Who are you voting for?

[Lili_xo]

Sometimes I wish I knew a little more. These ppl are fascinating in a way. Is like episodes of spy show. And Hillary was so beautiful when a young girl and innocent looking. it ads to a mystery fir me.

 

[Nordling]

Please explain to me how this apology magic works. You get to be the worst person and then apologize on your death bed and get a clean slate? Is a well timed apology a free pass to do anything you want? Or does it only work with the KKK?

Robert Byrd did not apologize on his deathbed, that was Lee Atwood. I really don't care if you forgive a dead man or not. As far as Robert Byrd, I accept his apology not simply because it was stated, but because of his activities AFTER the apology. Whether or not he continued to be a bigoted person after the apology somewhere deep in his heart, who the hell knows? But he ACTED like a human being...and to me, that's the important part...unless you can read his mind.

 

[Nordling]

I think it's funny that people can say how "crooked" someone is based on information derived from a source that won the right to lie in court.

 

[Behemoth]

I think it's funny that people can say how "crooked" someone is based on information derived from a source that won the right to lie in court.

But they HAVE dug up things. For fuck sakes, the DNC email scandal alone IS STUFF. That she lied about the Private Email Server is also a known fact. And that just is the recent stuff. This idea that somehow nothing was found is just blatantly dishonest. Honestly, its almost brilliant. They just pretend the evidence against the Clinton's doesn't exist.

 

[LuckySmiles]

Just to be clear there's a difference between the suspicious deaths and the actual ones. You don't even need the conspiracy theories to realize she's dangerous and incompetent. It's almost not even worth entertaining because it would make anything else I say seem irrelevant.

She is actually responsible for poor decisions in office that lead to needless deaths. There is no disputing that.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Just to be clear there's a difference between the suspicious deaths and the actual ones. You don't even need the conspiracy theories to realize she's dangerous and incompetent. It's almost not even worth entertaining because it would make anything else I say seem irrelevant.

She is actually responsible for poor decisions in office that lead to needless deaths. There is no disputing that.

I'm just curious about the suspicious ones. Not the in the line of duty ones.

 

[Osmia]

But they HAVE dug up things. For fuck sakes, the DNC email scandal alone IS STUFF. That she lied about the Private Email Server is also a known fact. And that just is the recent stuff. This idea that somehow nothing was found is just blatantly dishonest. Honestly, its almost brilliant. They just pretend the evidence against the Clinton's doesn't exist.

There's also the 1996 Bosnia "sniper fire" incident, which I remember well from that time. Reading the linked news article, two things stand out: (1) There was actually no sniper fire when they got off the C-17, so yes, what she said was not true. One could call it a lie. (2) The briefings and advice she was given before landing said that there was a danger of sniper fire and other hostile action. It was probably just CYA talk, but if one has never experienced actual or potential military hostilities, I can imagine that such warnings would be scary, to say the least.

Actually, there's a third point: (3) As one can see from reading the linked article, this incident has been covered by the MSM over and over, from the time it happened up to now. And yet Republicans and Fox News types bring it up over and over, as if it's a big conspiracy that's been swept under the rug.

There just isn't that much substance here. Hillary Clinton does at times seem to have a tendency to embellish the truth, when the truth would have done just fine. It's an unfortunate character trait, one that I think Bill Clinton shares. It's probably the rule rather than the exception among politicians at this level.

A more recent example is her mischaracterizing what the FBI director said about her truthfulness in the classified email issue. If people want to call these statements lies, that's fine. But there are lies and then there are LIES. Lies roll off of Donald Trump's tongue like the water over Niagara Falls, lies about things that matter and things that don't, in such volume that it becomes almost pointless to keep pointing them out. If the first hundred, or five hundred lies aren't going to change people's opinion of Trump, then will anything?

 

[LuckySmiles]

I'm just curious about the suspicious ones. Not the in the line of duty ones.

You could get lost for hours in that stuff it's like movie scripts. The sources are mostly sketch and if any of it is true how could it actually be uncovered. Just look up the Clinton Body Count there's loads of hits online. Videos websites, tons of stuff.
There's new people just in the last few weeks. But who knows if any of it is true.

