Why are couple cammers with DECENT audio the exception rather than the rule?

[a_haze420]

I disagree a decent USB microphone will cost around $60 and unless camming is some last resort to put food on the table it should be affordable to most people.


They could work a regular job until they could save up enough money buy the equipment somehow. After all they where able to afford a computer to get online without anyone tipping and that should be a bigger expense. I think having decent equipment is the second most important thing after having done research about camming before going online the first time. If a model wants to be treated a professional treating the job as a profession should be requisite, after all who would hire a carpenter that showed up asking for money to buy tools?

Or you could tip them as the entire point of camming is to make money not spend 1000s on equipment and get nothing. I bought a brand new computer and paid it off in a week because my stream was much better. Because people took me private and tipped. Because they recognize my time is worth money because it is a job.

If you think its a job and a profession you should be paying for their time. You wouldn't go into a restaurant and demand free high quality food because others pay for it and "you think its something they should have"

My husband is a trades person and he had to work to obtain money to purchase good tools. A cam model would do the same. Work (get tipped by people) and then buy better equipment.

 

[RebelleHart]

If a model wants to be treated a professional treating the job as a profession should be requisite, after all who would hire a carpenter that showed up asking for money to buy tools?

I think the point here is that if a carpenter showed up to give a quote for a new client and discovered there was a specialized tool he needed for the project that his regular clients (who keep him steadily employed) never needed him to have before, he would likely factor in at least part of the cost of the tool into the quote. Even if he doesn't factor in the cost of the tool, he will still be getting paid and will have the money to buy it for the project. If the client agrees to the quote, he will buy the tool and do the project. If the client does not agree to pay, then he will go on without the tool and without consequence to his business as his regulars do not require the tool for their projects.

The point being that for these couples not having a fancy microphone is not necessary for them to please their regulars and they make enough money with out it and if OP would like to have an experience catered to him, he has to be willing to pay for it.

 

[Emberblaze]

The carpenters have to save up money or take a loan to finance their tools before they can go out working as an independent contractor and they are not guaranteed to get enough jobs to make a return on their investment either. However the point that I was trying to make is that it isn't expensive to buy a microphone. In a worst case scenario if the camming were not working out for the model a microphone at least have a second hand value so they could sell it on craigslist or something to get some of their money back. If they buy the microphone used in the first place they might not even loose money if their career as a cam model doesn't pan out.

When I went into the carpentry field (because that was my first career choice) I purchased enough tools to get the job done. I didn't buy the most expensive. I purchased just what I would need and upgraded as I went along. Meanwhile I watched peers purchase over priced things only to ruin them as they weren't experienced enough to use and I just wrecked my shitty cheap tools. I had the same quality of work with way less out of pocket cost. I upgraded to better things as I needed them and knew I could use and care for them properly. I also bought a fairly small tool kit and added things as I needed them.

Same thing applies to camming. Buy what you NEED at first. Which is a c920(or similar quality cam), some lamps (if you need them) and a computer to handle your stream if you don't already have one.

Is it NICE to have better audio? Sure. Should they rush to upgrade right away? No. The onboard mic on the Logitech c920 is perfectly adequate for most beginner models. Then they can upgrade when it's financially feasible and when they have the experience to setup the higher quality mic with minimal frustration.

Honestly though I think the carpenter vs cam model comparison is apples to oranges having done both . But I do get what you were trying to say so I won't blabber on with a detailed list of how different the two industries are starting out in.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

Or you could tip them as the entire point of camming is to make money not spend 1000s on equipment and get nothing. I bought a brand new computer and paid it off in a week because my stream was much better. Because people took me private and tipped. Because they recognize my time is worth money because it is a job.

If you think its a job and a profession you should be paying for their time. You wouldn't go into a restaurant and demand free high quality food because others pay for it and "you think its something they should have"

My husband is a trades person and he had to work to obtain money to purchase good tools. A cam model would do the same. Work (get tipped by people) and then buy better equipment.

I am not talking about spending thousands on equipment I am talking about spending about $60 on a new microphone or maybe half of that for a used one. You took a risk and invested in your own business that is what I mean others should do too if they are serious about camming as a profession like you are. I think camming is a profession but I can not go in and tip every single model that doesn't have decent equipment. As of the time I am writing this there are 1207 models online on MFC and first off I don't have the time to find all that has a stream that needs better equipment. Even if I did have the time I simply could not afford to tip every model that needed it.

