Who are you voting for?

[LuckySmiles]

Did you see how ABC cut his speech when he started talking about Hillary, ISIS and Bengazi?

Yep! I also saw the one where the reporter starts going off on Hillary Clinton policies causing increased arrests and gets immediately cut off. haha. It gets so obvious sometimes!!

Obama wasn't fooled and I wonder why such an experienced, connected, and smart politician like Clinton was fooled?

She wasn't "fooled." That's the thing. People always know what goes on, for whatever reason they don't care, or get paid not to, or have self serving political interests that are more important.

 

[n_i_c_u]

and gets immediately cut off.

There has to be a real reason why networks keep cutting off people. It's gotta be a ratings thing...oh wait...the reporter stated Clinton's support for "anti crime legislation" and something about "era of mass incarceration" --that has to be a mistake on the part of the reporter (sure, I'll say it). Clinton is smart in the world of Politics. I'm guessing the reporter got it wrong (hope that reporter can find a job in a place other than CNN, jeez, you know how these things go).

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Put on MSNBC the other day. Listened to them loop, and loop, and loop...the message. A joke. Stultifying.

 

[LuckySmiles]

There has to be a real reason why networks keep cutting off people. It's gotta be a ratings thing...oh wait...the reporter stated Clinton's support for "anti crime legislation" and something about "era of mass incarceration" --that has to be a mistake on the part of the reporter (sure, I'll say it). Clinton is smart in the world of Politics. I'm guessing the reporter got it wrong (hope that reporter can find a job in a place other than CNN, jeez, you know how these things go).

?? I can't tell if you're joking. The reporter is referring to Clinton administration policies (Bill) in the 90s that directly correlates with mass incarceration. The reporter wasn't wrong... she was just making unapproved statements.

Put on MSNBC the other day. Listened to them loop, and loop, and loop...the message. A joke. Stultifying.

I know it's depressing but it's obvious when they mix up their own spin. This one's from a while ago and I'll bet whoever was in charge of these clips is long gone by now. Tamron Hall makes a jerk of herself over it, trying to recover.

 

[Behemoth]

So, I've had a thought. Recently, I've seen a lot of 'The KKK endorsed Trump!' stuff, and me, being a person who rather likes truth, even uncomfortable ones, wanted to find out of this was true. What I found out was that actually, some group using the KKK name, I think in Virginia, endorsed Trump. David Duke is thrown around too a lot but he never actually backed Trump, far as I can tell. Now, this isn't also about bringing up the history of the KKK and its links to the Democrats (nor Hillary's far greater connection to them, which is a topic for another time,) because this just got me thinking...

Lets assume, for a moment, the KKK did want Trump to win. If this was the case, their best course of action would be to endorse Hillary. Because, by default, they have to know that their endorsement is not a boon, like many endorsements are. A public endorsement by the KKK is not a benefit to Trump, it won't make him more likely to be elected. Indeed, it hurts him. There is no benefit to whoever they endorse. Thus, I question whenever I hear these sorts of things, because I assume that the KKK must know this, they can't be unaware of their standing in the public, and thus know full well if they want a candidate to win, they're better off staying quiet or supporting the other one.

Then again, this also assumes folks are thinking this through.

None of this really speaks to any quality about Trump or Hillary, mind you, but rather just the election in general.

 

[n_i_c_u]

The reporter is referring to Clinton administration policies (Bill) in the 90s that directly correlates with mass incarceration. The reporter wasn't wrong... she was just making unapproved statements.

No,not joking. I was just confused. I didn't think the Clintons supported that kind of thing at one time. Sounds weird to hear it and not get the full story because the reporter was cut off.

 

[n_i_c_u]

Then again, this also assumes folks are thinking this through.

If you are KKK you probably aren't thinking things thru.

 

[Mila_]

So, I've had a thought. Recently, I've seen a lot of 'The KKK endorsed Trump!' stuff, and me, being a person who rather likes truth, even uncomfortable ones, wanted to find out of this was true. What I found out was that actually, some group using the KKK name, I think in Virginia, endorsed Trump. David Duke is thrown around too a lot but he never actually backed Trump, far as I can tell. Now, this isn't also about bringing up the history of the KKK and its links to the Democrats (nor Hillary's far greater connection to them, which is a topic for another time,) because this just got me thinking...

Lets assume, for a moment, the KKK did want Trump to win. If this was the case, their best course of action would be to endorse Hillary. Because, by default, they have to know that their endorsement is not a boon, like many endorsements are. A public endorsement by the KKK is not a benefit to Trump, it won't make him more likely to be elected. Indeed, it hurts him. There is no benefit to whoever they endorse. Thus, I question whenever I hear these sorts of things, because I assume that the KKK must know this, they can't be unaware of their standing in the public, and thus know full well if they want a candidate to win, they're better off staying quiet or supporting the other one.

