Who are you voting for?

[Behemoth]

Further, how does that explain association prior to that apology?

 

[JoleneBrody]

It wasn't just the "Taco Bowl" comment, there was so much racially charged shit in her emails... this sums it up nicely:

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And yeah, when someone pretends to be outraged at Trump not immediately and on the spot disavowing David Duke (but doing it 2 days later) and yet doesn't get outraged by Hillary's own troubling connection to a KKK figure (and by the way explain to me how it is okay to "apologize" for having been a member of KKK and all is forgiven? Can a rapist apologize for raping another person and be forgiven? How does that work?)

When they pretend to be outraged at some of Trump's bombastic comments because they see "racism" in them, and then defends Hillary for her far worse comments... I can't take the claim that they care about racist comments seriously anymore. Because if the issue was racism, they would at least condemn both.

The rabbit hole is way deeper with the Clinton Foundation there are so many nasty things in there it is certainly much more troubling than anything Trump has ever said or done. People not seeing it are either uninformed or crazy.

I appreciate the information because as I stated, I feel like I'm missing something based on what I'm seeing put out there and now I'm determined to keep digging but I stand by my initial comment about the taco bowl comment... And I feel like you almost proved it because it is getting WAY more attention than any other possible racist talk and distracting the masses.
Which might all be intentional who knows.

Appreciate the FacePalm but information went a lot further

 

[Osmia]

(it's "Democratic" party btw)

Thanks for pointing out that "misspelling".

For those who were too young to be paying attention to politics, or didn't live in this country, the Republicans and their official propaganda arm, Fox News, began using the term "The Democrat Party" instead of the correct form, "The Democratic Party." This is meant as a term of derision, a sort of verbal shorthand and an in-group code word. It also has a nails-on-chalkboard quality for democrats and for devotees of the English language.

I suppose the rationale for this is to enable the Right to refer to the democrats without using the term democratic, which has many positive connotations (the democratic process, democratic form of government, democratic ideals, etc.). Very mature..

I was surprised when looking this up in Wikipedia that the use of the term may go back to 1940. However, I am old enough, and I definitely don't recall it being used much before George W. Bush.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

When they pretend to be outraged at some of Trump's bombastic comments because they see "racism" in them, and then defends Hillary for her far worse comments... I can't take the claim that they care about racist comments seriously anymore. Because if the issue was racism, they would condemn both.

Some of what you posted there is questionable. If it's all true (and it is doubtful it all is), it is a completely different thing. Muttering a slur isn't really good. But getting up in front of a crowd you have an influence on, lying to them about a threat they face, and blaming a whole group of people for it is something different.

Feed fear and anger, it will consume you.

This argument only works if you posit that unless we know absolutely 100% of every detail, it's not necessary to keep the tally. But we can know for certain things have happened even if we don't know the full details. We DO know, for certain, the tally, even if we don't know the 100% of every individual detail. We can know for sure what she's done, even if we don't know for sure EVERYTHING she's done, or the full details of everything she has.

We do not have a complete picture. We don't know who is the worse evil. Simple as that.

Appearances do not match reality. She's no more stable, and will not bring stability any more than we've had stability for the last 8 years, and she certainly won't bring it to a global stage either. I didn't reduce it to just pointed at her, I specifically, in the area you quoted, refereed to 'those like her,' but to pretend also that she did not have a major hand in destabilizing the region is far more grotesque to me. This seems to be you wanting to use words without actually thinking about their actual meaning or implications again.

Hillary will not bring stability.

Again, stability to the office. Was my clarification too complex? Mental stability on a personal level. Capiche?

Hillary had a hand in Libya. So did god-knows-how-many others. Going back who knows how many years. Or decades. Centuries?

 

[Behemoth]

We do not have a complete picture. We don't know who is the worse evil. Simple as that.

Yes, actually, we can, because even the incomplete picture of Hillary marks her worse than Trump.

Again, stability to the office. Was my clarification too complex? Mental stability on a personal level. Capiche?

Hillary had a hand in Libya. So did god-knows-how-many others. Going back who knows how many years. Or decades. Centuries?

And I'm saying she's not more stable than Trump, in any way. She's as bad, at the best.

But you're right, so many folks had a hand, what difference does it make?

the Republicans and their official propaganda arm, Fox News

I want to point out that while this is pretty true, the Republicans have Fox News, the Democrats have pretty much everything else. Journalism hasn't been anything but that for... well, forever.