No I would not go to a restaurant and expect free food, but at the same time I would not go to a restaurant and pay to eat oatmeal porridge with the promise that if I keep coming in and paying for oatmeal porridge I might get served steak at some point in the future.

When I went into the carpentry field (because that was my first career choice) I purchased enough tools to get the job done. I didn't buy the most expensive. I purchased just what I would need and upgraded as I went along. Meanwhile I watched peers purchase over priced things only to ruin them as they weren't experienced enough to use and I just wrecked my shitty cheap tools. I had the same quality of work with way less out of pocket cost. I upgraded to better things as I needed them and knew I could use and care for them properly. I also bought a fairly small tool kit and added things as I needed them.

Same thing applies to camming. Buy what you NEED at first. Which is a c920(or similar quality cam), some lamps (if you need them) and a computer to handle your stream if you don't already have one.

Is it NICE to have better audio? Sure. Should they rush to upgrade right away? No. The onboard mic on the Logitech c920 is perfectly adequate for most beginner models. Then they can upgrade when it's financially feasible and when they have the experience to setup the higher quality mic with minimal frustration.

Honestly though I think the carpenter vs cam model comparison is apples to oranges having done both . But I do get what you were trying to say so I won't blabber on with a detailed list of how different the two industries are starting out in.

I agree with most of what you have written but in a use case where the model is far away from the cam most of the time I don't think the built in microphone in the C920 is good enough. I have a Logitech C910 myself and if I stand 7-10 feet away from the camera the audio does not sound good . A USB microphone would be a good option in this case because they would be able to move it closer and still have the camera at a distance. As I said previously it would only be a small investment to make the audio at least sound decent.

I think the point here is that if a carpenter showed up to give a quote for a new client and discovered there was a specialized tool he needed for the project that his regular clients (who keep him steadily employed) never needed him to have before, he would likely factor in at least part of the cost of the tool into the quote. Even if he doesn't factor in the cost of the tool, he will still be getting paid and will have the money to buy it for the project. If the client agrees to the quote, he will buy the tool and do the project. If the client does not agree to pay, then he will go on without the tool and without consequence to his business as his regulars do not require the tool for their projects.

The point being that for these couples not having a fancy microphone is not necessary for them to please their regulars and they make enough money with out it and if OP would like to have an experience catered to him, he has to be willing to pay for it.

I am not talking about buying a fancy microphone, I am talking about buying one that kids playing CS:GO are able to afford, a microphone that costs less than a new video game. It should be something that most people who are serious about getting into camming would be able to afford.

 

[NoelleBright]

Really though, what are this guys standards for audio? It could be that these couples audio is perfectly fine and they don't actually need anything and he's just being unreasonable and looking for like, some ASMR level bullshit. I mean he complains about people playing music, sooooo.

 

[AudriTwo]

I am not talking about buying a fancy microphone, I am talking about buying one that kids playing CS:GO are able to afford, a microphone that costs less than a new video game. It should be something that most people who are serious about getting into camming would be able to afford.

i cammed for 4 years before i upgraded to an external mic. the external mic on your cam will be fine. also the mics kids use for CS:GO are headsets with cords... not really suitable for camming.

if you are talking about these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cyber-Acoustics-Desktop-Microphone/14178788

they are just as good as the mic in your cams.

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

Really though, what are this guys standards for audio? It could be that these couples audio is perfectly fine and they don't actually need anything and he's just being unreasonable and looking for like, some ASMR level bullshit. I mean he complains about people playing music, sooooo.

I'm wondering the same thing. According to guys that I trust to be honest, when I use the c920 mic, you can hear juicy pussy noises from about 8 feet away, and they barely heard any background noise from my roaring window a/c unit. Maybe I have great acoustics in the room, maybe it's because I don't play music, who knows, but it's served me well in the past. Like, if you can hear the wetness of the pussy, how much better do you want the sound to be? (I'm concerned that upgrading to a really good mic would result in people hearing my dog snore and fart and turn around in her bed 10000 times - if people have been hearing that on the c920, they have been kind enough to ignore it!)

 

[Kiki Jane]

I seemed to have tons of sound problems until I got a Blue Snowball mic (maybe $50?) But it could have been overly-picky guys, or maybe I sometimes fucked up the webcam's settings? At any rate, I haven't had a single sound complaint once I got the Blue Snowball.

