Why are couple cammers with DECENT audio the exception rather than the rule?

[MorteTorment]

Note: To clarify I mean cammers that have sex with someone else on camera, not just ones that get naked or get themselves off on camera.

I've found 3 things that couples cammers have in common.

1. The only website that I've actually been able to find that's well organized and active that I can find that has a couples category that doesn't require you to enter a credit card just to WATCH people is chaturbate.

2. Most of them have music on.

3. 9 times out 10 they don't care about the audio quality, despite the constant moaning and kinky talk. and to be fair I don't think the viewship there cares either. No one ever comments on it, and when I give them a friendly heads up on this it's ignored. There's people that have the best visual quality you can get, but they don't bother to get a decen mic or whatever they use to pic up sound.

It makes cammers feel like they're part of something so niche that few care about sound The people are naked, and they're hot, so literally that's all that matters. I imagine that it's not really this way, but it certainly feels like it.

Why is it this way? I really want to know

 

[Emberblaze]

I don't see what the problem is with entering a credit card number?

 

[AudriTwo]

Are you a freeloader?

 

[Kiki Jane]

I think the couples you're watching on Chaturbate might be more along the lines of people who cam for fun and to spice up their relationships, rather than people who are also having fun, but who also want to put on great shows and make money. Maybe you could tip your favourite cam couples generously and suggest they pic up a Blue Snowflake mic, which is small, not expensive, and delivers a much better audio experience to the guest. Or, you should sign up for a site like Streamate, which has couple cammers who probably put on great shows (I saw "probably" because I haven't watched any, but the site gives reviews so you can sort of tell who puts on great shows...). Sometimes they do gold shows too, which are cheap to join (maybe $3-5 for 5-10 minutes of hot action).

 

[Gen]

9 times out 10 they don't care about the audio quality, despite the constant moaning and kinky talk. and to be fair I don't think the viewship there cares either.

If nobody cares but a presumed freeloader then perhaps you need to tip for your request, or get over the fact that nobody is catering to your specific wants for FREE.

I don’t really get your point about “they’re hot and naked so that’s all that matters” because evidently they’ve get viewers who presumably ARE paying if they’re doing a show, so there’s more to it than that; what you find important is clearly not important to the majority of their viewers so why spend money on it? Dig into your pockets if you want something catered to you.

If you’re not a freeloader then do as Kiki suggested and offer to pay for a mic.

 

[MorteTorment]

Wow, I hope that every cammer doesn't have the same mentality as many of you responding have, where you're either spending money or you're bad.

I want you to look at something like Twitch Gen. Most people that go on it don't pay for anything, but the successful streams get there by getting a lot of people to watch them, and a lot of people tip generously to them, and the streamers promote different streamers, which gets them even more people. th And people who don't come in and tip, how do they help? By posting on twitter telling them when they're live(which I've done with a few people I've watched.) This inspires a lot of more smaller streamers to come in and try to make at least enough to live off of. And they themselves don't expect even 10% of their audience to tip them. A lot of them won't even mention the idea of tipping unless they're getting tipped, and then they praise those that do, which encourages them and others to tip themselves. and how do they grow? By promotion themselves and asking their viewers to promote them in things like discord.

I live on a fixed income so I can't afford to pay for this kinds of stuff, but if I like you, I'm gonna spread the word, because I wanna do my part to encourage people who are really good at what they do to get more viewers. I'll link to your streams.

That said, I apologize for the whole "they're and they're naked so that's all that matters." You're right, these performers are often working their asses off, and they deal with really horrible viewers saying beyond disusting things to them, which is I understand that a lot of them won't let you talk in their stream unless you've bought some currency there. This topic is me asking people why audio quality isn't something that neither the performers, nor the viewers themselves seem to care about. This is not the case for things such as ameteur porn, even with people just recording on their phone.

So again, if you can answer this question, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Emberblaze]

This isn't twitch. These are cam sites. If you can't pay for a show stay off camsites.

 

[Emberblaze]

Camming is a legit job. We are entitled to be paid for our time.