Also Arkansas when Clinton was governor was a very corrupted government to begin with. The things on the teenage boys killed in Mena always seemed super crazy and plausible to me, but that's not just the Clintons. There's a hidden airport and cocaine trafficking that the boys witnessed. Straight up movie plot kind of thing. But that one's super juicy with ties to Clinton/Bush/CIA...
I mean we know drugs get into the country from places like columbia, afghanistan(heroin), etc.... and we know there has to be some governmental coverup on all various levels for that to even be possible.. they can't just walk themselves into the country....
So yeah Mena stuff & suspicious deaths related to the airport in Arkansas and cocaine trafficking from Latin America. It's a pretty complex one. That's supposedly where a lot of the cocaine came from to be distributed to major cities in the US at the time. Had to come from somewhere. Could be. Why not? Who knows. There's some suggestion of Clinton knowledge and involvement. And people with knowledge that could tie that all together randomly dying.

 

[Lili_xo]

& suspicious deaths related to the airport in Arkansas and cocaine trafficking from Latin America. It's a pretty complex one. That's supposedly where a lot of the cocaine came from to be distributed to major cities in the US at the time. Had to come from somewhere. Could be. Why not? Who knows. There's some suggestion of Clinton knowledge and involvement. And people with knowledge that could tie that all together randomly dying.

Omg! Did not know about this detail! Must do more research...it makes more sense now why she sings the open borders policy all the time! She went as far as hiring illegals for campaign. More ptotected borders more difficulties for the business! And she pushing it as human rights for illegals to flood withem! haha ha give her the toy - USA - she will break it. So Don't give her the toy.

 

[LuckySmiles]

OH! Another juicy one is former Penthouse model Judi Gibbs who Bill Clinton was supposedly a client of. Her house randomly burned down, cause... unknown.

 

[Mila_]

 

[ACFFAN69]

I'm just going to leave this here, but I'm shocked this hasn't gained more public attention. Wikileaks owner Julian Assange practically outright saying that Seth Rich was murdered for the DNC leak. It also fits the current discussion about suspicious murders linked to the Clintons, that you guys are currently talking about.



I read about the story last week and thought it was probably just conspiracy theory, as the police said that there was a string of robberies at that exact location, and his family and girlfriend said that there was no way he was targeted for murder. Granted this could be an ingenious and diabolical way for Assange to lure investigators away from the real leaker, I certainly doubt it.

Article about his murder: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html

A 27-year-old man who worked for the Democratic National Committee was shot and killed as he walked home early Sunday in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Northwest Washington, D.C., police and his family said.

Seth Conrad Rich died after he was shot multiple times on the 2100 block of Flagler Place NW, three blocks east of Howard University Hospital, police said.

"Worst nightmare," Rich's mother, Mary Rich, said by phone.

Mary Rich said police told her family her son may have been the victim of an attempted robbery.

He was talking on the phone with his girlfriend when she heard noise on Rich's end of the line, Mary Rich said. Her son told his girlfriend not to worry about it.

"There had been a struggle. His hands were bruised, his knees are bruised, his face is bruised, and yet he had two shots to his back, and yet they never took anything," she said.

"They took his life for literally no reason. They didn't finish robbing him, they just took his life," Mary Rich continued. "They hurt the community, and they hurt the long-term possibility of what he could have done."

Rich lived in the neighborhood, Acting Capt. Anthony Haythe of the Metropolitan Police Department's homicide branch said at a news conference Monday morning.

Fifth District police officers were patrolling the area about 4:20 a.m. when they heard gunshots, police said.

Neighbor Mike Mueller said he also heard the shots.

"I heard two sharp gunshots, very quickly. I looked at the clock and it was 4:19," he said.

When police arrived on Flagler Place, they found Rich suffering from multiple gunshot wounds.

The Omaha, Nebraska, native was taken to a hospital, where he died.

Police have no witnesses and are searching the area for surveillance video footage, Haythe said. The acting captain said he could not comment on whether the killing was related to recent robberies in the area.

Rich worked for the Democratic National Committee, his father said. He graduated from Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and previously worked on Democrats' campaigns, for the U.S. Census Bureau and as a boating instructor at a summer camp, according to his LinkedIn page.

"I have an enormous interest in public service and working towards making the world a better place," Rich wrote on the page.

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz issued a statement on Monday mourning the death of Rich, who worked as voter expansion data director.

“Our hearts are broken with the loss of one of our DNC family members over the weekend. Seth Rich was a dedicated, selfless public servant who worked tirelessly to protect the most sacred right we share as Americans – the right to vote," she said. "He saw the great potential of our nation and believed that, together, we can make the world a better place."

Hillary Clinton spoke about Rich on Tuesday morning, amid remarks in New Hamphire on gun violence.