 

[Mila_]

I appreciate the information because as I stated, I feel like I'm missing something based on what I'm seeing put out there and now I'm determined to keep digging but I stand by my initial comment about the taco bowl comment... And I feel like you almost proved it because it is getting WAY more attention than any other possible racist talk and distracting the masses.
Which might all be intentional who knows.

Appreciate the FacePalm but information went a lot further

More info in case you actually found it productive.

The Clinton Foundation was co-founded by Jeffrey Epstein. For those not familiar with who he is, he is a financier millionaire who was convicted for raping girl prostitutes (as young as 10 years old). He even had a plane with a bed where he would invite people and they could have sex with minor prostitutes he would hire from all over the world. Many american girls testified against him and talked about their experiences when he made them sex slaves when they were as young as 13. Now Bill Clinton flied 26 times on Jeffrey Epstein's pedo-plane in three years before things became public. Then Epstein gave the Clinton Foundation 3.5 million dollars, some say it was hush money. Has she distanced herself from him? No.

It wasn't the only instance in which she seemed to be A-ok with a child rapist. There are the "Hillary Tapes" a bunch of audio recordings of Hillary Clinton from the 80s speaking freely about the biggest case of her career, when she defended Thomas Alfred Taylor, a 41-year-old accused of raping a 12 year old girl after luring her into a car. And on the Hillary Tapes (ranging from 1983 to 1987) she suggests she knew he was guilty all along. She says she used a legal technicality to reduce the sentence from 30 years in prison to 1 year and a slap on the wrist.

“It was a fascinating case, it was a very interesting case,” Clinton says in the recording. “This guy was accused of raping a 12-year-old. Course he claimed that he didn’t, and all this stuff”

“I had him take a polygraph, which he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,” she added with a laugh.

I will paste a fragment of an article on it if you care about rape you should read it just to see how far she was willing to take this, including invalidating evidence (the panties of the 12 year old smeared with her own blood and the attacker's semen). She got the sentence down from 30 years in prison to 1 year. From rape of a child to "fondling":

Clinton wrote that she had been informed the young girl was “emotionally unstable” and had a “tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing.”

“I have also been told by an expert in child psychology that children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents in disorganized families, such as the complainant’s, are even more prone to exaggerate behavior,” Clinton said.

Clinton said the child had “in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body” and that the girl “exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”

But in the end an error by the prosecution made it unnecessary for her to unleash these attacks on the credibility of a 12-year-old rape victim.

“You know, what was sad about it,” Clinton told Reed, “was that the prosecutor had evidence, among which was [Taylor’s] underwear, which was bloody.”

Clinton wrote in Living History that she was able to win a plea deal for her client after she obtained forensic testimony that “cast doubt on the evidentiary value of semen and blood samples collected by the sheriff’s office.”

She did that by seizing on a missing link in the chain of evidence. According to Clinton’s interview, the prosecution lost track of its own forensic evidence after the testing was complete.

“The crime lab took the pair of underpants, neatly cut out the part that they were gonna test, tested it, came back with the result of what kind of blood it was what was mixed in with it – then sent the pants back with the hole in it to evidence,” said Clinton (LISTEN HERE). “Of course the crime lab had thrown away the piece they had cut out.”

Clinton said she got permission from the court to take the underwear to a renowned forensics expert in New York City to see if he could confirm that the evidence had been invalidated.

“The story through the grape vine was that if you could get [this investigator] interested in the case then you had the foremost expert in the world willing to testify, so maybe it came out the way you wanted it to come out,” she said.

She said the investigator examined the cut-up underwear and told her there was not enough blood left on it to test.

When Clinton returned to Arkansas, she said she gave the prosecutor a clipping of the New York forensic investigator’s “Who’s Who.”

“I handed it to Gibson, and I said, ‘Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice,’” said Clinton, breaking into laughter.

“So we were gonna plea bargain,” she continued.

When she went before Judge Cummings to present the plea, he asked her to leave the room while he interrogated her client, she said.

“I said, ‘Judge I can’t leave the room, I’m his lawyer,’” said Clinton, laughing. “He said, ‘I know but I don’t want to talk about this in front of you.’”

“So that was Maupin [Cummings], we had a lot of fun with Maupin,” Clinton added.

