Using masks on videos, and are clips a good idea?

[humblejack]

Hey :hello2:

brief introduction as this is my first post. I'm a 26yo American dude living in South America. I've been camming for almost a year now but haven't made much headroom there, it's much more difficult to earn decent money as a male model.

Having to pretend I'm gay is not really the best situation for me either... :? So, for a while I've had the idea of doing but never found a model (i.e. a stranger) that trusted me enough to do it. Camming and clips are a relatively obscure subject matter where I live, even though there are a few underground camming studios, the average woman is more conservative and suspicious towards this kind of thing.

I posted an ad online and received only three responses. After almost 9 months, one of the women who contacted me decided on it and we're set to film next week. I'll have about 120 minutes worth of material from the first filming session and if all goes well we would do another one in three weeks. I'm thinking I'll split 120 mins into 30 4-min videos in two or three different stores, selling the full 60 or 120 minute clips at a higher price. So my questions are...

Question #1: We are both using masks because we don't want to be recognized, would this affect our sales too bad? Could we open a mask fetish store?

I know most customers want to - at least - see the woman's eyes, and the mask she's wearing does reveal the eyes and bottom half of her face. We're doing POV-style videos, so my face won't be as important even though I will be wearing a mask.

Browsing through the categories I found just north of 2,000 videos in the mask fetish category.

A small side question is, how important is body shape in vids, and how does that work to one's advantage? To explain this a bit further, let me give you a short description of her. 32 years old, slim, 5'10 with measurements close to 40-27-45. She had a lot of surgery to get to those measurements, and I'm aware this also falls into several niches. My logic is that I'll choose categories that are more focused on body parts, even though she'll be partly showing her face.

Question #2: I've spoken to several friends and redditors and the general answer I get is "selling porn is a waste of time". Is this really true?

I've read posts and stories of people who upload a few clips every now and then and earn +$100 in a couple of days. Yet, I find other stories of people who just can't earn more than a couple of hundred bucks uploading several clips per week. From what I gather, we need to upload at least a 3 or 4 min clip per day or every two days if I want to earn more than $800 a month (minus the $45 international fee :angry4: why doesn't c4s accept payoneer?!)

sorry for the long post, I'll be making further (and shorter) appearances in the forum from now on :-D

 

[BiancaBaker]

Hey! So the mask thing is 100 percent affecting your income - not necc on your end but on her end. I think for any kind of clip $$ she will need to show her face. I currently shoot with a sub who wears a mask and I do very well with my FemDom Store (my femdom link is in my signature so u can check out what we shoot). As long as you are filming Femdom I see NO issue with you wearing a mask. Even with femdom she will need to show her face..

I will say for sex stuff the mask will prob be an issue because people want to see what you look like. If you shoot POV then you wont have to worry about your face but she will need to show her face, I don't know many people who wanna watch a girl with a mask on suck on cock?.. Also Sex stuff doesn't really sell on C4S, this is the second issue. For some people I am sure it does but FOR majority of us its basically fetish stuff that you will need to show your face. Coughing/sneezing/farting/burping/taboo/femdom/nose pinching/mouth fetish- Are all very popular categories and what sells on a site like C4S. My boyfriend currently is running his own C4S and in his first month has made WAY over $800. This is only 3 days of filming for the whole month.... BUT we dont wear masks, we make taboo role play and he does Solo stuff. Here is his link if you want to check out his store to see what he does: http://clips4sale.com/89274.

Also I have done a few mask fetish videos and they dont sell.

 

[Rose]

The only type of mask videos that actually sell are gas mask stuff, and you have to be semi established in that category for sales.

 

[humblejack]

Here's the thing though, this is her (picture posted with her consent):

I'm pretty sure her body type does fall into several fetish categories. I can think fake butts for one, as Kim K, Nicki Minaj and other artists are popularizing the body type. MILF is another category, as well as Amazon - like I said, she's 5'10.