"Just this past Sunday, a young man, Seth Rich -- who worked for the Democratic National Committee, to expand voting rights -- was shot and killed in his neighborhood in Washington. He was just 27 years old," she said. "Surely we can agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America."

Police did not release any information on the type of weapon the shooter may have used.

A Look at Crime in Bloomingdale
The homicide rate is down in the MPD's Fifth District, which includes Bloomingdale, Brookland and Trinidad. Seven people have been killed this year, compared with 15 people in the same period last year, police data shows.

But robberies are up. The number of reported robberies in which a gun was used rose about 12 percent, from 113 to 126. The number of robberies in which a gun was not used rose about 8 percent, from 181 to 195.

DC Water will boost security in Bloomingdale, the CEO of DC Water, George Hawkins, said in a letter to residents. The water utility will check and repair lighting and offer free transportation near the First Street Tunnel project, he said.

"No one should have to fear walking down the street in their own neighborhood," Hawkins said in the letter.

Anyone with information on the shooting is asked to call police at 202-727-9099 or send a text message to 50411. A reward of as much as $25,000 is offered.

 

[eyeteach]

I'm just going to leave this here, but I'm shocked this hasn't gained more public attention. Wikileaks owner Julian Assange practically outright saying that Seth Rich was murdered for the DNC leak. It also fits the current discussion about suspicious murders linked to the Clintons, that you guys are currently talking about.



I read about the story last week and thought it was probably just conspiracy theory, as the police said that there was a string of robberies at that exact location, and his family and girlfriend said that there was no way he was targeted for murder. Granted this could be an ingenious and diabolical way for Assange to lure investigators away from the real leaker, I certainly doubt it.

Article about his murder: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html

This was the strange "robbery/murder" as the police described it. Weird thing is that the guy's cell phone, wallet, money, watch, etc were NOT taken. As a matter of fact nothing was found to have been stolen from Seth Rich.

 

[Ms_Diane]

Had a conversation with a store clerk yesterday, she said the same. No vote is going to fix things at this point.


Don't completely agree with Chris Hedges, but this hour I did.

I am finally listening to this talk. Thank you for posting! I had watched a couple of interviews with Chris Hedges recently and am really interested in how he looks at things. I especially like how he connects issues to each other and to history to explain why we are where we are. It's bigger picture kind of stuff which is nice cause the news these days is often so reductive.

I'm just going to leave this here, but I'm shocked this hasn't gained more public attention. Wikileaks owner Julian Assange practically outright saying that Seth Rich was murdered for the DNC leak. It also fits the current discussion about suspicious murders linked to the Clintons, that you guys are currently talking about.



I read about the story last week and thought it was probably just conspiracy theory, as the police said that there was a string of robberies at that exact location, and his family and girlfriend said that there was no way he was targeted for murder. Granted this could be an ingenious and diabolical way for Assange to lure investigators away from the real leaker, I certainly doubt it.

Article about his murder: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html

It is a curious interview. Seems surprising that Assange would talk about one of his sources so maybe he is just trying to make the point of how dangerous it is to be a whistle blower and the interviewer kind of missed the point by jumping on the identity of the source. Seems like Assange was trying to get at how corrupt things are, whether the man who was shot was a source or a suspected source, it's an illustration of the lengths those in power will go to to silence people who speak out.

Side note - Assange has done a couple of good interviews recently, imo, one being at the Green Party's convention. He said choosing between Clinton and Trump is like asking him if he would rather have cholera or gonorrhea lol. But I think he is the first person I've heard who doesn't like either candidate put a positive spin on having either of them in the White House, which is that it will continue to create a demand for oversight and create resistance. Also he made some really interesting comments about Google getting into the White House. Lots of food for thought anyway.

 

[LuckySmiles]

I'm just going to leave this here, but I'm shocked this hasn't gained more public attention.

I'm not!! I saw this but didn't want to bring it up.. It's almost like... I pay more attention to the things people aren't paying attention to anymore. If it isn't national news it seems credible... it's opposite day everyday.

I don't know if any of these things are true, but if they are they're perfect crimes because they're too deep and scary for most Americans to accept as possible.

There's a deliberate media tactic of labeling things as "conspiracy theory" because people will then immediately dismiss information as cuckoo crazy.
When conspiracy really doesn't even mean anything... If I and 3 other people plotted to steal a pack of skittles, we were involved in a conspiracy crime. It's just more than one person involved, and of course certain things would have to have several people involved if they are as nefarious as they seem.