Reed asked what happened to the rapist.

“Oh, he plea bargained. Got him off with time served in the county jail, he’d been in the county jail for about two months,” said Clinton.

When asked why Taylor wanted a female lawyer, Clinton responded, “Who knows. Probably saw a TV show. He just wanted one.”

Taylor, who pleaded to unlawful fondling of a chid, was sentenced to one year in prison, with two months reduced for time served. He died in 1992.

Read the rest of the article and listen to the tapes over here: http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-tapes/

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Yes, actually, we can, because even the incomplete picture of Hillary marks her worse than Trump.

lol ok Chuckles. An incomplete picture of Hillary vs. an incomplete picture of Trump is......

 

[HanlonShaves]

The Republicans completely control both houses. They could reconvene if they wanted to. They could do something useful instead of voting to repeal Obamacare for the umpteenth time, if they wanted to. Their actions (or lack thereof) tell you where their priorities lie.

Certainly won't argue that, the Republican party has been in a particularly glorious spiral of failure, inaction, and scooby-doo villainy lately.

Not that I'm any happier with the Democrats, mind you. Politicians are politicians regardless of party, and...well, I just don't like politicians. No such thing as a good one, just slightly less shitty ones.

 

[LuckySmiles]

I know this is completely meaningless because I'm sort of on an anonymous forum in a way. But I know lots of people who know things. haha.

I've repeatedly heard that the bias and twisted details is just as bad if not WORSE behind the scenes on the Left leaning networks compared to Fox, for example.

So arguments of "Fox said this" are essentially meaningless anymore. Especially with the NYtimes, CNN, MSNBC, etc etc etc having ties to funding democrats. Especially when the collusion came right out in emails two weeks ago. You have to assume it all to be meaningless and try to figure things out for yourself. It's hard. Most people don't have time for that.

That's why when Trump had such a bad press week last week, after gaining a lot of positive momentum at the RNC I was like... holy shit. They really are afraid of him. Even babygate was essentially a fabricated story. But it's too late. It's not news anymore.. public decided...Trump hates babies. Clinton campaign still pushing it on their site....because they're struggling.

Baby's mom still voting Trump though. lol But this is how easily people are swayed by non-stories. They make mountains out of bullshit and everyone eats it up.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

More info...

The story of her defending a criminal, have to set aside my distaste for.

The Jeffrey Epstein story is different. Appalling.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ng-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

"Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes.
...
And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13."

I honestly don't know what to make of this shit.

 

[JoleneBrody]

@Kitsune I appreciate it and will look at everything but in the sake of trains and tracks... we were talking about the leaked dnc emails and the context from those emails outside of the "taco bowl engagement" that were racist, since similar to the Trump inviting Putin to hack and find Hillary's emails comment, the intention behind the comment appears to be not so straight forward to everyone hearing it. I see a jab at Trump, some see a jab at Latinos and maybe we're all right?

I have already stated here that I think HRC is a turd sandwich, so I'm happy to flip off either side... it's just the pubbie side I hate the most right now and I don't see how that could possibly change at this point but finding one more deplorable than the other does not have to limit your ability to look objectively at both sides.
I've seen multiple comment from trump supporters saying "if he did this I would not support him" and then when he did that exact thing they defended him doing it and dropped their stance from 5 minutes ago. Dems are guilty of this too, both parties are BIG time... but even a few pages ago we have proof that something is bad until YOUR (the general your, not you directly) party or candidate does it (the enough.org pledge for example)... then it's defendable or just get's ignored and I think that's a major problem in this country.

One that can be fixed? pbbbfttt who knows, maybe if we were all Vulcans who operated from logic more than emotion?

 

[Mila_]

The story of her defending a criminal, have to set aside my distaste for.

The Jeffrey Epstein story is different. Appalling.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ng-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

"Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes.
...
And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13."

I honestly don't know what to make of this shit.

Funny you mention this. It has been said by some that this is the way the Hillary campaign is reframing the story so that Trump cannot use Epstein as ammo. Considering Trump does have ties to Epstein because they were in the same social circles and he was often invited to Mar-A-Lago's famous parties, and he even talked highly of Epstein before any of this came to light. So by suggesting Trump has (or had) a tighter bond than he had with Epstein they can cast doubts on Trump. It worked. They even had a woman sue Trump & Epstein for raping her when she was 13, and yet she only came forward with that story in May this year. There is no evidence that Trump ever flew on the Lolita Express or had his way with any of Epstein sex slaves.