You don't go to an escort and cry "but girls on tinder are giving it away for free"

 

[MorteTorment]

This isn't twitch. These are cam sites. If you can't pay for a show stay off camsites.

That's awesome! What's SM? And does it have a couples category?

Otherwise my entire shift would be a big wall of text that just repeats "open bobs bb" and " Take off your clothes slut"

I hear ya, that's beyond understandable. The porn community is a cesspit of really terrible people that treat woman like garbage.

 

[Emberblaze]

In case there's confusion. I changed my post quickly but not before the OP quoted it because I didn't see his awful reply to this thread until I had submitted mine as we were posting at the same time.

 

[MorteTorment]

Camming is a legit job. We are entitled to be paid for our time."

Oh, I am totally with you on it being a job, just like how being a broadcaster on twitch is very much a job. Both are very worthy of cash. And again, I can't pay you myself, but I can spread the word to many people who will glady pay you for it. Me and few other people have found people on twitch that were insanely talented, and we've helped them work their way off to making a living off of what they do. Just like me and several other people have helped spread the word of several ameteur porn stars.

 

[Emberblaze]

But don't worry. You wouldn't like SM because models are expected to be paid for their time there.

If you are watching a cam show you should be contributing something. Even if it's only 5 bucks. If you don't have 5 bucks you should go to pornhub and let cam models do their job for people that can pay. Because at least on porn hub women that post there get something from the ad revenue.

It sucks you have a fixed income and I'm sorry but our vaginas are not charities for poor and underprivileged cocks.

I'm all about people doing things for free to help those on fixed incomes when it comes to food, shelter, clothing etc. But cam sites are not a necessity. They are a luxury and if you can't pay for the services you shouldn't be there or at the very least you DEFINITIVELY shouldn't be criticising the people there trying to do their JOB.

 

[MorteTorment]

In case there's confusion. I changed my post quickly but not before the OP quoted it because I didn't see his awful reply to this thread until I had submitted mine as we were posting at the same time.

Again, I'm really sorry that I've hurt you. Not if I have, I realize I have, and I wish I could take it back, I'll even delete the parts that you wanted removed.

For what it's worth, I got mad respect for what you do for a living.

 

[MorteTorment]

Ok, apparently there's a time limit on when you can edit a post. God, I'm sorry,

Anyways, this was all a mistake I wish you the best Missvc, as I do everyone who sees this post. Please, take care of yourselves.

And please mods, can you just delete this topic. It's done nothing but cause pain for everyone that's seen it.

 

[Emberblaze]

Take it as a learning opportunity.

You haven't hurt my feelings I'm just a very blunt and outspoken human. (And maybe a bit of a bitch)

Comparing us to twitch streamers is disrespectful though.

Yes twitch can be a legit job and those people work their asses off. But we aren't the same.

Different platform and different way of earning money.

Different job. Putting your twitch stream online and not being well compensated? Well you wasted some hard work. Maybe even some money on equipment.

Doing a cam show and not being well compensated? Well that's online forever and bars you from working in many professional fields. Alienates people from their family and friends etc. Potentially impacts future relationships etc.

It's a different industry and they shouldn't be compared.

Yes retweeting helps models. But, not much. Social media for cam models is an art of its own. You can't just post and hope for the best and make money off it. You have to build a serious following and make sure that following are actually going to be worth something. I have 1900 followers on twitter and no one has ever found me that way except freeloaders that demand I fuck them. Other models make money from twitter but it's a major skill in itself and you can't expect to be of much help without those skills. It's not the same with porn as it is with vanilla stuff. There's a major stigma around sex work.

 

[Gen]

I’m sure some of the streamers you watch are on fixed incomes too; if you want to request they buy expensive equipment, don’t pout when I request you tip them.

Freeloaders are a natural part of camming but don’t request things and don’t delude yourself into thinking that retweets are helping in any significant way. It is minor. Cough up $5 every now and then if you want to consider yourself helpful, or just accept that you’re a freeloader and stop expecting anyone should care about your opinion on their streams.