 

[EllieGeorge]

49 people were murdered in Orlando by a muslim, not the first person was beheaded there. 14 people were shot down and killed in San Bernardino by muslims,, again no beheading's there. Five U.S. military personel were killed in Chattanooga by a muslim but he did not behead anyone there. The Ft Hood massacre: 13 people dead and I believe something like 30 or so injured by a muslim. Dead is dead. It doesn't make a difference if it's a beheading, or gun violence, or using pressure cookers as bombs, or hijacking passenger jets and crashing them into buildings. Whether the current administration wants to declare it or not we are at war with radical muslims; they are here in the United States murdering citizens. So yes, downvote this all you want but muslims entering this country should be vetted; the life saved may very well be your own.

Tell that to all the Muslims who served in the Army with me...

 

[ACFFAN69]

I'm not!! I saw this but didn't want to bring it up.. It's almost like... I pay more attention to the things people aren't paying attention to anymore. If it isn't national news it seems credible... it's opposite day everyday.

I don't know if any of these things are true, but if they are they're perfect crimes because they're too deep and scary for most Americans to accept as possible.

There's a deliberate media tactic of labeling things as "conspiracy theory" because people will then immediately dismiss information as cuckoo crazy.
When conspiracy really doesn't even mean anything... If I and 3 other people plotted to steal a pack of skittles, we were involved in a conspiracy crime. It's just more than one person involved, and of course certain things would have to have several people involved if they are as nefarious as they seem.

Agreed, when you think about it, conspiracy theories happen all the time. The Mafia was technically a conspiracy, the terrorists on 9/11 was a conspiracy. These are examples of people getting together and conspiring to do something unlawful/harmful. Conspiracies have historically occurred all the time and often lasting decades with no one knowing. Not too mention all the far out, "conspiracy theories" that are actual facts and proven. Many of which are even more amazing then so-called "conspiracy theories" that people don't believe in.

Iran-Contra affair: The US government traded arms to the terrorist group "CONTRAs" in Nicaragua for drugs. Then funneled many of these arms to Iran as a method of getting through the trade embargo at the time (trading the weapons for hostages Iran held at the time). They then sold the drugs on the streets of the United States through drug dealers like "Freeway" Rick Ross (in LA) as a way to fund other projects under the table.

Operation Gladio: The CIA post-war manipulation of Western Europe's politicians in Italy, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Turkey until the 1980's. This operation went so far as committing terrorist attacks killing hundreds, under a right wing terrorist group (one bomb killed 85, and injured 200), as well as the murder of a top Italian banker.

Project MKultra: The US government forced extreme doses of LSD on targets. One example was mental patients at a hospital, tested against their will. They suffered long term damage from this and many successfully sued for millions. Another example (operation midnight climax) had the CIA dose up people at a brothel without their knowledge (they believed people wouldn't report it if it was a brothel). Another was done on prisoners and inmates, some notable people studied: Ted kaczynski(the unabomber), Whitey Bulger (famous Irish mob boss/killer), and Ken Kesey (author of "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest"). It was only cancelled after a CIA agent "fell out of a window" while high on LSD.

Operation Northwoods: A plan to commit terrorist acts against civilian and military targets in the united states, to use as casus belli against Cuba. It was approved all the way up to the Joints chief of staff, awaiting approval from the secretary of state. Thankfully JFK realized how crazy it was and rejected it.

Operation Paperclip: The operation to get Nazi scientists in the Wests hands before the Russians could get them. Many being guilty of committing atrocious crimes. Their history was wiped clean and they were given a clean slate to work in America (examples: Wernher von Braun, head of NASA, Arthur Rudolph who worked for NASA until 1984 where his war crimes finally came to light, and Hubertus Strughold "the father of space medicine" who was in charge of the prison camp dachua and performed atrocious crimes against humanity).

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Between 1932-1972, was a clinical study by the US Public Health Service to see what would happen with untreated syphilis in 600 African Americans under the guise of "free healthcare".

Sykes Picot: The imperial plans post World War 1 to completely tear up the Middle East and place borders so it would be easy to control, mixing as many Shia's and Sunni's as possible so that the weaker would be reliant on the British and French to rule. This massive conspiracy was only revealed because the Soviets took power and released all of Russia's state secrets in hopes that people would stop fighting WW1 and instead fight against their own governments. At the time, soldiers were under the belief that they were fighting for their countries existence rather then fighting for imperial power and pieces of land.