Then again, this also assumes folks are thinking this through.

None of this really speaks to any quality about Trump or Hillary, mind you, but rather just the election in general.

More importantly, I am not going to start smoking if the KKK endorsed quitting cigarettes.

Endorsements are irrelevant, really. It is only for the sheeple. A really bad person can support a good thing for the wrong reasons. Same as a good person can support something that is bad because he was fooled. The nature of a thing does not change depending on who likes it.

 

[SoTxBob]

We also need to take into account the majority of voters do very little of their own research like you or I might and are slaves to the reactionary soundbites fed to them en masse.
That in mind, the KKK support could have been 'engineered' for the very reaction many folks are having thinking they do indeed support him. No way to tell really.

 

[JoleneBrody]

More importantly, I am not going to start smoking if the KKK endorsed quitting cigarettes.

Endorsements are irrelevant, really. It is only for the sheeple. A really bad person can support a good thing for the wrong reasons. Same as a good person can support something that is bad because he was fooled. The nature of a thing does not change depending on who likes it.

It was Donald's initial reaction to the David duke endorsement that was really disturbing to me, for the very reasons you listed above. Each election the kkk grand wizard endorses somebody, usually people just don't care. As a whole I agree with you here.

 

[Behemoth]

If you are KKK you probably aren't thinking things thru.

I know this is meant to be funny, but I actually think this can be dangerous. Assuming that just because they're completely abhorrent, that they're also dumb is very dangerous and leads to underestimating them, and any danger they may pose.

 

[Mila_]

It was Donald's initial reaction to the David duke endorsement that was really disturbing to me, for the very reasons you listed above. Each election the kkk grand wizard endorses somebody, usually people just don't care. As a whole I agree with you here.

I am just adding to the convo in case people don't know what we are talking about..

So this guy called David Duke said he supported Donald Trump. I had never heard his name in my life so it was strange for me to see the media make such a fuss about it... but apparently the guy was the "Grand Wizard of the KKK". So the fact that he supported Trump somehow meant that the KKK was endorsing him.

The reaction @JoleneBrody talks about happened when someone at CNN interviewed Donald Trump and threw the question at him. Like me, Donald Trump had no clue who David Duke was, or at least that is what it looks like from the interview. Some people think that his reaction was calculated and that he didn't want to condemn the KKK, but I personally think he really didn't have a clue who they were talking about, you can judge for yourselves though:



Anyhow, after watching all the drama unfold I decided to look up who this David Duke character was, and if he did, in fact, speak for the KKK. And what I found was that David Duke used to be the leader of a KKK inspired group that he founded himself in his state of Louisiana in the 70s. Not the KKK. He left that group in the 80s, over 30 years ago. The media got him because even though he left that group he apparently is an active member of the forum board Stormfront (also known as Stormfags) which is where the scum of the Earth gather so he still is dirt, but I question why is it news that a forum user supports Trump?

So the KKK did not endorse Trump. One man did. Why is CNN asking Trump to condemn a random citizen, an internet user of absolutely no prominence on live TV? Why would Trump lynch a guy without knowing who he is? And why make it sound like it is the KKK endorsing Trump? Journalism at this point is just shameless propaganda makers shilling for the democratic party 24/7.

 

[n_i_c_u]

Assuming that just because they're completely abhorrent, that they're also dumb is very dangerous and leads to underestimating them, and any danger they may pose.

Maybe I have outdated notions of them. That could be entirely possible. If they are getting younger and smarter, I have yet to see it. It is a scary thought though.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I am just adding to the convo in case people don't know what we are talking about..

So this guy called David Duke said he supported Donald Trump. I had never heard his name in my life so it was strange for me to see the media make such a fuss about it... but apparently the guy was the "Grand Wizard of the KKK". So the fact that he supported Trump somehow meant that the KKK was endorsing him.

The reaction @JoleneBrody talks about happened when someone at CNN interviewed Donald Trump and threw the question at him. Like me, Donald Trump had no clue who David Duke was, or at least that is what it looks like from the interview. Some people think that his reaction was calculated and that he didn't want to condemn the KKK, but I personally think he really didn't have a clue who they were talking about, you can judge for yourselves though:



Anyhow, after watching all the drama unfold I decided to look up who this David Duke character was, and if he did, in fact, speak for the KKK. And what I found was that David Duke used to be the leader of a KKK inspired group that he founded himself in his state of Louisiana in the 70s. Not the KKK. He left that group in the 80s, over 30 years ago. The media got him because even though he left that group he apparently is an active member of the forum board Stormfront (also known as Stormfags) which is where the scum of the Earth gather so he still is dirt, but I question why is it news that a forum user supports Trump?