That being said... Camming can be expensive. I have a new desktop now, and a rolling desk, which has really improved my stream. But next, I want better lamps and a camcorder so I can make videos. I'm holding off on buying either because I have a lot of debts to pay as well... It's always a balancing act. I'm not sure how much making vids will improve my financial bottom line, so I'm holding out..

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

i cammed for 4 years before i upgraded to an external mic. the external mic on your cam will be fine. also the mics kids use for CS:GO are headsets with cords... not really suitable for camming.

if you are talking about these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cyber-Acoustics-Desktop-Microphone/14178788

they are just as good as the mic in your cams.

No I was talking about one of these which is better than the mic I have in my C910.

 

[AudriTwo]

No I was talking about one of these which is better than the mic I have in my C910.

ah okay. i think you and i have different definitions for cheap mics. $50 vs $5

 

[heybarkeep]

It’s silly to compare

Yeah, just in general I feel. Not that the tool comparison doesn't hold some merit despite what a mindlessly one sided button mashing consensus will say. People often rely on comparisons to make a point or in attempts to win what they perceive to be arguments. On topic, you still suck op but I like that you remained committed to your choice of bailing. A mooch of his word. Seems like mooch has left the common vernacular or became hate speech. Hope it didn't turn out to be offensive to cows all along. I like the pink ones that make strawberry milk. As elusive as they are tasty.

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

ah okay. i think you and i have different definitions for cheap mics. $50 vs $5

I never said cheap I said decent and they are available for around $30 on craigslist.

 

[Emberblaze]

No I was talking about one of these which is better than the mic I have in my C910.

I actually own this mic and it was impossible to use for camming. The mic has to be one foot from my face for the guys to hear me at all. I tried messing with the levels etc and got no where with it. It especially doesn't pic up anything if my ass is to the camera. But the mic in my c920 still does a reasonable job when I'm "face down ass up"

I see Kiki saying she uses one so I'm not sure if it's just the acoustics of my room or what.

Regardless I don't recommend anyone buy one for camming. I have seen other models say they have the blue snowflake and like it though.

(Also I paid 79 dollars Canadian for that mic on amazon which doesn't even compare to the exchange rate dammit. Unfair! Lol)

 

[Kiki Jane]

I actually own this mic and it was impossible to use for camming. The mic has to be one foot from my face for the guys to hear me at all. I tried messing with the levels etc and got no where with it. It especially doesn't pic up anything if my ass is to the camera. But the mic in my c920 still does a reasonable job when I'm "face down ass up"

I see Kiki saying she uses one so I'm not sure if it's just the acoustics of my room or what.

Regardless I don't recommend anyone buy one for camming. I have seen other models say they have the blue snowflake and like it though.

(Also I paid 79 dollars Canadian for that mic on amazon which doesn't even compare to the exchange rate dammit. Unfair! Lol)

Actually, I use the snowflake and I got it for about $50 at a local nerdy computer store. Good place to check first.

 

[Emberblaze]

Actually, I use the snowflake and I got it for about $50 at a local nerdy computer store. Good place to check first.

There we have it. That solves my mystery of "how the fuck is she using that mic." Lol.

I think the snowball one is better suited for very close up use. I used it for twitch fine.

 

[cammingcouple]

1. Because most are probably not aware of how they sound. How would they know? Unlike the video, which they can see. You can't really hear how you sound unless you record yourself. Which isn't possible using chaturbate's default setup (which also was set to use the built-in laptop mic). I didn't discover we sounded like crap until I switched to OBS and played back a recording.

2. Getting good audio with a couple is difficult. It usually requires a bigger field of view than solo, so you're farther away from the mic (if using the camera).

I switched to using a blue snowball mic and it sounds much better, but still struggle with it being loud enough.

 

[a_haze420]

I am not talking about spending thousands on equipment I am talking about spending about $60 on a new microphone or maybe half of that for a used one. You took a risk and invested in your own business that is what I mean others should do too if they are serious about camming as a profession like you are. I think camming is a profession but I can not go in and tip every single model that doesn't have decent equipment. As of the time I am writing this there are 1207 models online on MFC and first off I don't have the time to find all that has a stream that needs better equipment. Even if I did have the time I simply could not afford to tip every model that needed it.