These are just extreme examples I know offhand, there are probably dozens more proven conspiracy theories that I didn't mention. I know this is off topic with "who you are voting", but I thought it might interest some to hear how crazy recent history actually has proven to be. The murder of a single DNC leaker is nothing compared to these.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

edit: my personal opinion on this one is that it doesn't sound like a "hit". Who knows for sure at this point, but seems a little sloppy to me.

I am finally listening to this talk. Thank you for posting! I had watched a couple of interviews with Chris Hedges recently and am really interested in how he looks at things. I especially like how he connects issues to each other and to history to explain why we are where we are. It's bigger picture kind of stuff which is nice cause the news these days is often so reductive.

I don't agree with him (or anybody) 100%, but Chris Hedges really has me examining how I view things. The Occupy WallStreet in particular. I had a pretty dim view of the movement when it happened.

 

[LuckySmiles]

GAHHH Everytime someone cites snopes another piece of me dies.

Snopes frequently demonstrates clear bias as well.

TRUST NO ONEEE. haha but like... for real.

 

[ACFFAN69]

http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

edit: my personal opinion on this one is that it doesn't sound like a "hit". Who knows for sure at this point, but seems a little sloppy to me.

It seems like it would be a real shitty thing for Assange to imply if it wasn't the case. Regardless if it's true or not, even the implication is pretty big news.

 

[LuckySmiles]

Operation Northwoods: A plan to commit terrorist acts against civilian and military targets in the united states, to use as casus belli against Cuba. It was approved all the way up to the Joints chief of staff, awaiting approval from the secretary of state. Thankfully JFK realized how crazy it was and rejected it.

Seemed like a nice guy that JFK... did you know he was the first and only Roman Catholic president in the US?.. wonder whatever happened to him....

Another "cuckoo crazy" Clinton death link is JFK jr.
Prior to his death in 1999 he had plans to run for Senator of NY... in the same cycle that Hillary won. (He could have easily crushed her)

He was also presumed to run for president... eventually.
His political magazine "George" also pissed off a lot of people.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

GAHHH Everytime someone cites snopes another piece of me dies.

Snopes frequently demonstrates clear bias as well.

TRUST NO ONEEE. haha but like... for real.

Everything has a clear bias. Everybody bullshits. Here is another view...

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2071.htm

Dare I say, seems a little more biased than snopes hehe.

 

[LuckySmiles]

Everything has a clear bias. Everybody bullshits.

Oh I completely agree, but that's why I think people need to start using more common sense and not be so immediately accepting or disregarding of information as fact.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Oh I completely agree, but that's why I think people need to start using more common sense and not be so immediately accepting or disregarding of information as fact.

It seems like it would be a real shitty thing for Assange to imply if it wasn't the case. Regardless if it's true or not, even the implication is pretty big news.

It certainly would be shitty. I think things like Wikileaks, or the Snowden saga, are important. Also think they can be incredibly dangerous.



This is a big knock against Julian's credibility in my book.

 

[LuckySmiles]

just cause he came up, and it's relevant to the topic.. here's JFK's speech about Elections, Criticism of government, and the importance of responsible news and fighting censorship and subversion.

....10 days before he died

 

[LuckySmiles]

Ooops wrong date on this speech. it's from 1961. still the one I meant to post.

 

[Mila_]

MADMAN climbing the Trump Tower in NYC using suction cups! Watch live here:

 

[HanlonShaves]

"The matter I wish to speak you about is my immediate hiring as a free-form window washer. I have the necessary skills and equipment, as my finely crafted suction cups will prove tomorrow.''

To quote Bugs Bunny,

 

[SoTxBob]

Came across this earlier today... Some of you have said you aren't really aware of the history of Hillary for whatever reason. Just view as food for thought for her backstory if you choose to watch it. I remember a lot of this but, I'm not going to go thru every detail and fact check it all just for something to argue about.

 

[Osmia]

Side note - Assange has done a couple of good interviews recently, imo, one being at the Green Party's convention. He said choosing between Clinton and Trump is like asking him if he would rather have cholera or gonorrhea lol. But I think he is the first person I've heard who doesn't like either candidate put a positive spin on having either of them in the White House, which is that it will continue to create a demand for oversight and create resistance. Also he made some really interesting comments about Google getting into the White House. Lots of food for thought anyway.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I wanted to say that of course Assange is Australian, and he has no standing to be expressing his preferences for US President. Of course, he has the right to do so, like anyone does; I just don't know why anyone would care what he has to say on the matter. And it's safe to say that no matter who is elected president, 2016 or 2020 or anytime after, there will still need to be oversight.

I like the idea of Wikileaks, just not its total identification with someone so self-serving and publicity seeking.