So the KKK did not endorse Trump. One man did. Why is CNN asking Trump to condemn a random citizen, an internet user of absolutely no prominence on live TV? Why would Trump lynch a guy without knowing who he is? And why make it sound like it is the KKK endorsing Trump? Journalism at this point is just shameless propaganda makers shilling for the democratic party 24/7.

Added information would be that David Duke did try to for president and Donald trump did publicly speak out against him in a television interview.
So either he didn't actually care about it that much when he apparently knew who David Duke was and spoke out against him, enough to forget him... Or he was full of shit and just trying to play stupid.

Either way didn't look to awesome to me.
Edit: I'm on my phone or I would give some links, sorry.

 

[Behemoth]

Ok, my question is... if you are going to hold Trump to that standard, are you equally going to hold Hillary for her support and relationship with Robert C. Byrd?

 

[Ms_Diane]

So the KKK did not endorse Trump. One man did. Why is CNN asking Trump to condemn a random citizen, an internet user of absolutely no prominence on live TV? Why would Trump lynch a guy without knowing who he is? And why make it sound like it is the KKK endorsing Trump? Journalism at this point is just shameless propaganda makers shilling for the democratic party 24/7.

In the 80s and 90s David Duke was widely known as anti-Semitic and associated with the KKK. He has a history of denying the Holocaust and being the founder of the Knights of the KKK. I think if you grew up or were a grown up at the time when David Duke was in the press a lot, you just automatically associate him with racists and the KKK because that is why he was always in the press. So people were like, why isn't Trump just automatically wanting to stay away from this creep? Trump is of the generation who would know exactly who he is and why anyone in politics today would want to keep their distance from Duke. It was a dumb move on Trump's part. He had several chances in that interview to say I don't need or want that endorsement and just move on. He fumbled it.

Also, just to add that I think back when Duke was trying to get into politics there was a lot of suspicion around just what exactly were his ties to the KKK and other white supremacist groups and it always seemed like he was trying to cover it up so he could be accepted by a wider audience. I remember seeing footage of him giving a totally heinous speech at a white supremacist rally when I was a teenager. The guy said stuff that people are not ever gonna forget even 30 years later. If you've never heard of him, I totally see why it doesn't seem like a big deal, but for those who know who he is, I get the visceral reaction to just the mention of his name.

 

[Osmia]

One thing that gets me is how people think that Trump can do any worse, in a worldly sense, than what we saw with the combined effort of "True" politicians of both parties working together, fooling each other, and making a mess of 9-11 and the Iraq war.....

One of the immutable realities of life, besides death and taxes, is that things can always be worse than what you imagine as rock-bottom... I'm totally serious.

 

[Lili_xo]

We also need to take into account the majority of voters do very little of their own research like you or I might and are slaves to the reactionary soundbites fed to them en masse.

Ppl who run the media know that. They can push just about anything on ppl and is scary to watch. I mean the whole invasion of Europe aka desperate young aggressive men does not make sense to me but media pushes it. The whole idea that trump is irrational and is dong publicity running for prescient also does not make sense to me. The whole plenty other things just do nor make sense but media just prints :"is not the droids u lookin for " and u can insert any propaganda here that when u think...it does not really make sense.
The truth takes time but seriously so much written in press is dishonest bullshit or sound bites cut suddenly or info hidden or numbers hidden.
Main stream media that is. They must have a lot of fun posting these articles.

 

[Osmia]

On a positive note, I was pleasantly surprised reading this article about Mike Pence. When he was governor of Indiana, there was a severe, but localized HIV outbreak due to users sharing needles. Local and state health officials quickly concluded that a clean needle exchange program was the only way to stop the outbreak. Pence, who is a conservative Christian, was strongly opposed to the idea at first, but eventually came around and gave the order for it to proceed.

I'm always pleasantly surprised when ideological hard-line conservatives show that they can be pragmatic and do their jobs (i.e., governing). I actually read about such occurrences fairly often, and sometimes it's hard to know which is closer to reality: the popular view of relentless obstruction, or things getting done like they're supposed to.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

One thing that gets me is how people think that Trump can do any worse, in a worldly sense, than what we saw with the combined effort of "True" politicians of both parties working together, fooling each other, and making a mess of 9-11 and the Iraq war. I voted for Obama as opposed to Clinton on that basis (a big part of that was my being against the theory of WMD--which seemed too easy--and getting such anger from so many people I know, including family). Obama wasn't fooled and I wonder why such an experienced, connected, and smart politician like Clinton was fooled?