I think there is some truth to this theory. There is no way to know whether Trump was involved or not but if we doubt Trump for having been in the same circle as Epstein we would have to judge a hundred others who also knew him and were social with him before the trial. However some really strange shit happens when you look up "Jeffrey Epstein rape" on Google:



Pages upon pages talking about Trump... but there is NOTHING THERE about the original case, or about the Clintons who had a way tighter relationship to the guy including proof that Clinton was aboard the Lolita Express 26 times. There is no talk about that AT ALL. Only pages of pages of "Donald Trump child rape lawsuit" It makes you think what the fuck is going on at Google and who pulls the strings of your search results.

 

[JoleneBrody]

The story of her defending a criminal, have to set aside my distaste for.

The Jeffrey Epstein story is different. Appalling.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ng-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

"Epstein’s little black book and flight logs read like a virtual Who’s Who: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, and Naomi Campbell all hitched rides on Epstein’s private planes.
...
And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13."

I honestly don't know what to make of this shit.

Graphic details of Trump assaulting and raping his ex wife were part of his divorce deposition... and her book.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

Stop talking about the stupid crying baby and talk about his actual major personal character flaws. This should be very alarming

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Funny you mention this. It has been said by some that this is the way the Hillary campaign is reframing the story so that Trump cannot use Epstein as ammo.

Idk. That's why I say I don't know what to make of it.

A sad goddamn day when this kind of thing is viewed as ammo. They're all dirty.

 

[Mila_]

Graphic details of Trump assaulting and raping his ex wife were part of his divorce deposition... and her book.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

Stop talking about the stupid crying baby and talk about his actual major personal character flaws. This should be very alarming

She took those comments back a hundred times.

"I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald," she said in the statement today. "The story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised 3 children that we love and are very proud of."

Ivana Trump had already walked back the rape allegation in 1993 as the book was about to be published.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-wife-ivana-disavows-rape-allegation/story?id=32732204

 

[Behemoth]

lol ok Chuckles. An incomplete picture of Hillary vs. an incomplete picture of Trump is......

I'm saying that given the scope and scale of what we know for Hillary, compared to what we know for Trump, Hillary is worse.

Otherwise, your argument basically amounts to 'well, we can't know so why bother.'

 

[JoleneBrody]

She took those comments back a hundred times.



Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-wife-ivana-disavows-rape-allegation/story?id=32732204

with them being sworn testimony... considering her current good ties... It's still worth looking at IMO.

this is not exactly "disavowing"

“During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” Ivana Trump said in a statement at the time, as the Daily Beastreported. "[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

edit: he ripped chunks of her hair out while penetrating her against her will... she doesn't deny that still, just that she would call it "rape" now but I'm not sure what else we would call it?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Otherwise, your argument basically amounts to 'well, we can't know so why bother.'

Nu. My argument was, for somebody who has morally risen above this mess, you sure seem to have a preference....

Nothing wrong with that, just think it's funny is all.

 

[JickyJuly]

Since Hilary Clinton comes with Bill Clinton, it's safe to say that both parties are totally cool with appointing candidates who have rapey pasts. It's super disgusting that we even have to compare these two people and try to figure out who's worse. It's like bottom of the barrel human scum in expensive outfits.

On a personal level, I think Hillary is worse. This is her with a team of people who've been trying to make her look good. She's basically been running for president for a decade. If this much of her ugliness shows through with that much PR help, there can't be a lot of good in there.

Still, big picture, I think Trump could do worse things simply because he'll be the perfect fall guy. If he makes it in, the super conservatives will be able to push him to do all the things they've been wanting. Then they'll pretend it wasn't their doing. I don't think he or Hillary care what happens once they're in office. They both just have ego and want that Mr(s) President title.

 

[Osmia]

....That's why when Trump had such a bad press week last week, after gaining a lot of positive momentum at the RNC I was like... holy shit. They really are afraid of him. Even babygate was essentially a fabricated story. But it's too late. It's not news anymore.. public decided...Trump hates babies. Clinton campaign still pushing it on their site....because they're struggling.