(I say this as someone who freeloads comics/movies from torrents. I wouldn’t write to a director and say “listen, couldn’t buy your film, on a fixed income so I won’t, but even though your paying viewers are happy, here’s what I want”. If you’re taking things for free, take them as they are.)

 

[heybarkeep]

The porn community is a cesspit of really terrible people

 

[AudriTwo]

So you are a freeloader?

 

[Magnolia]

Alright, let me be straight up about the audio thing: having good audio is much harder than you would think. Most built-in mics or cheap mics have very few options. Also nearly all camsites I've been on have shitty or non-existent audio settings. Having pristine audio is the the biggest struggle for me and many other cammers and sometimes the bad audio isn't our fault (LOOKING AT YOU, MFC).

If it's something simple like their music is up too loud then politely let them know? Preferably in a tipnote. Live feedback from viewers is important as it's very hard to track how our own audio sounds. Even if we record our streams the audio can be much different that how it appears on a livestream. Also remember not everyone in the world has good internet and poor internet can lead to syncing issues or artifacts (which usually a refresh or lowering your video resolution will usually fix btw). If you see someone having these issues let them know because they might not have the ability to know themselves! And if they ignore you? Well then they probably get it a lot and don't have the ability to upgrade their equipment or internet, so just let it be or move on. OR put it in a tipnote so they're sure to pay attention to it (instead of making you look like another picky freeloader).

I have thousands of dollars worth of audio equipment for streaming and MY audio is still fucked sometimes. So, take it easy on the judgments. Camsites put very little effort into how the streams sound compared to other aspects of the site in my experience.

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

Just a theory, but it seems like getting multiple people in view on the cam requires moving further away from the cam than a solo performer would. So maybe everyone (both solos and couples) is calibrating their sound while sitting near the computer, as they would be when chatting and doing the countdown. Then when they do the show, a solo performer moves back slightly, but a couple moves back further so you can see both of them. Thus, they are physically further away and you don't hear them as well.

Alternately, a couple may cause a lot more ambient noise. For example, my bed is silent when I masturbate, but squeaks like crazy when someone fucks me. So maybe couples calibrate their sound lower so that you don't hear shit like that.

A third theory is that couple's camming isn't as profitable or sustainable as solo camming, so very few couples stick with it long enough to upgrade to a professional mic.

I would assume that in general, a huge number of solo and couple performers are using the mic that's built in to the c920, so there shouldn't be a huge difference. I would also concur that an "upgrade your mic" suggestion from someone that does not contribute to your income is likely to be ignored at best and is profoundly irritating at worst.

 

[JickyJuly]

Streamate has quite a few great couples who cam, but you have to.... pay them.
I think most of us have accepted that some people will quietly watch for free, but when you watch for free and complain, then yes. You are a crap person.
Internet connections cost money. Decent cameras cost money. Decent mics cost money. Folks on cam put time and money into what they do. You're not entitled to anything. You're not adding anything. You're already getting more than you deserve for $0. Why not sit quietly and enjoy it? How do people get this entitled? I want to talk to your parents.

 

[heybarkeep]

Comparing us to twitch streamers is disrespectful though.

Yes twitch can be a legit job and those people work their asses off. But we aren't the same.

Different platform and different way of earning money.

Different job. Putting your twitch stream online and not being well compensated? Well you wasted some hard work. Maybe even some money on equipment.

Doing a cam show and not being well compensated? Well that's online forever and bars you from working in many professional fields. Alienates people from their family and friends etc. Potentially impacts future relationships etc.

It's a different industry and they shouldn't be compared.

Seems a bit overly sensitive and hyper defensive to really find the comparison disrespectful. Is it a good comparison? Not really but I'm not sure if it is insulting.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

I don't watch Chaturbate but the reasons I can think of is that they either can't afford good equipment, they don't know how to or can't setup the sound properly because of site limitations. Then there is also the possibility that they could be so called "hobby weiner-wankers" and don't really think of camming as a profession. Anyway I think any one that goes into this as a profession should do their best to ensure that they have at least decent audio because people such as myself won't stay for long in the room if the audio is terrible.