If Trump isn't just on a publicity tour, and if he really wants to get in there and fix the system, wonder how long it would take for him to get shut down? How long until he does just like our constitutional-lawyer-in-chief, and starts playing ball?

Never really thought Obama was going to be a messiah, but I pulled for him in 2008 hoping he was different. Hoping he would undo some of the madness that went on during the Bush years. Nope. Business as usual.

 

[Osmia]

....Why would Trump lynch a guy without knowing who he is? And why make it sound like it is the KKK endorsing Trump? Journalism at this point is just shameless propaganda makers shilling for the democratic party 24/7.

I can believe that he didn't know. That level of ignorance and absence of curiosity seem characteristic of him. The question is how could Trump not know who David Duke is? Duke was in the news a lot back then. Then again, he didn't know that Russia had annexed Crimea and was engaging in military operations in Ukraine. Those events were in the news a lot. How is it even possible for someone who is supposedly educated and has business dealings around the world, to not know that? How is it possible to support a presidential candidate who doesn't know that?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Go to politifact and look at his False and Pants on fire comments. Trump knows how to talk out his ass, that's for sure...

 

[LuckySmiles]

@Kitsune omg your hillary lesion tongue avatar is terrifying me

 

[LuckySmiles]

I haven't been on the twitter enough to recognize MAGA as standing for Make America Great Again.

I've seen usernames like this in camland in the past week or two and it only hit me recently

 

[HanlonShaves]

Good news, I found who I'm voting for!

As this election continues to devour what remains of your soul, one candidate will emerge to finally end the agony.

Sweet Meteor o' Death for president: because if we're all doomed anyway, why not go big?


This post paid for by the committee for global mass extinction. https://twitter.com/smod2016

 

[JoleneBrody]

Dang it!!!! Why I always gotta read shit from my phone? I'll post the interview with trump from back in the day where he knows who David Duke is very well... Or knew well enough it was a hot topic and he could probably get some tv time out of talking about him... Whichever.

I just gotta go inside... And I have this coffee and the weather is sooooooo nice.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Ok so here is a lot of text transcripts and better breakdown of trumps knowledge of David Duke, it was actually deeper and more personal than I thought apparently... considering David Duke was sighted as a key reason for Trump Pulling out of the reform party in 2000. That's not just a passing comment, that's a life changing association. But this gives kind of a broader picture of why people were shouting "BULLSHIT YOU FUCKING COWARD!"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

 

[Nordling]

Ok, my question is... if you are going to hold Trump to that standard, are you equally going to hold Hillary for her support and relationship with Robert C. Byrd?

Robert Byrd completely apologized for his earlier association with the KKK. People are allowed to atone for their mistakes. David Duke, on the other hand is still an antisemitic, racist piece of human vomit.

 

[HanlonShaves]

@Kitsune omg your hillary lesion tongue avatar is terrifying me

A lesion, is it? I just assumed it was where she put out a cigarette to intimidate her corporate sponsors into increasing their pledges by proving that she is incapable of feeling physical pain.

Ok so here is a lot of text transcripts and better breakdown of trumps knowledge of David Duke, it was actually deeper and more personal than I thought apparently... considering David Duke was sighted as a key reason for Trump Pulling out of the reform party in 2000. That's not just a passing comment, that's a life changing association. But this gives kind of a broader picture of why people were shouting "BULLSHIT YOU FUCKING COWARD!"

Not the first time Trump would be caught in a lie, and certainly won't be the last. He may claim to be a businessman and not a politician, but he's got that much in common with politicians at least. The good news, he's a worse liar than most politicians. The bad news, there are still supporters dumb or desperate enough to turn a blind eye to it anyway.

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God, this whole election is like a bad fucking dream.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Dear Republican Party,

See what happens when you embrace delusional nuttiness for decades? You get a Tea Party. You get a Trump. You get crazy you can't hide behind a nice suit and a smug condescending aura.

Now your Trump chicken is coming home to roost on your far-right coop, and eeeeeeeverbody wants to try and get him in line. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ald-trump-susan-collins-republicans/88443642/

Screw the lot of you. You made your bed. I'm switching my vote back to Trump, and I don't care if it destroys this country, provided the Repubs go down with it. Maybe he'll get in there and use the Patriot Act to start settling some political scores. Maybe purge the moderates from the right. Fukin' RINO's been holding us all back.

I done got religion. I'm ready to make America great again!