What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[VeronicaChaos]

Anytime a model is hypocritical about piracy/copyright/etc. Selling videos with copyrighted songs and then getting mad about pornhub. Having a profile full of drawings somebody else created and then having a DMCA logo on their feed. Complaining about people capping their shows while pirating editing software etc.

Models are kind of the worst at this. It makes me cringe so much.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Anytime a model is hypocritical about piracy/copyright/etc. Selling videos with copyrighted songs and then getting mad about pornhub. Having a profile full of drawings somebody else created and then having a DMCA logo on their feed. Complaining about people capping their shows while pirating editing software etc.

Models are kind of the worst at this. It makes me cringe so much.

I wanted to put songs in my vids as added copyright protection _my_ property won't get auto-flagged, but the big name artist on in the background is much more likely to be a reason someone has to take down my vid
sadly CB has a strict no-music policy, they won't even humor the idea that you might've gone out of your way to find royalty free music or composed it yourself, it would just be too much work for them to bother verifying shit like that I guess.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

related to this topic, I'm just kinda baffled in general by models who either have a 'copyright warning' in their bio, or 'rules' in their bio. ... it's like writing 'no stealing' on your front door. anyone who needs to hear it won't listen.
except, of course, those personal ones, like 'don't call me baby'. But for things like 'don't spam', 'don't be a cunt', 'don't advertise', why even waste a pixel of screen real estate or a moment of anyone's time? ... someone who's going to do it will do it whether or not you wrote that down, and no one will get upset about you silencing/banning them even if you failed to write it down as a warning.

the other day I saw a room that had 'no screenshots' or something on the wall (IIRC the shot was poorly framed so I could only infer the 'no' part of the message ... I thought I took a screencap but can't find it

 

[JoleneBrody]

Charurbate doesn't allow you to have music playing?

 

[SaffronBurke]

Charurbate doesn't allow you to have music playing?

It's allowed in live streams, but not in videos uploaded to the site to sell. A model on the forum had the audio removed from one of her videos because you could hear church bells, and they counted that as music.

 

[EspiKvlt]

Anytime a model is hypocritical about piracy/copyright/etc. Selling videos with copyrighted songs and then getting mad about pornhub. Having a profile full of drawings somebody else created and then having a DMCA logo on their feed. Complaining about people capping their shows while pirating editing software etc.

Models are kind of the worst at this. It makes me cringe so much.

The amounts of fights I have gotten into with other models about this is actually astounding.

And then they'll say, "Everyone pirates stuff! Don't act like you don't!"

And I'm just sitting here puzzled as fuck because no, I don't. I made a Limewire account when I was 12, got screamed at by my step-dad, and have never done anything like that again.

Anyway yeah it's annoying lmao

 

[JoleneBrody]

It's allowed in live streams, but not in videos uploaded to the site to sell. A model on the forum had the audio removed from one of her videos because you could hear church bells, and they counted that as music.

Geeeeeze that's lame! I license all my music so I'd be pretty pissed. I've always heard uploading vids straight to chaturbate cuts the quality way down though, so another reason to avoid it I guess?

 

[MFCGod]

Anytime a model is hypocritical about piracy/copyright/etc. Selling videos with copyrighted songs and then getting mad about pornhub. Having a profile full of drawings somebody else created and then having a DMCA logo on their feed. Complaining about people capping their shows while pirating editing software etc.

Models are kind of the worst at this. It makes me cringe so much.

I agree with this somewhat but I don't think they're equivalents

The nature of cam modelling is a lot more personal than traditional art work or software

If Id made a music album and nude sexual video and was selling both for $15, I know which one id wayyyyyyyy prefer to get pirated

 

[SaffronBurke]

Geeeeeze that's lame! I license all my music so I'd be pretty pissed. I've always heard uploading vids straight to chaturbate cuts the quality way down though, so another reason to avoid it I guess?

Yeah, it majorly reduces the quality, and there's a tiny size limit. Some models have their videos listed for sale as pickets that include a preview and a link to download the video.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I agree with this somewhat but I don't think they're equivalents

The nature of cam modelling is a lot more personal than traditional art work or software

If Id made a music album and nude sexual video and was selling both for $15, I know which one id wayyyyyyyy prefer to get pirated

Don't agree with you at all there.

