Trayvon Martin

[Bocefish]

More speculation...

If you make the vid full size and freeze it at the 1.07 minute mark, there is a gash of some sort.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/polic ... ad-injury/

If I was in Trayvon's situation and somebody was following me, I would not continue talking to my out of state gf. I would've said I have to go, someone may be following me and either A) called my father or B)called 911. I would NOT have ran unless I was close enough to home to win a race. It's all speculation at this point anyhow.

 

[Harvrath]

Zimmerman, in my scenario, didn't actually do anything unlawful. There is no law about following people in this case. He was Neighborhood Watch, it comes with the territory. People who work in retail do it all the time, they see suspicious people and follow to catch them in the act of shop-lifting.

If Zimmerman was infact walking away and Trayvon assaulted him from behind, it is a crime. Someone walking a way from you, is not a threat. Any use of force against someone retreating is unjustified. The law is crystal clear on this. There have been numerous cases of people shooting assailants who are retreating, and facing criminal charges.

If I saw a strange man following me, my first thought isn't "oh maybe that's just the local neighborhood watch guy". I'd immediately think he was a psycho who wants to abduct or hurt me in some way and I'm sure most people would especially kids and teens. I'd be fearing for my life and would do anything possible to get away or defend myself from the dude.

But Zimmerman was walking away. Any use of force against someone retreating from you is unlawful and gives justification of force to the other person. Hence, if Trayvon did assault Zimmerman while he was walking away, Zimmerman acted in self-defense and the shooting is justified.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

As I said two maybe three pages ago-

1. The guy with the gun is the real victim here? The fuck?

2. Trayvon could have defended himself better if only he had a gun

3. Trayvon defended himself when he realized the dude that has been following him all along has a motherfucking gun.

This zimmerman fuck wants to play cop? join the force. If he could pass the psych evaluation.

 

[Jupiter551]

This zimmerman fuck wants to play cop? join the force. If he could pass the psych evaluation.

Seen in a few articles he applied several times and was always rejected

 

[mynameisbob84]

He was across the street tho, Not even at my building. If it were my car, I would of chased him down and shot him if he took an ounce of a step toward me.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here - in this scenario, you see someone across the street looking "suspicious" and you "chase them down"; if they then walk towards you, you feel jusitified shooting them?

As for the whole Trayvon thing - it's tragic and fucked up but sadly not at all surprising. We live in a world where black youths are portrayed by the media as thieves and drug dealers who carry guns and aren't afraid to use them. We also live in a world where guns are easily obtainable(at least in America). It's not a good combination.
From Zimmerman's point of view, he was protecting his neighbourhood from what he percieved to be a threat (he did so in moronic fashion, but I digress). From Trayvon's point of view, he was being followed by someone he didn't know and in turn, felt threatened. When two people feel threatened by one another, it's only natural they'll both wish to defend themselves. Sadly, one of them had a gun and one of them wound up dead.
The whole thing is fucked but tragically, this is the world we live in.

 

[Harvrath]

As I said two maybe three pages ago-

1. The guy with the gun is the real victim here? The fuck?

2. Trayvon could have defended himself better if only he had a gun

3. Trayvon defended himself when he realized the dude that has been following him all along has a motherfucking gun.

This zimmerman fuck wants to play cop? join the force. If he could pass the psych evaluation.

Florida is Concealed Carry Only. So, Trayvon decides to jump Zimmerman and Zimmerman fearing rightfully for his life and in sudden combat, produces his gun and fires a shot at near point-blank range into Trayvon's chest.

Coincidentally, according to some reports, Zimmerman's Kel-Tec FF-9 failed to eject the spent brass, implying a malfunction of gun/ammo or something physically was preventing the handgun from proper operation such as being jammed back against Zimmerman's chest or Trayvon was fighting for control of the weapon when it went off, both of which support a self-defense shooting.

 

[Jupiter551]

As I said two maybe three pages ago-

1. The guy with the gun is the real victim here? The fuck?

2. Trayvon could have defended himself better if only he had a gun

3. Trayvon defended himself when he realized the dude that has been following him all along has a motherfucking gun.

This zimmerman fuck wants to play cop? join the force. If he could pass the psych evaluation.

Florida is Concealed Carry Only. So, Trayvon decides to jump Zimmerman and Zimmerman fearing rightfully for his life and in sudden combat, produces his gun and fires a shot at near point-blank range into Trayvon's chest.

Coincidentally, according to some reports, Zimmerman's Kel-Tec FF-9 failed to eject the spent brass, implying a malfunction of gun/ammo or something physically was preventing the handgun from proper operation such as being jammed back against Zimmerman's chest or Trayvon was fighting for control of the weapon when it went off, both of which support a self-defense shooting.

