People do sometimes react really weirdly to clothing, though I hadn't ever thought it about a hoodie. Reminds me a little of this skit from a few years ago where they try to make a stocking-mask a fashion trend:
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From October-May I wear a hooded sweatshirt almost always, I don't wear a coat or if I do I wear a hooded sweatshirt underneath it. The one time I forgot to wear my hooded sweatshirt we went out and you know what happened? Rain! I am god's hackysack.
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I was gonna tweet a pic of my favorite pink hoodie w/stars, but I had forgotten to take the pic before tossing it in the wash. LOL.
No, I wasn't at the Million Hoodie March, though I'm kinda jealous that one of my college buddies got to be there.
No, I wasn't at the Million Hoodie March, though I'm kinda jealous that one of my college buddies got to be there.
Bocefish said:
any and all media worry about ratings so they have to embellish their story and target their demographic may it be liberal or conservative no matter how independent people say they are. If the media just did the straight news people would be bored no one would watch. Not to mention media is owned by corporations, same corporations that are involved politically so of course there's going to be a larger agenda there in how stories are told and what stories are told.
When hasn't the supreme court ruled along political lines- especially since they are appointed by the president? I remember when some religious nutbag on the 700 club was praying and had others pray for one of the oldest judges to retire or die so they could be replaced by a much more conservative judge so they could turn over roe v wade.
Ok I take it my opinion isn't gonna be too popular but eh here goes nothing...
In my opinion the shooting was NOT motivated by race. From the witness accounts and 911 calls here is what I THINK happened. I think Zimmerman saw a person who was looking suspicious and hadn't seen this person before, he called the cops but as usual they don't respond or do anything, followed the teen and confronted him, the teen started acting like hard-ass and hit Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him in self defense.
Now here is what the media doesn't want you to know...
1. The "model student" was currently suspended.
2. The pictures of little trayvon you are seeing are from when he was MUCH younger, they aren't showing you the picture where his pants are down to his knees and hes giving two middle figures to the cam.
3. He was shot in the FRONT, he wasn't walking or running away.
4. Zimmerman had grass stains on the back of his shirt and was bleeding from his face and head.
5. Trayvons own father said that was NOT his son's voice yelling for help on the 911 calls.
6. An expert reviewed the 911 call and Zimmerman did not say coon or any other racial slur.
In my opinion the shooting was NOT motivated by race. From the witness accounts and 911 calls here is what I THINK happened. I think Zimmerman saw a person who was looking suspicious and hadn't seen this person before, he called the cops but as usual they don't respond or do anything, followed the teen and confronted him, the teen started acting like hard-ass and hit Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him in self defense.
Now here is what the media doesn't want you to know...
1. The "model student" was currently suspended.
2. The pictures of little trayvon you are seeing are from when he was MUCH younger, they aren't showing you the picture where his pants are down to his knees and hes giving two middle figures to the cam.
3. He was shot in the FRONT, he wasn't walking or running away.
4. Zimmerman had grass stains on the back of his shirt and was bleeding from his face and head.
5. Trayvons own father said that was NOT his son's voice yelling for help on the 911 calls.
6. An expert reviewed the 911 call and Zimmerman did not say coon or any other racial slur.
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His past doesn't matter. What matters is exactly what was happening at the time. i don't care if all he did was sit around at home and smoke weed. He was attacked by a man much heavier than he, who thought he was some kind of cop. Mr. Zimmerman, if you wanna talk about people's pasts, has a lovely record. If I've learned anything fromw atching daytime TV court room shows about altercations, it's that if you truly do feel threatened, you stay in your car. Dude was trying to be Rambo or something, and now he's a murderer. once again, i don't care about Martin's past, because IT DOESN'T MATTER. Suspended for smoking weed doesn't mean he was tyring to pick a fight. it does, however, explain why he'd want to mix ice tea with Skittles.
His past doesn't matter. What matters is exactly what was happening at the time. i don't care if all he did was sit around at home and smoke weed. He was attacked by a man much heavier than he, who thought he was some kind of cop. Mr. Zimmerman, if you wanna talk about people's pasts, has a lovely record. If I've learned anything fromw atching daytime TV court room shows about altercations, it's that if you truly do feel threatened, you stay in your car. Dude was trying to be Rambo or something, and now he's a murderer. once again, i don't care about Martin's past, because IT DOESN'T MATTER. Suspended for smoking weed doesn't mean he was tyring to pick a fight. it does, however, explain why he'd want to mix ice tea with Skittles.