 

[CharlieCharma]

I live on a fixed income so I can't afford to pay for this kinds of stuff, but if I like you, I'm gonna spread the word, because I wanna do my part to encourage people who are really good at what they do to get more viewers. I'll link to your streams.

Beggars can't be choosers. No one wants some random dude's word of mouth. Sure, it might be helpful if you were a celebrity or some shit, but seeing as you're on a fixed income, I doubt your word of mouth would be worth shit.

I don't go to a bar if I can't pay or tip. I'm not super crazy. If I've had a pretty good income month, I might get a little crazy for tips for my favorite bartenders, but normally just a dollar or two per drink. That's the way to be. You don't have to tip your favorite cam performer every time, but if you're going to complain, you better fucking be at least contributing a little every once in a while. This isn't a necessity, no one feels bad if you can't afford it.

 

[ElaySmith]

Wow, I hope that every cammer doesn't have the same mentality as many of you responding have, where you're either spending money or you're bad.

If your not spending money then your opinion doesn't count.... you get what you get and you don't throw a fit.

 

[ZoeBanx]

because good audio quality/gear/electronics type stuff is hella expensive! it's crazy how so many people request us to have things that cost LOTS of money but don't want to contribute.

"why don't you have better quality this, better quality that, a bigger dildo, a certain outfit.." like damn. sometimes i wonder if any of these people have ever been to a sex shop or Best Buy?

 

[a_haze420]

How can they ever get better audio equipment if you aren't tipping them

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

because good audio quality/gear/electronics type stuff is hella expensive! it's crazy how so many people request us to have things that cost LOTS of money but don't want to contribute.

"why don't you have better quality this, better quality that, a bigger dildo, a certain outfit.." like damn. sometimes i wonder if any of these people have ever been to a sex shop or Best Buy?

I disagree a decent USB microphone will cost around $60 and unless camming is some last resort to put food on the table it should be affordable to most people.

How can they ever get better audio equipment if you aren't tipping them

They could work a regular job until they could save up enough money buy the equipment somehow. After all they where able to afford a computer to get online without anyone tipping and that should be a bigger expense. I think having decent equipment is the second most important thing after having done research about camming before going online the first time. If a model wants to be treated a professional treating the job as a profession should be requisite, after all who would hire a carpenter that showed up asking for money to buy tools?

 

[Gen]

I disagree a decent USB microphone will cost around $60 and unless camming is some last resort to put food on the table it should be affordable to most people.


They could work a regular job until they could save up enough money buy the equipment somehow. After all they where able to afford a computer to get online without anyone tipping and that should be a bigger expense. I think having decent equipment is the second most important thing after having done research about camming before going online the first time. If a model wants to be treated a professional treating the job as a profession should be requisite, after all who would hire a carpenter that showed up asking for money to buy tools?

Computers have a ton of common uses, a microphone for streaming is not something most people have a second use for. It’s silly to compare the two, seeing as many cammers already own a computer before they start. Likewise, carpenters work for an hourly/salary that factors in the cost of equipment.

Also I think it’s a common pitfall for models to spend money on equipment beyond the basics, only to make pennies return on their investment. As he said in his OP, their audience seem fine with the audio, so maybe the couples’ priorities are on other aspects of their show that are making them money.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

Computers have a ton of common uses, a microphone for streaming is not something most people have a second use for. It’s silly to compare the two, seeing as many cammers already own a computer before they start. Likewise, carpenters work for an hourly/salary that factors in the cost of equipment.

Also I think it’s a common pitfall for models to spend money on equipment beyond the basics, only to make pennies return on their investment. As he said in his OP, their audience seem fine with the audio, so maybe the couples’ priorities are on other aspects of their show that are making them money.

The carpenters have to save up money or take a loan to finance their tools before they can go out working as an independent contractor and they are not guaranteed to get enough jobs to make a return on their investment either. However the point that I was trying to make is that it isn't expensive to buy a microphone. In a worst case scenario if the camming were not working out for the model a microphone at least have a second hand value so they could sell it on craigslist or something to get some of their money back. If they buy the microphone used in the first place they might not even loose money if their career as a cam model doesn't pan out.