But for the most part you're just inventing possible theories that have no actual evidence, and end up smearing the dead guy.

Lots of things COULD have happened - hell, aliens could have stopped time, intervened, whacked zimmerman on the back of the head, gave him a terribly painful grass-stain on his shirt, shot Trayvon, reinserted the spent cartridge, then unfroze time again. It's possible, but there's no evidence to suggest it.

Considering the dead guy was armed only with candy and a drink, and the live guy was armed with a 9mm, I'd say chances are Zimmerman massively overreacted. That the former lead investigator wanted to charge him the SAME NIGHT as the shooting likewise suggests it wasn't self-defense.

There's such a thing as excessive force, and this just reeks of it.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

This Zimmerman guy just sounds like the kind of person that would start a fire just so he could put it out and expect to be treated like a hero. He easily could have instigated the physicality provoking Trayvon to give him just cause to shoot him.

 

[Anonymous]

That's so cute!

 

[Bocefish]

Seeing as how almost everybody wants to slam Zimmerman's character... I have some questions regarding Trayvon's.

What was he doing with a backpack that contained wedding bands, diamond earings and what was described as a break-in tool?
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Tray ... 03305.html

How does an unemployed 16 year old afford tattoos and several gold capped teeth with the price of gold today? He just recently turned 17 according to reports.

What about his verified Twitter account @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA?

Supposedly, Tray's brother asks via Tweet if he took a swing at a bus driver and there's other Tweets about Trayvon being a "Plant" dealer...

None of this really matters regarding the facts of what happened that tragic night Trayvon lost his life, but it does shed some more light on the possibility that a 6'3" testosterone fueled teenager could have initiated the physical altercation.

This one of the best articles I've read so far about rushing to judgement...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/30/opinion/b ... index.html

 

[Chamaeleon]

:twocents-02cents: speculation for the sake of discussion can be fun (I can't think of a better word than fun, though I hate to use it in a tragic situation.) But speculation, rumor and innuendo still pale in light of what some of Trayvon's supporters are both claiming and demanding.

A bounty is deplorable. But what I find also deplorable is not if one man possibly had some racist tendencies or more, (no facts are entered into evidence yet), but the race baiting from so many liberals, Democrats and blacks. I find it to be an embarrassment and it doesn't add to investigating the truth.

 

[BullFrogBlues]

My biggest disappointment in this whole matter is how so very many people do not revere another person’s life. Death is final.

 

[Harvrath]

As I said two maybe three pages ago-

1. The guy with the gun is the real victim here? The fuck?

2. Trayvon could have defended himself better if only he had a gun

3. Trayvon defended himself when he realized the dude that has been following him all along has a motherfucking gun.

This zimmerman fuck wants to play cop? join the force. If he could pass the psych evaluation.

Florida is Concealed Carry Only. So, Trayvon decides to jump Zimmerman and Zimmerman fearing rightfully for his life and in sudden combat, produces his gun and fires a shot at near point-blank range into Trayvon's chest.

Coincidentally, according to some reports, Zimmerman's Kel-Tec FF-9 failed to eject the spent brass, implying a malfunction of gun/ammo or something physically was preventing the handgun from proper operation such as being jammed back against Zimmerman's chest or Trayvon was fighting for control of the weapon when it went off, both of which support a self-defense shooting.

But for the most part you're just inventing possible theories that have no actual evidence, and end up smearing the dead guy.

Lots of things COULD have happened - hell, aliens could have stopped time, intervened, whacked zimmerman on the back of the head, gave him a terribly painful grass-stain on his shirt, shot Trayvon, reinserted the spent cartridge, then unfroze time again. It's possible, but there's no evidence to suggest it.

Considering the dead guy was armed only with candy and a drink, and the live guy was armed with a 9mm, I'd say chances are Zimmerman massively overreacted. That the former lead investigator wanted to charge him the SAME NIGHT as the shooting likewise suggests it wasn't self-defense.

There's such a thing as excessive force, and this just reeks of it.

Well, the Dead Guy got shot by a permit holder who took a class for his permit, who was studying Criminal Justice. Pardon me if I don't buy the theory that Zimmerman was some form of hot-headed vigilante out of The Wild West that some of you think he is and simply walked upto Trayvon and put a bullet in Trayvon's chest.

As for excessive force. If Zimmerman's account is accurate, it wasn't excessive.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

"The Miami Herald reported that in the gated community in which Zimmerman patrolled, there were eight burglaries, nine thefts and one shooting in the past year"

Sounds like a real shitty neighborhood watch captain guard or whatever his made up rank was.

 

[Jupiter551]

Seeing as how almost everybody wants to slam Zimmerman's character... I have some questions regarding Trayvon's.