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Whether or not he was a "model student" is irrelevant though. That phrase doesn't even need to be used. Whether he was a "model student" or the school rebel doesn't change the fact that what happened to him was fucked up.
It's not like he held a mother and baby at gunpoint. He was walking outside with a hoodie on.
I hope people aren't bringing up his suspension just to make themselves feel a little bit better about the tragedy (and no, I'm not referring to you specifically, BustyJules). Whatever the reasoning behind his suspension, that's his parents' business, and that's for THEM to handle the way that they see fit. I think it's a disgrace how - IN DEATH - some people are trying to drag his name through the mud.
Some people swear they don't hear the word 'coon'...some people swear they do. Lots of different opinions.
The child's killer gets to sleep in his own bed tonight while other people have been incarcerated for less.
It's not like he held a mother and baby at gunpoint. He was walking outside with a hoodie on.
I hope people aren't bringing up his suspension just to make themselves feel a little bit better about the tragedy (and no, I'm not referring to you specifically, BustyJules). Whatever the reasoning behind his suspension, that's his parents' business, and that's for THEM to handle the way that they see fit. I think it's a disgrace how - IN DEATH - some people are trying to drag his name through the mud.
Some people swear they don't hear the word 'coon'...some people swear they do. Lots of different opinions.
The child's killer gets to sleep in his own bed tonight while other people have been incarcerated for less.
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Jaana_ said:
Exactly.
A 26-year old wannabe tough guy. Gunning down somebody's child after the police fucking told you to keep your ass in the car. :roll:
He's got people all over the world pissed off now. I wonder how tough he's feeling now.....
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Seems to me like there's an awful lot of people, many of whom should know better, who are trying to make this 17 year old CHILD into some kind of street thug. Stop it before you embarrass yourselves.
Yeah, I mean you Geraldo. YOU should know better. I expect this crap from the Rushes, the O'Riley's and other people with axes to grind.
Yeah, I mean you Geraldo. YOU should know better. I expect this crap from the Rushes, the O'Riley's and other people with axes to grind.
Nordling
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Yesterday, on MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnel interviewed the black guy claiming to be Zimmerman's "friend." By the time the interview was over, I was afraid O'Donnel was going to kick the guy's ass. lol First he said he was his friend, then he said "acquaintance," then "I worked with him." And yet he claims he knows all this "moral" stuff about Zimmerman. If the guy was set up...a shill...then someone or someone's are spending an AWFUL lot of money on smearing this child.The_Brown_Fox said:
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Nordling said:
:lol:
Even Zimmerman's "friend" is disgusted by him.
I wonder how many people watched that and said "Yeah, you see?? You see??? Even the BLACK dude said Zimmerman's a good guy!" :roll:
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Nordling said:
I'm in Finland, so i don't get American cable news anymore..but that sounds funny. I've been following Think Progress. They've done a good job of reporting eevrything.
I just find it absurd that I know so many who are defending this man, and who are trying to turn it into some kind of left versus right battle. I'm a moderate, and I want his ass in jail.
My favorite, though, is the people who start off their Zimmerman defense with "What the media isn't telling you..." Oh, please enlighten me with what the Tin Foil Hat Tribune wrote. :?
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Exactly. I know people will accuse me of jumping to conclusions but tough. lol It just seems awfully CONVENIENT that the ONE "friend" who shows up to speak in behalf of a guy who's suspected of not liking young, black men is himself black... and who, under questioning shows that his actual connection is FAR from "friend." Who the hell paid him?The_Brown_Fox said:
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@Janna Yes, it amazes me how partisan people are. Everyone, no matter their party should be interested in justice for this dead child. I'm listening to Alan Colmes right now...he's an admitted liberal but he takes tons of calls from really nutty right wingers. Tonight is simply exhausting. lol
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I can only imagine. i really don't miss extremism. It doesn't exist here, thank God. Well, it does, but it's extreme left, and they're much quieter than the extreme American right.Nordling said:
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Yeah, European "conservatism" is much milder. I remember way back when I was in high school, we had UK foreign exchange student visit out classroom. He was a Tory but when questioned, he said if he lived in the US, he'd probably be a Democrat. lolJaana_ said:
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And in Finland, people have decent health care and no one is getting all upset about it. lolJaana_ said:
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Nordling said:
heh, nope. I tell Americans I see bitching about taxes to come here, then complain.