Music is personal and emotionally raw.

My porn videos are straight up acting.

 

[JoleneBrody]

The amounts of fights I have gotten into with other models about this is actually astounding.

And then they'll say, "Everyone pirates stuff! Don't act like you don't!"

And I'm just sitting here puzzled as fuck because no, I don't. I made a Limewire account when I was 12, got screamed at by my step-dad, and have never done anything like that again.

Anyway yeah it's annoying lmao

Aye, I'm pretty anti pirating all around so the common assumption that just everyone steals these days is annoying. If I can't afford to buy something I wait until I can.

I agree with this somewhat but I don't think they're equivalents

The nature of cam modelling is a lot more personal than traditional art work or software

If Id made a music album and nude sexual video and was selling both for $15, I know which one id wayyyyyyyy prefer to get pirated

As the family member of full time traveling, working musicians I have to disagree. My brother is often sleeping in the back of his station wagon cuddling a kick drum so that he can get to his next paying gig and continue his work. If people don't buy CD's at that gig or tip he may not be able to continue. Every single creation from software to music has someone that cried frustratingly, or didn't sleep for 2 days during it's creation.

 

[MFCGod]

As the family member of full time traveling, working musicians I have to disagree. My brother is often sleeping in the back of his station wagon cuddling a kick drum so that he can get to his next paying gig and continue his work. If people don't buy CD's at that gig or tip he may not be able to Every single creation from software to music has someone that cried frustratingly, or didn't sleep for 2 days during it's creation.

I think paying for things vs piracy is a sliding scale between how much someone likes you and their financial situation

• If people like you and can afford to, they will pay
• If people like your product but can't afford to pay, they may pirate
• If people think your product is "ok" but not that bothered, they will pirate

If someone pirates thinking you're only ok, hopefully they will discover their love for your work and pay in future

I don't believe a very high % of people who pirate would ever have being paying customers otherwise

It may be frustrating but all you can do is have pirated stuff taken down where you can + put out something hopefully people will love and create loyal paying fans.

 

[AudriTwo]

I agree with this somewhat but I don't think they're equivalents

The nature of cam modelling is a lot more personal than traditional art work or software

If Id made a music album and nude sexual video and was selling both for $15, I know which one id wayyyyyyyy prefer to get pirated

You know the time and cost it takes to put together an decent album? Do you know how personal songwriting can be? Do you know the feeling you get when you are making music? Do you know the balls it takes to share your creation?

 

[MFCGod]

You know the time and cost it takes to put together an decent album? Do you know how personal songwriting can be? Do you know the feeling you get when you are making music? Do you know the balls it takes to share your creation?

As an acoustic guitar player, singer, song writer, yes?

If any of you are interested, here's a song I recently recorded

 

[SaffronBurke]

• If people like your product but can't afford to pay, they may pirate

• If people think your product is "ok" but not that bothered, they will

In these situations, more people will use free resources provided by the artist rather than pirate. With places like YouTube, Pandora, Spotify, and SoundCloud, there's really no need to pirate anymore, because there are ways to listen to music that the artist has agreed to let people use. Hell, I've found new artists on Pandora and up and bought their music.

 

[AudriTwo]

I'm not sure if this is a repeat. When models come and visit me when I'm camming and starts talking shop. I have no problem talking shop in private messages or when models stop by to say "hey." Do not come in and announce to my room how slow it has been and act pissy when my tone changes to clearly annoyed. If I'm hustling and trying to get people to tip into my goldshows, don't start flirting with me and thing you have a free pass because you have a vagina too. DONT DO IT. I don't even let regular members flirt openly and talk dirty in freechat without tipping. Another thing I think is annoying is when models start talking to me when I am doing countdowns. I'm not interested in getting to know you right then and there. I have 5 more minutes to get $68. GO AWAY.