No I would not go to a restaurant and expect free food, but at the same time I would not go to a restaurant and pay to eat oatmeal porridge with the promise that if I keep coming in and paying for oatmeal porridge I might get served steak at some point in the future

Never said you had to tip every single model not once. But for example OP can't bitch about sound quality for a particular model if he will never contribute.

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

A lot of the question/answer stuff on Amazon indicates that the Snowball mic is for up close use, and that it won't perform very well if you're more than 3 feet away. If you're in doggy, you'd have to either have the mic on a boom and pull it into view, or... balance the mic on your ass...? I don't know. Three feet is not much to work with, especially if you ever plan to move around, or just change positions. Even a twin bed is more than 3' wide, after all.

I wonder if they mean that it's crystal clear at 3' or less, and less than perfect at a distance, but still better than the c920? I assume there are mics for sitting at a desk and podcasting and others that are suitable for distance and movement?

 

[AudriTwo]

I never said cheap I said decent and they are available for around $30 on craigslist.

my mistake then

 

[AmberCutie]

The moral of the first page of this thread = "if you're not a tipper/paying member, you're not entitled to complain about what the model is doing, etc."

The onboard mic on the Logitech c920 is perfectly adequate for most beginner models.

Really though, what are this guys standards for audio? It could be that these couples audio is perfectly fine and they don't actually need anything and he's just being unreasonable and looking for like, some ASMR level bullshit. I mean he complains about people playing music, sooooo.

I think the OP is unreasonably picky and it's likely the model couple's sound is just fine to majority of viewers, and clearly fine with their paying members.

I'm wondering the same thing. According to guys that I trust to be honest, when I use the c920 mic, you can hear juicy pussy noises from about 8 feet away, and they barely heard any background noise from my roaring window a/c unit. Maybe I have great acoustics in the room, maybe it's because I don't play music, who knows, but it's served me well in the past. Like, if you can hear the wetness of the pussy, how much better do you want the sound to be? (I'm concerned that upgrading to a really good mic would result in people hearing my dog snore and fart and turn around in her bed 10000 times - if people have been hearing that on the c920, they have been kind enough to ignore it!)

Unless a cam model is going to focus on audio-heavy activities in their stream, the mic that's built into the Logitech external cam is adequate. Usual activities for a standard cam model involve moving around, bending over, dancing, etc. The logitech cam mic can pick up voice and music from all around a small/medium sized room. (Source: I have been doing this for over 8 years and it just works.) The exception would be if the cable on your cam is going bad, then sometimes it creates crackly audio. At which time model should buy a new cam that comes with its own new microphone.

For models that focus on playing an instrument or singing, or doing ASMR type shows, THEN it makes complete sense to use a microphone that is meant to be closer to your face/body that will pick up those sounds better.

I would never list a separate external microphone as necessary equipment otherwise. I WOULD say, however, that using the mic built into a laptop is a bad idea.

No I was talking about one of these which is better than the mic I have in my C910.

I actually own this mic and it was impossible to use for camming. The mic has to be one foot from my face for the guys to hear me at all. I tried messing with the levels etc and got no where with it. It especially doesn't pic up anything if my ass is to the camera. But the mic in my c920 still does a reasonable job when I'm "face down ass up"

I have definitely noticed a difference when I've been in a room where a model has a Blue external mic. Sounds lovely if they're just sitting at the desk speaking (like a CS:GO player would be doing), but as soon as they get up to do something sexilicious, can barely hear them speak.

 

[ExcellaExe]

I think part of the problem is this idea that girls need to invest assumes that the girl will be successful if she does. A lot of girls (or boys or couples) end up not making a lot on cam. So investing in a mic (or in better equipment like you would for Streamate to get better placement) doesn't necessarily equal income. So, I agree that girls should wait until it's financially feasible to buy the mic versus getting one right away. Wait until you can afford a new mic based on your stream, versus going out and getting one off a loan or on your limited income. A lot of cammodels do this because they need the cash, and I think it's a bit erroneous to think that they can afford a to spend even $60 on something. I know some who can barely afford to eat.

Like a bunch of the girls have said, the mic on the C920 is perfectly fine for most models. The ONLY reason I use my Yeti is because I have it from my streaming days and because I'm pretty sure my mic on my cam is dying.