And no one here even minds paying them, because we understand that if we didn't, we'd be like America. Hungry, sick, and full of crime.
Being partisan has nothing to do with it, as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to look at it with an open mind and going by the facts alone. It basically comes down to who the the aggressor was that initiated the physical altercation. None of the previous stuff really matters.
As far as the racial profiling goes... Allegedly, there were several recent burglaries committed by young black males. If those are indeed the facts, then seeing an unfamiliar young black male in the area would raise my suspicion too.
Now the investigation into the killing of Trayvon Martin is essentially starting from scratch, with a new special prosecutor and a team of investigators quietly re-interviewing witnesses and examining evidence related to the unarmed teen's shooting death.
As far as the racial profiling goes... Allegedly, there were several recent burglaries committed by young black males. If those are indeed the facts, then seeing an unfamiliar young black male in the area would raise my suspicion too.
Now the investigation into the killing of Trayvon Martin is essentially starting from scratch, with a new special prosecutor and a team of investigators quietly re-interviewing witnesses and examining evidence related to the unarmed teen's shooting death.
I like to keep things simple.
The 911 dispatcher told him to not chase after the suspect.
Zimmerman however, got out of his SUV, took his gun and chased him anyway.
He was not in danger, he was not a cop in a position to chase a suspect.. any suspect.
Everything he did after he picked up the gun and got out of the SUV is entirely his fault. if the kid was selling crack or just a 6 yr old running for his house, it doesn't matter. At that point in time where Zimmerman got out of his warm safe SUV, he became the direct cause of everything that happened after that.
I dont care if the kid was even armed. He was running away. Once we allow anyone to chase anyone they suspect of being up to no good, and giving them a pass on killing that person because running away = guilt, then we just become another 3rd world shithole where the law means nothing.
He got out of his car from a distant position of safety with a gun to play Judge, Jury and executioner.
When he was instructed not to, by law enforcement.
He's guilty. Everything else about the situation and the suspect has nothing to do with it. Who Treyvon was or what he was doing is a meaningless variable. What was the direct cause of the suspect's death?
Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle with a gun, when he had no reason to do so and was instructed by 911 not to.
Simple.
SYG is a good law that is very poorly written and very poorly investigated when claimed.
The 911 dispatcher told him to not chase after the suspect.
Zimmerman however, got out of his SUV, took his gun and chased him anyway.
He was not in danger, he was not a cop in a position to chase a suspect.. any suspect.
Everything he did after he picked up the gun and got out of the SUV is entirely his fault. if the kid was selling crack or just a 6 yr old running for his house, it doesn't matter. At that point in time where Zimmerman got out of his warm safe SUV, he became the direct cause of everything that happened after that.
I dont care if the kid was even armed. He was running away. Once we allow anyone to chase anyone they suspect of being up to no good, and giving them a pass on killing that person because running away = guilt, then we just become another 3rd world shithole where the law means nothing.
He got out of his car from a distant position of safety with a gun to play Judge, Jury and executioner.
When he was instructed not to, by law enforcement.
He's guilty. Everything else about the situation and the suspect has nothing to do with it. Who Treyvon was or what he was doing is a meaningless variable. What was the direct cause of the suspect's death?
Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle with a gun, when he had no reason to do so and was instructed by 911 not to.
Simple.
SYG is a good law that is very poorly written and very poorly investigated when claimed.
Paulie Walnuts said:
911 operators are not law enforcement, most agencies consider the dispatcher position as entry-level, requiring only a high school education and a clean background.
If he was playing judge, jury and executioner as you opine, how did he get his nose broken and head slammed on the concrete sidewalk several times?
George Zimmerman did not call 911 the night of the shooting, he called the police's non emergency number (twice). You can look at copies of the event reports for his calls to 911 and the non emergency number here. The two calls in question are the last two in the linked PDF and the way you tell the difference is the "Call Source" in the second section of each report.