Regarding Trump's bad "press" week, don't you think that his actions and words during that period might have had just a little something to do with it?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Regarding Trump's bad "press" week, don't you think that his actions and words during that period might have had just a little something to do with it?

Yeah, it's not exactly like the liberal media is nailing him to a cross.

 

[Mila_]

Since Hilary Clinton comes with Bill Clinton, it's safe to say that both parties are totally cool with appointing candidates who have rapey pasts. It's super disgusting that we even have to compare these two people and try to figure out who's worse. It's like bottom of the barrel human scum in expensive outfits.

On a personal level, I think Hillary is worse. This is her with a team of people who've been trying to make her look good. She's basically been running for president for a decade. If this much of her ugliness shows through with that much PR help, there can't be a lot of good in there.

Still, big picture, I think Trump could do worse things simply because he'll be the perfect fall guy. If he makes it in, the super conservatives will be able to push him to do all the things they've been wanting. Then they'll pretend it wasn't their doing. I don't think he or Hillary care what happens once they're in office. They both just have ego and want that Mr(s) President title.

I wasn't really comparing Trump to Hillary, I was trying to show how some people will pretend to be outraged and throw buzzwords around when in reality they don't really care about the topic, it is just a weapon against the candidate they don't like. If people truly cared about "racism" and all the other buzzwords they wouldn't defend Hillary.

I would never compare the 2 because in my opinion Trump is 10000 times better than Hillary. That is not a difficult feat, mind you, Hillary is so crooked, she is literally scum. But I also believe Trump is better than any DC politician simply because he is running on his own ideas, funded mostly by his own money, and defending the american people on topics no politician ever wanted to address on either party simply because the big pockets funding them were profiting too much from the problems they were creating for the society.

I don't have an issue with Trump's "hating women" or "rapey past" because I have read a lot about him and seen his actions over the years which speak much louder than random tweets or words aimed at Rosie O'Donell ever will. For example he has always had women in positions of power within his organization all the way up to the very top. He has always taken his wives and daughters opinions into consideration in every project he has undertaken. If he raped or didn't rape Ivana when they were married we will never know. But we do all know how divorces can get nasty and people make up shit in the process out of spite and to get a better division of assets and in the case of Trump he had A LOT of assets up for grabs. Maybe he raped her and then she took it back because he threatened to not give her anything, maybe she made it all up to get a better deal out of the divorce. I don't know and I don't care. I also don't care what his motivation is for running. I don't care if all he wants is the title of "Mr President" and a good legacy. All I care about is the fact that he wants to do what is necessary to fix the country, not what a PAC wants him to do and is not afraid to call things by their name even in the face of loud criticism which in my opinion means he isn't going to back off when he needs to be strong, he wont capitulate to the enemy, he wont apologize for America like Obama did so many times.

 

[Behemoth]

Nu. My argument was, for somebody who has morally risen above this mess, you sure seem to have a preference....

Nothing wrong with that, just think it's funny is all.

No, the only one inferring preference is you. I don't want either. I won't support either. I won't vote, donate, or in any way support any candidate. In the same way I can state that a gunshot from a .308 rifle is worse than 9mm handgun, that does not mean I'm expressing a desire to shot or supporting beings shot with either. They're both terrible. I can remark on one being MORE terrible without wanting or having a preference, because it's a fact of reality. Likewise, I can state that Hillary Clinton is substantive worse than Trump, without supporting or having a preference FOR Trump, because I don't buy into the bullshit ideas you are insisting on.

You're not even trying here.

 

[LuckySmiles]

@Osmia I think it's blown way the hell out of proportion. And I don't see it equally.

I put the baby thing there to show how easily people make stories out of nothing. That should never even have been news.

On character references
Trumps reportedly has never even had a drink, and seems to be a family man. Lots of people that have known him,worked for or with him say he's a really nice guy. The radio dj hosts, who do not want to vote Trump, in the Tyson interview I posted even mention this as well about how they hear it a lot, from people who know him and his kids and his reputation in NYC..
I have heard the same.

The Clintons values are way more questionable IMO. I've heard firsthand stories of shitty behavior and character issues. There's loads of shady stories out there already, reports of Clinton needing drugs for her temper and outbursts. There's suspicious deaths surrounding their entire career. She's literally responsible for ACTUAL DEATHS while in office. And the outrage is barely there. People will still willingly vote for her and think it's ok or a safer choice.

