise with them. You'd think with that much traffic they could make all their money from advertising if they did it right.

 

[AerynShade]

Thanks Lexi, I should read up on that. You're more experienced on your end I'm sure. Amazon and Ebay offer a whole lot of options and have a lot of costs involved on their end too, but we are talking about taking 50% of the money here. Once the website and software are up and running, I would think screening and censoring would be the main costs. But that's common in all online sellers. I don't know of anything else online that would charge you 50% of what you make. I'm on your side, and if Y'all are happy with that, that's awesome.
I do like the fact that their are options for Skype. When I'm on streamate, I can't even talk back to the models, which I would love to do. Skype would be so much more preferable, plus I would love for the model to get more money. thanks for the input.

That's actually the part I hate about Skype, which is why I often prefer to just take a % hit and not hear the member.

 

[Puffin]

Sure thing, but think of the money they have to be getting from the skanky advertisers. The porn sites have to be begging to advertise with them. You'd think with that much traffic they could make all their money from advertising if they did it right.

I'm not sure I follow. Can you explain more? So far as I know MFC doesn't have any adverts. SM ads are in return for traffic from porn sites. If anything the cam sites are paying for traffic not selling it back.

Pornsites also bring poor quality traffic, Pornhub supplies livejasmin, but most traffic immediately exits the site.

 

[Puffin]

When I'm on streamate, I can't even talk back to the models, which I would love to do. Skype would be so much more preferable, plus I would love for the model to get more money. thanks for the input.

Cam 2 cam is not without it's pitfalls from a models point of view.

 

[TeganTate]

I tad off topic, but Tegan, is avvc.com a place I could request for you do do a specific show, and then get a price? That is exactly what I'm looking for, in addition to the model getting most of the money.

Thanks.

I sent you a Pm with the info to this question.

 

[Swizzles]

The way I see it, it's just a form of tax. For example, (uk example) I earn a certain amount and I get taxed a certain amount by the government to cover the things they provide for me. MFC could be seen as the government taxing the girls. And like different countries, the tax rate is different for the majority of them.

Hope that made sense...typing this out on my mobile and can't be bothered to scroll back up to amend!

 

[AerynShade]

The way I see it, it's just a form of tax. For example, (uk example) I earn a certain amount and I get taxed a certain amount by the government to cover the things they provide for me. MFC could be seen as the government taxing the girls. And like different countries, the tax rate is different for the majority of them.

Hope that made sense...typing this out on my mobile and can't be bothered to scroll back up to amend!

Yeah, except then we get taxed again by our ACTUAL governments.

 

[Swizzles]

Yeah, except then we get taxed again by our ACTUAL governments.

That for me @AerynShade is an entirely valid point up for discussion. I was just trying to help the OP figure out why cam sites take what they do.

 

[Picnic]

In my experience, far too many guys feel they can weasel their way into getting MORE Skype time when they haven't actually paid for it. They seem to think if they haven't busted a nut by the time the show is over, I'll just let it slide and continue anyway for free. That, or they want to do Skypes with me constantly, or want their sound on, or want other things I don't offer.

Personally, I love the "group" setting of the public chat on MFC. That is where I prefer to spend my time and make my money. I want to make more friends, and the more time I spend in public, the higher my chances are of getting noticed by new people.

One on one shows (especially via Skype) are reserved for those who earned it.

Honestly, I would rather let MFC get their 50% and just be able to do my own thing on cam.

For the members that want me to get more money, they can always send Google wallet or Gift rocket instead of tokens But tokens do come with their own set of benefits, too.

 

[David_Imm]

Thanks everyone for educating me on this topic. I see that y'all are happy to give the 50% for the added security the sites offer, which is totally fine. I stand corrected.
Picnic, I could see where that would happen, and I'm sorry it has. Guys are pretty crappy for the most part, so I'm guessing I'm looking at it too much from my side of things as a rare trustworthy member of the male society ... lol. I'm just a good ole boy from Alabama, and maybe a bit too trusting. Not that I haven't been screwed over by the models on Streamates as well. You know, the ones that sit and pretend like they're going to do something for about 5 minutes, and then disconnect.
Aeryn, thank you! I would have thought that you would want the feedback, but I have learned better. Cool.
I have found out now I can send models an attachment (text file), so for now I guess my answer would be to not worry about it, and see who wants to do the fantasy with me.
Swizzles, technically the models would still have to pay taxes on their earnings, which would make the situation even worse.

Thanks a bunch Y'all for all of the info, and good luck!

 

[AmberCutie]

I have found out now I can send models an attachment (text file)

I'm confused what this has to do with anything, and why you'd ever need to send an attachment of a text file vs. just typing a message.

 

[Swizzles]

Swizzles, technically the models would still have to pay taxes on their earnings, which would make the situation even worse.

Ok, maybe I used yet another bad example! I wasn't being so literal as I was figurative. I was just using MFC as a government as an example of why MFC take as much as they do to provide things for the girls as a government would do for it's people. I didn't mean that because MFC 'taxes' the girls that they do not pay actual income tax.

I will try to be clearer and use better examples next time

 

[fandango]

I dont get why some guys object so much to paying in tokens.

When I see people paying for stuff in gift cards or google wallet or whatever I always think to myself, that might be ok for now but it must hurt in the long run? If it was all in tokens your camscore would go up, more people would find you, spend more tokens, camscore goes up some more and the cycle goes on. It just seems to make poor business sense.

I've never said anything in any of the rooms ive seen this happen in because its really not my place to say anything and also what the fuck do I know I might be totally wrong anyway.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I'm not a cam girl so it doesn't really affect me either way, but I think 50% is a fair amount to take out of my pocket. And I say my pocket, because it's from my pocket that MFC take their money (though not just my pocket, obviously. They'd be bankrupt if that were the case). If I tip a cam girl 50 tokens, she gets 50 tokens. If I tip a cam girl 5000 tokens, she gets 5000 tokens. No matter what, a token is worth 5 cents to a cam girl. MFC don't take a penny from the girls who work on their site, but rather charge members when they buy their tokens. And they provide both models and members with a fair amount for their money.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I understand what you're saying Lexi, but the sights still charge way too much. Look at Amazon and Ebay. They take maybe 10% from what you're selling. Yes, people don't respect model like they should, and apparently it starts with the cam sites

You're neglecting that publishers pay about 10% to their authors. Honestly, compared to other industries, 50-60% with the amount of artistic license we have is unheard of.

 

[David_Imm]

I'm confused what this has to do with anything, and why you'd ever need to send an attachment of a text file vs. just typing a message.

Good question. The typing in a text message is so very small. And no, it didn't have anything to do with this really. I was wanting to send a model an idea I had, and streamate's messenging lets me do that, but I wanted to try to find the best way to make sure she got the most of my money. I actually care about the models. Hope this clears it up a bit.

 

[AerynShade]

@David_Imm you're going to be better off copying and pasting the message instead of sending a text document. Models won't open it as it can contain nasty computer/security damaging things.

 

[AmberCutie]

@David_Imm you're going to be better off copying and pasting the message instead of sending a text document. Models won't open it as it can contain nasty computer/security damaging things.

That's what I was going to get at. Don't send attachments.

 

[David_Imm]

Didn't mean to pull this off subject.
Thanks again Y'all. It's just a long roleplaying/fantasy I've had since I was in my teens, and I was trying to make it easy to read.

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