That's not to say he never called 911, because he did that in the past too. I point it out merely as an example of one of those irritating actual facts vs much of the hyperbole being tossed around in the media.
Wikipedia is actually a pretty good source of real, factual information in a case like this because editors want real sources. That's not saying they always get it right either.
I agree with with Bocefish on the point that we should let the investigation proceed and try to understand the things that actually happened, before rushing to judgement on one side or the other.
That's not to say he never called 911, because he did that in the past too. I point it out merely as an example of one of those irritating actual facts vs much of the hyperbole being tossed around in the media.
Wikipedia is actually a pretty good source of real, factual information in a case like this because editors want real sources. That's not saying they always get it right either.
I agree with with Bocefish on the point that we should let the investigation proceed and try to understand the things that actually happened, before rushing to judgement on one side or the other.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
Corroborates parts of Zimmerman's account of the incident.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bl...ng a struggle took place before the shooting.
Corroborates the eye-witness account. I am leaning very heavily toward the 'He-Needed-Killing' view of the story.
Corroborates parts of Zimmerman's account of the incident.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bl...ng a struggle took place before the shooting.
Corroborates the eye-witness account. I am leaning very heavily toward the 'He-Needed-Killing' view of the story.
The place where you tell whether it was a 911 call or a non emergency call is here:Bocefish said:
911 calls say 911, non-emergency calls say TEL.
As I understand it, both types of calls are actually received by the same operators.
Wendy Dorival said:
Like I said, I believe you have a right to defend yourself and where you live. Here's an example of what happened with me and my fiance back a few months ago. There had been numerous car break ins at our apt/townhouse complex, We had suspicious males hanging out across the street all the time and they made it obvious they were selling drugs. We constantly called the police because we got sick of the fights, loudness, cars in and out. Anywho the cops NEVER did shit and the car break ins continued along with the drug activity. We ended up having guns on us and going outside anytime they were outside, just watching and the guns just in case.
Anyhow one night we see a young male with dark clothes, walk towards the garage across the street and next door to the crack dealers. As he gets closer to the garage *surprise* he puts his hoodie up, My fiance gets the .45, I grab the .40...Then we call 911 and say that we've had numerous break ins and there is a young either black or hispanic male with his hoodie up acting suspicious. the operator told us that the police were busy and to just call back if anything happened, less than a minute after we hung up he breaks the window of a car. We step outside with our guns and call back 911 I myself told the operator "We both have guns, If he comes over here we will fucking shoot him".
Thankfully the police came quickly when they heard we had guns and the dude ended up taking off and getting caught later. I could of easily been George Zimmerman and so could have my fiance.
Also don't look at me like I'm cold hearted, I'm really not, I've dealt with my moms murder and the lack of justice in her case. I've went to the media, newspaper and every other outlet after her killer only got 10 years. I didn't see anybody marching for my mom, my friend donovan, my friend derrek, or my friend deangelo. Maybe Black on White crime or Black on Black crime just isn't as important. I don't believe one life is more important than another life and that pisses me off the most about this case.
Anyhow one night we see a young male with dark clothes, walk towards the garage across the street and next door to the crack dealers. As he gets closer to the garage *surprise* he puts his hoodie up, My fiance gets the .45, I grab the .40...Then we call 911 and say that we've had numerous break ins and there is a young either black or hispanic male with his hoodie up acting suspicious. the operator told us that the police were busy and to just call back if anything happened, less than a minute after we hung up he breaks the window of a car. We step outside with our guns and call back 911 I myself told the operator "We both have guns, If he comes over here we will fucking shoot him".
Thankfully the police came quickly when they heard we had guns and the dude ended up taking off and getting caught later. I could of easily been George Zimmerman and so could have my fiance.
Also don't look at me like I'm cold hearted, I'm really not, I've dealt with my moms murder and the lack of justice in her case. I've went to the media, newspaper and every other outlet after her killer only got 10 years. I didn't see anybody marching for my mom, my friend donovan, my friend derrek, or my friend deangelo. Maybe Black on White crime or Black on Black crime just isn't as important. I don't believe one life is more important than another life and that pisses me off the most about this case.
CammiStar said:
Trayvon may have felt threatened by the larger Zimmerman, who was also armed with a gun, and tried to stand his ground. I hear you are allowed to do that in Florida instead of fleeing like most other states.
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