I KNOW THAT WAS SUPER THREATENING AND YELLY... But just add me on twitter and we can DM if you wanna get to know me. If I'm not following you, tweet at me! I follow all cammodels.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I think paying for things vs piracy is a sliding scale between how much someone likes you and their financial situation

• If people like you and can afford to, they will pay
• If people like your product but can't afford to pay, they may pirate
• If people think your product is "ok" but not that bothered, they will pirate

If someone pirates thinking you're only ok, hopefully they will discover their love for your work and pay in future

I don't believe a very high % of people who pirate would ever have being paying customers otherwise

It may be frustrating but all you can do is have pirated stuff taken down where you can + put out something hopefully people will love and create loyal paying fans.

While I understand what you are saying I feel like it's unrelated to my point.

 

[Mila_]

I don't believe a very high % of people who pirate would ever have being paying customers otherwise

Many people wont pay for something unless they absolutely have to, but if they have to they pay. Example? I pay 10 bucks a month for Spotify unlimited. If I didn't have Spotify I would certainly spend 100s of dollars in music every month because I would have to buy the albums I want to listen to. But I dont have to buy them, I can listen to the albums as many times as I want whenever I want for almost nothing, so I dont buy albums. If Spotify closed shop I would go back to buying albums the very next day.

The same thing happens to me with camming. When I do a show in public chat only 0.1% of the viewers pitch in for the show. Even members that love me and who are always in my room wont tip because they figure someone else will pick the slack. If I do a group show though, suddenly everyone has 1000 tokens to spend. I would have done the same show in public if I had enough tips, the show would have gone on for longer and nobody would have had to spend so much money to see it if everyone pitch in a little. But guess what? Most people don't spend unless they absolutely have to.

This is why keeping pirated content online is a terrible idea and it will very rarely "convert people" into paying customers because believe it or not people rarely go from getting shit for free to paying. The opposite does happen... a paying customer finds your videos that someone uploaded to a porntube and stops paying. That happens more often than the opposite.

 

[MFCGod]

While I understand what you are saying I feel like it's unrelated to my point.

You said

"If people don't buy CD's at that gig or tip he may not be able to continue."

I was trying to say that, albeit in a round about way, pirating wouldn't make a difference because they wouldn't be people who have paid anyway.

Maybe I picked out just a detail of the more overall point you were trying to make

I don't know, I kind of view anything I create out of my mind as being non personal

If someone judges a song I write, they aren't judging me, they are judging that song, it's totally separate from my idea of self

If I was in a sexual video showing my body, my idea of self is linked to my body so it's personal

I thought most people felt like that, but maybe I am mistaken

 

[EspiKvlt]

You said

If someone judges a song I write, they aren't judging me, they are judging that song, it's totally separate from my idea of self

If I was in a sexual video showing my body, my idea of self is linked to my body so it's personal

I thought most people felt like that, but maybe I am mistaken

Maybe it's cus I have dissociation and feel practically no attachment to my body, especially not as a sense of self, but no, I don't feel that way at all.

My writing, especially my poems, on the other hand, are what little sense of "self" I feel.

 

[SMuser69]

It's allowed in live streams, but not in videos uploaded to the site to sell. A model on the forum had the audio removed from one of her videos because you could hear church bells, and they counted that as music.

What church bell music could even be copyrighted in the first place? My church and university bells played 600+ year old sequences.

 

[SaffronBurke]

What church bell music could even be copyrighted in the first place? My church and university bells played 600+ year old sequences.

They didn't say that it was copyrighted, just music and therefore not allowed. It could be someone mashing a xylophone in the background for all they care, it's still music for their purposes.

 

[heybarkeep]

In these situations, more people will use free resources provided by the artist rather than pirate. With places like YouTube, Pandora, Spotify, and SoundCloud, there's really no need to pirate anymore, because there are ways to listen to music that the artist has agreed to let people use. Hell, I've found new artists on Pandora and up and bought their music.

I have to assume you've never been outside of the U.S. Pirating is the only option in certain places. Music isn't as bad if you aren't looking for something super rare but being a sports fan, the only way to watch many events is to pirate them. Lots of places don't even have decent enough internet to stream properly so they wait days for an album to download so they can burn it to cd. Nice places to visit but glad I don't live there.