As to blowjobs, the mask is more like a mardi gras type of mask, only the eye and part of the nose are covered by it. I'm aware this will drive sales down but there is just no other way of getting her to do clips without a mask.

if c4s won't work, what other sites do you recommend for couples? We can't do camming very often, I currently use Streamate and would use the same with a couples account. I have an account on xtube and ELM, but that's about it. All the other sites I've found are not as trustworthy.

I was thinking of opening my own site - in addition to c4s and other sites - and selling the content through 2checkout, market it through Tumblr, Twitter, and other adult networks.

Any suggestions? ray: Thanks for the replies!

 

[LailaBaise]

Have you met this woman yet? That photo looks shopped to me.

 

[mynameisbob84]

It's not necessarily doomed to failure, but you're making an already difficult task (convincing people to actually pay for their porn) and making it ten times harder by taking away one of the biggest selling points (a pretty face).

I think it's probably quite hard to have your cake and eat it in situations like this. You want to make money making porn, but you want to do it without ever showing your face. Which is not unreasonable, but perhaps unrealistic given the number of attractive people who are making vast quantities of adult material and are willing to show their face. You might find a niche market, but it will be just that - a niche, and probably a small one at that :twocents-02cents:

 

[humblejack]

It's not necessarily doomed to failure, but you're making an already difficult task (convincing people to actually pay for their porn) and making it ten times harder by taking away one of the biggest selling points (a pretty face).

I think it's probably quite hard to have your cake and eat it in situations like this. You want to make money making porn, but you want to do it without ever showing your face. Which is not unreasonable, but perhaps unrealistic given the number of attractive people who are making vast quantities of adult material and are willing to show their face. You might find a niche market, but it will be just that - a niche, and probably a small one at that :twocents-02cents:

True, I don't plan on making a lot of money but I do plan on updating at least once every two days. I may not earn $XXXX but maybe $XXX per month, which is okay for both of us at the moment.

Have you met this woman yet? That photo looks shopped to me.

The image is a little bit shopped but yeah, I did meet her in person a couple of weeks ago. We had a few drinks and discussed the business, she's not very acquainted with the online world. She used to be an escort and is now a single working mom, and she's very excited about making whatever money with clips, even if it's just a few hundred bucks a month.

She's had a lot of surgical enhancements done to her butt, boobs, she's had lipo and does a lot of exercise. If there is anything going for us is the fact that she has that very specific body shape (I've only seen girls mildly resembling her on big networks like Gangbros), and the fact that I'm very well endowed. So I would market this in the BJ, big penis, big butt, and amazon tags, and I'm still thinking of a few more to add. Skinny boy meets amazon, or huge cock meets huge ass, or "you wouldn't believe the body on this latin MILF". Something along those lines.

We'll do very cheap videos, at least 3.99 and 14.99 for 30-min clips. Updating every two days, I'm pretty sure we can get a couple hundred downloads in the bag every month. I'm only speaking after reading several threads on this and other forums, for people who do show their face and people who use masks.


Any other sites, anyone?

 

[Rose]

Ok, I think you're SERIOUSLY overestimating how much you can make a month off of non-fetish clips. They do NOT sell well unless she's an already well established camgirl.

Just from my numbers and experience: I have a blowjob/sex store and it doesn't make jack shit. When I was updating it often and promoting the heck out of it the most it ever made was $200 in a month and that's with my face and body showing and having been in the business for 4 years with a fairly large twitter following.

Unless you've got amazing equipment, a good fanbase of PAYING customers, and you're pulling all the stops (showing face, promo, fetish, etc), you're probably going to be lucky to make closer to $25-75 a month. Take a look at Mark's Head Bobbers and Hand Jobbers on Clips4Sale to get a better idea of what you would need to do to make money off of mainstream porn. :thumbleft:

 

[Ava Nicole]

You would probably make more money using those minutes you have to together to cam on Chaturbate. (And by more more money, I mean, going off of Rose's guess of $25-75/month for clips, which is probably pretty accurate).