What was he doing with a backpack that contained wedding bands, diamond earings and what was described as a break-in tool?
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Tray ... 03305.html

That was the previous year, and the "break-in tool" was a screwdriver. I've got two break-in tools sitting next to me I guess, I use them to break into things held together with screws.

a screwdriver that they felt could be used as a burglary tool.

Since when is jewellery that police investigated (at the behest of his school) and found to be not stolen so far as they could tell, even worth mentioning?

Miami-Dade Police confirmed that it had been asked by school police to help identify the property taken from Martin’s backpack. It notified school police that the jewelry did not match any that had been reported stolen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...o-burglaries/2012/03/27/gIQAbZZueS_story.html

How does an unemployed 16 year old afford tattoos and several gold capped teeth with the price of gold today? He just recently turned 17 according to reports.

What about his verified Twitter account @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA?

Supposedly, Tray's brother asks via Tweet if he took a swing at a bus driver and there's other Tweets about Trayvon being a "Plant" dealer...

It's already been alleged this isn't even the same kid, the one being pictured trying to look gangsta is from georgia, even his school is listed as being in Savannah, Georgia:

 

[Nordling]

And as far as "verified tweets," that's so much bologna too. The "gangsta-looking" Trayvon pics, and alleged tweets came from a white supremacist on 4Chan and other sites who goes by the name "KlanKlanon." Is that a reliable source for ANYTHING?

 

[Jupiter551]

Interestingly, articles that allege Tray was a drug dealer (pot) cite the facebook url on the right, and use pictures from the left. I guess they just decided to use the worst from both. His real facebook has since been deleted or hidden. http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer

and the link provided https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2613528501488&id=1353307542 which no longer works, but see the last part? 1353307542.


All of this is just character assassination in the hope that if they show Trayvon was a normal 17 year old kid rather than a choir boy, we'll overlook the fact that Zimmerman shot to death an unarmed minor.

 

[Bocefish]

The images I posted are verified to be Trayvon, so is his Twitter ACCT. Those are Facts. If you think they aren't facts, prove them to be wrong. There is a difference between a normal everyday screwdriver and and a heavy duty flathead that is often used as a pry bar/break-in tool. The jewelry was pertinent IMO because he says he was holding it for someone, ya right. Of course, he wouldn't name who it was he was holding it for. Nah, that's not suspicious at all. That happened in Oct. of 2011, 5 months prior to the incident with Zimmerman.

 

[Shaun__]

There is a difference between a normal everyday screwdriver and and a heavy duty flathead that is often used as a pry bar/break-in tool.

A hope the police never look in my toolbox.

 

[Nordling]

The images I posted are verified to be Trayvon, so is his Twitter ACCT. Those are Facts. If you think they aren't facts, prove them to be wrong. There is a difference between a normal everyday screwdriver and and a heavy duty flathead that is often used as a pry bar/break-in tool. The jewelry was pertinent IMO because he says he was holding it for someone, ya right. Of course, he wouldn't name who it was he was holding it for. Nah, that's not suspicious at all. That happened in Oct. of 2011, 5 months prior to the incident with Zimmerman.

I don't have to prove a negative. You've given no source for this absolute verification you're claiming. The "verified" Twitter account was hacked by someone including, apparently, "Klanklanon." They even changed the passwords to racist slurs. Do you really trust this?

 

[Bocefish]

There is a difference between a normal everyday screwdriver and and a heavy duty flathead that is often used as a pry bar/break-in tool.

A hope the police never look in my toolbox.

And I hope you don't carry your toolbox to school with diamond earings, wedding bands, and watches in it. :lol:

 

[Bocefish]

This was my source about Twitter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this ... r-account/

 

[Nordling]

This was my source about Twitter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this ... r-account/

Sorry, but NOTHING coming out of Glenn Beck or any of his publications represents, to me, a "verification" of anything, Beck, by any standard, is a nutball, and a dangerous one. He even proved to be too nutty for Faux Noos.

 

[Jupiter551]

This was my source about Twitter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this ... r-account/

I dunno, that pic seems to belong to the same facebook account shown not to be the Trayvon who was shot - check his facebook, he's from Georgia. The "real" trayvon was from florida, and went to school in florida.

It also doesn't even look alike to me, cheeks, facial structure look different. Is it really so impossible they got the wrong guy's twitter and seized on it for headlines? There are certainly plenty of people in this case willing to fabricate a few tweets or a facebook to advance an agenda.

Also you state that it's a "FACT" but the source you use states:

It should be noted that neither Twitter nor the Martin family has confirmed that these tweets belong to Trayvon Martin. It is also possible that the Tweets have been photoshopped or otherwise tampered with, seeing as there are some obvious stylistic differences that exist, even among some of the Tweets on the Caller’s site (for instance, some are spelled more accurately than others). However, if genuine, these Tweets may give us more insight into Martin’s enigmatic life and character.