And there's dozens of stories about "the baby" or anything else Trump said that somebody didn't like. Clinton even uses it in her goddamn campaign. As if it matters to anything about anything everrrr. People eat it up and it's like the whole world has lost its mind. But none of that even matters when the course of her career and choices in office have already been shitty. Her policies and actions in office have already made a negative impression. Put it all together and she's a giant mess.

I agree with Trump's economic policies, I agree with doing everything possible to help business growth. I have seen first hand how hard it is for the "little people" to make businesses work because of government interference enforced by people like Hillary Clinton. I don't know if that's what he'll do but I'm much more willing to give him a chance.

I disagree with policies Clinton supported while her husband was in office. Her time in Senate in NY was not impressive. Her actions as secretary of state were not impressive. If we just go off record alone there's plenty of reasons not to vote for her, but for some reason that's not enough for people....

And I know somebody's personality isn't supposed to determine their presidential-ness or whatever, but I do think there's something to be said about the way people behave when they think no one's looking.

and... word on the street is... Trump's the better dude.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

The suspicious Clinton deaths...

I remember in the 90's, listening to Rush carry on about them. I used to fume, get so mad. Pissed me off to no end that Clinton could get away with murder like that.

So is this still a thing? Any links to a credible sources? Because for like the last 13 years now, I have been of the opinion it is a bunch of bullshit cooked up by right-wing mythologists.

 

[Osmia]

The suspicious Clinton deaths...

I remember in the 90's, listening to Rush carry on about them. I used to fume, get so mad. Pissed me off to no end that Clinton could get away with murder like that.

So is this still a thing? Any links to a credible sources? Because for like the last 13 years now, I have been of the opinion it is a bunch of bullshit cooked up by right-wing mythologists.

In my opinion, you can continue on with your opinion.

As an aside, back in the late 80s - early 90s, I had a job that entailed spending a lot of time in the car. I listened to Rush Limbaugh a lot back then, because he was interesting and entertaining. I've been a lefty all my life, and somehow, he didn't drive me crazy or get me too worked up. The only thing I can conclude is that he was more moderate or mellow back then.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

In my opinion, you can continue on with your opinion.

As an aside, back in the late 80s - early 90s, I had a job that entailed spending a lot of time in the car. I listened to Rush Limbaugh a lot back then, because he was interesting and entertaining. I've been a lefty all my life, and somehow, he didn't drive me crazy or get me too worked up. The only thing I can conclude is that he was more moderate or mellow back then.

Ohhh, I bought into him hook, line, and sinker. I was on the right then. That nonsense was gospel for me. Wasn't particularly healthy I don't think, but at least I had the blessed assurance of knowing I held the correct opinion on every matter.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I'm digging and digging on the wiki leaks and I'm not finding a lot, in regards to racism aside from the taco bowl engagement (and you know my thoughts there) and a non Hilary involved chain where someone made fun of a black woman's name briefly.

Is there more? because I'm even reading conservatives articles and having trouble finding much, especially involving Hilary herself. I would love some links if anyone has them.

 

[Lili_xo]

i dont know what is wrong with that woman Hillary not being concerned at all with rape of child it points to a fact she is a psychopath but maybe she just into values of her taliban friends which are simply different culture and according to some we must be accepting and tolerant of different cultures where marriage to children is normal.
Not sure who her supporters are anymore last time I checked it was the father of Orlando murderer (49 dead) who in broken English explained why we do not need guns.
He looked unconvinced also a bit annoyed as he was saying all that as well as supporting Hillary with given to him by democrats banner I have a Feeling he was offered something in return for his appearance( money or something else?) which makes me wonder - why would Hillary ppl think the presence of this man is good for the campaign? Are they so desperate for votes at this point anyone will do? I don't know it looks desperate.

 

[Lili_xo]

@Osmia There's suspicious deaths surrounding their entire career. She's literally responsible for ACTUAL DEATHS while in office. And the outrage is barely there. People will still willingly vote for her and think it's ok or a safer choice..

Yes there is a list of weird deaths somewhere online I saw that. It was weird -because so many. Really scary. But for the masses unless is front page main stream media is called conspiracy theory and/or fear mongering. Eventually might make it to main stream years later then will be news.however I recommend anyone to do research is a fascinating read about ppl who died in all kind of circumstances all connected to clintons.