 

[Magnolia]

I don't know what y'all are talking about, I just fart into a mic for five minutes and everyone pays $100 for the recording unedited. I don't even have to spend hours and hours writing my "fart jams" and feel no emotional connection to them at all (besides that one wet one, it was life-altering). And no one would ever EVER nevereveveveveveerrrrrr ask me for my music for free or illegally download it. And goodness me I totally haven't ever had to go through a long court battle because someone tried to take my music and resell it as their own for profit, goodness that would have been infuriating to have to go through especially since the whole time I wouldn't have been able to sell any of my recordings or perform live.

Goodness me, that is just a nightmare I'm so thankful I never had to live through. Only people in porn have to deal with those types of things, poor gals. T_T

/s

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

I've always heard uploading vids straight to chaturbate cuts the quality way down though, so another reason to avoid it I guess?

certainly looks that way (they reencode your pics, too).
I've thought about offering vids purely through email, that way I could also tag the tipper's username in a watermark to deter them from uploading it anywhere else.

 

[opphs]

Ok so it's been a minute since I've checked in here and I didn't realize that my post blew up into a heated debate and I'm kind of torn between having my say and just moving on. I'm leaning towards the latter because it seems the forum has and also I really don't want to put words in Darcy's mouth but then again to the people taking issue with the tweet what on earth

 

[fandango]

I only pirate things that aren't available for a reasonable price or in a reasonable time. Some shows for example are shown here weeks or months after they air in the US but the spoilers are everywhere on the internet. So unless I'm willing to stop using the internet for a few months or fly to America just to watch a show I will pirate it.

I also pirate football matches, due to some stupid local licensing agreements only a tiny percentage of games are shown live here and you just have to hope your team is one of the ones chosen to be shown. Mostly you can see your team once or twice a month and sometimes they won't be shown at all that month. So I refuse to pay over £100 a month to subscribe to something where I may not even be able to see the team I support, while every game is available live in every other country. If it was a more reasonable price I would pay it or if all my teams games where shown I would pay it but I'm not paying it in the lottery hope that my team might get shown sometime that month.

I also think there is a sliding scale. I wouldn't pirate a struggling musicians album same as I don't pirate stuff from camgirls because as a percentage of their total income each individual sale is bigger than one person pirating from a billion dollar corporation.

 

[JoleneBrody]

You said

"If people don't buy CD's at that gig or tip he may not be able to continue."

I was trying to say that, albeit in a round about way, pirating wouldn't make a difference because they wouldn't be people who have paid anyway.

Maybe I picked out just a detail of the more overall point you were trying to make

I don't know, I kind of view anything I create out of my mind as being non personal

If someone judges a song I write, they aren't judging me, they are judging that song, it's totally separate from my idea of self

If I was in a sexual video showing my body, my idea of self is linked to my body so it's personal

I thought most people felt like that, but maybe I am mistaken

I guess I disagree because the music industry was thriving before pirating when it came to record sales, and pirating has greatly impacted that. But I was not making an argument for or against pirating specifically as much as for the respect of the unseen hard work that goes into so much of the entertainment we take for granted.

I do not personally feel my booty shaking is even remotely more personal and deserving of praise and support than a musician who has truly dedicated his life, spoonin snare drums, to developing his art as career. I don't know if my view is different because I'm so close to career travelling musicians vs. hobby musicians and comparing the two is probably like comparing girls dancing at a rave to cam girls. Knowing what goes into creating movies, music, software etc... has kept me away from pirating.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Ok so it's been a minute since I've checked in here and I didn't realize that my post blew up into a heated debate and I'm kind of torn between having my say and just moving on. I'm leaning towards the latter because it seems the forum has and also I really don't want to put words in Darcy's mouth but then again to the people taking issue with the tweet what on earth

I don't think it did and I'm willing to bet most are not sure what you're referring to.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I don't think it did and I'm willing to bet most are not sure what you're referring to.

too late to edit.
I thought you were referring your last post about altporn.net... nm.