There are a few couples who obscure their faces on CB, and are really creative with it. They seem to be doing pretty well. You would need to be at least semi-consistent though, to continue to make money but that is true for anything and anyone in the online porn industry.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Rose]

Live camming makes significantly more than videos do. I live cammed with a male partner for about 6 months consistently and we made over double what I ever made camming solo. :twocents-02cents:

 

[humblejack]

Thanks for the input, I'll see what I can do about camming. Thing is, she can't do much more than a couple of hours per week, so we wouldn't be able to gather a consistent following.

How is xtube with the webcams btw?

 

[BiancaBaker]

Thanks for the input, I'll see what I can do about camming. Thing is, she can't do much more than a couple of hours per week, so we wouldn't be able to gather a consistent following.

How is xtube with the webcams btw?

I would not cam for xtube... I would sign directly with Streammate or Chaturbate. Those are your best options. The mask is going to cause issues on both sites though. I am sure you would be able to get away with it on CB more than SM but I still think its a niche and you may have 0 success with the masks. We all know that our identity may get out as cam models and if thats something your not willing to risk than I would not cam or make content PERIOD.

Regardless of the mask.. What about tattoos or birth marks? any recognizing marks on either of your bodies COULD identify you. If she doesnt have the hours to put in than it wont work. Camming is a consistent thing and if you cant put in the hours you cant expect to make XXX to XXXX a month.

 

[Sevrin]

If adult performers could make a decent living without showing their faces, wouldn't everyone be doing it?

 

[Ava Nicole]

If adult performers could make a decent living without showing their faces, wouldn't everyone be doing it?

For real. It is a little insulting for OP to come on a forum full of cam models and expect that he will be making just as much as many of us, while obscuring one of the most important aspects of any type of porn/camming. :roll:

 

[humblejack]

I don't expect to make as much as you. While camming I usually make $100-200 a week doing 2 hours daily. It's clearly not close to what you guys are earning, but I figure I'll make just about the same with the videos. This is not some sort of arrogant thing here as it seems you have perceived, I'm just trying to make clips and see how much I can make. If I don't make that much I'll consider other options, but for now it's all I can do.

Where I live in South America though, 400 dollars translates into much more value. So really even $100-200 a month is not that bad.

I am actually going through with this, I'm just weighing in the positives and negatives. Clearly, not showing our face is a negative but there's no way around that either. We'll work with what we have, update constantly and see if we can gather a strong following. In other threads people gave some advice with things like wearing funny masks or using full-blown suits or disguises, which might be an option given the circumstances.

I'll open a couples account on streamate and do shows, that would be extra to the clips.

 

[Rose]

What you could do is go the bondage route and film strictly fetish based videos where she would be blindfolded or wearing a BDSM style mask. That would probably work better than the mask you described.

 

[humblejack]

What you could do is go the bondage route and film strictly fetish based videos where she would be blindfolded or wearing a BDSM style mask. That would probably work better than the mask you described.

great suggestion, I'll see where I can find one, thanks! One of the masks is a mardi gras style mask, the other one (the one I'm wearing) is a full Venetian mask.


also, what could be of multiple girls in one vid? The model I'm shooting with mentioned she has two or three friends who would be down to shooting vids with a mask on, I hear there aren't many vids of 4-girl blowjobs and foursomes.

 

[caireen]

I know that everyone is saying that vanilla sex videos don't sell on C4S, and I generally agree, but I do agree with you that you have a bit of a niche. Her body type is superrrr unique and also an ass like that is bound to get some attention. There are ass worship, ass fetish, ass shaking, ass smacking, asscheek fucking categories on C4S (I don't know how much traffic/sales each gets, but they are there. Ass worship might be a good bet). For some of these you could easily make videos showing no face at all. Also, ass smothering- she could sit on your face and smother you with her butt. You probably don't even need to wear a mask, her ass can cover your face :lol:

Manyvids is another site that might work. Tends to cater to the more vanilla crowd if it's straight POV sex vids.

The mask will definitely be a deterrent but I bet you guys can get creative. Videos with story lines always sell better for me (and I'm sure others), btw. I'm sure there are tons of scenarios that you could come up with to cover her face.

Good luck!