 

[Bocefish]

This was my source about Twitter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this ... r-account/

Sorry, but NOTHING coming out of Glenn Beck or any of his publications represents, to me, a "verification" of anything, Beck, by any standard, is a nutball, and a dangerous one. He even proved to be too nutty for Faux Noos.

The author of the article is Mytheos Holt.

Mytheos Holt is an Assistant Editor at the Blaze. He has held
positions at the Washington Times, National Review Online and the
Competitive Enterprise Institute. He also served as a speechwriter for
U.S. Senator John Barrasso (R-WY). A 2010 graduate of Wesleyan
University, Mytheos hails originally from Big Sur, CA.

I guess he's a nutball too.

 

[Bocefish]

I dunno, that pic seems to belong to the same facebook account shown not to be the Trayvon who was shot - check his facebook, he's from Georgia. The "real" trayvon was from florida, and went to school in florida.

It also doesn't even look alike to me, cheeks, facial structure look different. Is it really so impossible they got the wrong guy's twitter and seized on it for headlines? There are certainly plenty of people in this case willing to fabricate a few tweets or a facebook to advance an agenda.

Also you state that it's a "FACT" but the source you use states:

It should be noted that neither Twitter nor the Martin family has confirmed that these tweets belong to Trayvon Martin. It is also possible that the Tweets have been photoshopped or otherwise tampered with, seeing as there are some obvious stylistic differences that exist, even among some of the Tweets on the Caller’s site (for instance, some are spelled more accurately than others). However, if genuine, these Tweets may give us more insight into Martin’s enigmatic life and character.

That's basically a CYA. Several sites have verified the Twitter account was Trayvon's. I know nothing about Facebook or Myspace. If it's just one huge conspiracy that goes back almost a year, it was very well done.

Have you seen any recent images of Trayvon smiling, showing his teeth with his parents or friends?

 

[Nordling]

This was my source about Twitter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this ... r-account/

Sorry, but NOTHING coming out of Glenn Beck or any of his publications represents, to me, a "verification" of anything, Beck, by any standard, is a nutball, and a dangerous one. He even proved to be too nutty for Faux Noos.

The author of the article is Mytheos Holt.

Mytheos Holt is an Assistant Editor at the Blaze. He has held
positions at the Washington Times, National Review Online and the
Competitive Enterprise Institute. He also served as a speechwriter for
U.S. Senator John Barrasso (R-WY). A 2010 graduate of Wesleyan
University, Mytheos hails originally from Big Sur, CA.

I guess he's a nutball too.

Yes. Why do you ask?

 

[Bocefish]

This was my source about Twitter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-this ... r-account/

Sorry, but NOTHING coming out of Glenn Beck or any of his publications represents, to me, a "verification" of anything, Beck, by any standard, is a nutball, and a dangerous one. He even proved to be too nutty for Faux Noos.

The author of the article is Mytheos Holt.

Mytheos Holt is an Assistant Editor at the Blaze. He has held
positions at the Washington Times, National Review Online and the
Competitive Enterprise Institute. He also served as a speechwriter for
U.S. Senator John Barrasso (R-WY). A 2010 graduate of Wesleyan
University, Mytheos hails originally from Big Sur, CA.

I guess he's a nutball too.

Yes. Why do you ask?

Just wanted to verify your open-mindedness on the matter, lol

 

[Nordling]

It's not about open-mindedness. People, when they make decisions about where they work, where they publish, where they write, need to take personal responsibility. If Charles Manson started an online magazine, would you give veracity to ANYONE who contributed? Not saying Beck is anywhere close to Manson but I'm using hyperbole to make a point.

Whether we like it or not, folks will judge YOU by whom you keep company with.

 

[Bocefish]

It's not about open-mindedness. People, when they make decisions about where they work, where they publish, where they write, need to take personal responsibility. If Charles Manson started an online magazine, would you give veracity to ANYONE who contributed? Not saying Beck is anywhere close to Manson but I'm using hyperbole to make a point.

Whether we like it or not, folks will judge YOU by whom you keep company with.

That's an interesting concept, basically judging a book by it's cover. I believe it is more important to be open minded and judge people upon personal experience along with their conduct over time. What about all the waiters and waitresses, office or home cleaning people, the people that are washing dishes or asking if you want fries with that? How many formerly well compensated, well educated people are taking any job that helps pay the bills? I guess they should be pre-judged too. I happen to believe judging people because of their political affiliation is just as ignorant as judging somebody by their skin color or job position.