 

[ZoeBanx]

Erm, you know you’re really making yourself sound like an entitled asshole? No one wants to “take out a loan” or “make an investment” for people like you who aren't even customers, just lurkers who do nothing for us.

When I first started camming I had shitty everything. One of my first privates was with a guy who wanted me to have better video quality.. so he sent me an amazon gift card to buy a new cam! It’s that easy! Now he can see my pussy in HD wow what a concept

Camming wasn’t a “last resort” for me but why would I spend even $60 that I don’t have to? Funny you act like 60 bucks is so cheap but you aren’t willing to spend even a fraction of that for what you want

 

[mynameisbob84]

Really though, what are this guys standards for audio? It could be that these couples audio is perfectly fine and they don't actually need anything and he's just being unreasonable and looking for like, some ASMR level bullshit. I mean he complains about people playing music, sooooo.

If I can't hear the neighbours' footsteps over the sound of the couple's moans and the bed creaking with each orgasmic thrust, then frankly, I can't maintain an erection. And nor would I want to. If I can't hear the gentle hum of your refrigerator while you're having sex, then what's the point?

 

[AmberCutie]

Erm, you know you’re really making yourself sound like an entitled asshole? No one wants to “take out a loan” or “make an investment” for people like you who aren't even customers, just lurkers who do nothing for us.

Not sure if this was directed at OP or DJ, but just wanted to point out that they are different people. DJ is not a confirmed freeloading jerkyface, he's cool beans even if we disagree with his suggestions for equipment investment.

 

[JoleneBrody]

i cammed for 4 years before i upgraded to an external mic. the external mic on your cam will be fine. also the mics kids use for CS:GO are headsets with cords... not really suitable for camming.

if you are talking about these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cyber-Acoustics-Desktop-Microphone/14178788

they are just as good as the mic in your cams.

I cammed for 6 years with just a webcam mic and was frequently complimented on my audio quality. Granted I did use the old logitech 9000 for just a mic after I upgraded to the logitech 930e for about a year until I got my yeti.
I often miss using that old laptop mic, I had way less issues. The standard cam built in mic is just fine for most people.

 

[ZoeBanx]

Not sure if this was directed at OP or DJ, but just wanted to point out that they are different people. DJ is not a confirmed freeloading jerkyface, he's cool beans even if we disagree with his suggestions for equipment investment.

lol my bad sorry i was posting from my phone and didn't read thoroughly. i personally don't think it's that expensive either, most things people ask for aren't. it just adds up and gets annoying because every person seems to want/care about different things. i don't think any kind of equipment upgrade is a bad investment if you have the money and are serious about camming.. but i think that's way more common for solo performers. isn't it just a side gig for most couples? i know they don't usually make as much

 

[SaffronBurke]

How on earth is everyone managing to get their webcam mics to work? I don't know if my computer is just a buttface, but I have never been able to get my webcam mic to cooperate, even after playing with the settings. Both the 9000 and the C920 cut in & out for me. I use my laptop's built in mic, and it's pretty darn great. I only get complaints about my audio when Streamate is glitching and some dude whines that my sound is "broken", despite another dude in the room responding to what I'm saying at the same time that dude A is complaining instead of refreshing his browser, which fixes the problem 99% of the time.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Seems like mooch has left the common vernacular

Really? I use it quite frequently to refer to family members who have lived with me, without pitching in.

 

[Kiki Jane]

How on earth is everyone managing to get their webcam mics to work? I don't know if my computer is just a buttface, but I have never been able to get my webcam mic to cooperate, even after playing with the settings. Both the 9000 and the C920 cut in & out for me. I use my laptop's built in mic, and it's pretty darn great. I only get complaints about my audio when Streamate is glitching and some dude whines that my sound is "broken", despite another dude in the room responding to what I'm saying at the same time that dude A is complaining instead of refreshing his browser, which fixes the problem 99% of the time.

Yeah, weird, that's kind of how it was with me back before I got an external mic. Maybe the mic on my cam is just broken or something...?

 

[Lelo1]

I never said cheap I said decent and they are available for around $30 on craigslist.

What do you consider 'acceptable audio' for 30?

Twitch streamers spend like 100-500 on their mics per person. The setup for a group shot is like 400-900 per mic.

I don't think model sites rank by view count, Or have advertisements with profit sharing. So they're not focused on total viewer count like twitch.

It does raise and interesting question. Could advertisements be a profit model for models.